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@StackedCrooked LRU gets pretty expensive. It's not bad for 2 way set associative caches, and manageable for 4 way set associative, but usually prohibitive above that. There are lots of different approximations of LRU, that have kind of the usual tradeoff between accuracy and speed. And then there are completely different non-LRU policies that can work well, depending on usage pattern. Some use stack- or FIFO-like behavior, and a lot try to have some adaptability.
 
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@JerryCoffin it's a lot more complicated than that, at least on modern CPUs. I know I've been lectured by one person on this site about the internal IO buffers that are microarchitectural specific that only apply when doing certain operations etc. It can get rather crazy. But unless you're doing top500 benchmarks, or trying to push way beyond what current CPUs can do that usually doesn't matter that much. Are there people that care? Yes.
@Mgetz Yes, I certainly wasn't trying to say that was the whole iceberg (so to speak), just that although many make some attempt at sort of LRU-like behavior, almost nobody even tries to actually do real LRU. Beyond that, yes, it gets complex. Which was pretty much the point I was trying to make earlier: a lot of it isn't documented, because documenting it accurately is next to impossible and too few people care to justify the work.
 
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@JerryCoffin "If I do twice the work they'll give me a raise"
@Mikhail That's definitely a fantasy all right. Most places, raises are more likely from getting better at office politics (and working half as much).
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thats also a fantasy, in the sense people believe they can get promoted to their manager's job etc
another one: equity in a startup where you're not a founder
@Mikhail Getting the manager's job, not likely. Biggest raises going to lazier/less competent people though...that's actually fairly common (at least in my experience).
@Mikhail Yeah, I fell for that idea once (but not for terribly long--less than a year, anyway).
05:54
@JerryCoffin I've gotten a lot lazier over the past 3 years. Wish me luck.
I feel like all I have to do lately is sit in meetings and occasionally say something pseudo intellectual.
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@StackedCrooked I worry about the company's health when that starts to happen. Big companies can get by for a long time, but smaller ones usually need to stay pretty aggressive, or somebody else is likely to come along and steal their market. As I recall, you guys have most of an IP stack of your own though. If my memory of that is correct, that's probably a bit beyond what most startups will try to compete with, no matter how aggressive they might be.
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@JerryCoffin I worry too. Surprisingly the company is doing pretty well. It's carried by the people that care, I guess. I care as well. If only we could get rid of the jokers.
And the IP stack is 95% me.
07:35
@StackedCrooked That's one of the biggest problems you run into with rewarding poor people--their lack of contribution affects others. All too quickly, you have nobody left who really even wants to contribute much, because it's clear that it isn't rewarded (and sometimes barely even noticed).
07:54
@JerryCoffin Yes.
I like to do real work.
 
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@StackedCrooked In an interesting bit of timing, I just got kind of scolded for (at least as I interpret things) failing to take purely internal procedures seriously enough, and focusing too much on customers instead. They have a performance evaluation form, where you rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 5 on each of half a dozen (or so) parameters, and it has a space for comments for each. I'd filled out "technical knowledge" as a 5, and added a comment that I'd been studying what was new in C++23.
@JerryCoffin Wait, you were scolded for focusing too much on customers after you've been studying C++23? Or are those two not connected?
During the meeting they pointed out that many more junior engineers had listed 8 to 10 items, so they felt I needed to list more than that. Without thinking much, my response was to ask if they thought I should reduce that to a 4 instead. They replied that oh no, everybody agreed that 5 was the right rating. I just needed to put more time and effort into filling out the form because that became part of my "permanent record..."
Now you're just bragging about yourself :)
I don't mind though.
@StackedCrooked No, I'm honestly not. Mostly they weren't sure how many items I should list, but something about "but more than 10", and it somehow reminded me of the scene in Office Space where the restaurant manager is talking to Jennifer Aniston's character about how many items of "flare" she's wearing...
Yeah not to mention if you were wearing all the items of "flare" nothing would actually happen advantageous
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As far as technical proficiency goes, being rated 5 there isn't really bragging at all. A couple of years ago we had some software that worked fine when people tested it with two copies of the program talking over localhost, but failed miserably when you ran it in real life. I looked it over and finally realized that they were communicating via TCP, but treating it as if it were framed instead of streaming.
@JerryCoffin I didn't know about this scene. But thanks for sharing.
And thanks for Jennifer Aniston.
Correct operation depended on one call to read reading the same amount of data as had been sent in one call to write. Which apparently does happen over localhost, but certainly not in general.
@JerryCoffin Ouch.
@StackedCrooked Can't thank me for her. If I could, I'd keep her for myself... ;-)
@StackedCrooked Yeah. I'm pretty sure any documentation of sockets says you can't depend on that but...
@JerryCoffin I don't even get how one would expect a socket to behave like that.
@JerryCoffin I wouldn't mind. Seems like an appropriate coupling to me.
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@StackedCrooked I honestly have no idea. I thought it was pretty common knowledge that this was one of the big differences between TCP and UDP.
idk, i've written tcp/udp code before and I have no clue how to do it :-)
notice that I put a slash between the two :-)
@Mikhail In TCP you need to put some kind of delimiter between messages, or a length field, or something that tells you when a message ends and a new one begins.
In UDP packets sent are received individually.
@StackedCrooked That's harder to guess. A lot of the parts she plays are relatively nice people, but maybe that's just good acting.
@StackedCrooked ...if they're received at all.
Oh my goodness! Ettiene's here too. It's like old home week. :-)
@JerryCoffin I feel like she's a good person. I'm pretty confident about it.
@StackedCrooked Might well be. I don't spend time following celebrity gossip and such, so I really don't know one way or the other.
16:01
Same.
Hi Etienne! Sorry for misspelling your name above.
16:27
"here" is saying much
It's opened in a tab somewhere just in case something needs my intervention
But I don't participate in the conversation, really
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, okay. Yeah, I hadn't noticed you around in quite a while.
I'm on the Discord now, it's where all the cool kids are
It seems there is no channel for golang.
17:02
@JerryCoffin long time no see
 
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@Tarun I use reddit.com/r/programmingcirclejerk for most of my Go related discussion

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