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@sehe Good idea to do it in Malbolge. Would actually make for a damn challenge.
APL would be ok, I guess
Hi Jerry
You know what'd be a challenge. Doing it on a turing machine (is there a name for that?)
Oh wait, I once started to write my own photo blog website with PHP and MySQL... boredom nearly killed me... never finished it.
@daknøk If you have several years to do it.
@sehe Hello.
14:00
@LuchianGrigore Brainfuck.
I like Python and Haskell and C++ and JavaScript is OK.
@LuchianGrigore Yeah. It's called sado masochism
Has anyone ever written a website (or something really web-related) using C++ ?
Many people.
@ereOn of course...
14:01
@Luchian, All computers are turing machines aren't they?
I mean : people here.
@ronalchn no, but they're equivalent.
@ereOn Yup
@ereOn I believe there is some framework ( or two ) for that.. yes?
Did you use some specific libraries ?
14:01
@Chimera Klone, PoCo HttpServerPage and fastcgi come to mind
@sehe "Sado" would only be if (for example) you gave that as an assignment to your students. Deciding to do it voluntarily would be pure masochism.
@Luchian, since a Turing machine is just a concept, I'd say computers are Turing machines (with the exception of limited memory)
@JerryCoffin Thanks for the precision
@ronalchn Strictly, you can use various schemes to extend the amount of memory used. I believe that the amount available under those schemes is, relatively speaking, infinite.
@ereOn just fastcgi - that is, for professional application. As you'd imagine the services were really really small
14:03
@sehe Anal retentiveness: bringing pointless precision to your life longer than you want to think about! :-)
Fun experiment: go through your tags and find the highest-scoring one that you have no idea what it is. - arduino
@JerryCoffin It hellps you through a dull day
@sehe: Ok.
@DeadMG, still, computers can be referred to as Linear bounded automatons - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_bounded_automaton instead of Full Turing machines
14:04
I really love and enjoy C++, but when it comes to writing web apps, I always found it less efficient than say, Python or Ruby.
@ereOn I have played with the other two I mentioned. And on the other end of the scale (everything at the client) there's Emscripten and Google NaCl
Perhaps I'm not using the right tools/libraries
@ronalchn I don't really give a shit about that.
@ronalchn Yes, but it's better not to do that -- they get mad at people who call them names like that.
@ereOn It isn't the right tool, duh
14:06
@JerryCoffin, oops, I'll say sorry to my computer, in case its feelings are hurt
morning everyone :)
C++. Brace yourselves.
@NikiC you too
@NikiC: Morning ? It's 4 PM here.
@NikiC Morning ? It's 4 PM here.
14:07
In Soviet Russia...
@ereOn Here too ;) But I define the time when I enter a chatroom as "morning" :P
oO
Because it's a different time for everyone anyway :)
Ah of course. You just woke up.
@LuchianGrigore cross-reference
14:08
I never wake up : my life is like a dream.
@daknøk Copy cat
what the fuck is that as a tag?
srsly
@daknøk Nah, I just spent six hours in university ;)
So I consider myself sleeping all the time.
I am sleeping all the time.
14:09
@DeadMG for a question about ptx?
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@LuchianGrigore Order his questions by votes. On the fourth page (of 17), we're down to the score of one per question, on the sixth down to zero, the last four pages are negative votes. Only one in 40 people looking at his most-upvoted question upvoted it, but he also managed to get a score of -4 for a question with 3.6k views. These are all very bad signs, IYAM.
@NikiC Good Morning. And yes, for me it is actually morning.
@LuchianGrigore I haven't played around with an Arduino, but it's an embedded platform that uses modular shields to add hardware functionality and is generally programmed with a weird language based on "Wiring" and usually based around some ATmega uProcessor,
@sehe No? What makes you think that has anything to do with it? It was some guy trying to do class A { B b; }; class B { A a; };
@DeadMG It deals with crossreferences
14:11
@sehe It's some Unix crap. I wouldn't answer such a question
@DeadMG Ah. reading comprehension fail
@DeadMG I know. It wazza joke. Dawg
does QString have anything equivalent to std::back_inserter ?
