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1:19 AM
@JerryCoffin How would you deal with a junior developer (not me) who wasn't able to write technical documentation - specifically an operating manual. Guy was supposed to hand me a manual about a feature that took him a month to write. I got a verbose piece of crap where the screen shots didn't match the written text, for example a mismatch on button text. I expected to get eight pages, but got four. I can usually write pretty good manuals, but it was an acquired skilled.
 
@Mikhail did they have to write the documentation and develop the feature. Was the scope of the work clearly defined?
 
I define the scope, the problem is that the guy was unable to write a manual.
For example, undergrads or early graduate students are often unable to write a conference/research paper abstracts.
I guess the question is pedagogical. How do we improve their writing abilities, is it soemthing that can be done, or do we just give up and do it ourselves?
 
I don't normally associate engineering with the ability to write a proper operating manual. However, I could be wrong. They should be able to write API documentation, but I associate that kind of documentation with manuals.
 
Unfortunately, I we don't have enough resources to work with untermensch
 
The ability to write a proper manual I feel is a skill set on its own. Probably not worth spending Engineering hours on such tasks. However, Jerry can probably speak more authoritatively.
lol, maybe you just have a different set of skills lol
 
1:38 AM
I think in the world of free lance people, the manual is often the validation tests, etc. In many cases, a CTO would go through it. That being said, I need stronger people, but not necessarily sure how to develop them (or how long it takes).
 
I had to write a business plan once. You are using a different set of skills, how you word things and layout the page exercises a different set of brain cells, then those you would normally use for problem-solving.
 
From my experience, there are people who don't suck that can do everything well.
Anyways, the question is more direct, is it worth investing time in making the guy not suck, or just fuck it and do it myself.
 
How long do you plan on keeping them?
 
I don't know, but it would be good to know long it takes for people to stop sucking
 
 
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3:02 AM
@JerryCoffin I didn't know you are such a person - coerce a lounge regular to send another innocent lounge ex-regular's contact details to likely spammers in exchange of 60 seconds of pleasure of doing so. >_<
@ABuckau The same hobby project that I have been doing for the past few months.
 
 
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5:05 AM
@JerryCoffin Only saw this until now ~_~ My super inability is walking passing things without 'seeing' them.
How to miss opportunities ...
Too many things going on (change of tenant, fallen/falling fence, solar farm etc) , I had problem falling asleep, thus sleep walked into lounge @ 3-4am while having a large glass of wine :x
Also the loungers are obviously this (hopefully):
The eastern rosella (Platycercus eximius) is a rosella native to southeast of the Australian continent and to Tasmania. It has been introduced to New Zealand where feral populations are found in the North Island (notably in the northern half of the island and in the Hutt Valley) and in the hills around Dunedin in the South Island. == Taxonomy == The eastern rosella was named by George Shaw in 1792. It is sometimes considered a subspecies of the pale-headed rosella (P. adscitus). The term 'white-cheeked rosella' has been used for a species or superspecies combining the pale-headed and eastern forms...
s/falling asleep/falling back asleep/
No problem falling asleep, just woke up in the middle of the night and not able to be asleep again.
 
 
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10:13 AM
Hi, would you consider for (int i = steps.size() - 2; i >= 0; i--) { to be dangerous? Will it be a problem that steps.size() is unsigned? I tried it out and it seems to work but I was wondering if this was undefined behavior
 
nwp
@PhilLab Wrong room. Ask here.
 
@nwp Thank you for the link, will do so :-)
 
 
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11:21 AM
@Mikhail use an actual tech writer?
 
 
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6:17 PM
@JerryCoffin So I posted this joke in the Tavern and got reprimanded for it. lol Based on the comments I got, my gut feeling tells me that it might not be entirely a joke after all.
in Trashcan on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 hours ago, by Mysticial
> All users must be certified justice warriors. Those who aren't and those who perform any actions deemed inconsistent of a justice warrior will be permanently banned and removed from the site. Moderators who disagree with or fail to enforce this policy will be stripped of their moderator duties and subsequently banned and removed from the site.
 
@Mysticial Probably not (quite) 100% accurate, but close enough to make some people feel seriously uncomfortable.
 
