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3:26 AM
@NikiC @bwoebi did you guys consider a public read, protected write modifier for typed properties? We've been discussing the whole "data-transfer-object" pattern a lot at work and it feels like something that should be governed by internals. Something like public final property that can only be written to by the class that defines it?
 
 
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6:52 AM
@rtheunissen I somewhat prefer a c# style clear distinction between getter accessibility and setter accessibility
 
7:21 AM
@rtheunissen @Tiffany if you liked the Slow stuff, you might also like youtube.com/watch?v=fBW-nzKm494. it feels a tiny bit more lighthearted soundwise but it's still quite heavy and gloomy and ambient.
 
8:00 AM
scienter a mental state in which one has knowledge that one’s action, statement, etc., is wrong, deceptive, or illegal: often used as a standard of guilt: The court found that the company had the requisite scienter for securities fraud.
 
8:11 AM
mornin
 
Wes
@Gordon he was in the blues brothers even
 
@Wes hmm, now that you mention it…
 
Cannot sleep...
 
Morngins
 
Morning
 
8:49 AM
 
@rtheunissen As @bwoebi said, I expect that to be supported via accessors in the future
 
9:07 AM
Goat moaning, roomies.
 
o/
 
9:26 AM
\o
 
osu! o/
 
ghk
 
morns
 
any one knows about UDF Functions in php
??
 
@mukund just ask your question, anyone who can answer will answer
 
9:37 AM
ok

I thought this chat is open for all php discussion
 
Yes, and I thought you were trying to ask a more specific question and thats why you were looking for someone who "knows about UDF Functions in php"
 
9:59 AM
I want to call php script from mysql database query
Some where i have read related to it and they said less chance to possible but it possible
like first need to install UDF library and then on MYSQL side need to call php script using EXEC function with concatenation with php.exe and somefile.php
Hope i get some help on it.
 
I would probably rethink what you are doing
Related
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@PeeHaa have you understand the requirement or still needed more specification ?
 
@mukund I understand what you are asking, but I feel like you are asking the wrong question
As decribed in the XY post linked above
 
don't understand what it mean....I'm newbie in stackoverflow
 
10:05 AM
You are asking a question about how to solve the solution you think you need instead of asking how to solve the actual problem you are facing
Sure somebody somewhere at some point actually needed to call some binary from mysql, but your problem is very likely to not be that
Again read the post linked
 
ok
 
10:19 AM
17 mins ago, by mukund
@PeeHaa have you understand the requirement or still needed more specification ?
lol ... I think what he requires there is a down-payment, since you are describing a job assignment and not a question
 
:) I blame the language barrier and not OP being a manager
Hola @pmmaga
 
sometimes it's hard to tell the difference
 
@pmmaga You seen this weird internals rfc Not sure what's being suggested there?
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@tereško It's almost weekend so I am willing to err on the side of good intentions
 
missing minus sign – #77167
 
11:02 AM
@PeeHaa Heyooo! It's really weird to change the format of the dayoftheweek like that.. but it may make sense in some cases
 
Wes
wow, it took me less than 5 seconds to get rebecca rolled
i should stop clicking all the things
 
Hi, what is `baz` in https://pastebin.com/PZ9jSS9b
is it Constant?
 
it's either a method name or a class/interface name
 
@Mostafa it is a parameter type definition.
at least the capital 'Baz' is.
 
@Danack where is PHP Doc for it?
 
11:17 AM
 
 
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12:53 PM
Morning... again.
 
yo
 
1:07 PM
ho
ho
 
1:27 PM
Hi all
Can someone please explain me the meaning of sub-clause in the 'what' parameter of phpinfo() function?
From the PHP manual below is the sentence :
what
The output may be customized by passing one or more of the following constants bitwise values summed together in the optional what parameter. One can also combine the respective constants or bitwise values together with the bitwise or operator.
 
E_NEEDS_CONTEXT
 
Some one please explain to me the meaning of term 'constants bitwise values' and also explain to me how such 'constants bitwise values' are summed together?
With some suitable example
Thank You
 
!!docs bitwise
 
Bitwise operators allow evaluation and manipulation of specific bits within a value.
 
