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13:00
What the fuck is a universal reference? xd
I've heard people naming all sorts of stuff in C++ with their own personalized names.
The preprocessor better for versioning imo.
And then using those personalized names in their discussions of the language, while the rest of us find their words semantically void.
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people who don't believe in Easter Bunnies and Santa Claus still want Easter eggs and Xmas gifts - it is like a nun who fantasizes being a hooker
@StackedCrooked Yeah, it seems... I don't know - cleaner.
@DomagojPandža It's a T&& where T is a deduced type. Or something like that.
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13:02
How the fuck do I create a milestone in FogBugz.
@Telkitty I didn't think belief in Santa Claus was a prerequisite for taking time to show appreciation for those who matter to you
I think uref is quite a good name, actually. I would appreciate it if meyers came with a new term for RAII, teaching that to someone is horrible.
RAII is quite straightforward.
right
13:03
damn, but I find ubuntu quite irritating
their software manager crap couldn't even find Chrome
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@thecoshman was half joking :p
and I promptly realized that I have all my passwords in a KeePass database, which is .NET.
@DomagojPandža Scott Meyers invented the term universal reference.
@Telkitty Flawless analogy.
My reaction to actually having to do some work with Java is much like this
13:04
@thecoshman Don't you work with Java all the time?
@Telkitty cough. trying to
@DomagojPandža How is "Resource Acquisition Is Initialization" straightforward? I still don't get it.
@FredOverflow Ah, the template system. Well, yes. Since the templated && has a way to breakdown to both & and &&, it really could be called a universal reference.
@Insilico Turns out that my motherboard simply considers USB sticks as "hard drives" when it comes to booting- even though it has a separate category for "Removable device". Odd quirk but hardly fatal once you know it.
@StackedCrooked in theory yes, in practice I seem to have spent most of the past 6 months digging around in other shit related to the codebase
13:05
took Ubuntu forever to dick around with partitions
also, wtf, register account to use music player? f that
@bamboon It's a simple idea. Encapsulation and responsibility of ownership and cleaning your shit up as easily as possible. Before, there was no easy way to implement complex mechanics which can take care of their asses when they go out of scope.
@bamboon Resource Acquisition Is Initialization would make more sense if it meant that the constructor should fully initialize the object. (Which according to Alf is one of its original meanings.)
@Scrubbins why the new account puppy?
@Scrubbins that's because google doesn't want "in" on ubuntu repos! Instead google provide their own repos, but you'll have to download from google and it will automatically add those (IIRC)
@Scrubbins fairly sure that is to use ubuntu one
13:06
When it is initialized, resources are acquired. When it is out of scope, resources are returned to nature. Therefore, we live in harmony and as one with the computer.
Google Chrome is available from Ubuntu Software manager.
@thecoshman It's not new, else I wouldn't have rep :P but it's my "backup" account for what happens when I lose access to my main account (because I forgot that the password is in the keepass db).
@DomagojPandža Let's hug a tree.
@Scrubbins I think it makes sense. Anyways, Chrome is open source and there is obviously a Chromium browser in the repos, which is basically the same as Chrome, possibly without (evil) google account integration
@StackedCrooked I searched for "Chrome".
13:07
@DomagojPandža it's about the name
@Scrubbins You managed to, again?
@sehe No, it's just a question of installing Mono first.
@Scrubbins which explains why you did not find chromium
@StackedCrooked yeah, I thought about that, too, but that still lacks half of the story.
13:08
also
any hoops, dishes ¬_¬
@Scrubbins Why would you? Ubuntu lately starts coming with so much cruft. It takes me milliseconds to disable that cruft. But yeah, it hurts the eyeballs
@DomagojPandža Watch the video, it's awesome.
apt-get is so incredibly annoying
apt-get mono: fail.
apt-get mono-complete: success.
@Scrubbins ?! mono to get you passwords?
13:08
obviously I should have been psychic or someshit
@bamboon Btw, most people agree that RAII is misnomer.
I think RAII has a second synonim as well, to allude to the closing part of it.
@Scrubbins Ever tried download .NET framework from MSDN?
@sehe They're stored in an encrypted database, opened with a program which uses .NET.
@sehe ... for Ubuntu?
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13:10
@Scrubbins Nah. For windows. Comparison, you see?
How would you guys name the concept behind RAII?