IOW, if you replace the (admittedly offensive) word, "justice warrior" with a synonym without the pejorative-ness, it might actually be close to what will be in the final thing.
Since the ones who reprimanded me are mods and have (more) insight to what's going on inside.
 
@Mysticial Wouldn't surprise me if that's reasonably accurate.
 
@Mysticial so you are an avenger now, what's your superpower?
 
avenging duh
 
6:23 PM
@Morwenn no it has to be something unique.
 
@JerryCoffin The joke? Or the use of the word "justice warrior"?
 
std::unique_ptr then
 
what kind of superpower is that? I would say black holes it's more mystical
: - )
 
The power of memory safety
stop editing u_u
 
@Morwenn lame! You should have at least used something more exciting like vtables
 
6:31 PM
vtables are an implementation detail :D
 
1000
Q: I'm resigning as a moderator from all Stack Exchange sites

Robert Harvey I'm resigning as a moderator from all Stack Exchange sites, effective today. I didn't make this decision lightly, frivolously or suddenly. A persistent pattern of corporate missteps, and a monumentally deplorable moderator dismissal, has compelled me to re-evaluate my relationship with Stack ...

a nice round 1000
meanwhile the apology is sitting at -1515
 
That's impressive :o
 
very impressive
 
@Mysticial That with "justice warrior" changed to an inoffensive synonym, the statement is probably pretty accurate.
 
I don't care much for the relicensing. However, the Monica story is upsetting.
Has there been an official statement from SE about this?
 
6:44 PM
@StackedCrooked The funny thing is that the license-gate is more likely to land the company in bigger legal trouble.
 
I kinda doubt that.
I hope I'm wrong though.
 
The worst I can see pronoun-gate ending in is a single lawsuit for slander and an exodus of the user base. But license-gate could maybe open up to class-action?
 
Imagine getting action taken against you for using him/he assuming you're talking to a him
 
@StackedCrooked A non-statement, and a half-statement.
 
@stackedcrooked Not much, the half-statement somewhat describes it and apologizes but doesn't get into any details
 
6:47 PM
Hm, if they apologize for it then that means they should reinstate her as a moderator?
 
Yes except they dont, they apologized for deploying on friday or smth, its ridiculous
 
@StackedCrooked It wasn't a complete apology. They've issue no statement on the clear contradictions between their story and Monica's story.
 
the misgendering part though
I cant believe its added to the new coc
 
The contradictions are large enough that at least one party is lying. Monica is telling her side of the story in reasonable? detail. SE hasn't other than "she violated CoC".
 
are all stack sites proprietary or opensource? I thought stack sites were like Wikipedia, that they were managed by a foundation? Shouldn't the community govern itself? I am really confused about corporate influence. Maybe the moderators should establish a patron and arrest control from corporate and turn it into a Wikipedia foundation.
 
6:50 PM
@Rick proprietary
A private company with probably a ton of creditors squeezing them to turn profit at this point.
Which is somewhat tangent to both pronoun-gate and license-gate.
 
Maybe Monica said something that was offensive enough to remove her as a moderator. However, given her reputation that seems unlikely. And if it's really true, then SE would probably have mentioned that in their statement (without having to go into detail.)
 
the profit motive will turn SO into myspace after rupert murdoch took over.
It should become a foundation and solicit users for money
 
@StackedCrooked The gut feeling that I have is that SE realized that Monica's views were going to be incompatible with the new CoC. So they fired her to get rid of the problem and make an example of her. But they did so without considering the consequences (including possible legal ones). Now that it has happened, SE can bring themselves to admit a mistake thus digging themselves into an even deeper hole.
 
Yeah. That's my gut feeling as well.
 
The other thing I think they might have misjudged is the political side of it. Sure many/most? SE users are center-left or liberal-leaning. But they didn't realize that the new CoC (or the impression that's floating around) is so extreme that they've flipped a large portion of even those to the other side.
 
