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@Morwenn Given that there are 4680 of them... No.
Reversal is by far the hardest.
@R.MartinhoFernandes When you already have loads of answers, it's harder.
You need a lot of luck, and you cannot work for it.
@Morwenn Reversal is always hard, regardless of how many answers you have...
@R.MartinhoFernandes most of the posts for that are even deleted, do I get to see them once I pass 10K?
@rhalbersma Yes.
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21:01
yey! reversal after only 3 years :) — OscarRyz 2 days ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's true. Generally speaking, the topic will be closed before you get it.
Where can you see your progress on Electorate?
lol
@EtiennedeMartel See your vote count on your profile.
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@EtiennedeMartel You could see it in the old queues
That question was bonkers, though.
I need 10 upvotes and I get it on meta.
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I liked how I also got a Populist out of that.
Not even I can see it.
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I'm not 10k on Meta. :(
I'm barely >1k
I have 201 rep :D
21:04
I've only just made 1K here. D:
I onl;y have 101 rep on Meta. =[
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Damn, I need 81 upvotes in still...
@Xeo sorry, tapped out for the day :-)
I could go upvote all of Xeo's answers, lul
@Xeo wow that would make you #4, cool
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21:09
There have only been crappy template questions lately, though. :(
Oh.
I just realized why they call it "bitwise ORing".
@Xeo All cool tags devolved to crap recently.
@Pawnguy7 Because it's a ring that looks like an O.
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Maybe I should start on ...
Also, Robot, HALP
I can't get Applicative out of my head. :(
It's even worse than wanting to map and fold ALL the things!
> On systems with 12-bit (e.g. PDP-8) or 24-bit words, UTF12 is most space efficient.
FFS SERIOUSLY
What the fuck.
21:12
David Rodriguez needs 22 more upvotes for [templates]
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ya
And James needs 8 answers
I almost hoped I could beat Kerrek and Nawiz, but I resumed answering questions too late.
Hm.
I think I want the Dark Soul's soundtrack.
@R.MartinhoFernandes UTF12 exists? o.0?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sounds like a joke to me.
@Rapptz I honestly hope so. Sadly, he further down mentions UTF12 and UTF24 again...
@ThePhD In a way, yes. It was invented, but I doubt it exists in practice.
Are those guys from GCC planning to implement all the language features of C++14 in GCC 4.9?
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21:15
Robot, gimme some Haskell thing that gets Applicative out of my head.
What, the heater didn't get turned down? Who invited it in the first place?
ah btw, sftrabbit is on 56 for c++1y, 44 more for bronze, leads by 40
21:18
@R.MartinhoFernandes o.0 Well. That's... something. Is ogonek going to support it? :D
> UTF-12 may be of little use in practice, but it is very nice from the theoretical point of view.
What.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, that's from Lawrence
Wtf
@Xeo As the guy behind the abomination that is dynarray, it's no surprise.
@Xeo I'm going to assume it was just an example to make his point (UTF-8 is not "size efficient" without qualification)
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21:20
@DeadMG I thought he was one of the good guys. :(
@Xeo you'd better hurry with your 81 templates upvotes, because Andy has gotten 231 in the last 30 days, needs 296 more
Hey, uh.
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@rhalbersma Andy be repwhoring :P
When you execute a std::thread, any return value is list from the thing unless you expicitly package it in a packaged_task or something like it.
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Also, I have work to do, I can't just constantly browse SO :s
21:21
If the value has a return, should I do a check and create a promise automagically?
@Xeo dynarray proposer -> not one of the good guys
Just so they can retrieve the value later, if they want?
@Xeo I think he's taken over the lead from Luchian for answering the most questions.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You know, the sheer number of encoding mishaps on that page tapemark.narod.ru/comp/utf12en.html is astounding. Particularly considering the topic
21:22
@Xeo Just retag the questions you already answered to fit your needs.
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Doesn't help
And I already retagged all my template answers
Why am I not surprised?
@rhalbersma Wut, we have got ourselves a new rep-statistician in the the lounge?
@rhalbersma En welkom in de lounge :)
21:24
@sehe I like stats in general, it comes and goes in phases
@sehe Not even approaching Mysticial yet.
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Mm... no compiler has generic lambdas on the bleeding edge yet, right?
@sehe Dank je wel
> garlic and prawns and garlic and tuna and garlic and garlic,
Hmm, I like this menu.
UTF-12 can suck a nibbly dick.
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21:24
Yay, garlic.
Garlic is nice.
It is, isn't it.
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Garlic and prawns would be nice right now.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Baked tuna, or the choppy seafood tuna?