@sehe Well, presumably, yes, else I wouldn't have been able to run it in the first place :P
You get to chose from 26 different downloads, of which only 7 are listed on the actual pages you found. It will turn out that those weren't the ones you were looking for, or (after your 100MiB download) it tells you to download+install SP2 first :)
@DomagojPandža Sanity.
@StackedCrooked yeah, people think you are a total scrub once you have finished saying it.
13:11
@Scrubbins No you didn't likely. Likely, you just got the cruft out of the box. Anyways, apt-get install keepassx
@DomagojPandža bind resource usage to object lifetime?
@DomagojPandža Cadre (j/k)
@sehe I tried apt-get install keepass.
apt-get, you suck.
@FredOverflow conveys the spirit but not enough buzz
@Scrubbins apt-get install keepa<TAB>
13:12
@Scrubbins apt-get? More like apt-you-suck.
sehe@desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install keepa<Tab><Tab>
keepalived    keepass2      keepass2-doc  keepassx
@bamboon Deterministic GC? :)
@Scrubbins you moan a lot
how the fuck do I run it but not attached to my existing terminal
the ubuntu software thingy lists it as installed but doesn't have a "Run" button.
13:13
the daemon d sometimes gives very interesting names.
I found a way to make an algebra parser using getline without using parsec
:D
Keep alived. :D
Start (winkey) 'keep' <Enter>
There is the option to "pin it to the launcher" or similar
@GamesBrainiac With a recursive descent parser?
@FredOverflow yup
13:13
That's always fun.
@FredOverflow It takes a long time though.
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@GamesBrainiac No.
I made the parse look pythonish
:P
I always used that feature in WIndows 7
13:14
Linux desktop generally sucks.
@GamesBrainiac Did you get your operator precedences right? Do 1+2*3 and 1*2+3 evaluate correctly?
Elite JavaScript ninjas. Cracks me up always.
@StackedCrooked Yeah. I guess. Windows is about as bad, IMO. For power users, the amount of tweaking required to get it to "work" nicely is astounding, even on Win7
there's something wrong with the keyboard
13:14
@FredOverflow Getting to that, but its all just a bunch of if statements! :D
the caps lock is unresponsive :(
@Fanael Are you talking about developer time or runtime? :)
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@FredOverflow The former, because who cares about the latter?
@GamesBrainiac You can bake the operator precedences into grammar.
@Fanael just checking
@Scrubbins hmm. Selected the right keyboard layout during setup? Did you select from a list or run the detection wizard?
13:15
I liked Windows XP.
@FredOverflow hmm, that's definitely buzzy
@sehe UK, UK.
@FredOverflow To bake operator precedences, you must first invent the Universe.
@StackedCrooked Me too.
it's not a layout problem, it's a responsiveness problem.
it's too slow to register
also, keepassx won't open my keepass db :(
13:16
@bamboon Garbage Coolection?
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From libstdc++'s basic_string doccomment:
@Scrubbins I like how, taken out of context, that sentence makes sense if you say it to a web developer
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   *  Documentation?  What's that?
   *  Nathan Myers <[email protected]>.
@Scrubbins Well, I guess you should know whether that's correct. Would be a tad surprising if Ubuntu got that layout wrong, I feel
@FredOverflow : pastie.org/6370656
I haven't done operator precedence yet,
but am getting to it
13:16
KeepassX is 1.x, use Keepass2. But KeepassX is lightweight and doesn't require .NET :)
Which is why I use it
@FredOverflow haha
wrestled with getting input right so far
I'm new, so it takes me a while! :P
Chrome crashed again argh
@CatPlusPlus Did you find the blackbox? Any survivors?
@FredOverflow : If you could give me some feedback on the code so far, I would be grateful
13:18
@GamesBrainiac How is that a recursive descent parser? I see neither recursion nor parsing.
@FredOverflow It descends? :Đ
@FredOverflow Then its not a RDP, its just something that solves algebra
Atleast thats what I want it to do
I have such a habit of using my Battle.NET password, I keep trying to use it to log in to basically everything.
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@FredOverflow I see parsing, but no recursion.
13:18
@DomagojPandža How do you descent without recursion? xD
just tried to log in to my Google account with it
@GamesBrainiac Loving the comments. Today, the mystery of #include <iostream> is finally revealed :)
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@FredOverflow void f() { g(); }
@Fanael I see a lexer.
@Fanael Hm, right. But I don't see that in the code :)
@sehe Cut me some slack, I'm doing this for the first time
13:19
alright
@FredOverflow : All I want to do is, if you enter 1 + 2 * 3, it will give you 7
Thats it for now, nothing too hard, then I will try out harder things.
