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1:05 AM
@rlemon ahahahahaha
 
1:25 AM
-19 days
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morning
 
\o
 
few minutes ago I tried to deploy a small app with heroku
it's pretty sweet I must say
 
i'll try harakiri soon instead :B
@Gordon i feel like i can't keep up
 
harakiri sounds dangerous
mom get the cam
 
1:36 AM
for everything i learn, there are 100 new things becoming popular
 
do like me
give up web development
 
true
 
the older you get the harder it will be to keep up
 
i don't think i am unable to learn new things, not yet
but i surely oppose more and more to them
the older i get, i mean
 
these days I am working in c# with unity and it feels great, I feel like I can focus all my effort into learning only one thing. I don't have to care about anything else.
these days my biggest concern is which coffee colored capsule I will start the day with
no server / DB migration, upgrade of PHP version, no dealing with obsolete and / or outdated technologies
no worries about should I go all in with javascript or not
btw @WesStark did you compile VS ? :p
 
1:48 AM
i did
it's a hell of a mess. perhaps VS15 will improve the situation
 
2:08 AM
it's raining hard again
 
2:19 AM
libsodium does not appear to be present – #74826
 
2:44 AM
Documentation incorrect regarding getopt options – #74827
 
 
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3:46 AM
Hey guys. anyone compiled php from scratch yet ?
 
3:59 AM
A lot of peeps in this room did.
What platform?
 
4:56 AM
morning
 
hodor
winter is coming
 
monsoon started here
 
where are you from @Linus ?
oh nvm I see
 
:)
 
@Linus winter comes regardless of the season
 
5:07 AM
is there any time fixed for any season?
 
this will be the longest winter in a thousand years, even if it's in summer
am i confusing you linus
 
?? nah :P
 
posted on June 29, 2017 by trowski

- Removed `int` type-declaration on code parameter in constructor of `PanicError`, `TaskException`, and `TaskError` because PDO can return a string (#19).

 
morning room
o/
@WesStark Can't wait for this winter!
 
5:27 AM
@WesStark is this last season of GOT?
 
posted on June 29, 2017 by trowski

- Implemented security measures to better prevent DNS cache poisoning (DNS spoofing) attacks on vulnerable networks: - Transaction IDs are randomized. - Query question sections are matched to response answer sections. - UDP sockets are not r...

 
@WesStark wait til you got kids
@Akshay yes
 
5:43 AM
Ahh :'(
 
no it's not. it's the penultimate
 
So we are not going to know who the f*** is going to rule over seven kingdoms in this season :O
 
it doesn't matter whose skeleton sits on the iron throne
 
IMO That matters! :p
BTW Their journey is way far interesting then destination!
 
morning, bitches
 
morning @JoeWatkins
 
o/
 
6:33 AM
o/
 
Morning guys..... :)
 
hey joe \o
 
I want to learn GIT + TDD + BDD + search engins(Elastic search etc. ) + Agile development + Complete lifecycle of a project. I mean all the basics from start to end.
Do you guys have any reference ??
 
how about starting with one instead of all of them?
 
6:44 AM
Yeah but i am all confused where to start from... :)
 
well, let's take the easy ones on the list
Complete lifecycle of a project: build a proof of concept, put into production although you clearly told management it's just a proof of concept, lots of firefighting, maintaining the legacy
Agile development: people cooperating to deliver working software. forget about all the other things they wanna tell you about agile. it boils down to this.
 
yo yo yo
@Gordon well ... you're describing teamwork, agile has pinned on to it a bunch of useless stuff
 
the other things are more complicated. I am afraid you will have to pick one and read and practise.
 
@JoeWatkins not sure who you were greeting :-P
 
BDD is TDD + DDD
 
6:48 AM
everyone, anyone ... yo bob
 
@Gordon over my head :D :D
 
@JoeWatkins also, something, something, greenlet :-P
 
yes yes, I haven't had much time for code lately ... will make some soon ...
@LeviMorrison ta
 
bob
booooooob
 
@JoeWatkins the main difference between teamwork and agile to me is that teamwork is something you do and agile is something to align your actions to, a commitment or mindset. its not just teamwork but wanting to do teamwork and deliver things.
 