7:01 PM
@Mysticial Other than self destructing tending to run somewhat contrary to profitability.
@StackedCrooked From the sound of things, I believe the situation is that Monica objects to the user of "they" as a singular pronoun, so when they (!) announced the new CoC, she asked what was supposed to be used as a singular, gender-neutral pronoun (since, the only such thing that's classically existed at all in English was "he", which many find objectionable).
@Rick I doubt. Even businessmen can learn if reality slaps them in the face hard enough--and Facebook gave them a pretty serious slap in the face on this one.
 
aren't all these specific conflicts about gender and whatever the next thing will be, aren't they all about a loss of creative control over one's work. Moderators invest their time and effort into making the site into something. Like someone spends effort into building a house and then someone else comes along and tells you how to manage that house because they own the land it was built on.
 
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Q: Pronoun Assistant

Glorfindel Screenshot / Code Snippet About It's hard to miss these days - the Code of Conduct is about to change. It will emphasize the importance of using the correct pronoun when referring to a user in third person. This most often comes up in chat, and some users already have information about w...

 
It's a shitty situation, especialy when there are no rules that bind the hands of the respective parties.
 
7:19 PM
@Mysticial Even if she opposed the new CoC they could at least have had a conversation about it. It's a simple fact that a large part of the population is not ready for such radical leftist ideas. I'm not a Jordan Peterson fan, but I think he has a valid point when he mentions that the N-word is something that we as a society over time have learned that it's offensive and shouldn't be used without there needing to be a law against it.
He says the same goes for gender neutral pronouns. They should not be enforced by law. (And I agree.)
 
grammar ist law
 
@StackedCrooked I think they realized early on that the differences were irreconcilable. I really don't want to stereotype, but given that Monica is active on a religious site, the obvious conclusion one could jump to is that she might be right-of-center on social issues. And that is too far from reconcile with SE's left-leaning tendencies.
@StackedCrooked Changes to the language will take generations to happen. You can't just change the pronouns and call it day. It's ingrained into us when we grow up. It will only change once we die off and future generations are brought up with the new standards.
 
@Morwenn Er. Yeah, my grammar wasn't very good there.
 
I'll be part of the generation using it normally x)
The number of LGBTQ+ people in C++ and Rust sub-communities is impressive though
The legend says that Rust was built with the blood, sweat and tears of trans girls xD
 
Somebody cracked Ken Thompson password from an old /etc/password file, do you think we can break into his bank account and steal all of his regular expressions?
 
7:27 PM
@Mysticial It's interesting how freedom of religion (a leftist idea AFAIK) conflicts with the far left.
 
Minor changes are possible. For example, when I grew up (even in the SFBA which is super-liberal), it was very common to use the word "gay" as a derogatory adjective. I did it myself in grade school out of habit. But middle school was when I started to paying attention to what I was saying and stopped using it like that. But the word "gay" isn't a commonly use word. Pronouns, OTOH, is much harder. For most people, the pronoun you choose is hard-wired to whatever gender you think the person is.
 
winning a war here and there is not a solution. It won't win the battle except for maybe pitting people against each other. If the moderators along with corporate are serious about making lasting changes they will need to transcend the game. Otherwise, the "nobles"(management) will always be at war with the elite (corporate) and unfortunately,, financial interests will out, at the cost to both organizations. (just a personal opinion)
 
I think the discussion of the substance of the changes to the CoC misses the big picture. SO choose to step up intervention, which makes this a less free place. That action immediately offended people that felt they had ownership in the thing they spent decades on. This was stupid as its perfectly fine to let people be mean to eachother on the internet.
 
by the way, you need this stuff in business all the time. jeff Bezos invested in warehouses, investors didn't like it.
 
@Rick The problems goes down the fundamentals. So you can't win without losing half the factions.
 
7:36 PM
@Mysticial Companies being shortsighted is not something new. Investors want profits now, it takes strong leadership to resist that.
 
It's not short sighted, they've failed to make money for a decade. The only real shocking thing is that they have operating expenses.
 
That's because ther is a mismatch in values. The right decisions are being made.
 
@Rick Oh, I was talking about the social war. The finances are somewhat tangent to this.
 
@Mysticial no it's a symptom, it's not the actual problem.
 
@Rick oh ok. I can see how it gets there. The welcoming movement is the link that connects them.
 