@GamesBrainiac That's fine, just continue. If you hit a brick wall, read this.
@Fanael You can only construct finite state machines from non-recursive functions.
What if he has an unlimited number of functions? :)
@GamesBrainiac It's okay. It's just obviously funny for C++ programmers. I like how #include <algorithm> is "For simplifying certain processes" too
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13:21
@sehe I've just noticed that we're quite a mean little bunch of mockers. :D
@FredOverflow looks cool
you'd need one for every possible input.
i.e., infinite.
@DomagojPandža Sorry. A bit :|
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@DeadMG So what? It descends. Or ascends, depending on how the call stack is displayed.
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It's wonderful how somebody ever thought that formatting dates as mm/dd/yyyy was a good idea.
13:21
@GamesBrainiac Anyhoops: I like that you comment your work. That's a bonus
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What an idiot.
@Fanael Not far enough. If they're non-recursive then you can't descend arbitrarily, only a fixed amount.
which is a finite state machine.
@sehe Read that as "I like that your comments work." first :)
@sehe Thanks man. I hate it when I get a program, with no comments and have no friggin idea how it works.
@Zoidberg Predates computing. Why would it not be bad. It's just profile-guided optimized ordering.
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13:22
@sehe irrelevant.
@Zoidberg People are irrelevant for you. Whoa. Radical shit
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somewhat significant/most significant/least significant
The human factor.
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This makes no sense.
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It's as stupid as middle endian.
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13:23
@Zoidberg murkian endian
I've just seen the first harlem shake from Croatia. I'm officially sorry I was born here.
I was hoping we'd preserve at least that little bit of dignity and not make one of those pieces of shit.
all the harlem shakes I've seen are terrible.
@Zoidberg It makes sense. Not when you disregard all the relevant factors that guided it's evolution, of course.
they cut rather than do it all in one shot.
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It does not make sense.
13:24
@DeadMG I'm happy to report, I haven't seen one, yet. I've heard about it only on twitter
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Anyway, dates must be formatted with month spelled out.
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@Zoidberg 20130303
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Ewwwwwwwwwwwww.
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Which one is the month now?
13:24
@sehe What unicorns?
@Zoidberg Yeah, make it utterly unportable!
I would appreciate if you told them how much it sucks. In a mocking manner.
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5 January 2013 <- only decent date format ever.
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No.
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Yes.
13:25
@Zoidberg you'd have to localize that, which really sucks
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It's readable and everybody knows what it means.
@sehe I should probably learn C++ just so I can understand C++ jokes
Actually, the month / day / year is quite good in form of endianness because it allows seamless arithmetic.
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@NikiC in PHP, maybe.
Anyone up for ISO-dates? 2013-01-05
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13:26
@Zoidberg yeah, sure. Except the ~6 billion people who don't know English.
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(NikiC, please fix dates in PHP they really suck big black dick.)
@BoltClock This particular joke transcends programming languages.
@Zoidberg Nothing wrong with 05/01/2013 or similar.
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@DeadMG which is month? Nobody knows!
@Zoidberg In anywhere, because its usually not quite easy to figure out which locale you want...
13:27
@Zoidberg That's like, one day after my 21st birthday
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Cool.
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@NikiC user setting.
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doh.
@Zoidberg The middle because I'm not insane.
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You have to present context text in some locale too.
13:28
localization sucks donkey cock
(glad I could revive that one. The puppy has been dropping the ball lately)
@Zoidberg It would be so cool if people actually did that. And not try to fail like Google does with their fucking language guessing that never works right
@Zoidberg s/dates in/
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Eww double space.
also, you said "they" whereas I'd really need to replace "they" with "it".
@Zoidberg The DateTime ones?
13:28
but hey, that's not so important
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I just started using Mercurial.
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@NikiC date() and friends.
Oh god. Soon the whole world will be lobster-tainted
@Zoidberg the fuck are you using date()?!
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And strftime() not using the same format as POSIX API which everybody else in the entire fucking world uses. :P
13:29
It's function, right? Mark it "deprecated" if it's not supposed to be used
hmm
@Zoidberg .NET? Java?
"Unpacking libsexy2".
@DeadMG Python GUI widgets, IIRC
right
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13:30
I once wrote a backtrace library called libfuck because you use it when something crashes and you say "fuck!"
since I can't go play Starcraft 2, is there anything fun or unique about Linux with which I can occupy my time?
