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12:00 AM
but it's amazing how a single report started a series of other news sites repeating the same :-D
 
$app = new \Slim\App;
$app->get('/', function (Request $req, Response $res): Response {
    $res->getBody()->write("Hello, world!");
    return $res->withHeader('Content-Type', 'text/plain');

});
$app->run();
@bwoebi yeah
I mention it on Hacker News again in a comment, and a day later it's on The Next Web...
 
@Andrea bah, the Aerys API is nicer :-D
 
@bwoebi probably :(
why should I even bother using Request and Response, I can just use echo...
 
$res->setHeader("Content-Type", "text/plain");
$res->send("Hello, world!");
(I'm not so much a fan of immutability for a response object)
 
12:25 AM
screw it I won't use Slim
I don't like the API
 
(She's learning …)
 
:p
I'll use NikiC's FastRoute directly and write my own JSON API microframework
 
Eih, that's not what I wanted to hear xD
 
well, I can map it onto Aerys later, if you want ^^
 
@Andrea I still haven't gotten the issue of doing it directly that way
So, now I'm completely disappointed and going to strike! [Good night!]
 
12:37 AM
@bwoebi aerys is a project written primarily by two people, one of which seems to have dropped out and the other doesn't use it for anything... your sales pitch is gonna have to be better than "Well, why not?"
 
yikes
 
@PaulCrovella s/dropped out/is too busy with work/
@PaulCrovella And yep, that's the problem… I'd absolutely not mind if I had more contributors and users … The issue is to get the stone rolling IMO
 
so what's the compelling reason to use it?
 
@PaulCrovella Main points is combined websocket and perf
everything else is also possible in the one or other way with nginx/php-fpm and some microframework
I'm certain I'm underselling Aerys, but I have no idea and experience how to put it right
 
the websocket thing you might get traction with; the performance thing not so much without significant, relevant benchmarks
 
12:48 AM
@PaulCrovella relevant yeah … but how? ;-) Everything I've gotten until now is synthetic
@PaulCrovella Also, maybe there's other things (the flexible framework), but every other microframework can give it to you too.
@PaulCrovella Note that perf includes also persistency (no startup/teardown necessary for a ton of objects)
you can easily cache on a per-worker basis
(really off to bed, feel free to answer @PaulCrovella I'll reply tomorrow then)
 
I'll read more on what is out there about aerys and think on it. I'd love a reason to use it, but I'd need a way to sell it too.
 
1:08 AM
Another adventure in naming things:
> skipIfExpectedProductProduced
which means "If an object of this type has already been created, skip running this callable"
 
why did I write my own framework
 
GloryOfSatan.jpg
 
$app = new App;
$app->get('/', function (array $pieces): Response {
    return (new Response)
        ->containing(["hello, world"]);
});
$app->run();
this isn't the worst API ever right
I can't believe new Foo->bar() doesn't work :(
 
1:26 AM
I think the real question is, does anyone in here not have their own framework?
10
 
@Danack I have at least three
the one I wrote which didn't work due to lack of uniform variable syntax, yolophp, and this
of those, obviously YOLO is the best
 
2:27 AM
Good morning
 
Wes
2:46 AM
mornings
 
3:11 AM
does factory pattern always return new object regardless each call ??
 
Not always. It is acceptable for factories to cache instances of objects, and return the same instance where appropriate.
 
thanks for reply, I have actually just saw a post use the method as what you said, it doesn't quite how I imagine it but its workable
 
Wes
not sure if i agree with that. could be fine ofc but i would try to not give too many tasks to factories
what are you writing @Andrew?
you could say that a data mapper is a factory, but it's not... afaik, strictly speaking a factory must contain only the object creation part. what you are writing is likely a data mapper (difference is feeble, though)
makes sense?
 
3:33 AM
Java uses it for caching Integers - tech.puredanger.com/2007/02/01/valueof
 
if it bothers you you can decorate the factory instead, but meh
 
@Wes I am trying to notify the view from model that a change was needed, so I was looking into observer/mediator and occasionally saw this factory usage
 
Wes
@PaulCrovella ...or inject it, so it's not tightly coupled :P
@Danack i'm just going to say that it's surprising that java doesn't optimize that automatically
actually, it's not surprising at all :B
 
4:41 AM
mornin
@PeeHaa lol
 
morning
 
5:10 AM
archive.is/rMQnI .. seriously! Are those people fucking insane?!
> News websites are not responsible for “insulting and rude” comments by readers, the European Court of Human Rights ruled on Tuesday, after a Hungarian website was sued for messages on its forum.
 