'Constants Bitwise Values' means what?
 
1:38 PM
@Gordon I created it as a playlist on spotify, I'll check it out maybe today
 
Hello, I have below A type of Json Object and I want to convert it into B type of Json Object

A:
[
["Leg", "Crown", "Box SKU", "Pcs Box.", "Boxes/ Shipping Carton"],
["1-1\/4\"", "3d", "14", "13\/64\"", "Smooth", "543", "3C"],
["1-1\/2\"", "4d", "12 1\/2", "1\/4\"", "Smooth", "294", "4C"],
["1-3\/4\"", "5d", "12 1\/2", "1\/4\"", "Smooth", "254", "5C"]
]

B:
{
"SKUData": [{
"Leg": "1/4\"",
"Crown": "1/5\"",
"Box SKU": "GR508145",
"Pcs Box": "5M",
"Boxes/ Shipping Carton": "25"
}, {
"Leg": "1/2\"",
using php
 
@JigneshVagh please put this in gist.github.com or pastebin.com
 
@JigneshVagh this is a problem that can be solved by writing code.......exactly what is your question other than "will someone write some code for me"?
 
I forgot to write it @Danack
 
@Danack Writing code to solve problems only ever creates more problems. :P
 
1:49 PM
@salathe let's go back to the caves
destroy all technology
 
I think today I've finally become a real senior developer Devops: we can fix this problem by writing some more code. Me: We could also fix that by using this simple tool that avoids us needing to write code. Devops: But don't you want to write more code? Me: https://t.co/BAbatf5leB
btw you are channeling systemantics - bussigel.com/systemsforplay/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/… and search for "Prohlef'n" which is multiple levels of irony.
 
2:45 PM
@MadaraUchiha Enjoying Peopleware. Great recommendation. Thank you.
 
❤️
 
Also..........five years. fark.
 
posted on November 16, 2018 by CommitStrip

 
3:20 PM
Hopefully of interest to some people:
To follow up from my @phpsw talk, https://github.com/Danack/example is a project setup to use Docker with two containers setup for PHP. One has Xdebug enabled for debugging, and the other is without xdebug for most development. /cc @noiselabs
 
@Danack thanks
 
@Danack Sorry- did not see it. =/ Enjoying it now though. =)
 
@Allenph I'll keep pinging you when I add stuff to that example project until you tell me you've had enough...^^
 
@Danack with regards to setting up loopback address for Windows, does Docker require it to be a specific format or something?
looks like plist file is specific to OS X
so it'd just need to be a batch file that modifies the hosts file? or is there more to it than that?
mmm, I can probably figure this out, need to think on it
 
@Danack Do you know about xdebug.remote_host=host.docker.internal?
 
3:34 PM
@Danack Never enough.
 
3:57 PM
wat?
 
@PeeHaa dafuq? It's monetized now? I had a very disturbing ad before with some teenage gal bleeding from her eyes. that aint fun. that aint how its supposed to be. and it spoils all the trickery.
 
@Gordon Use an adblocker like you should :)
 
I hate when I am on my phone and I go to a site and all of a sudden I get the "You've won - spin the wheel" spam ad which then will not let you close the ad and if you try to navigate backwards you end up in an infinite loop of NSFW ads.
 
4:14 PM
@PeeHaa I have EFF's privacy badger
ok… not exactly the same as an adblocker
 
pre-rolls are the worst
 
@PeeHaa Heh, yeah that reminded me: I wanted to interoduce you to my LEFT AND RIGHT FISTS IN YOUR FACE a**tard
 
:D
 
hi guys
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier lol
@PeeHaa yeah, tell me about it
 
4:25 PM
what is the difference between php and codeigniter? php is not good idea from MVC pattern?
 
are you a troll?
 