@DeadMG unix and crap don't belong in the same sentence you heathen!
@Chimera Windows is crap and UNIX isn’t.
14:12
@Chimera You're right. It's like saying that a bird has feathers- kinda redundant.
@daknøk Here it goes again...
@DeadMG heh
@daknøk Well, I never said Windows was crap. I like Windows and Unix.
Plan 9 is fun also.
OSes are crap.
@sbi The first bad sign was the question IMO :)
Is it just me or do the C++11 constexpr functions suck more than necessary?
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14:14
@LuchianGrigore Towards the end of the second page of tags there's , about which I recently didn't know even what it is. Interesting, though, that SO finds no postings of mine with that tag
@sehe Do I foresee a WideOS?
And god knows how many crap questions he had deleted till then
@sehe Can be. At my last job we wrote a rather complicated embedded system without an OS. Just bare metal C... was interesting.
@Chimera Then, by definition, you wrote crap to make up for the lack of OS
@NikiC Elaborate, maybe
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14:16
@LuchianGrigore That's one thing I also thought already. FWIW, after posting the same question thrice, and showing a permanent resistance towards learning, I have flagged the mods to have a look at that guy.
@Chimera, I don't think embedded systems ever have OS's?
No, they only run Linux.
@ronalchn So, what does your phone run?
@sehe No actually it was quite neat. Each "process" was nothing more than a state-machine. The main loop called all the processes in a loop. each process then executed one state and returned. It was a cheap way of doing cooperative multitasking
@KonradRudolph In particular the one-return-statement-and-nothing-else restriction.
14:17
Is a phone an embedded system? It has microprocessors...
@NikiC Well, there are some pretty damn good reasons for that
@ronalchn The smaller ones usually don't, but a lot do. Some use a lightweight multitasking executive and the larger ones use full blown Linux and Windows CE etc.
(tractability to prevent the compiler from crashing …)
Aren't embedded systems ones that have what are referred to as "microcontrollers" instead?
@ronalchn Embedded is growing more powerful now that we talk about it.
14:19
@ronalchn Well, the term "embedded systems" has more than one meaning. But yes, a lot of embedded systems use microcontrollers instead of standard general purpose CPUS.
@KonradRudolph I tried to understand those reasons, but didn't really manage to. There are two questions about that on SO, but neither seems to have convincing reasons :/
Well, ARMs are considered embedded, and they are pretty powerful
@BartekBanachewicz Correct.
@NikiC Hmm. Somebody (either Bjarne or Herb) once explained the reasons in a presentation on Channel 9
In fact the Beagle and PandaBoards are ARM based.... the PandaBoard is nearly as powerful as a low end laptop.
14:23
@KonradRudolph Wasn’t that the clang developer?
Who feels neglected and would like three upvotes?
It was extremely difficult to implement that, he said, because you’d need a C++ interpreter.
I feel like going through and finding 3 worthy questions/answers.
@KonradRudolph That would be very interesting to watch
@daknøk And compiling + running it is not possible?
@NikiC ?
Ooh.
Maybe.
14:27
I kinda thought that it would do so anyway
It would just evaluate the expression at compile-time.
Compiling it would be possible but it would be so slow.
@daknøk Argh, it probably was. Chandler.
@Chimera The definition changes (a lot) over time as well -- ignoring other parts, the CPU itself on a Pandaboard is probably faster than a Cray-1 was for most tasks.
(or was it in the q’n’a session? I really don’t remember)
@JerryCoffin Yay, pandaboard. I am going to buy one of those, actually. Panda, Pi or Beagle.
14:29
@KonradRudolph oh wait yes it was the Q&A session, but the clang developer explained that constexpr functions were the hardest part to implement of all, and that it took several months.