404 - أNot found
 
original link: theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/02/… (archive.is might be blocked by your country)
 
However I think that's my internet fault
good ^^
@tereško it is
 
but seriously, why did someone even try to make "rude comments" illegal?
 
Dunno ..
 
5:16 AM
@Shafizadeh do news sites in Iran have to take legal responsibility about anonymous user comments? Because that's what Hungary tried to do.
@Ekin so .. how's your gaming?
 
@tereško This case is really important in Iran ... That's why the most news website in Iran doesn't have "comment tool" in the website .. Usually there is voting-system for each news
 
well, ECHR has only the authority in Europian Union
 
I have a friend .. He has a website (his website isn't about news), last year a crazy user wrote some rude comment under one of posts in the his website .. Then his website got filter
However before filtering him, sent him a email, but my friend didn't pay attention to that email
I want to say, Web-Owners always hurts hurt by those rude users
 
"hurt" (verbs dont have a plural-form, the "s" is added only when using it in 3rd person, like "he hurts", "she reads")
 
tnx ^
"verbs dont have a plural-form" Wrong !! Take a look at this: "It makes me happy"
make is a verb
 
Wes
5:29 AM
that's not a plural
 
he/she/it are 3rd person pronouns
 
ah ok
@tereško Yes, I get your mean of "plural" now
 
"Web-Owners always hurts" could have been transformed to "they always hurts" (which still would be wrong), that's why I thought that use added the "s" to make it "plural"
 
ah :-)
 
moin
 
Wes
5:33 AM
3rd person singular has "s" appended to verbs (he plays, she writes), unless they are irregular verbs (i have, you have, he has, they have) - correct me if i'm wrong
forgot everything from school days :B
 
:D
@Wes What is ":B" ? is it laughing?
 
OW !!
 
:)))
@tereško What did you search to find this emoji ?
 
5:36 AM
you dont search for emojis
they are transmitted by direct contact .. like a disease
 
Wes
lol
 
I just want to know what did you write in the google to find that image?
 
"nerdy face"
 
ah tnx
 
@rtheunissen ping
C:\php-sdk\src\ext\ds [master +1 ~0 -0 !]> vendor/bin/phpunit
PHPUnit 5.1.6 by Sebastian Bergmann and contributors.

............................................................   60 / 2576 (  2%)
............................................................  120 / 2576 (  4%)
............................................................  180 / 2576 (  6%)
............................................................  240 / 2576 (  9%)
............................................................  300 / 2576 ( 11%)
yay ..
 
5:39 AM
Why nerdy doesn't has any meaning?
 
@tereško ow .. I thought google is the best!
 
well, to get that link I did google for "urban nerdy"
 
ok :-)
@tereško Now I understand why all "nerdy symbols" have a glass on their eyes ;-)
 
they should teach "advanced search engine techniques" in universities ... like first 4 weeks
 
5:42 AM
@JoeWatkins \o/
 
@rtheunissen once you moved to /php-ds/ext I will do appveyor so you can keep an eye on windows automatically ...
you will have to enable it, I'll just commit the yml
 
I was wondering if there was a CI solution for windows.. glad to hear it
There's a good chance I'll swap over later tonight/today
 
o/
 
@rtheunissen cool
 
@tereško XCOM is still downloading it's been 2hrs... Haven't got a chance for Beyond Earth yet either. It's 3am and I'm just about to finish work stuff for today.
 
5:51 AM
wow , that sucks
 
can i say ioc container use mediator pattern ??
 
@tereško What? "sucks" means "drinking milk by a baby from his mother breast"! So really why you used that word in this context?
 
:D
 
@Shafizadeh no, that's not how it was meant.
 
I don't know, maybe google.translate is wrong
 
5:54 AM
!!urban sucks
dammit, jeeves
 
a certain mr jones has a php flair on reddit ...
 
oh ! I see. tnx @PaulCrovella
 
it is an expression, "this sucks" a synonymous to "this blows", "this is fucked up", "this is shitty"
 
ah ^
 
basically, in this context "sucks" was used to mean "is bad"
english is tricky like that
 
5:56 AM
yeah I got it
 
so yeah, not really my day. I've been working for the past 15hours
 
@tereško ahh yes .. I recall it now .. I already also heard this expression in that audio book.
 