@Doflamingo19 codeigniter is a framework for the PHP language, codeigniter does not do the MVC pattern properly
 
in fact, it does nothing properly
 
gods, that was a harsh blow in an otherwise very fine friday morning
 
@Doflamingo19 One is a retarded concept trying to help developers produce shit code and security holes
The other is a framework
 
4:26 PM
lol
 
@PeeHaa Yeah, I always say that php is a framework
 
:P
 
framework to build webpages in C
 
sorry I mean
why one person must choice codeigniter and not php or viceversa^
?
in a enterprise application I mean
 
oh boy
 
4:28 PM
@Tiffany I am still waiting for @NikiC to rewrite PHP in Rust. I am sure he has that cooking somewhere and just won't tell
 
What language do you normally use @Doflamingo19?
 
i'm new about php
 
@Doflamingo19 PHP is a general purpose programming language. Code Igniter is a crap framework written in the PHP programming language. You should never choose Code Igniter for anything.
 
@Gordon unsafe { PHP }
 
lol
 
4:29 PM
"PHP is a general purpose programming language." *chuckles to self*
 
ship it
 
@bwoebi I knew you'd know more about his secrets ;)
 
@salathe PHP: Programming has purpose
 
@bwoebi ...PHP would have you believe otherwise
 
!!rfcs
 
Thank you, @Jeeves <3
 
@bwoebi more like "PHP: PHP hates Programmers"
 
@pmmaga I remember this project
 
4:35 PM
Also I thought someone was writing a VM to run PHP in WASM, any update on that?
 
> Obviously, we commit to use the state-of-the-art algorithms and structures to ensure excellent performances.
Obviously
 
:D
I actually thought it was still an ongoing effort
 
last commit was two years ago :/
shame
 
it's stable!
 
let's ship it to production
git push -f origin php-src
 
4:38 PM
What could possibly, remotely go wrong?
 
It's friday after all.. There won't be a better time than now
 
that ^ and I am two hours late to go home… so we can rush it
 
If I need to get an aggregate by an ID that is related to an aggregate like 3 or 4 relational tables and several databases away, is it still appropriate to put that query on the mapper or is that something that fits in a service better?
Hopefully that made sense.
 
s/so we can rush it/so we can rust it/
 
4:44 PM
@Gordon Call in all the juniors they need to take notes of this, these are some advance level programming techniques being discussed :P
 
@jjok no. And although that might work, I'll probably stay with the loopback for now as i) that works for me ii) doesn't tie the containers to docker.
@Gordon it certainly makes you want to set fire to your code properly.
 
5:20 PM
@Tiffany Thanks for introducing me to thedailywtf.com, I have been reading random articles from it for past few days
 
It's one of those things. If you're afraid to deploy, you should fix the reasons you're afraid, not just make a rule against it. But then again, that doesn't mean that rule is bad by definition
 
@ircmaxell usually fixing the reasons why one is afraid of deploying takes the entirety of a Friday
 
that should be done either way, no?
 
5:45 PM
@ircmaxell But if the reasons you're afraid to deploy are that there is a chance that something unforeseen could happen with any release that can't really be fixed.
Really any release is scary because despite your best efforts and knowledge stuff does go wrong. That people don't want to do it on a Friday is just a symptom of that and the fact they don't want to come in on Saturday.
Also you might be interested. Someone released a shield for the Arduino that has rope core memory on it.
 
5:59 PM
@ircmaxell It's not really about being afraid, but shit happens. And if I can do things that lower the chance of shit happening during my weekend, I think it's worth it. One of those things may be not deploying on friday afternoon, other may be better CD processes :D
 
6:16 PM
@ircmaxell you make rules for things as they are and not as they ought to be :P
 
6:31 PM
Evening
 
@Allenph but you can chip away at each one of those "unforseen" as you learn, and make the next deploy safer
not that you'll ever make it "safe", but if each is "safer"
 
Indeed.
 
@pmmaga precisely. I'm not against "do not deploy on friday" rules, I'm against that being the only step you take to protect your deploys
 
@tereško Any insight to this or should I wait for the Pizza Panda?
Would not be a problem if I made the DB but that's not the world I live in.
 
@Allenph not sure I completely understood
first question - is it mysql?
 