@KonradRudolph Watching this now: channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/… Sounds about right
@BartekBanachewicz That's not unique to a Pandaboard -- a typical current cell phone probably now has more total processing capability than a Cray-1 did.
It was just a random comment, actually ;)
@NikiC No, it was GoingNative. I think @daknøk is right, it was in the q’n’a session
I am always right. I’m not a communist.
14:31
@JerryCoffin That is true. The "traditional" definition of an embedded device is a system that is designed to perform one function, such as an ATM machine, and not be easily re-programmable
@KonradRudolph ? Pointing out the redundancy of "machine"?
Since nobody volunteered to get more rep I will pick a lucky person and find some worthy questions/answers to upvote.
At the moment machine.
14:33
@KonradRudolph :-)
@Chimera Just visit my profile page.
@daknøk Ok you and Jerry are the winners
aight
@Chimera Oh -- thank you. But there are others to whom some extra rep probably means a lot more than it does to me. He's not around at the moment, but perhaps @Drise?
@JerryCoffin Yes, Drise gets a lot from me.
14:36
So I’m reading several web comics and almost half of them were unreachable today, or I got served a malware warning when visiting the site. Weird.
@Chimera Okay, fair enough.
To avoid the serial upvote filter, can I only do 3 votes total ( or 3 for one person )?
@Chimera Nobody knows.
@BartekBanachewicz My Pi arrived last week. Sadly it didn't arrive to the place I am right now...
@JerryCoffin not all of them are NSFW ;) (typo fix’d)
14:38
@R.MartinhoFernandes łał. I'm jelous right now. I need to find a store that ships to Poland for a reasonable price.
@KonradRudolph Ok, well, Jerry and daknok both had some really good answers, and they have been rewarded. :-)
@Chimera They're pretty careful to not reveal the details publicly (otherwise it'd be easy to work around). AFAIK, if you spend some time actually reading and only up-vote those that seem deserving, you're unlikely to hit the filter.
@JerryCoffin Oh yeah, I don't give upvotes randomly.
@Chimera Thank you.
@Chimera I just upvote whatever I think deserves it and sometimes this happens to hit serveral answers of the same person in a row (e.g. when looking through their profile). I just hope that that doesn’t trigger the filter. No idea if it ever did
14:39
And I don't do it for kick backs either.
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@BartekBanachewicz I built myself a very cheap Pi in July. It didn't last long, though.
@Chimera Upvote me so I’ll upvote you
@Chimera Thank you.
oh, guys, guys, guys! We should, like, totally do a mutual upvote network
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Erm.
@sbi Sadly, it has all the processing power of... @DeadMG? :P
14:40
hey
Hmm, maybe that's too far.
@KonradRudolph Hrm, that's a long talk :/
@sbi This deserves so many stars
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@R.MartinhoFernandes No. Full of organic molecules, and we all know those have incredible processing power.
@NikiC Sorry :/
14:41
@sbi I wonder if it would work with Ice Cream Sandwich
@KonradRudolph that would probably violate the spirit of the site and lessen the value of reputation.
how big does a mutual upvote network have to be, to not be detected as one?
@Chimera And get us all a big fat boot on your big fat asses and on my dull plastic ass.
SeatSaver network!
(for those of you who get an obscure reference to The Guild)
Still on my to watch list.
14:43
@ronalchn Not bigger than yo momma, for that would be impossibru.
This is my best answer yet.
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A: 4-bit LCD with C code

ChimeraHere is the flowchart the details all the steps required to initialize that LCD controller in 4 bit mode.

accepted 0's look bad
instant score of 3
lol four upvotez already
I was trolling through and it was a few months old. Didn't expect an accept.
14:44
4 now...
lol thanks all..
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@KonradRudolph It had half a dozen, but it's now, two months later, off the starboard nevertheless. You can, however, still promote the idea. Smug look.