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POSIX API. :P
@DeadMG Build a compiler
lol
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13:31
Painless clang.
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NEGIX
I could install Clang and libc++ and fix my prototype so it compiles and executes with GCC on Linux.
@DeadMG Trying to figure which character you need to escape when using regex with sed.
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@sehe Hey, you can do that on Windows, too.
clang clang, clangity-clang shoo-bop; that's the way it should be-eeeeeeh, wahoooo yeah!
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13:31
@StackedCrooked Oh yeah!
@Fanael right. Needs citation
Perl may have a bad rap, but perl -pe is a damn fine alternative for sed.
@FredOverflow : How would you parse something like <= ?
@StackedCrooked ohh. that's low
also
what music playing applications do you nubbins recommend?
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13:32
iTunes.
fuck Ubuntu One Music
Its easy to do single line characters but its really difficult to do things like =>
Windows Media Player xd
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Maybe iTunes works in Wine. xD
Jan 4 at 1:31, by sehe
Perl is sane compared to sed/awk like critters.
13:33
@GamesBrainiac You have to maximal munch them in your lexer.
^ but don't let the Coffin hear you!
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Winamp ain't bad either but I think it's only for Windows and OS X.
@DeadMG On Linux I use rythmbox, it's not any good, but I haven't bothered looking any further.
Fuck Ubuntu One.
It's the cloud/apps extortion mechanism
I miss Winamp
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13:33
@DeadMG VLC?
@DeadMG O boy...maximal much. Yippee! :D
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@sehe hear
@Zoidberg That's a player only, not a library/organizer, IIRC
by the way
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@sehe it has media library.
13:34
@Zoidberg was fixed
what was that magic-string I had to put in to apt-get to get my GPU drivers, again?
I tried autocompleting from nvidia but didn't get anything
@DeadMG nvidia? sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
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Dammit sehe.
seems like autocomplete can only complete about the next three characters
13:35
@Zoidberg What?
if you have nvidia, it'll complete to nvidia-, but not nvidia-current.
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Y u so quick.
@DeadMG incantations is the term I use.
@DeadMG duh. <Tab><Tab> ?! Live on the edge!
@Zoidberg Sorry
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I'm bored.
13:36
Sorry
lol
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I need to have something to do that is very fun.
@Zoidberg Start a programming language.
Call krupuk (you have her number?)
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I should make a krupuk dispenser.
13:37
@GamesBrainiac You may want to read up on the maximal munch rule.
4 mins ago, by sehe
@StackedCrooked ohh. that's low
UAC really wasn't meant to run on a multiple display desktop.
cause
not only is this shit really laggy
13:37
grumble grumble grumble
but there's also some nasty artifcating on my screen
@jalf you too?
@Zoidberg Is your coliru frontend not fun anymore?
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I forgot.
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I should implement the share button.
13:37
So, I was in a mood to play some Battlefield 3 now. I opened up Origin after a few months and it started "patching" the game with a 3.5 GB "update".
You should at least make it so that the default configuration works. There's should be a default 'hello' program also.
@DomagojPandža trolololol
@DomagojPandža Welcome to Armoured Kill and Aftermath.
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Why the fuck is that starred.
Because it speaks volumes about your attention span
13:39
@Zoidberg So that you can sound like a senile, bald ass, old man out of context.
You're welcome.
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Projects by me y u never completed.
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cancel
so now how does one actually install the nvidia drivers?
the apt-get seems to have finished but.. nothing happened
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Something did happen: the drivers got installed.
13:40
I need to reboot anyway
could just be my CPU melting
that happens sometimes
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lolwot
@DeadMG There was a system utility for proprietary GPU drivers. Nvidia works, AMD just bricks the system.
@DeadMG either reboot, or C-A-F1, log in, sudo modprobe nvidia; sudo restart lightdm
Well, at least in the case of HD6990s. First world problems.
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Shall I write a porn site again.
13:42
@DomagojPandža jockey or something
@Zoidberg Didn't you already?
Xeo
Xeo
@sehe Yay, virtual TTY.
@Zoidberg emo porn? I found that recently, IIRC
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Yes that.
@Xeo In fact, S-A-SysRq-K might be enough (/cc @DeadMG)
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13:43
Once I actually wrote video uploader and viewer and it worked.
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A friend of mine uploaded a video titled "TORI BLACK DP".
No, the Beast is not Unleashed.
