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4:35 AM
I glanced over a few reddits on programming, it saddens me they upvote "stackoverflow: the worst place to ask questions". But then again the entirety of reddit saddens me.
 
5:21 AM
Somewhat saddening, but not really surprising.
 
5:45 AM
posted on May 20, 2020 by Herb Sutter

I try hard to always ask for feedback on drafts of my talks and articles, and I always learn important things from the responses, including especially things I omitted but should include so as to pre-answer audience questions. Just like the best support call is the one the customer doesn’t have to make because they … Continue reading Of feedback, and little things →

 
 
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8:07 AM
I thought reddit is mostly for LOLz. But then again I don't really use reddit.
 
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Reddit = troll training website ... possible.
 
8:33 AM
I have a question:

How does one get employed (remotely/ otherwise) in tech. without a CS Bachelor's degree?
Or is that even possible?
Sorry the question's out of the blue but I'm curious. It seems as though there's only one path to actually getting paid for any skills in Computing Science...
 
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[x] Needs more focus
This question currently includes multiple questions in one. It should focus on one problem only.
 
@Lapys most employed Programmers I know without CS degrees have either
1. done an apprenticeship (probably not a thing in the US)
2. done open-source work
3. started in a small company with people the knew/their friends knew (and used that experience to move on later)
 
@PeterT So if someone who's unemployed and got no formal degree wanted a paying profession, they'd have to
- be "lucky" to be in an apprenticeship that's legitimate enough,
- work in a legitimate enough open-source project (like on GitHub?)
- or be "lucky" enough to offer their services to "small" companies
 
I was just saying what the people I know did, I'm not saying this is the only way
 
@Lapys I have no degree, and I've worked full time as a programmer for years. But it probably helps that I started out decades ago when the field was fairly new and degrees probably meant a bit less. Building up substantial rep on SO has also been pretty helpful.
 
8:43 AM
@PeterT Ah, curious
@JerryCoffin Would you say the same way you got into the job market would still work today, though?
 
@Lapys I'm really not sure, but my guess would be yes. At the same time, you need to be prepared for a lot of rejection. Last time I got a new job (a little over a year ago), I sent my resume out to around 25 (maybe 30--didn't keep close count) people. Of those, fewer than a half dozen got back to me at all.
 
Hello!
 
@Lapys But, to succeed, you probably need something to give a strong indication of competence. High rep on SO works for me. A few solid, widely used projects on Github could work just as well (and are probably a little quicker/easier way to get something that can give employers a warm fuzzy).
@BartoszKP Hi there.
How are you lately?
 
I'm fine - thanks! Almost fine - I'm back working with C++
And how are you?
 
Rather the same. Except I'm really up past by bedtime...
Well, not "back" working with C++ though--I never stopped.
 
8:54 AM
Ah, right :) Are you UTC-7?
 
-8. Oh, but we're on summer time, so yeah, -7.
 
The period when you haven't switched to summer time and we did is always a lot of confusion&fun
 
How 'bout if we just eliminate that nonsense completely and be done with it?
 
I would love that!
 
There being no objections, motion carries!
 
8:57 AM
Also all the companies who don't trust their developers and just shutdown their systems for the night when DST shift occurs :o
 
Yay! No more time zones :-)
 
Let's not get ahead of ourselves
 
Wait...what? No, we just eliminated shifting time during the summer, not time zones in their entirety.
 
@JerryCoffin Alright, thanks for sharing. This really helped add some perspective
 
We'll live like our forefathers, without night and day, in caves lit by dim cellphone light!
 
8:59 AM
@Mikhail Cell phones don't go dim (as long as your cave is equipped with sufficient USB-C jacks, anyway).
Anyway, it now being 0200, I probably need to get some sleep.
Later all.
 
Good night!
 
Later
 
 
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10:41 AM
Microsoft admits they have too much free time.
 
nwp
Does address sanitizer work on Windows yet?
 
10:58 AM
Yeah, although some libraries like Qt fail, making it somewhat less useful.
Also don't know if they added x64
 
 
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1:13 PM
@nwp VS now allegedly ships with a version yes
 
nwp
That's really cool actually. The main reason why I switched to Linux is address sanitizer.
And the rest of the tools.
 
 
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2:39 PM
I just wrote return (/* something */); where the parentheses were significant
 
nwp
Does it involve a function with decltype(auto) as the return type?
 
yes
It was decltype(expression) at first
 
user1804599
3:17 PM
Be sure not to write an explanatory comment so that the next maintainer will have just as hard a time understanding the code as you had coming up with the code.
 
3:31 PM
There won't be a next maintainer
 
4:04 PM
"It's only a demo, we will not maintain it, so please go ahead and cut corners"
 
nwp
I might put //parenthesis required behind the first occurrence, but that's it. It's just like S() = default; //default constructor. If the reader doesn't already know it the comment isn't helpful, so it's just bad. I wouldn't call that cutting corners.
 
tbh there are so many redundant parenthesis used here and there in return expressions that you can't expect people to just know when they are meaningful without such a comment
 
4:24 PM
I'm mocking "there won't be a next maintainer", not giving the comment or not
But that is just tongue in cheek, since I obviously don't have enough context :)
 
 
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6:30 PM
My library is already an horrible template mess and not really useful, so I'm confident enough in the fact that there won't be a next maintainer :p
 
@Mikhail That link is utterly mangled.
 