7:43 PM
Corporate sees a trend, and you see a community with rules and all the things that come with that
Corporate wants to meet the trend and you want to enforce rules for quality, so there is a high price for entry.
You don't care if people are gay or whatever, you care about the people who have done the work and put in the effort.
 
@StackedCrooked Fundamentally, what's currently called "far left" (at least in the US) is no longer liberal (at all) in quite a few different ways. There's also quite a bit that's (almost unbelievably) self-contradictory (like LGBTQ+ people supporting Islam simply because they see the "right" as disliking Islam, despite the minor detail that the Koran's position is that all LGBTQ+ people should not just be killed, but tortured to death).
In fairness, the Bible says a lot of the same things; the sole difference is that few (if any) Jews or Christians seem willing to follow those parts of the Bible.
 
Corporate wants to meet the trend because values are changing, they are seeing it in the numbers. They want to adapt to meet the new demographic.
Both parties have reasonable expectations and motivations.
 
I want to exist
Thanks for coming to my talk
 
What was the talk?
 
@Morwenn Evidence tends to suggest that you do (though it provides less evidence about the precise nature of the "I" involved).
 
7:51 PM
1 min ago, by Morwenn
I want to exist
@JerryCoffin Is this I boku or watashi?
 
@Morwenn Sorry, my understanding of Japanese (I assume those are Japanese, anyway) isn't adequate to answer that.
 
@Morwenn Formal or not? Watashi is more formal.
 
I know about that, but I don't have a good opposite of boku :/
 
watashi is neutral or female
it kinda sounds female
 
I'm not 100% sure (since I don't speak Japanese), but depending on the context, "watashi" implies the speaker is female and "boku" is male. One of those exceptions is in a formal setting where "watashi" is neutral.
 
7:57 PM
Yep.
"ore" is also male.
 
I was about to mention it
 
@Morwenn Given that this is a fairly informal setting, I guess I must be male (though I've no idea how that's relevant).
 
Gender is weird
Humans are fucking weird
 
@StackedCrooked At a more extreme. "ore" is like "manly" male. "boku" is less manly and often younger boys.
 
It's pretty simple :-)
 
7:58 PM
@JerryCoffin I can't make a difference for wasps
 
So the female-male scale: "Atashi", "Watashi", "Boku", "Ore".
The less common ones that I recognize are:
"waga" - super formal, don't know if it's gendered
"atai" - female
 
@Morwenn I'm not sure if humans are fucking weird, but humans fucking is definitely weird. Or maybe it's just me, but I never quite understood the attraction of most porn (that I've seen, anyway).
 
@Morwenn wasps are mean, thus female
 
@JerryCoffin Implying you've watched most porn
@StackedCrooked wow, banned
 
8:00 PM
Erm, I mean male!
 
wow, still banned
 
I mean, .. "they".
lol
 
@Morwenn You spoke too soon, so I could still repair the slip of the tongue keyboard.
 
such sexism :o
 
@Morwenn He's saying that 3D is better than 2D. :)
 
8:02 PM
yeah, VR all the way
 
@JerryCoffin pretty simple, if I want to fuck a girl I need loose wieght and spend two a hours on that relationship. But I can watch porn while sipping on my latte at Starbucks.
 
I haven't had any 3D in almost a year u_u
I'm seeing pirate in November though :3
 
@Morwenn lol
 
people can do awful things to each other they don't need religion as an excuse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPdh46k7b38
 
@Mikhail Umm...okay, I guess. When I was single, I had plenty of time though.
 
8:03 PM
4~5 days at my place
 
@Morwenn you mean @thecoshman, right?
 
Yeah, he's coming here a few days, I'll need to find some local alcohols ^^
 
Is there any good beer in France?
 
I want to buy élixir d'Armorig, lambig, chouchen, crème de lambig and some local beers
It should end up a bit expensive but it should last a few months at least
 
@Mysticial I dunno. I never quite understood the attraction of strip joints either. If anything, they made even less sense to me.
 
8:05 PM
@StackedCrooked Depends on what you like but I'd be tempted to answer "yes" anyway :p
 
wtf dat flag
 
v0v
 
@StackedCrooked Brussels is less than an hour from Paris...
 
