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10:00 PM
@MooingDuck WTF.
 
@DeadMG making it POD can make it efficient. Not the initialization per se, but other operations
 
@GamErix You're just jealous of my beauty!
 
cc @Ell
 
@GamErix dafuq?
 
@GamErix You don't like hairy?
 
10:00 PM
just in time to watch this unfold :P
 
"I've got nothing against gay people. Nothing at all. Just stay out of my sight, because I deem you unseemly."
 
user1182183
@sehe i'm hairy too -.-'
 
user1182183
well my GF has nothing against hairy xD
 
@GamErix TMI
@TonyTheLion popcorn
 
10:02 PM
@sehe I challenge you to mortal combat, do you accept?
 
I was just watching an interview with Daniel Radcliffe. Interesting chap.
 
LET THIS BE OUR FINAL BATTLE!
 
@Crowz NACK
 
user1182183
@sehe NEVER.. ENOUGH
 
user1182183
just, the less you know the more you live
 
10:02 PM
Fellow Animals, I command ye, as your mighty king, to keep peace among you. :)
 
@sehe Nooo, TMI would be when he starts telling you about the distribution of hair!
 
@GamErix Wut.
Wut.
 
user1182183
or shall it be: the less you know, the less you say, the more you live ;x
 
@EtiennedeMartel You only just noticed?
 
10:03 PM
@EtiennedeMartel link fail
 
user1182183
@EtiennedeMartel pf and u are against gays? XD
 
@EtiennedeMartel oh gawd.
 
Wow, the topic in this room changed fast.
 
@GamErix When I feel down, I go out and punch homophobes in the throat.
 
user1182183
;x
 
10:05 PM
It's because I'm here ;D
 
plinking @thecoshman
 
@thecoshman attention, attention. You are being plinked!
 
I shall not plink @thecoshman!
 
@JerryCoffin That would yield 1 too much.
 
@thecoshman would hate to be on a submarine
too many pings
 
10:07 PM
@DeadMG What is VS11?
 
So, I've spent 3 hours on this thing and nobody gives a fuck
ohwell
 
@FredOverflow Yes -- I carefully said "close to" (and left a little for the reader to figure out...)
 
Xeo
Man, I just love the intro.
 
@kbok what thing
 
@FredOverflow Visual Studio 11.
 
10:08 PM
@kbok I give a fuck.
And I don't hand them often.
SO STOP WHINING AND EXPLAIN.
 
@DeadMG I thought there was only 3, 5, 8, 10 and 12?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, they don't grow on trees youknow
 
@kbok wauzer
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow oO
That's the year.
 
10:08 PM
@kbok They grow in my pubes.
 
@thecoshman: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=6193049#6193049 I think plinking shouldn't be optional
 
@FredOverflow Those are years, not versions.
 
it just so happened that VS10 was VS2010.
but VC11 = VC 2012
 
Hm, VS2012 ships with MSVC11.
 
10:09 PM
@FredOverflow I'm pretty sure there was a version 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, and 9. lol.
 
This is a RSS feed for bittorrent clients. It contains the most popular movies on TPB. You bittorrent client, given this, will automatically download them when they become popular (ie seeded enough)
3
 
Xeo
@DeadMG You're also confusing something, I think.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No -- it ships with VS 11, and VC 15.
 
If you're into blockbusters, that means nearly never manually downloading a movie again :)
 
@JerryCoffin What.
 
10:10 PM
@kbok Fuck blockbusters.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel The version number of VC++ in VS2012 is 15.xxx
 
Open a command line and type `cl` and see what version the compiler itself is:
Microsoft (R) C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 15.00.30729.01 for x64
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
 
@Xeo I'm prettu sure the compiler version is separate from the IDE version
 
@FredOverflow I can make a RSS feed for the least popular movies if you want :)
 
nah
 
Xeo
10:11 PM
@Insilico Yeah, I meant the one that's shipped with VS2012
 
Thanks, but I'm not that into movies, anyways :)
 
STL refers to it as VC11.
I think the 15 includes a bunch of stuff which we wouldn't count
 
Microsoft Visual C++ (often abbreviated as MSVC or VC++) is a commercial (free version available), integrated development environment (IDE) product from Microsoft for the C, C++, and C++/CLI programming languages. It has tools for developing and debugging C++ code, especially code written for the Microsoft Windows API, the DirectX API, and the Microsoft .NET Framework. History The predecessor to Visual C++ was called Microsoft C/C++. There was also a Microsoft QuickC 2.5 and a Microsoft QuickC for Windows 1.0. 16-bit versions * Microsoft C 1.0, based on Lattice C, was Microsoft's fir...
 
like maybe service packs
I mean, consider _MSC_VER, it's like, 1700 now
 
@Xeo So, wait. What is "Visual C++ 11.0"?
 