6:42 PM
It's SQLite. It's some DBs for an embedded application that I'm exposing on the web.
 
ok ... one solution scrapped
 
They're designed with the embedded application in mind, not the designers idea of what should be displayed.
So I have one entity that relates to another one through a long string of other entities across multiple tables and databases.
 
the query's should still be in the mapper, but you will need an ability to work with multiple mapper, where each of those mappers has a connection for a different database
and that entire juggling of mappers you probably will want to abstract behind a repository class, which then you use from service layer
at least that's how I would approach it
 
Bah. I was hoping to avoid such things, but you're probably right.
That would end up being multiple queries across multiple mappers bringing in data that is not used on several occasions...just the price of doing business?
Theoretically I think I could do it with one very complicated join and multiple DB connections, but that's not really much better.
 
emm ... you can use the repository's interface o define, what parts are actually getting loaded
from the service's point of view, the repo is just a black box that you pull objects out of
 
6:46 PM
@tereško What do you mean by this?
@tereško Right.
 
$account = $repo->getAccount($id);
$account = $repo->getAccountWithPopulatedGroups($id);
 
I think I understand what you're saying but I think you're misunderstanding what I'm asking. Let me come up with an example.
 
lol, MS fixed that page
 
I've started trying out a graph with graphql-php, and it makes for strange interface with general service/mappers/entities paradigm. Pretty cool however.
 
Release has many Topic has many Subtopic.

Topic has one ChangeItem.

ChangeItem is in a different DB. I want `$release->getByChangeItemId($id)`.
 
6:51 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier it brakes one of the first rules of making an API: it is not a DB-by-another-name
 
come again?
 
I don't understand why instead of GraphQL you wouldn't just query a NoSQL DB directly. Seems like the same thing to me.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier graphql is just a public database
@Allenph why would the Release know to load itself?
 
Sorry. Meant $releaseSQLiteMapper or repo or whatever.
This app has thus far not warranted the complexity of repos, so.
 
so, you probably need to start by re-reading what a repository (or WHATEVER) is
 
6:55 PM
A mapper maps an entity to some persistence source. A repo makes sure you don't lose track of state.
 
no
 
> A Data Mapper is a Data Access Layer that performs bidirectional transfer of data between a persistent data store (often a relational database) and an in-memory data representation (the domain layer).
 
Where does it talk about repositories in that quote?
 
Well, that's what a data mapper is.Which is what I said.
 
4 mins ago, by tereško
so, you probably need to start by re-reading what a repository (or WHATEVER) is
please pay attention
I am not talking about data mappers
 
6:59 PM
It's like a cache. The purpose of such cache is to prevent rereading entities you have already mutated in memory.
 
that is called "identity map", which is an optional component inside a repository
 
If I understand correctly, you're saying it might also be used to hide the complexity of traversing using plain data mappers by using said data mappers internally to give me that crazy traversal logic I'm talking about.
 
no, you did not
and now my beer has cooled enough
you should better wait for panda
 
Wait are you mad that I said "your crazy traversal logic"? Because that was a brain/fingers mismatch.
 
we are obviously not use the same terms, which is why Wes might be able to help you
 
7:05 PM
I concede that may not be what a repository is. That's an identity map. So what is a repository and how would it solve this problem? I'll go read first if you know a good definition.
 
it was a long day, it is 21:00 and I only got back from work 30 minutes ago
oh, and I just learned that my Sunday will be ruined again
 
All right. Enjoy your beer. Thanks for the help.
 
@Allenph Because that's really not what graphql is trying to solve
 
so, no, I have no patience today
 
@tereško why? you'll to work?
 
7:07 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier What is it trying to solve? My understanding is that it's an interface that acts more like a queryable set of data (like a DB) so that you only get the info you need.
 
that, and aggregating multiple sources of data, that can be databases but really not limited to
 
Is that any different than like a join?
 
Because it may span multiple persistence sources?
 
.. you should really try one and compare to sql :)
 
7:10 PM
Probably. But it's so much easier to badger you about it. :D
 
@Tiffany lol, nice
 
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    name
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ugh that's long
 
you also should try HHVM and JWT and Kubernates and ... hmm ,,, I am forgetting now
 
Me @tereško?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier that is "database over http", @FélixGagnon-Grenier
@Allenph no, felix
 
7:13 PM
@tereško I love it. instead of 15+ rest api calls, you have one and let backend resolve the thins
 
Yeah. I agree with Teresko. Also, offhand it seems like it would be really really difficult to test any implementation.
 