It's at least 3 hours by car.
 
I'm 6h away from Paris by car >.>
 
8:06 PM
Yeah :D
 
@JerryCoffin I was making a double-joke about Anime 3D vs. 2D and the fact that you are actually qualified to make that comparison as evidenced by the existence of your kids.
 
@StackedCrooked I'll take your word for it. I always just took a train. After seeing the traffic in Paris, I was pretty well convinced that was the right choice.
@Morwenn As I recall, you're in Brittany, fairly close to the coast, no?
 
@JerryCoffin Yup, I've got coasts up North, West and South
 
@Mysticial ...except that I'm profoundly ignorant of anime (in all its forms)
 
@Morwenn it can be anywhere
 
8:11 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Jerry gave my position
 
2D = TV or screen (anime character, porn)
3D = real life - maybe VR if you count the idea from Anime on immersive VRs
 
@Mysticial Makes sense, I guess.
@Morwenn But (doing a quick check) only 2 hours from Rennes to Paris by TGV.
 
@Mysticial having kid doesn't imply anything anymore
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah but Rennes is 2h30 by car from here x)
 
@JerryCoffin It's an Anime trope. Typically occurs in shows about Anime. (IOW, an extra layer of indirection.) Where the main character is an otaku and prefers playing VNs (and dating sims) as opposed to real life (dating).
 
8:20 PM
I had a girlfriend and she was pregnant and I swear we never slept together
 
@Morwenn Still reduces it from 6 to 4.5 hours. Or, buy yourself a small airplane or helicopter...
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix So perhaps not your kid (but I guarantee she slept with somebody).
 
@JerryCoffin Not really because you need to park out of Rennes and then take the metro to the train, which makes 30 more minutes at the very least
The railway station is in the town centre, which is designed to make car traffic painful enough that you don't attempt it
 
@Morwenn Damned practicality!
 
There are a few planes a day though
 
Order the beer from Rennes half way so you can get your beer in half the time if the other driver isn't so bad
 
8:24 PM
@Morwenn That seems to be true of nearly every French town I visited...
 
Because having the railway station near the town centre was practical
 
@JerryCoffin Those are definitely not my kids but at some point kid ownership is more paperwork than actually being linked by blood.
 
@Morwenn I was referring more to the part about making it impractical to drive to the town center. Ignorant I may be, but even so I can figure out that "Gare Centrale" is likely to be somewhere close to the center...
 
Oh yeah
 
@Morwenn "Gare du Midi" took me a little longer though...
 
8:27 PM
Our city centres weren't designed around cars, so even towns that tried to accommodate cars are plagued with traffic jams, so some towns tried to make the centres cool for people walking or cycling, and public transportation gradually became better there
There were traffic jams even with the best efforts, so they decided that "fuck cars" and let everyone else have a good place to live
 
@JerryCoffin weird, is it a open only at 12? or they used midi like "middle"
@Morwenn they were designed for horses
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix At least in Brussels Gare du Midi is the southern-most of the three main train stations. I don't know exactly how it ended up that way/got that name though.
 
> Les voies pénétraient en ville par la large avenue du Midi
It means it got called in the name of the Avenue it went through
Can't find anything about the avenue name
but looking at it, I'm not sure it's an avenue, it could be a street
 
8:45 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Interesting. But yeah, at first I kind of assumed that "Gare du Midi" and "Gare Centrale" were basically synonyms, which was completely wrong.
 
At first I tought that midi would be a meaning that at mid day the sun is at it's top most position and points to the south
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Being named after the street/avenue seems to make more sense though.
 
9:04 PM
but what is the street named after?
 
9:14 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Quite possibly just "noon". Cities have enough streets that they frequently end up with lots of streets with fairly silly, meaningless names. Here in San Diego there's a part of town with streets named after minerals--all in alphabetical order. So there are at least: Beryl, Chalcedony, Diamond, Emerald, Feldspar, Garnet, and Hornblend. One part of Colorado Springs has streets named "Blissful", "Delighted", "Nonchalant", "Hopeful", and "Amiable"...
 
in my city, some of the street are theme named, I used to live in the "flower" quartal
 
9:48 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix my old neighborhood streets were copenhagen, warsaw, helsinki, budapest, new delhi, singapore, brussels, brasllia, algiers.
these were all streets that intersected budapest.
 