6:53 AM
boooooooooooooooob
 
fluff
 
do i need to be slim to do agile development? i am fat
 
@WesStark yes, involves interpretive dance ...
 
i can do the moonwalk
 
:P
 
6:54 AM
would that be enough?
:B
 
I guess it depends what you are trying to say by doing the moonwalk ...
 
@WesStark if it helps deliver software
 
:B
 
@WesStark pssscht :-P
 
So guys from where i should start ??
 
@Gordon you will need some kind of dancing elephant flashcard ...
 
hehe
 
@JoeWatkins that's easy as long as @WesStark doesnt have to draw it
 
@JoeWatkins Where's its tail?
 
@MadaraUchiha the thing with tassels is not a penis ...
 
7:04 AM
@JoeWatkins Perhaps, but I got you to think about it.
My victory.
 
oh boy… I just googled for "dancing squid" and the first result was a very disturbing video that wants me to go vegan… thanks @WesStark… it's your fault!
 
@MadaraUchiha I enjoyed thinking about it ... stale mate ...
who wouldn't want tassels ...
I got you to think about yours with tassels ... how quickly the tables have turned ...
 
mornin all
 
o/
 
7:09 AM
omg, what the fuck am I seeing @Gordon
what is happening here, is it alive ?
 
Y U GOOGLE THAT WHEN I TELL YOU ITS DISTURBING????
and I might want to add: revolting
according to the comments its not alive but either had its brain cut out or parts of the nervous system destroyed, which doesnt mean its not alive but rather lobotomized. in any case: I find it horrifying and disgusting.
 
agree
the tentacles have their own semi-independent nervous system
 
I dont understand why people do this
 
me neither, nasty thing to do ... is it supposed to be some sort of meal, or just a grotesque display ?
 
seems to be sort of meal
 
7:14 AM
if I had to write a list of a million things that the video makes me feel, hungry would not be present on the list ...
 
agree
 
I just watched video, yeah pretty perverse entertainment
 
I am not sure I'll ever be able to eat squid again
this cannot be unseen
 
@WesStark And spring will be a dream forever. A legend reported through generations...
 
7:18 AM
@WesStark :D
 
@WesStark it looks like duck :P
 
brilliant wes
 
@WesStark shut up and take my star
 
:B
it didn't come out right
 
i will print it and put it in on my door..
 
7:22 AM
The squid reminds me of an experiment in the 1800's in london where en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Aldini applied electricity to the body of an executed criminal, to make his nervous system convulse. it apparently inspired the novel "frankenstein"
 
elephants are hard to draw
 
everything is hard to draw
 
@Linus or a rabbit?
 
@the_velour_fog that's my favorite novel
 
@WesStark i will go with duck :D
 
7:24 AM
@gordon Ive never read it, just remember the movie "young frankenstein" with Gene Wilder and Madeline Kahn?
 
@the_velour_fog never heard of it. there is one movie with robert de niro and kenneth branagh though which I can recommend. but the book is really worthwhile.
 
You haven't heard of it? Its a mel brooks movie (I think) so its a cheesy kind of humor not every one would be into. Yeah I might check out the book - does it have the part where the scientist is like "ah ah ah - ITS ALIVE!!!" hehe
 
i dont think so
there is lots of hidden and not so hidden references to paradise lost and the prometheus myth in it though
 
morning
 
@Gordon what is "paradise lost" and prometheus?
in order to save costs on VPS's Ive started compiling my php-fpm /cli on a high-ish RAM build server, then packaging into .deb package - then deploying that package onto cheap VPS's. its saves me a few bucks a month, but now I need to compile in MySQL driver and it adds a whole extra step
 