10:12 PM
Lattice C - hehe
 
@EtiennedeMartel Visual C++ 2012.
 
@EtiennedeMartel VS2012
 
Okay. So?
 
aaaarrhh
 
What's this 15 thing?
 
10:13 PM
@DeadMG The compiler version is based on the compiler proper. The predecessor to Visual C++ 1.0 was Microsoft C/C++ 7.0. Despite the environment starting at 1.0, the compiler didn't, so VC++ 1.0 shipped with version 8.0 of the compiler.
 
@EtiennedeMartel compiler version rather than IDE version
 
Oh. So you're all nitpicking, then.
OH WELL.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel Welcome to Lounge<C++>
 
@EtiennedeMartel I use 2010 as an IDE but 2005 as a compiler at work
 
Xeo
Since you seem to be new here, I refer to the newbie hints on the right. :P
 
10:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yes. Compiler version != IDE version != The year after the "Visual Studio" brand.
 
no matter how you call it, C++11 support still sucks
 
but it sucks less than anticipated. Huzzah!
 
Xeo
The November CTP helps a bit atleast, and makes you hope.
 
@bamboon VS2012 is a lot better though. variadics 'n stuff.
 
Xeo
Although, man, the variadic bugs..
 
10:17 PM
@bamboon You mean C++7? /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
@EtiennedeMartel don't do that
 
@EtiennedeMartel harhar yes
 
Just for example:
Visual Studio 2008
Version 9.0.30729.1 SP
Cl = 15
Visual Studio 2012
Version 11.0.50727.42
CL = 17
 
Is TOR browser actually secure?
 
no
 
10:25 PM
> I can't believe it's not piss
 
acualy is piss
 
@kbok Hmm. Care to back this up? One of my non-tech savvy friends came to me earlier today to talk to me about how "awesome" Tor was. I couldn't care much, but I would love to nip that one in the bud.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's anonymous, but not secure. You have to put SSL on top of it.
lol wine
"Mono has been installed ! Hang on, I'll install gecko now."
 
Define "anonymous"
 
10:33 PM
@Griwes His face... is ... disturbing
 
The source of your requests (ie you) can't be tracked
 
@Borgleader Now imagine a facebook group where there are six people with that image as profile picture.
Related:
It's madness.
 
he just looks like such a psychopath
 
Now THIS is disturbing.
 
FastCGI? Errhhgg.
 
10:38 PM
uhhh GNOME
 
You are GNOME.
It's KDE, dawg.
@EtiennedeMartel, you prefer CGI?
 
@Griwes I prefer not C++.
 
lol
It's KDE indeed
 
@EtiennedeMartel that's for toying, damn. You cannot have fun with programming these days, it seems.
 
Also... eRepublik? What.
 
10:39 PM
A game that used not to suck.
 
I used to play this, back in v1.0. Was one of the top damage dealers in eCanada.
 
Whoah.
 
We fucked those eHungarians, oh yes.
 
...
 
...eCanada ever had serious damage dealers? </troll>
 
10:40 PM
Very few, actually.
But we had some.
 
The only real achievement I ever achieved there (well, except being part of famous #epl troll group) was being ePolish Vice Minister of Education for 6 months ;P
And I wrote awesome PHP script managing mentoring program.
 
I was slightly more active than the average two clicker, but I ended up playing for almost a year before stopping. I disliked the v2 immensely.
 
It's even worse now.
And that's an understatement.
 
I think it all boils down to when they tried to monetize the shit out of it.
 
Yeah.
 
10:44 PM
For me, the turning point is when they removed gifts as well as the ability for hospitals to restore more than what you spent in wellness that day.
It's like they really wanted us to buy gold.
 
And Lana.
Don't forget that bitch.
:D
 
What the hell is an ADL barrier :(
 
"Look! Tits!"
 
Good ol' days.
 
I think the thing that really made the game fun for me was that some of my friends were playing it as well.
So we talked about it.
We all stopped playing almost at the same time when the v2 came.
 
10:48 PM
@kbok ADL is argument dependent lookup. An ADL barrier would apparently prevent that.
 
Ell
Have any of you ever recruited for a hobby project?
I guess like kyrostat. But you knew everyone there
 
@Ell I tried many times, but no luck
 
I'm part of a project right now. We're six people. I personnally know all of them.
 
People want to work on their own stuff I guess
 
Ell
Ive wanted to clone a game for like, forever
 
10:50 PM
Oh well. GIMP has image template called "Toilet paper".
 