I live next to Alaska and Balkan
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Alaska's becoming Balkanized? Oh no!
 
lol what were they thinking when they named those streets right next to each other
 
@Rick "place names".
 
When I moved in, I thought, that's interesting
 
9:59 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix well other than Alaska and Balkan what are the names of the neighboring streets.
@JerryCoffin place names that's it, seems too vague.
I am sure there is a theme of some kind
 
Not really, there's usually a theme but in this case not sure.
There's Mont-Blanc, Yukon, Serge Garant, Hogar, Atlas
most other street names are of writer/musician but those 3 names are the only one with region in it
it seems like a theme was planned, then they probably fired the guy who came up with balkan/alaska and the new guy continued with writers/musician
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Mont-Blanc: just a mountain in the alps, Yukon: Candian wilderness, Serge Garant: composer, hogar: (Swedish hog ) which reaches a great distance from the ground or is located a great distance from the ground, Atlas: a greek god who holds up the sky. So the theme is high peaks touching the sky.
 
10:15 PM
Yeah but what about Caplet that is in the middle of everything
 
@Rick Mont-Blanc - sounds familiar. Is that the one with all the wingsuit flyers?
 
yeah that too
 
@Rick Might be. Then again, might be too specific once you look at the others nearby.
 
I kind of agree there's a mountain theme there but a lot of other street are named against people around, and 3-5 street isn't enough for a theme.
I'd say most other streets are of composer/writers/musician
 
can't make sense of caplet, really right smack in the middle of everything interesting.
composers and mountain ranges make sense to me. I get that.
writers, that depends on the kind of writing they did.
and musician depends on the kind of music.
If Snoop Dog was one of the street names then someone was clearly smoking pot.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix André Caplet was a French composer and conductor now known primarily through his orchestrations of works by Claude Debussy.
 
11:24 PM
@PeterT Uploaded pyfirmata on to Arduino, still no luck.
Although I am not sure whether the pins can be read once connected to servos
There are plenty of tutorial on how to control Arduino from Raspberry Pi, plenty of it on how to use Arduino to control servos. Just none on how to use rPi to control servos through Arduino.
 
Howdy parteners...
 
Is parteners more like partners or pastes?
And then my question on how to use rPi to control servos through Arduino got closed on stackexchange, possibly because no one actually know the answer.
 
@TelKitty It is followed by ...birdie nam nam, birdie nam nam
@TelKitty For your viewing pleasure youtube.com/watch?v=91EzjG5O6j4
 
@CaptainGiraffe Wherein Peter Sellers proves he's not a seller at all, by giving food to the bird. How dare he!?
 
@TelKitty As for the greeting, it is fully explained here youtu.be/ZFKJuzrCGj4?t=123.
@JerryCoffin He is a very daring and inquisitive soul!
So my TV-broadcast signal has been black for the last day or so. The provider wants me to get some new equipment and a subscription for their digital feed. I'm reluctant just on general principles.
How do I manage a transition from broadcast to Internet TV. Kodi is already up and running on my small box connected to the TV.
 
11:44 PM
@CaptainGiraffe If you want to meet more chicken bird crazy people, there is backyardchickens.com that site makes all crazy chicken ladies/men look normal, it's one of the friendlies forums on the entire internet. It makes me believe that pet chicken love makes people better persons.
@CaptainGiraffe Here is a short video on crazy chicken man adorable bird lover.
 
@TelKitty I'm very happy to come here and share my musings, I always feel welcome. You TelKitty are almost always very friendly albeit quite different from myself. Jerry or JC as I prefer to call him feels like an older or younger brother! (I'd have to ask, if we actually ever meet) I'm not much of a bird person though.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Of course, you are a giraffe, I am a chicken and JC is a wasp.
 
@TelKitty I don't understand if this is fucked up or funny. I suppose the latter.
@TelKitty You don't need to say anything, but anything you say can be used in a court of law.
 

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