... also it doesn't need to be public. because the standard doesn't define authentification or things, doesn't mean it can't be protected behind authentication
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier GraphQL is the ActiveRecord of Web APIs
 
^ Was about to make that comparison but thought I'd get roasted.
 
If you say so... I don't know ActiveRecord, but can definitely say that classic rest apis feel really outdated when you have to build data structures from the frontend
 
7:16 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier This makes sense. If GraphQL is meant to be like a DB over HTTP it could work because then you could just do your abstractions on the front end instead of the backend AND the frontend.
 
... it's not like rest api is not already db over http. I don't understand all the hate towards graphql. Oh I don't mean you two, just the general twitter bashing and shitting. People whine, but I don't understand what's the matter. It's not like it harms stuff...
having such a way to query data simplifies everything in my frontend dev life while improving actual performance by orders of magnitude
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier if you REST API is a "database over http", then it has been made wrong
 
which is what I am tempted to say about the claim that graphql is database over http ;)
 
REST apis provide defined and separated entities where GraphQL doesn't.
 
@Allenph wat?
you can get separated entities if you like
 
7:25 PM
But you're not forced too. You can just grab whatever.
 
it's the when you want them to be actually linked that is way more efficient with graphql
 
It's like saying "why do we need domain objects at all when can just write a complicated SQL query?"
 
I have no idea what you mean, or what you are replying to
@tereško oh right, I think I get it, in the sens that you are actually interacting with entities and not data structure
 
^ That.
 
^^ that doesn't explain your sentence
"why do we need domain objects at all when can just write a complicated SQL query?" <- who asks that, about what?
 
7:30 PM
It was an analogy I thought might make sense. SQL queries are to GraphQL as data mappers with domain objects are to REST.
 
actually... I'm reusing rest api's services to expose a graphql. you really need to dissociate the equivalence graphql <=> sql, it's really not there
 
Regardless what I was trying to express has been expressed more eloquently by Teresko.
 
the graph endpoint can be seen like a rest api on steroids, that aggregates, or not, and filters, the data you will actually use
 
That seems like exactly what a SQL query does to me, but I digress.
Or any DB query.
 
yes. the difference being that, when having to maintain a sufficiently complexe system, you don't have time to write a single query for all 13k different things people need
 
7:33 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier my issue with GraphQL is that, when fully implemented, that API will cause you to create an SQL-like logic on top of your domain entities for filtering, amending and rendering the responses
 
^
 
you mean the arguments? like { pooler(id: 4) { name } } ?
 
that too
 
what's the problem with that? that or /pooler/4 is comparable
except that with /pooler/4 you will get everything else you don't need
 
I am not talking about the "put on slides" examples, but about real-world worst case scenarios
 
7:37 PM
heh ;) well, I'll be able to tell you more about that in a few months, I'll be implementing a graphql endpoint on one of our platforms
 
I reserve the right to tell you "I told you so"
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier also, take care to separate the code in the clients (js) for talking to the API (basically your DAL), so that, if this all fails, you can painlessly change the API standard
and start out the backend code with proper-and-separated "view" classes - you will need them
 
technically, the committee is named unicode. the spec and character set is named "unicode's monster"
also, there needs to be "Imperium of Man" symbol
 
7:54 PM
@tereško noted
 
evenin
 
@StatikStasis reminds me:
technically, the committee is named unicode. the spec and character set is named "unicode's monster"
 
8:41 PM
Howdy! Anyone know of a way to generate a base-line suppression file for valgrind?
 
posted on November 16, 2018 by HarmonyIO

 
9:12 PM
I'm trying to figure out why a user would get a new session ID once they were migrated to a new node. We use memcache and the two nodes share the same memcache resource but end up generating their own session IDs
 
are you not using memcache as backend in session handler?
 
@ter
@tereško we are using it as the session handler.
We do a 3 way cluster roll. Candidate, production, rollback. When the candidate cluster gets promoted to a production cluster some of the users end up logged into other accounts because the PHP session ID changes.
 
9:27 PM
@Ishmael how is that possible? What do your session ids look like?
 