I don't really want to be associated with him
I don't really like the direction PHP is going in ... I might not follow ...
I used to get up in the morning and check internals for interesting emails from dmitry, niki, or bob ... now I avoid reading internals, and dread the next twitter/reddit shitstorm ... I only got involved because code, I don't even like people ... it's not really about code any more ...
 
6:10 AM
PHP is getting dragged into the war for "right to not be offended", mostly by people who dont give a fuck about PHP
 
From my POV, the root cause is not so much "right to not be offended", as it is "right to not have to deal with a mountain of bullshit to be productive". But then it gets taken to the furthest extreme possible.
which is unfortunate
 
@jbafford well, the last shitstorm in /r/programming was about someone who threw a hissy about offensive variable name
 
it doesn't surprise me that such an argument exists.
My thought is, you shouldn't have offensive variable names in your code because it's not professional. (Also you don't want to be unnecessarily distracting and/or offensive to other people who have to read the code.)
 
what the fuck is an offensive variable name ?
 
I guess for some people, though, the right to be offensive is more important.
 
6:17 AM
@JoeWatkins iGiveHead
 
omg, I wish I could leave earth
 
but dont tell them about function names .. they might get triggered by getHead() and getTail()
 
I find that more childish than offensive.
but, that's just me
 
gratuitously racist or sexist language is sexist or racist, you shouldn't use that kind of language, but if someone says to me they are offended by something, I don't care, I hear a little child whining and am trained to ignore that shit from my own children, not going to listen to adults whining ...
 
Early in my career, I went through my own phase of offensively-named stuff for the lulz.
 
6:21 AM
@jbafford I still use $shit for debugging .. make it easier to grep for when you need to clean all the debug-code
 
No one really called me out on it, and maybe they should have, but the point was made when someone went to the site and a porn site came up, and then I immediately cut that shit out.
@tereško I tend to use not-indented code (so it stands out easily in visual inspection) and all caps and/or leading underscores in variables names for debugging stuff.
 
@JoeWatkins but that's what all that "safe space" bullshit is about
@jbafford too much pain, because I like my indentation-assist from editor
 
I don't want to use "offensive" variable names, even for debugging, because they might accidentally get committed.
 
submitting a patch changing an unintentionally unprofessional variable name is throwing a "hissy".... oh the irony
 
@jbafford and why would that be bad?
 
6:24 AM
Because I don't want a permanent record of a poorly named variable name in a repo?
 
you seem to be afraid that somebody else might see you using a bad word
so .. why should you be afraid?
it's almost as if you a scared that posting one dumb thing on the internet might ruin your life .. that's how online communities die, because everyone is scared shitless to make on wrong move
 
It's not that I'm afraid someone else will see me using a bad word. It's that I think it's unprofessional to do so, and if I avoid using obviously controversial variable names, I never have to have that fight. Lets me save that energy for a fight that actually matters.
Besides, would you rather read code that looks like it was written by a sane person, or one that has unnecessary profanities all over the place?
I know what I'd rather read, and so I'll attempt to lead by example.
 
@tereško why are you throwing a hissy about people try to act professional? why are you afraid of that?
it's almost as if I don't curse in my code then I'm trampling your right to be an asshole
 
huh?
 
I don't think that's what @tereško's point is.
 
6:29 AM
then what is it?
 
I interpreted it as, he was curious as to why I bother to care so much.
 
@PaulCrovella my point is actually that people do dumb things. That's how we get better. But if you punish people for it, then people become afraid to do anything.
and keep in mind that what is considered "bad thing" changes with time, while internet never forgets
@PaulCrovella what I am advocating is not a "right to be an asshole" but a "right to be wrong"
 
Now, don't get me wrong: if I wanted to write profanity-laced code, I certainly would. (But I don't want to. I don't feel the need.) And I would certainly not be cool with someone telling me I can't do that in my own code.
 
@tereško wtf does someone trying to act professionally, themselves in their own work, have to do with that?
the only thing you don't question is why someone would be a dick, so forgive me if I've misinterpreted
 
@PaulCrovella Consider the scenario where, in a fit of drunken coding, I'm dumb enough to use $racialSlur as a variable name, and it gets into the repo, and then gets pushed out to the world. And then people see it and complain (rightfully or not).
If I were still a PFY, I could chalk that up to inexperience and immaturity.
 