7:34 AM
Paradise Lost is an epic poem in blank verse by the 17th-century English poet John Milton (1608–1674). The first version, published in 1667, consisted of ten books with over ten thousand lines of verse. A second edition followed in 1674, arranged into twelve books (in the manner of Virgil's Aeneid) with minor revisions throughout and a note on the versification. It is considered by critics to be Milton's major work, and it helped solidify his reputation as one of the greatest English poets of his time. The poem concerns the biblical story of the Fall of Man: the temptation of Adam and Eve by the...
Prometheus ( prə-MEE-thee-əs; Greek: Προμηθεύς [promɛːtʰeús], meaning "forethought") is a Titan in Greek mythology, best known as the deity in Greek mythology who was the creator of humanity and its greatest benefactor, who stole fire from Mount Olympus and gave it to humankind. Ancient myths and legends relate at least four versions of the narratives describing Prometheus, his exploits with Zeus, and his eternal punishment as also inflicted by Zeus. There is a single somewhat comprehensive version of the birth of Prometheus and several variant versions of his subjection to eternal suffering at...
 
@LeviMorrison :-S
will see if I can find anything meaningful in the logs but I am assuming this is something to do with the host container rather than anything we've done/not done
moin
 
Glad you can laugh about php being mocked because I sometimes find it a bit sad when it is ):
Mornin y'all
 
@Gordon paradise lost looks like it was written in that transitional period between middle ages english and modern english - is it a hard read?
 
@the_velour_fog very
 
There are modernised versions available
My English teacher had a one that he liked, I can see if I can find it if you like although not now, will have to dig out my school notes from ~20 years ago...
 
7:41 AM
its more an object of study than something you'd just read for the fun of it.
even with a modernized version you likely would miss half or more of the references
I think @tereško tried to read it. don't know how far he got with it
 
Of the two versions, the second version is actually readable - just . I can t make any sense of the first version en.wikisource.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost_(1667)
 
wat wat?
 
8:01 AM
Whoa what
!!voting doxygen
 
• Document with Doxygen? - Yes (11: 40.7%), No (16: 59.3%) (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/doxygen#doodle__form__document_with_doxygen)
‌ ◦ Yes: ashnazg, bukka, galvao, guilhermeblanco, hywan, kriscraig, mike, omars, pmjones, rquadling, stas
‌ ◦ No: ab, ajf, bwoebi, danack, derick, dm, dmitry, kalle, krakjoe, leigh, pollita, rasmus, remi, santiagolizardo, tpunt, zeev
 
Why the heavy no votes?
I would have thought docs for internals would be an amazing thing
 
Anonymous
@WesStark italian or not, you're talented
 
Anonymous
moin
 
so racist
 
8:03 AM
^ Aye also noted this. Moin :D
 
Anonymous
Jun 20 at 10:42, by Wes
especially that lil mofo british bieber
 
Anonymous
let us not forget
 
@the_velour_fog yes, it's quite hard to get used to it
 
Hahah
 
mornis o/
 
8:04 AM
ahahha
 
/cc @Danack @Leigh ^ @ Doxygen
Got a few minutes spare to say why it would be a bad thing?
 
i don't care about doxygen but some comments in core would really be helpful...
 
Im in the process of trying to compile PHP on my Ubuntu 16.04 laptop, package it into a .deb with checkinstall, copy onto a server and dpkg --install self-compiled-php - on the server - has anyone else done this - its it a risky/dumb thing to do?
 
heh ... compiling anything on ubuntu is a loosing preposition, because it has not been made with that purpose in mind :D
 
8:11 AM
if you don't have a farm of servers,it's probably a waste of time ...
if we are talking about server grade hardware, 16+ cores, then they will compile php in about one minute from scratch ...
if you are very restrictive with extensions and have fast disks (which you should, because server), you can get it down to 40 seconds (based on 16 cores at ~2.6ghz) ...
 
Anonymous
Ok. I've decided to stop learning Symfony and I have switched to Laravel.
 
