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17:00
@MartinJames It's the infinitive of the verb "to debug". Anglicism.
@kbok No.
@kbok that's creative
@kbok Fruit harvest?
Let's share notes when I'm done crawling through instantiation stacks.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah.
17:02
Write a debugger.
@kbok I've been to a bunch of fruit harvests, but I never thought of putting that in my CV.
I just added -ftemplate-backtrace-limit=0 against my better judgement.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know a lot of people who do that.
I went to Barclay James Harvest gig in Manchester.
Hmm, trouble.
detail::wrap_tagged_range<NormalizingIterator, detail::normalized_tag<NormalForm>, Tags..>(r); will give me duplicate tags if it's already normalized, which wreaks havoc.
I have a foo(boost::optional<T>); constructor declared. I also have another constructor constrained on is_base_of. Apparently instantiating the copy constructor of foo triggers a check of is_base_of on boost::optional<T>, which isn't defined. Is that to be expected?
17:06
Oh nevermind. I need to special case that anyway.
guys
can you have multithread in a single core single processor machine?
so it is possible to have deadlock in a single core single processor machine?
Yes.
17:12
Yes.
What was that language that was made with the idea of multiple threads/cores in mind?
lol i thought it is max doing only one kernel level thread at once
Go?
17:12
Erlang
Intel
Counterespionage
can someone explain why to me?
Brainfuck
Deadlock is a state where threads cannot continue it has nothing to do with SMP
17:13
Why multithreads?
I feel like it may have been Erland, but I don't know much of Go, so it might be both.
Also your question quota is up
See you again next year
there is a quota?
17:14
Me?
Well, for starters, you have at least one thread per process, ie per application running.
@RyanFung is that a question?
int x = 0;          | int y = 0;
while(y == 0) wait; | while(x == 0) wait;
x = 1;              | y = 1;
Gosh, I must be bored.
17:15
Yes
Some people think using multiple threads will simplify their app's code.
Some people are coincidentally extremely dumb
Some situations mandates using multiple threads, too, like using a blocking thirdparty library.
There's a difference between concurrency and using multiple threads
17:17
It is useful, when under heavy CPU load, to run the calculations and process the GUI events in separate threads too keep your app responsive.
Yeah but threads never simplify anything
@kbok Oh god the grammer.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah I don't even know what I thought I was writing
They make certain things possible, they might make certain things faster
17:17
You can also use multiple threads to make a compute-bound program faster. The main issue is that you will get trolled by the cat if you do so.
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But not simpler
@kbok lol, love when this happens.
@CatPlusPlus they make producing problems simpler!
@Mysticial Only on multi-core (or alike) hardware, right?
But of course we're all MAGNIFICENT programmers, and added complexity due to threads is essentially a non-issue for us. RIIIIIIIIIIGHT?
17:19
@kbok No. The cat will troll you on any hardware.
Well we are, you're not
@Mysticial lol
When confronted with a problem, some people think "I know, I'll use several threads." Noave two problw they hems
rehashedjokes dot com
Don't thank me.
17:20
@kbok Now they have N + 1 problems, where N is the amount of cores.
I got reminded by something about zombo.com few days ago
(Speaking of dot coms)
Hurray, it compiles again. Notes will follow soon. ish.
Out of curiosity, I went to dotcom.com, and it redirected -_-
@CatPlusPlus They do, actually, simplify apps that have a lot of isolated functionality.
Not really, no
17:22
Yes, really.
I guess you guys have different definitions of "simplify".
Also I have no idea what you're talking about so there's that
'Oh, and while doing all your current stuff that works fine, monitor some folder for files and, if they appear, process them and stuff the result into another folder'. Extra thread - trivial. No extra thread - messy.
template<typename C, typename... Cs, typename... T>
constexpr typename emplace_context<C, Cs...>::template Tuple<T&&...>
emplace(T&&... t)
{ return typename emplace_context<C, Cs...>::template Tuple<T&&...> { std::forward<T>(t)... }; }
This is sane. And so am I!!!!
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What are you doing?
17:25
variant_type v = emplace<3>(foo, bar);
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mhm
(Have to add non-type overload.)
@MartinJames right. unless your other stuff is operating on one of those folders :3
@MartinJames That's some obscure multitool design
@LucDanton Considering you've just used four exclamation marks, you're obviously not.
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17:28
Now... encode<EncodingForm>(decode<EncodingForm>(storage, ErrorHandler{}), assume_valid)) WTF was I smoking.
Xeo
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Always remember: Punctuation marks aren't pack animals.