6:35 AM
@jbafford hell maybe you dont even push it while drunk, but fix it in the morning and push the edited commit, but there is a bad word in your commit history .. because you were not paranoid enough to sanitize it
 
I'm not. I know better. I know the effect words have on people. And I don't have the time or patience or energy anymore to fight needless battles.
The cleanup afterwards would be one of those needless battles.
 
here is the kicker: how do you know what will be considered offensive in 2018?
 
that's not the kicker, that's paranoia
 
I don't, for certain, but I can make some reasonable guesses based on what's considered offensive in 2016.
 
you do the best you can with what you've got today, it's not that complicated
 
6:40 AM
(also, to be clear: there's nothing wrong with a healthy sense of paranoia. It's only when it goes overboard that it's a problem.)
 
@PaulCrovella we work in IT. Paranoia is an occupational disease.
 
for example: swear words, racial/sexual/etc slurs, and (outside of an appropriate context) certain parts of anatomy would all be likely candidates for what will be considered offensive in two or ten or fifty years.
 
good morning!
 
Now, I can't predict what new ones might pop up, but since I'm not in the business of using profanity in my code, it's not something I ever have to worry about.
 
awww my internet just went down for a few minutes .... not again :(
morning @SergeyTelshevsky
 
6:45 AM
And if some formerly mundane word suddenly becomes profanity ... well, I won't be alone in that boat.
 
it used to be a fine idea to call your company ISIS, but probably not so much any more... and that isn't even about being offensive, it's just good old-fashioned sense
shit comes up, adjust and move on
 
15 mins ago, by tereško
@PaulCrovella what I am advocating is not a "right to be an asshole" but a "right to be wrong"
 
@tereško can you clarify? Do you mean "right to make an honest mistake, oops, I won't do that again", or, "right to intentionally be contrary"? (or both)
 
I want to work with @jbafford <3
 
no, I mean "right to make an honest mistake", without a need to vow to never make mistakes again .. though being "intentionally be contrary" can be positive for community, because having miscreants lets people have context
 
6:51 AM
(Both are obviously defensible; I'm not arguing against either one. But the first is also much less controversial.)
 
I'm staying here until the topic changes ...
 
24 mins ago, by jbafford
I know what I'd rather read, and so I'll attempt to lead by example.
this! totally!
if we want to have nice things, we have to do nice things. not wait for them.
morning btw
 
moin
 
@JoeWatkins you might miss the topic change .. seeing how awesome your ISP is :D
 
Re: mistakes, I always tell people that work for me (usually right after they make a colossal fuck-up) that they're free, and encouraged, to make mistakes. I just have two rules: 1) get help ASAP; don't wait until you've buried your self so deep in shit you can't find a way out; and 2) don't ever make the same mistake more than once.
repeatedly making the same mistake shows you're not learning, and that's a big problem.
 
6:56 AM
well ... what do you mean by that ?
 
(which part specifically needs clarification?)
 
are you talking about normal programmer error, or something else ?
 
Something of material importance.
 
I see, I see ... you mean like decisions in design process or something of that nature ...
 
Like, "oops, I accidentally changed everyone's password because I fubar'd the sql query".
 
7:00 AM
and the solution for that is? "dont ever try reviving a site that blew up just moments ago" ?
 
like obliterating the current issue of a major academic journal? ...over christmas holiday? ...2 months fresh into a gig?
yeah, only managed that once thankfully
 
well, in that particular case, I changed the way I write update queries. Now, I write "UPDATE tablename set WHERE condition" (so, ensuring a syntax error), and only after I've verified the where condition is what I expect (probably with a prior select query), do I put in the rest of the update query.
 
fuck making those phone calls
 
when project is on fire in a spectacular fashion, if someone tries to fix it, the mistakes might be made
 
This sort of thing is also why I am overly paranoid about debugging emails.
 
7:05 AM
Dec 16 '13 at 14:03, by Joe Watkins
#gitapocalypse happening on http://git.php.net for php 5.4
I only did that once ...
 
lol
 
but anyway, everyone makes tons of dumb mistakes all the time. If we didn't, we'd be writing bug-free programs.
 
yeah that's what I was thinking actually ... and I think I make more than most ...
 
I really couldn't care less about random syntax errors, or that dumb typo that's causing the whole thing to not work and you just can't figure out why.
 
but same goes for social interactions
 
7:07 AM
I make more than my fair share
 
a lot of developers are social inept, they fuck up ... do you really think punishing them for that makes sense?
 
if I didn't, I wouldn't be as broke as I am :D
 
ok, it's getting late. I should go find my bed now.
 