21:25
@sehe nice stat for you: 24 more upvotes and you'd be #4 silver in
I've only ever had a full Tuna, baked, once in my life.
It was the most delicious thing in the world.
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@rhalbersma [tag:stuff]
@Xeo tnx
Between Chocolate Covered Raisins and fully baked Tuna, I loved that stuff.
@ThePhD No freaking idea. Not that I care. From who it is, I am sure it will be delicious.
21:25
@JerryCoffin Well, it's the first day I've seen him in the lounge, that makes the sample worthless. It has the potential to far surpass Mysticials number-hunting habits :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oooh, you got a ladyfriend making you Tuna?~
@Xeo I believe there's a version of Clang with an experimental implementation.
Aww. =[
I wanted to see the Robot fall in love.
Well, she's a lady, but not a ladyfriend.
21:26
OHOO~
CHANCE DESU~
@rhalbersma I honestly don't give a ... I'm usually already ambivalent about putting the effort into SO these days. I just keep "around" so I'll know when my "powers" wane (i.e. I get rusty on certain topics)
@sehe True -- the potential's there, but he hasn't done so yet.
@sbi ^ Robot's got someone who makes him food. And it's a lady. Investigate, if you have the time. <3
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lol
21:27
@JerryCoffin I like to call potential events early. It's a thing I do.
@ThePhD Yeah. I pay and people make food for me. Surprising, ain't it?
Oooh.
Also, she's over 50.
Darn, I thought Romance was going to bloom in the air like the coming Spring of the Year.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes So you're buying her service, is that how it is?
21:28
Oh gawd.
@sehe it's nice to spot some patterns, e.g. most of all the unanswered C++ questions have been on Qt related stuff, somehow nobody likes those
@rhalbersma "#4" the edit makes it a tad more interesting
@Xeo She's a real lady, not a lady of the night.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, that age comment killed it.
@Xeo It never really lived. It was just a figment of your imaginations the whole time
21:29
Haha, real lady vs. lady of the night
The Phantom Lady.
@rhalbersma They virtually all involve some fairly large library/framework kind of thing anyway, yes. Almost everything about C++ per se gets answered, and usually pretty quickly.
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I wonder how Wide handles OOM.
Yea, generally speaking, library-specific stuff don't get answered.
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Or if the puppy's just not gonna let it run anywhere embedded.
21:30
hahahaha
lol
Even when you ask on their own forums, you don't always get answers anyway...
@Xeo My current intention is that if your specified out of memory handlers cannot free up enough memory, then terminate.
@sehe final stat for the day: James McNellis is 4 upvotes and 7 questions away from #1 gold in
I doubt that if you are on an embedded platform, an exception is desirable behaviour anyway.
21:32
@rhalbersma Yeah he is quite the character on SO (and used to be in the lounge too, occasionally AFAIR)
but you're also correct that I have little intention of bending over backwards to support embedded devices.
@sehe Then he got hired by MS and nearly disappeared...
@JerryCoffin =[
Ah, that was the cause then
I'm about to go to an MS internship
I don't want to disappear. ;~;
My heart.
21:33
it was, but it was also funny
I noticed
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I need an RPi to handle my Clang builds for me... or something like that.
if it doesn't have infinite duration it's misnamed
21:35
@sehe I'm not sure it was the cause, but it certainly seemed like it -- it happened almost immediately after they hired him anyway.
@Xeo Erm, yeah... The poor thing struggles to build ogonek's tests. Just saying.
@JerryCoffin Well, correlation is good enough for me. In human behaviour, causality is rarely a concrete phenomenon anyways
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, I reformulate: I need something to keep an uptodate Clang build for me :(
@DeadMG You're not dead, thus you're misnamed, right?
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21:36
IOW, I need a buildbot
LOL
@Morwenn What, I'm not a vampire, zombie, ghoul, ghast, lich, mummy, greater mummy, etc?
@Xeo I can give you SSH access to my server if you want.
Shit, this is indeed multithreaded stuff
I think I already installed clang-9999.
21:37
@DeadMG Even though, that's not dead enough.
what the fuck are you smoking
it's my name and I say how dead is dead enough.
@DeadMG Man, we always had the most fun when I used undead.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it good?
@Morwenn @BartekBanachewicz now there's a track that does justice to violin in metal! And, incidentally does justice to metal in the first place. Wow
@DomagojPandža It's "whatever is in trunk" (version 9999 is kind of a hack to make sure the current installed one is never considered up-to-date by the package manager)
21:38
@R.MartinhoFernandes Frankly, once I became a level 38 Cleric, Turn Undead became rather overly powerful. As in, I just walked into a room with 10 Vampires and 3 Liches and instantly killed them all.