Decode it, and then encode it right back again.
@melak47 Indeed:) The point is that multiple threads do not always mean extra complication, and can simplify the implementation of requirements, expecially enhancements to existing, tested, functioning apps, SOMETIMES.
@R.MartinhoFernandes if the result is equal to input, you've done your shit properly :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes int j = int.Parse(i.ToString());
17:29
@CatPlusPlus ..like many of my apps.
Adding a totally unrelated background thread to an existing thing is not simpler than any other option by any stretch of imagination
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I was assuming that was part of a unit test - seems not.
@MartinJames if it is so isolated and has nothing to do with the rest of your program, why not do it in...a separate program
@CatPlusPlus It just is.
@melak47 Why should I complicate my installer and have to maintain two apps?
Oh, wait, I get it.
17:30
template<
    typename EmplaceTuple
    , EnableIfEmplaceConstructible<
        TupleElement<
            Unqualified<EmplaceTuple>::context_type::head::value
            , tuple_type
        >
        , EmplaceTuple
    >...
>
variant_base(EmplaceTuple&&);
Hey so I wrote this file browser and then I added a background thread that makes coffee because you see it's unrelated so it's simpler
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No, it's not fuck this shitty design
I do need something like that.
Need an alias for that runaway thingy. Is that nice or what?
Ahahaha complicating the installer
Jesus
Hint you are maintaining two apps and that they happen to run in one process means absolutely nothing
2
@CatPlusPlus Fail to see the funny, really.
17:31
Except that you suck at designing things and your definition of "simple" is seriously fucked up
3
Because decoding guarantees it's valid and may add replacement characters, which need to be encoded right back in. I need to put a note to optimize away redundancy in other cases.
Invoking :psyduck:
@CatPlusPlus It is not two or more apps. There is one requirement spec. That's one app.
One spec, one EXE. One app.
That's shitty requirement spec
@EtiennedeMartel So turns out I wasn't smoking anything weird when I wrote that.
I'm still awesome.
17:33
@CatPlusPlus I only get shitty requirement specs.
If you really can't see why then I seriously have no words and I don't want to think about it so thread over
@MartinJames I'm so sorry.
Anyway, will have to continue any debate later - I have to get ready to go out with Anne. Bye for now!
No please don't continue this debate ever
OK. Fine by me.
17:34
@R.MartinhoFernandes What were you doing anyway%
I'm so sleepy
@CatPlusPlus Why do you always win so much? <3
@Borgleader The output isn't always supposed to be the same as the input.
oh
Did you figure out why nested initialization lists take millenias to compile?
No, not yet.
I have a compilation bottleneck with -O3 on the segmentation bits that I need to investigate. Maybe it's related.
17:37
ok
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Yay, Mini-Muffins!
That sounds like crap.
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They're yummy.
I like my muffins with muffin in them.
Muffin selfref.
17:39
Tomorrow is Freitag. YAY
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muffin<recursive_muffin>
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wat
Did you time-travel?
No.
Tomorrow is Freitag, and then it's Karfreitag, but that's different.
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erm
You sure you did in fact not smoke something weird?
robot-logic
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17:40
Or, in fact, anything at all?
@R.MartinhoFernandes You'll always be awesome in my heart.
And then there's the weekend, and then Ostermontag, and then the damned Montag again.
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And don't tell me this will be some lame pun on "freier Tag"
@Xeo No, it's just the end of the week.
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Okay, I see where you're going. You suck.
17:41
@R.MartinhoFernandes Guy Montag?
It workses! @R.MartinhoFernandes Do you even need notes?
@LucDanton I got mine working too.
Mentlegen.
@Telkitty Food is delicious
AWW DAMNIT
REPLYING TO THAT MESSAGE ERASED ALL MY CHAT HISTORY
q_q
17:54
@ThePhD Eh
Now I have to dig through the transcript...
@EtiennedeMartel The chat naturally truncates messages beyond a certain point once you reply / reach the bottom.
So upon saying something to Telkitty, I smashed my chat stack, so to speak.
Sounds reasonable.
I don't get the joke...
Modularity.
The top joke.
Anyway, if I were to try to hand-tweak the generated assembly, how could I then make it into a .exe? I know you can make, say, GCC, output the assembly, but I don't know from there.
17:57
It involves advanced technology you probably wouldn't understand.
@DogPlusPlus why is this starred
@melak47 I don't know. I did star it. Bandwagon syndrome?
@melak47 We have no idea.
I didn't star it.
I pity the fools that did.

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