I'm staying up all night again to finish this project
 
I need to find some new music .. my collection is getting stale
 
7:13 AM
@tereško do you have spotify?
I can share my playlist with you, but it's probably mostly bland basic crap :P
 
no spotify
I am one of those FLAC snobs
 
Morning
 
o/
 
@tereško If it's just a mistake, no. If it's a pattern of behavior, yes. It's fine to be wrong, but that doesn't mean you don't need to learn from and correct your mistakes. If you're screwing the pooch on projects because you can't code your way out of a paper bag, expect to be let go. Likewise if you're just an impossible person to work with as a team member.
 
7:17 AM
@PaulCrovella so ... if you have this new developer in your community, who uses "fag" all over his twitter account, what would you do?
 
what is my "community"?
 
what if that developer is from London?
@PaulCrovella php core
 
"his twitter account" big fucking deal
 
@ScottArciszewski that's where majority of latest shitstorms have been coming from
 
if he's talking about cigarettes, I don't give a shit; if he's going off on homophobic rants, I want nothing to do with him
 
7:21 AM
@PaulCrovella and how many people will even think of that distinction , before he/she is crucified in the court of public opinion
 
I've started to call out co-workers who say things like "this is gay" or "x doesnt work because of that gay y".
I typically respond with "gay is not a swearword".
 
no, it is just a really bad description .. I see it as acute lack of imagination
 
that's not directly calling them out but gives them enough to consider their language
 
at my last job, I had a really opinionated coworker
 
@tereško um, pretty much everyone - it's not like that "lol, wacky british words" is a new phenomenon, plus it'd be obvious from context how the word is being used
 
7:24 AM
and I nearly got angry enough to punch him
his thing was he's a conservative republican who basically gets off on political talk radio
so they'd start talking about politics, and hillary clinton would come up
and his response to her name was "ugh, her kankles"
so I just sat there, silently billowing up a rage thinking "there are literally hundreds of reasons to disagree with someone's politics, and you choose to instead attack her appearance?!"
until one day I snapped, and I started aggressively calling him out
and he didn't know what to say
I got the deer in the headlight look
so whenever I hear feminists talking about how "all men are privileged and sexist" etc., I remember him, and I hate him and people like him for giving them ammo
end of story
 
@tereško it affects thinking though. when people use gay as a synonym for bad/stupid/shit, chances are their brains will subconsciously map that to LBGT people.
 
morning!
 
@Gordon I've used variations on "please don't use 'gay' as an epithet", but I like the pointed "'gay' is not..."
 
@Gordon you are completely correct, but I still wouldn't object anyone using because of that .. it wouldn't be all that effective. It's much better to point out that that description make one sound like a fucking simpleton.
 
7:33 AM
lets you pause GIFs
 
Is there a similar thing for chrome?
 
$dictionary->map(function($key, $value){}) or...
$dictionary->map(function(Pair $pair){})

Where you can use $pair->key, and $pair->value
 
@tereško I don't take that approach though because people often get defensive when you tell them "you sound like a fucking simpleton". and it doesnt gets better with the f word in it :)
 
former @rudi
 
chrome used to have gif controls on right-click, but those disappeared for some reason
 
7:35 AM
Thanks @JoeWatkins
 
@Gordon well, of course you dont use those exact words. You just imply it.
 
the latter is going to add overhead in a very high frequency place I imagine ... avoid that, I would ...
 
In general, I try to avoid You messages and either talk about a thing or use I messages
 
Yeah would create an instance for each i
 
+ additional ops for read_property inside closure
 
7:36 AM
Was just wondering api wise. Implemented as the former then wondered about it
 
@Gordon of course. You need to be subtle about these things =) Direct confrontation is rarely effective.
 
@tereško exactly :)
 
@tereško tnx
 
1 message moved to Orphan GIFs
 
Wes
7:41 AM
@rtheunissen are we doing the same thing? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/11?m=28479912#28479912
 
@Wes potentially
 
Wes
:P
 
I don't think we're the only ones though
 
Wes
yeah. php7 made a bunch of people starting creating stuff like that
 
@Gordon there is one exception: if you want to change mind of others, then being direct can yield better results
 
7:43 AM
@tereško not sure I'd universally agree with that.
 
that's what oxford style debates are all about
 
@JoeWatkins "map_map(map, ...);"
 
Wes
anyway @rtheunissen depending on what you are doing, consider that both key and value could be optional. i wouldn't populate $key OR $value if the user doesn't need them
 
@Wes wouldn't that require reflection on the callable?
 