It's merely unwashed.
@Zoidberg that's not bad stuff. No sound though :) Might be a tad talkative
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13:44
Wat?
Xeo
Xeo
@sehe Whatever does that do?
@StackedCrooked not if detached, IIRC
The magic SysRq key is a key combination understood by the Linux kernel, which allows the user to perform various low-level commands regardless of the system's state. It is often used to recover from freezes, or to reboot a computer without corrupting the filesystem. Much like Sun Microsystems's Open Firmware (OpenBoot), this key combination provides access to powerful tools for software development and disaster recovery. In this sense, it can be considered a form of escape sequence. Principal among the offered commands are means to forcibly unmount file systems, kill processes, reco...
In practice, it should restart the X server on your VT
Xeo
Xeo
lol
@Zoidberg TIL the meaning of the acronym DP.
Xeo
Xeo
"Magic"
13:46
@StackedCrooked hint: there is more than one possible expansion
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@StackedCrooked :)
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I even had video thumbnails!
@sehe Yeah, needs namespaces.
not really. contextual semantic analysis is quite sufficient for me
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It got the first 20 seconds of the video, removed the sound and heavily compressed it and that was the thumbnail in the video index.
13:46
@Zoidberg A picture is worth more than a thousand words. I immediately understood.
Xeo
Xeo
@sehe No need for the shift, it seems.
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@StackedCrooked a moving picture, even.
@Xeo oh. possibly. somehow got to be a habit :|
@Zoidberg Yeah, there was lots of moving.
Xeo
Xeo
Which actually makes pressing the combination feasible xD
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13:47
It looked pretty cool.
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But I'm not sure how browsers other than Safari would react if there were fifty video thumbnails on one page.
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The files were small though; under 200 kB each.
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(Quality was terribru.)
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13:49
dat compression.
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WebM is an awesome format, by the way. WebM videos are small as fuck.
# proof that sed is retarded
~ $ echo 'ding ding dong' | perl -pe "s,d,\a,g"
ing ing ong # produces ding ding ding sound!
~ $ echo 'ding ding dong' | sed "s,d,\a,g"
aing aing aong # retarded
@Zoidberg Apropos fuck, how was your date? ;)
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It was le fun.
french?
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13:51
Wasn't really a date more like visiting her.
@FredOverflow 4chan
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@StackedCrooked is a great wobsite.
It's large indeed.
@Zoidberg Is that what the youngsters call it these days?
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user image
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13:52
Japanese people like to imitate the American dating culture.
@StackedCrooked It was quite a moving picture :)
There are instances where context can be ambiguous enough for trouble:
@sehe It moved me to tears.
Jan 25 at 7:42, by sehe
@Rapptz Possibly. That's a bad one indeed. The problem is compounded by the fact I'm not native english, so I probably never "wired" the original meanings of the words.
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Oh it's weekend that means NSFW material is allowed.
@DomagojPandža The nVidia drivers nearly bricked my system.
broke virtually everything.
13:53
@StackedCrooked "Avec une si belle main" ... "bien appuyer ses larmes" ?
Make sure sehe's daughter is not around. :D
no launcher, no bar at the top, couldn't detect my screens.. the works.
She is. Literally just standing here
I finally figured out that if I right clicked, I could get settings up and switch it back
@sehe How touching.
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13:53
I have a feeling she'll be a part of the next generation of Loungers. :D
They will quote the founding fathers of this magical place and spread legends.
I don't think so.
Get off my lawn
> textes anonymes du 17e s.
13:56
@CatPlusPlus I'm not on it! :P
@CatPlusPlus Reminds me of a Serious Sam commercial.
@sehe Is that your daughter singing?
@Zoidberg My daughter wants to know what it depicts
@StackedCrooked ... I'd have to pinch a bit harder
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@sehe her momma.
13:57
hmm
vlc sucks for playing music
@Zoidberg she can read. a bit
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Hallo.
@DeadMG agreeing. I use spotify these days. Quite ok
@DeadMG Does it?
@StackedCrooked I can't convince it to even show me a list of all the music I have.
13:57
@Zoidberg You don't honestly think I'm letting her, right?
it crashed when I tried to open a folder
@DeadMG Maybe you have none?
@DeadMG That's bad.
@DeadMG Darn
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@sehe letting her what.
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13:58
Read the text in this God forsaken place of doom?
@Zoidberg that too
@Zoidberg Exactly
afk
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@sehe She can't read English anyway.

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