Anonymous
Life is too short
 
@Trowski What did you do? :P i.imgur.com/rF3ZsBQ.png
 
@JoeWatkins its not a powerful server, its got a $5/month 512MB instance - im doing a staging test on. Ive spent a day configurin it - but I can't compile on that machine - not enought RAM.
 
then probably worth it
but why not use a remi or the other popular deb repo ?
 
8:16 AM
@WesStark you had a library that did allow executing anything, even when it fatals?
 
@Ocramius wut?
 
well I'll try it - and hopefully prove @tereško wrong - that ubuntu's can be compiled on :)
 
@the_velour_fog Just create a swap on the disk.
 
@WesStark something that was retrying execution anyway?
like... set error handler magic
 
@kelunik oh yeah , that might do it?
 
8:17 AM
@the_velour_fog FYI, it's generally not worth proving @tereško wrong
 
nope, i mean, i've played with it, so could be. what are you looking for exactly?
 
@the_velour_fog I can compile things just fine on my DO instance with 512MB RAM. Have a 4GB swap file.
 
@JoeWatkins I'm not familiar with a remi ? a quick google seems to show its for RPM's? my 2 core laptop can compile PHP in about 5 minutes. And on a one core digital VPS - with 1 GB real ram - about 12m inutes for me
 
it is, is alien still a thing ?
there's a popular deb one too, but the name escapes me
 
I dont know - I think the "apt" equivalent is "yum"
but not sure what the "dpkg" equivalent is
 
8:39 AM
mornings
 
Srsly @WesStark?
 
:B
 
@WesStark damn, it was some fun magic
 
Hi, I got a short question: What would you do if you need to have special calculation functions per user on a web app. These functions are handcrafted and can vastly differ from each other. And I would also like if the configuration could be stored in a sql-database but I'm open for ideas how to solve this problem :/
 
@Ocramius explain :B
 
8:46 AM
It was just a repo with a test case, I think PHPT
it was passing all tests even if you used invalid PHP syntax
@WesStark if you link me your github, I can probably find it
 
@SkryptX There's absolutely nothing common between these calculation functions?
Not even the formula?
 
@Ocramius i don't think i have what you think i have :B
there is no set_error_handler :B
 
dang
 
explain :B
 
2 mins ago, by Ocramius
it was passing all tests even if you used invalid PHP syntax
 
8:48 AM
@Jimbo It can but could really be something completely different. What is static are the input variables and output variables in the sense that these are calculation functions that fit into a bigger system and do the effective calculations of the matter but every user has a different matter and different formulas.
 
May help others to know what the calculations are for
 
@Ocramius but what are you doing exactly? you can probably trick phpunit like that... but i don't know what you want to achieve :B
 
@SkryptX who is creating those formulas? developer? admin? user?
 
@Sean We need more comments. Having to format comments in a particular syntax makes it harder to write comments, which means fewer comments would be written. Additionally, I put almost zero value on having code comments move to a website, separate from the code - which is the only real benefit of using Doxygen.
Anyone actually doing some programming in core or an extension, are much better served using lxr.
 
@Sean I don't like documentation
Visual debt
lets go with that
 
8:58 AM
@SkryptX I use github.com/rdlowrey/auryn so I'd probably use a delegate function that know how to create those custom calculators along the lines of:
interface CustomCalculator {}

function createCustomCalculator(User $user) {
    $rules = $user->getCalculatorRules();
    return CustomCalculator::fromRules($rules);
}

$injector->delegate('CustomCalculator', 'createCustomCalculator');
 
In computer programming, the strategy pattern (also known as the policy pattern) is a behavioural software design pattern that enables an algorithm's behavior to be selected at runtime. The strategy pattern defines a family of algorithms, encapsulates each algorithm, and makes the algorithms interchangeable within that family. Strategy lets the algorithm vary independently from clients that use it. Strategy is one of the patterns included in the influential book Design Patterns by Gamma et al. that popularized the concept of using patterns to describe software design. For instance, a class that...
 

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