@Danack auto generated: mvh8eqpppvg5o5134q9rn3q4p5
 
@Ishmael that looks quite random - so how the heck are people getting other people's sessions?
Are you using a really shitty random number generator?
losing sessions would be one thing - but to be getting other peoples sessions means something weird and bad is happening.
 
@Danack could it be at an ini level, or is code level more likely?
 
sounds like someone not using random values for sessions or some other dumb error.
 
9:43 PM
@Danack It's whatever you get from calling session_start. We're not doing anything extra. PHP version 5.6 btw
@Tiffany the ini on where to store sessions is done at the code level using ini_ calls.
 
@Ishmael I think you need to really identify what is happening, i.e. actually why "users end up logged into other accounts" is happening. From what you've described it should be impossible.
aka there's probably not enough info currently to figure out what the real problem is, from what you've described, so more info needs to be acquired from debugging.
international.
 
@Danack Oh it's not impossible. I know why it happens because the code that handles the user authentication allows for it. As long as your session has a user object id stored you would be considered logged in and it would pull up your user data to load your interface.
Yet now you have me thinking. That type of practice is probably not the best solution. This code base that I inherited has a bunch of bad solutions.
 
I suppose I'm misreading, nevermind.
 
@Ishmael but if the session ids are randomly generated, then how would you a user presenting a random session id, be likely to find another users session?
 
it doesn't have to be strictly through ini_ calls in the code
 
9:55 PM
@Danack Good point. I think it's because the session id you have for the other cluster matches another one that is sitting in memcache
Maybe the keys are set to never expire... but why would there be so many hash hits?
 
yes. exactly. It should be one in never.
 
One in improbable not never
 
Less chance than the lottery ticket I'm about to check is a winner.
 
@Danack what if it is two users using the same computer?
 
one would have to log out or use a different browser, if the session is set to never expire
 
9:58 PM
7 mins ago, by Danack
@Ishmael I think you need to really identify what is happening, i.e. actually why "users end up logged into other accounts" is happening. From what you've described it should be impossible.
 
I already explained how users can get into another's account. All their session has to provide is the same user object to pull down their login. (I just created a feature that exploits this)
The auth system checks to see if the session variable is null for "oUser"
If it's not null then it'll try to retrieve that user's permissions.
From what I learned start_session() will either create or resume. So my hunch is that it is resuming a session that happens to exist.
Just did a stats items. the count is 58,326,946
 
"All their session has to provide is the same user object to pull down their login." - what?
 
I remember having an issue where I thought it was sessions getting mixed, but turned out to be a browser caching issue - users were using the same computer and I believe the browser was not closed in between each user. In this situation, closing the browser was the way to kill the session. (filling out form)
 
Don't you mean, the session id is used to retrieve their session data, which contains the user data?
 
I thought session_start(); was mostly automated, and best left alone if really you use it.
 
10:04 PM
:44590236 four spaces in front of multi-line code. If you use multiple lines, chat can't handle markdown.
 
@Tiffany thanks
if(isset($_SESSION['oUser']))
     //load module
    //pull down preferences
else {
     //redirect to login
}
Module being a combination of a folder and php file which generates the page.
And session_start() is called way before you get to the User object in session check
 
is session_id() used with a parameter somewhere?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier there is a check against it but only if it is exist.
 
I'm not sure what that means
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier There's nothing that sets session_id. It's just being checked i.e.

`if (!session_id()) {`
 
10:15 PM
@Ishmael if you make it single line and use `` marks, it will work. e.g. `code` (I'm escaping the tick marks)
 
I'll figure it out lol
 
you'd have to remove the carriage returns :P
 
Oh no carriage returns bummer
 
there you go :)
 
!!> var_dump(!'');
 
press ctrl+k to make your message be indented by 4 spaces which also triggers the monospace.
 
@Danack problem is it's all or nothing. Either entire message is preformatted, or none of it is.
 
10:58 PM
So I just did a test to see if I can force myself into another user's session. What happens is if I override the session ID on my browser using another user's session id I will be prompted to login. If I login with my credentials I am able to login without any issues. However, the user whose session id I used is now able to access my account without being prompted for a login.
So yeah... having that user object in the session Id being accessible via session data is probably not the best idea.
 
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