@Ell What is it ?
 
Ell
But I don't have the will power :P I need a team to support me
@kbok did you ever play "Trade Empires"?
 
Nope
 
Ell
I can send you a copy via torrent if you wish
 
I don't have much time to play games, sorry :)
Is it some kind of Caesar game ?
 
Ell
10:52 PM
It's a strategy game, about supply & demand, setting up trade routes. but not so strategic that you have to spend hours calculating numbers
Fair enough :)
 
I see
 
Ell
You basically set up routes between settlements, raw material farms and production buildings. But if it was cloned and could be online I think it would be awesome
Because you can set up routes between other merchant families
 
@Griwes this is obviously in response to so many people taking a shit on it, whithout ever actually using it
 
I think it's totally doable for a 1-person team to build a small-ish clone
But you need experience for sure
 
Ell
Yeah I think its doable, but I don't think I have the perceverance
 
user1804599
10:55 PM
Hello.
 
You need to keep the things fun for you :) That's the tricky part
 
Ell
I've tried before, made a tiny bit of progress then just not been able to carry on
Yeah :/
 
If you always have a fun thing to do then you won't see the hours passing
 
Ell
I seem to hit a block when it comes to UI
 
But you need a great deal of exp/knowledge to be able to build that without friction, that's super important
I made my first game clone some years ago, and it was the fourth/fifth attempt at this kind of stuff. I managed to get something playable, nice looking and fun
took me ~60 hours I guess
 
Ell
10:57 PM
Yeah, and there's actually making the assets. A game has a lot of content as well as programming
 
Just use the game's assets for a start
 
Ell
well, the problem is the original is isometric
 
If you're planning to distribute it then you'll have to make your own, but that won't be an issue before you're really deep in it
 
Ell
I want the clone to be 3d so I can pan and stuff
 
Oh, you want 3d ?
 
Ell
10:58 PM
Yeah.
 
Oh well :)
This is like 3x harder
 
Ell
Haha. I will keep trying thiugh
 
And you can start with colored cubes but no-one will get interested and that'll suck
 
Ell
It's not really much 3d
 
The really cool part is when you start showing it to people and they find it cool. It really gives you the drive to continue
You won't get that if you cobble a bunch of cubes together :(
Well minecraft did but that's a whole different story lol
 
Ell
11:00 PM
Yeah I guess. It's my dream though :P
Haha yeha it is
 
Good luck then :)
 
Ell
The 3d was really just for being able to navigate across the map easier
It's nothing special
Thank you very much :)
 
@Ell Dwarf Fortress with graphics and a simple UI
 
Ell
@kbok this is as far as I got: i.imgur.com/5Qss8.png basically placing a building on a map. The building is much much too big and oddly lit, and the map texturing is aweful but after that point I gave up :L
 
how I feel after a US election ^
 
11:05 PM
@TonyTheLion :( yes
 
Ell
Dwarf fortress is similar to the game I'm describing?
 
@Ell not even remotely. It's the game I've wanted to clone
 
Ell
Ohh I see
I've never played dwarf fortress
Maybe ill write my game in java.
 
11:07 PM
@Ell Dwarf Fortress is like Sim City except everyone dies.
 
Ell
Haha sc3k was an awesome game
I need to find A simple 3d engine
Or do simple and 3d just Not mix ?
 
What's everyone doooooin'?
 
@Ell C++ OSS 3D engines suck
@Ell Maybe you should try your luck with UDK
 
11:39 PM
@Ell Dwarf Fortress is like Sim City + Sims. You have dwarves, which you can give professions to, and you can set up tasks, but the dwarves will get to the task after their lunch, nap, party, dinner, and chasing a small child. Also, there's monsters everyhwere that will eat Dwarves alive.
Also they become friends, and so if one of them decides to wrestle a zombie whale by hisself and dies, the rest go berserk and kill each other and destroy the only stairwell and then the guy who made the stairwell commits suicide.
Also there's no visible buttons so controls are like VIM: CTRL+left arrow+F7 is "copy" or whatever.
 
Ell
Wow, sounds hectic But awesome
 
So, essentially, it's a game filled with fake dificulty and poor design?
 
Ell
what kind of graphics?
 
Ell
Ooh not sure I could deal with that
 
11:46 PM
@Ell few can
 
I tried a bit some time ago and it was nice. But I can't afford to play that kind of game anymore (the kind which eats a lot of time)
 
Everyone ready for the velocirapture?
 
Ell
Pardon?
 
user1357851
@kbok lol I see why you don't have that much time anymore ... after spending it all here :p
 
@EtiennedeMartel No.
 

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