For the record that isn't why I shared the link, but thanks.
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@BartekBanachewicz In the sumer? Only for a very short time.
Now I just want that badge for 10 upvotes..
:-)
14:46
Contributing
@FredOverflow Oh I dunno. Ask the OP? ;-P
@LuchianGrigore ?
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@Chimera I am tempted to downvote just because of that blatant lie.
hi all
@sbi No really, it's true... see the message I posted after the link, before I realized it was being upvoted.
14:47
was up my g's
@sbi I may be a jerk at times, but I don't lie.
why oh why did I just read "nahptr"
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@Chimera There! Another lie!
@Chimera so it's OK, as long as you say beforehand that it's not OK? :))
@sbi LOL!
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14:48
@nahpr Girlfriends are next door.
nahptr ha!
@sbi I'm gay.
...that was awkward.
j/k
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@Chimera Ha! Now that I have pointed it out, he grins nervously.
@sbi Next door from what? The ISS?
14:49
@LuchianGrigore lol... my intentions are pure.. :-)
@Chimera pure virtual, nah nah
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh c'mon! I was much more specific than he was.
stop the memz
14:49
internet humor is ruining the internet
brb filling my stomach with fooddzzz
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@thecoshman "Gay" does not mean he wants to be fucked by cheese.
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@BartekBanachewicz STOP ALL THE MEMES!
@sbi I see what you did there.
14:50
@sbi Gay means happy, and fag is a cigarette
Boy, that escalated quickly...
Not anymore
Both mean homosexual, often male.
@sbi ¬_¬
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@LuchianGrigore Yeah, I know. At that level you can still follow our thoughts.
@R.MartinhoFernandes still, gaiety is in its original form, right?
14:51
@R.MartinhoFernandes more importantly, one is highly offensive
@sbi I was actually talking about the previous one.
Anybody read this book? Is it any good? A friend gave it to me a few years ago before I was really interested in learning C++.
do I have to pay to change my avatar?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I would star that, but then we have just another dumb jpg link on the starboard. If someone could post it in textual form, though... Oh, wait.
@nahpr no.
@LuchianGrigore well, he could buy every Lounge member user bacon.
@KonradRudolph The interesting part was at 16 minutes. I think I roughly get it now. Basically you already need half a year to implement constexpr in it's current form and doing any more would be suicide ^^
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@LuchianGrigore So?
14:53
Just ignore me :(
@LuchianGrigore Never!
@nahpr no
Amazed you will be!
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@Chimera A few facts: 1. I didn't read it. 2. Horstmann was known for knowing a thing or two about C++ back in the 90s. (I think he was the first to implement an STL with safety belts in debug mode. He wrote articles, IIRC.) I don't know how this extends to his abilities to writing such a book. 3. Nobody has ever suggested this book for the book FAQ.
I was wondering, how is your coding flow? Do you make whole classes and function and then let the compiler guide you in typos or such, or do you make small changes at a time?
@sbi Ok thanks... I will finish Accelerated C++ before reading this book then.
@nahpr what, you can't write the full code from the first try?
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14:57
@LuchianGrigore You want to get slapped with a cold, wet, stinking fish?
nope! :(
I alternate between five minutes writing test code, twenty minutes writing feature code, and sixty-five minutes chewing through the error messages.
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/alternative/alternate
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@Chimera AC++ is a very good beginner's book if you can cope with its learning curve. Also, it doesn't limit itself to OOP.
regex ftw!
14:58
@thecoshman Oh boy, that's quite humiliating.
I don't mean the typo, I mean you noticing.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see. Thank you.
@nahpr Code more.
that's just mean
@sbi Yeah, I'm reading it now. I think I can handle the learning curve. I've been writing C code and other languages for over 20 years....
@thecoshman Oh. Sorry if I took that joke too far :'(
14:59
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you ever stop to think I might be upset by the constant bullying over my poor spelling? I'm not, but do you ever think that it might upset me?

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