I hope that in the newer DnD editions it's more balanced, the low level ADnD Turn Undead was useless.
@sehe This Igorrr guy has several great and sick tracks.
@DeadMG I dunno what you are playing, but Turn Undead has always been close to useless in our campaigns (3.5th edition).
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know, but that's supposed to be the C++11 feature complete one, right? Well, early access to it -- at least.
I don't feel like building that shit nor LLVM. Well, SSD might help.
@DomagojPandža Ah, yes. Haven't tested it yet.
21:39
@R.MartinhoFernandes Baldur's Gate 2.
but then, being Level 38 (several times the intended maximum level) probably had something to do with it.
Oh, that reminds me
@Borgleader How was your Exam?
@DeadMG In 3.5th Turn Undead is mostly crap.
@Morwenn When he raises the bass drum pitch to form a melodic counterpoint the tuning is ... odd, though. I reckon he had to do the maths himself and stumbled on Werckmeister or Pythogarean before Well-Tempered.
21:40
It can only affect undead that are unlikely to pose a problem anyway.
Anyways, the guitar overdub after the 'operatic vocal section' is also slightly out of tune. We should probably blame the studio engineers
agree
I'm not sure if Clerics should have a special weapon against Undead, but if you're gonna give them one, at least make it not suck.
@sehe I don't know if he wanted that outuned or not though.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I have a feeling I'd break everything as soon as I got access. :P Also, I plan to hack away a bit at Clang for []stuff, so yeah.
> 'void' becomes a literal type to support constexpr functions which return 'void'.
lol
Well, I gotta go for a while. Later, all.
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21:41
See ya
@Xeo I wouldn't give you root access anyway :P
@Morwenn Anyways, this is something that I can listen to for sheer authenticity even it is 1. highly produced 2. techno-drum (it's... fake!) 3. a bit pastiche in all turns. It's the quality and the ingenuity that holds it together
@sehe Yeah, that's both serious music and incredibly ironic.
It appears April 1st 2011 was my first really active day on this chat.
@StackedCrooked We all hoped you were just joking about coming back.
wha-tish
21:43
@Morwenn Well, guitarists like their sounds to float on the 'high pitch' side, usually, to be brighter than the accompanying track. Since his solo line mimicks all the pastiches, I doubt that he would want to be an exception here :/
@Morwenn What shows is a love for the genre without pretense. /cc @BartekBanachewicz this irked me about that violinist that you raved about before. The pretense
@sehe Some other tracks are kinda fuck up though.
@StackedCrooked Wait, how did you find this out?
@sehe by reading the transcript
21:45
man, I need to do more ABI fixing with Wide.
this is le unfortunatis.
ABI is the hards.
@DeadMG One time one of my players made a build totally focusing on Turn Undead. Pretty much never used (he had feats to expend uses of TU for other things, and that was what he ended up doing). Months later they had to cross some vast plains (like, weeks of travel time), that were home of millions of low-level undead. His Turn ability was so powerful we just skipped ahead and didn't bother playing out a single battle during their trip. That was the only time it was ever useful.
does anybody know if this was recorded: accu.org/index.php/conferences/accu_conference_2013/… :drool: :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes The 3.5e rules must be quite different- how can you "expend" TU? In ADnD it's a free innate ability you can use indefinitely.
also, in exchange for what did he expend it? spells?
@NoSenseEtAl most of the slides are online
21:47
An Exploration of the Phenomenology of Software Development.
lol
@DeadMG Yeah, 3.5 you get a certain number of uses per day.
wow, that's even worse
@DeadMG Spells, healing, buffs, ... he had a long list of that stuff.
at least in ADnD I could just be like, "Even though it sucks, I can kill so much undead with it".
@rhalbersma I meant recorded like boostcon and put on YT
21:48
Vimeo would be preferable. High quality video with no degradation encoding or shitty buffering.
@ThePhD Pwned it
@Borgleader Nice. :D
@Morwenn it's a cultural kaleidoscope! Eric Satie, 70's jazz, several avant garde pop, jungle house, bach goes to town, pink floyd, elf music, it's everything mashed together. It's more of a collage than an actual opus. I'd say. (On the classical side of the divide, it reminds me of Formazioni/Sinfonia by Berlioz.)
@NoSenseEtAl haven't seen it anywhere
this has some videos ,but tbh i dont like them all that much: http://yow.eventer.com/yow-2012-1012
Martin Thompson
talks are ok
21:49
Is Queue a variadic template?