6:57 PM
posted on May 20, 2020 by Herb Sutter

A few minutes ago, I announced to the ISO C++ committee that all our meetings originally planned for 2020 have been postponed. We had already postponed the Varna meeting originally planned for June 1-6, and earlier today INCITS (the U.S. national body) announced that it was banning all face-to-face standards meetings for the rest of … Continue reading The New York ISO C++ meeting is 

 
user7659542
7:51 PM
am I the only one to believe that whenever people say the software project on which they are working is complicated, it is mostly due to 2 things:

- poor macroscopic software architecture
- poor micro architecture, which is mostly due to poor dev process or lack of explanation from the software architect. The latter is meant to provide clarity of what the software should look like, what patterns you should try to use when coding in order to make sure the project doesn't one mess where everybody does its thing.
 
user7659542
which is why lead software engineers and architects must be very competent. Otherwise it is doomed from the start IMO
 
@Mysticial is there any reason to even consider getting one of the new Intel Chips?
 
user7659542
@Mgetz yes, reasing being is because you are a software hipster. As a hipster you always follow the latest and best trends.
 
@traducerad Then I'd buy a threadripper
 
user7659542
argh another of those pieces of hardware designed for gamers?
 
user7659542
The guy makes it sound as if DMA is absolutely fantastic and a huge leap forward
 
user7659542
Direct memory access has been around for quite a while and is standard way of proceeding, no need to use that as a marketting argument.
 
user7659542
Unless I am missing smth
 
user7659542
Deffinitely not getting what makes this chip so special...
 
@traducerad so the only thing that makes Zen 2 special is that AMD had really spent time on the interconnect, other than that.. not really it's about on par with Intel or a bit faster in some cases. Intel still has higher clocks but thermal issues for a variety of reasons.
 
user7659542
8:10 PM
everything he says is nothing spectacular AFAIK. They have a couples of CPU's which are interconnected. Interconnection is probably optimized somehow. Development was probably on FPGA and afterwards they just made their own ASIC out of it.
 
user7659542
just a quad core with some (apparently) good interconnectivity
 
user7659542
and this costs 4000USD??
 
user7659542
wth
 
um... threadripper isn't quad core... it's quad CCD
each of which can have 2 CCXes with 4 cores each
the smallest threadripper for Zen2 is 24Core
 
user7659542
I see, yes
 
user7659542
8:13 PM
apparently that dude was describing the content of one single chiplet not the whole chip
 
user7659542
24 cores, imagine how many threads I could make my Qt app have if it was running on that CPU...
 
48
 
user7659542
so many threads running in parallel...
 
it's a 24/48 chip
 
user7659542
imagine spawning 48 threads in your app
 
user7659542
8:15 PM
omg, pure pleasure
 
user7659542
still not worth 4k though
 
why bother when you can have the pain of spawning 128 (which is a royal pain in the butt to tie those to cores)
the 3990x is a 64/128 part
 
user7659542
what does "64/128" mean?
 
64core 128 thread
 
user7659542
I see, so they are doing hyperthreading like Intel?
 
user7659542
8:17 PM
which allows to run 2 threads in parallel on a single core
 
Symmetric multi-threading yes, Hyper threading is Intel marketing garbage
Threads don't get hopped up on coke
 
user7659542
not a pro, but I typically tend to find the specs of NVIDIA's GPUs more interesting
 
user7659542
But maybe I get amazed by it everytime because it is expensive and they are good at marketting
 
user7659542
I once found an NVIDIA module for self driving cars which cost 25k
 
8:30 PM
@traducerad they're completely different things
 
user7659542
i know
 
8:48 PM
@Mgetz Intel goes up to 8 sockets with the same thread count, as well as marginally performance on vectored workloads. In 2010 this would have been great for the fluid dynamics work I was doing. What I don't understand, is if all of these workloads have shifted to more cost effective GPUs.
 
@Mikhail yes... but at twice the cost
 
Yeah, but I put together a few compute nodes for my research work and the CPU was still only a fraction of the cost.
 
@Mikhail sorry I was saying that the intel setup was twice the cost. The GPU cost per FLOP is insanely low
 
Oh, yeah probably even more. CPUs could win if the cost was reduced (maybe even on power looking at Fujitsu's Green Top 500). The cost break down for the semiconductor industry always felt weird to be because they are basically selling baked sand. I think most of us are surprised that Intel hasn't lowered their prices.
We may find that the real reason Intel failed is the need to pay back stock holders :-)
 
9:26 PM
Also upgraded to MSVC 16.6, now weird parsing errors building thrust.
 
 
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10:36 PM
Also the latest MSVC ICEs on CGAL. These dudes need to validation test. It seems like their concepts support is quite buggy.
 

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