7:48 AM
not reflection
you can tell how many args are accepted internally really easily
 
Wes
would probably do $map->map(function($iterator){
$iterator->key(); // only if needed
$iterator->current(); // only if needed
});
 
@rtheunissen what's going on ?
 
Wes
but unsure actually
 
@JoeWatkins was just a funny line
 
oooh
I didn't get it ...
I'm not sure that function($key) or function($value) should be acceptable, you cannot tell what is expected (key or value) and "map" implies you're going to want key and value
 
Wes
7:51 AM
but honestly i don't know why you guys are so infatuated with array_map and things. i usually just use foreach
 
since addref is cheap, I'm still thinking function($key, $value) is best really ..
 
Going with key, value
@Wes so create a new array, and foreach the other?
 
Wes
yeah
 
array_map is a lot nicer for that especially if you can reference another function or closure etc
 
@Wes it feels more elegant to use array_map and lambdas, though I agree foreach is often easier to read
 
7:53 AM
array_map(null, ...) is also handy, but demands a comment wherever it's used
 
@PaulCrovella to concat arrays, right?
 
anyone using ZSH here?
how can I set it to have same behaviour for searching history as CSH has by default?
 
@rtheunissen kinda, makes an array of arrays of columns of the input arrays
 
O_o
 
Wes
@Gordon it would probably be if php had actual closures and short syntax ()=>{} :P but that's not the case
 
7:56 AM
insert "dude, I heard you like arrays" meme
 
Wes
i find foreach much more readable
 
@PaulCrovella I recall the user comment but it's been a while. A part of me doesn't care enough because that same part refuses to use array_map(null, ...)
In its defense.. is quite elegant
 
@Wes yes
 
@JoeWatkins I'll figure out what I can re: PECL. I think I'm API complete now which is nice.
 
Wes
8:03 AM
anyway @rtheunissen i'm at fifth rewrite of my data structures library, you? :B
 
#1
I've rewritten my tests 3 times
Actually could call it #2
 
Wes
you are lucky if you stay within 3 :D
it's a constant combat between doing the right thing and do what php users are used to
 
@JoeWatkins could you take a quick look at a "Missing argument" error, can't see how it's not receiving a third. Created an issue - no rush.
<3
 
@Wes -.-
 
8:21 AM
@tereško like bash up & down?
 
not sure .. I am not a bash user
the behaviour is like this, if I write "git clo" and press key-up, it cycles through all "git clone" command in my history
 
"Your Jetbrains - PHP storm version is expired" BAH
 
@Duikboot use the EAP
 
@tereško not sure if it's what you want, but I used this a while ago blog.samsonis.me/2013/12/…
back to xcom now, g'day everyone
 
Awesome, works like charm, so far. Thanks @Gordon
 
8:29 AM
@Duikboot I've not payed for phpstorm in three years. it's a bit unfair though given that its an awesome ide, but I dont do enough freelancing anymore to justify the expense.
 
8:42 AM
I payed for it for about 3 years, but now Im trying a while the EAP :)
 
Wes
i consider my "buying phpstorm" a donation for keeping the development active
i know i'm an idiot.
 
meh, use Atom
 
I also bought it with the intention of "finally taking it seriously"
A few hours later, back to ST
 
lol
 
Wes
lol
 
8:48 AM
does phpstorm support refunds?
 
If I had a dollar for every time I tried PHPStorm only to go back to ST, I could probably renew my unused license for another year.
 
Wes
it's a major feature. i big fluo green blinking button "get refund"
last time i checked atom and sublime they weren't as good with autocomplete and automatic refactoring
actually one or the other didn't have automatic refactoring at all
maybe it was sublime?
 
Just get damn good at regex find/replace
Side effects may include getting damn good at regex
 
Wes
lol
 
One of the main reasons I crawl back to ST is because I'm using 4+ languages on a daily basis, so it's easy to switch between various parts and have the same scheme, highlighting, hotkeys etc
 
8:54 AM
Mornin 11-ers!
Yep, ST is too versatile to drop for me; it's so easy to work with. My colleagues prefer notepad++ and I have no idea why
 
yeah, I had one of those too
he had a tendency to upload index.php~ files to production server
 
Eek
 
but anyway, I have officially moved to Atom from ST3 as of 2 weeks ago
 

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