Wow, half of the questions are by the same guy o_O
damn, Clang eliminating empty struct parameters is so frustrating.
C++98, lol.
@Morwenn It's over the top, but I still think it holds it together. I woudln't say it fucked up. Allthough the Bach toccata quote section is too dominant for my taste
@Borgleader Queue is a variadic function.
Is takes arbitrary units of work, exactly like std::function .
21:50
ah that's what I thought
@Morwenn fooBaz?
@sehe It didn't mean fucked up as bad. But, I have some problem with the exact meaning of some words :p
@rhalbersma I've never seen a BoostCon session video of palatable quality. To me, if audio and video are equally borked, it becomes futile to watch
Guys, I need to free some biomatter and I don't feel like waiting until it goes out of scope.
I think for my case an std::function<void()> will be sufficient.
21:51
@Morwenn ok, good. I still thought is was worth listening to again
@Borgleader That's how I implement it underneath.
@sehe But yeah, this guy tries to put a little bit of everything in his music and really does some original mix.
@DomagojPandža You mean, take a dump?
That might actually be Objective-C's fault.
21:51
@sehe channel 9 is pretty good quality
@rhalbersma That's better, yes
hmm
@sehe His last album is mainly breakcore, metal and baroque music, but it really is pretty good an d original :)
I only have 6 proposals on my list for Chicago
I coulda sworn it was more..
21:52
ah yes
lol only
I wanted to put forward a proposal to fix UTF-8 literals.
@EtiennedeMartel I thought they improved upon their shitty error messaging which they sold as warnings before.
Puppy is on the warpath.
@DeadMG That would be neat.
21:53
@R.MartinhoFernandes As far as I can tell, everybody hates them, but nobody put forward a proposal to do something about them.
I'm not too hopeful though.
@sehe Strangest idea might be to do some sratch with a chicken...
@R.MartinhoFernandes The fact that char is completely useless now and the state of UTF-8 breaks massive existing codebases probably helps.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, you cynical person.
21:54
@DeadMG Uh, what?
@EtiennedeMartel What?
@sehe Yes, that would be the meatspace equivalent. :$
@Morwenn Very originally. I like the section where I think I hear a Koto (or some other tradiotional Asian plucked string instrument) with obviously partial samples of (bass) clarinet. I mean, it's untraceable where he get's the idea, but somehow it works. And the quality of the mix is ... remarkable
@DeadMG char is still perfectly useful as a badly named version of byte.
the isocpp mailinglists have a high DownTown Abbey feel to them (upstairs committee members snobbing downstairs proposals)
@sehe I really wish we had more musicians like that :)
21:56
@ThePhD You competent bastard ;) It's a little bit more complicated than what I need. but I'll keep that link close in case I run into any issues while polishing mine :)
@rhalbersma There are a huge amount of shitty proposals on there. The Committee members are right to shit on a lot of them.
@Morwenn In general, I like it when I hear sounds that work, but aren't immediately recognizable. There should be ample depth and definition, though. Just random house mixes won't cut it for me.
@EtiennedeMartel Hmm, apparently "cynical" in English has an extra, completely unrelated, meaning I was not aware of.
@sehe And by the way, you're really good at analyzing music :D
@R.MartinhoFernandes Every function which deals with char encoding on every implementation where narrow encoding was not already UTF-8 is broken.
21:56
@Morwenn I'd hope so :) It used to be my major subject (well, before I dropped out of everything, anyways)
@rhalbersma Have you seen what people propose there?
@R.MartinhoFernandes It does?
Yes, sehe has very good aural abilites.
not talking about the "let's have X or Y" postings, but about some numbered proposals as well
21:57
@DeadMG Google says "Believing that people are motivated by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.", which I knew, and "Doubtful as to whether something will happen or is worthwhile."
@rhalbersma Like which ones? Some of them are shit too.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Those aren't unrelated at all- they are the same meaning. #1 is #2 with "something" == "decent human behaviour".
@rhalbersma It's the other way around in my view. It's the committee members inviting a lot of feedback and ending up having to wade through more ... low quality discussions than they might have bargained for
@sehe so how can the level of discussion be improved?
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@sehe If there ware that many committee members...
@rhalbersma A basic SAN test for every poster plx
@DeadMG No, it's not. #1 has no temporal relationship involved.
21:59
@rhalbersma Mostly by people accepting counter arguments, instead of knee-jerk repeating their own points
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can be cynical as to whether a past event actually happened.
That's neither of those definitions.
frankly

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