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21:00
Meh, cygwin bash.
@CatPlusPlus but you're a linux guy, aren't you?
And for scripty stuff I'd rather write Python than bash or PS.
I'm anti-OSX, but beyond that OS-agnostic.
I use Windows currently.
@CatPlusPlus Why OSX in particular?
oh wow, the Cat uses Windows, I had always thought you were a Linux man
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@StackedCrooked Yeah, I can relate to that. Here, a mix of Sprite/Fanta and beer (called "Radler" or "Alster") is quite popular. Sometimes, I like that, too.
21:01
Because it sucks donkey balls.
@CatPlusPlus Well, I could've figured that out myself.
ohhh, you've just slapped a load of Apple fans in the face
I'm no fan of Apple's overpriced hardware either.
Bash sucks for programming. For example if you have two arrays ["a", "b", "c"] and ["1", "2", "3"] and you want to iterate over both so that you can print "a1 b2 c3" then you have to jump through some awkward hoops.
I can't use OSX without being frustrated by stupid crap like global menu.
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Or dock.
Or the damn system buttons on the wrong side of the window.
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21:02
@TonyTheLion Also, Powershell is just surprising. I like the concept of passing objects, rather than text, a lot, but I am still wrestling with it.
You can gain appreciation for OS X by using Spotlight for launching applications instead of dock.
Meh.
I don't like the "we charge for EVERY app" ecosystem, either.
And learning the keyboard shortcuts.
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@TonyTheLion Apple fans should be slapped in the face thrice a day, actually. :)
@sbi you the guy with 20 years of C++ experience under your belt, and you wrestle with Powershell, I find that surprising.
21:03
Every time someone mentions TextMate, I have an urge to punch them.
@CatPlusPlus That kind of sucks. Piracy helps though.
Or just laugh and pity.
@CatPlusPlus you said "meh"! Woot :)
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@TonyTheLion It's not that I have been learning something new every 3 months for 20 years.
@sbi no, but Powershell is not harder than C++ surely
@CatPlusPlus What's wrong with TextMate? (seeing I've never actually used it)
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@TonyTheLion You and your little pleasures.
@Insilico It costs money.
It's a text editor.
That costs money.
@sbi I have to draw pleasures out of something :)
Not even a WYSIWYG, either.
21:04
@CatPlusPlus Ah, that's why I haven't used it.
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@TonyTheLion No, of course, not. But I have been doing C++ since almost 20 years, and Powershell for about 3 days.
It's so ridiculous, it's not even funny.
> TextMate brings Apple's approach to operating systems into the world of text editors
@CatPlusPlus I say meh 10 times less than you.
@Insilico I.e. overpriced and crappy.
21:05
What the fuck is "Apple's approach"?
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@TonyTheLion You know, when the only thing I'd find pleasure in in a whole day is someone saying "meh", I'd worry.
@CatPlusPlus I see.
@sbi oh I see, 3 days isn't that long. OK understand your wrestling now
@sbi meh
And designed by monkeys randomly mashing keys, and then calling it "usability study".
@Insilico "Apple's approach" is to charge you money. Lots of money...
21:06
@sbi no, I had a nice chat with a close friend earlier, so not only was the "meh" pleasurable
@sbi The hardest part for me is always having to look up shit if I want to do even the simplest thing (but that's true for every language)
watching random Youtube videos was fun too, but meh at the same time, cause YouTube
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@TonyTheLion With the robot's help yesterday I managed to write a script that recurses through a SVN working copy and looks for externals.
YT is all right, as long as you don't go to the weird part.
21:07
Or read comments.
What the hell is the point of a mobile MATLAB application?
Methworks.
@sbi oh wow
Oh god... look what I found on reddit:
@Mysticial Memes?
21:08
using namespace std; saw this, close tab
@Mysticial Holy crap that's almost as bad as Schildt's crap.
A person who doesn't know C++ writing a C++ tutorial. On the Internet. Well I never.
happens all the damn time
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@Insilico Yeah, that is completely enraging! I utterly failed at outputting a simple line yesterday, and had to be rescued. These things make you feel like a fucking idiot, who can't add 2 and 2.
The reddit submission is here if you wanna read the comments: reddit.com/r/programming/comments/vuf6l/worst_c_tutorial_ever
21:10
We all need to get together and write an actual C++ tutorial that actually teaches C++ and use possibly shady SEO techniques to be first on search results for "C++ tutorial".
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@CatPlusPlus It usually takes me about three or four clicks on YT until I find myself where every second clip's most upvoted comment is "Oh, I am in that part of YT again..." I wonder if that is my fault.
@Mysticial LOL returning a pointer to a local!
What an asshole who wrote that.
@RadekSlupik I don't think the author was an asshole as much as being an idiot and not knowing it.
@Insilico I considered that.
@Insilico To me asshole and idiot equal.
21:12
We have wiki.
@CatPlusPlus Is it a non-shitty wiki?
@RadekSlupik No, just idiot.
It's the bestest wiki
@Insilico No, it's Wikidot.
@CatPlusPlus there's a weird part? Isn't it just weird, all of it?
@RadekSlupik So presumably it's a non-shit wiki?
21:12
Wikidot overrides damn default browser shortcuts.
What browser shortcuts?
Ctrl+E, for example. Which should move the insertion point to the end of the line, but instead does something strange.
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@Insilico I don't think the google thing would be an issue. Except for Eckel's books, there is nothing good out there, so as soon as you publish something, it will become popular and raise in googles ranking. The problem is writing a good C++ tutorial in the first place. Have you ever tried it? I found it surprising hard to come up with a good tutorial which I'd teach directly. Doing this remote and asynchronous is much harder. And to that add the hilarities of two dozen authors...
@sbi True. I don't want another Wrox book for a C++ tutorial.
Ctrl+E goes into URL bar for me.
21:13
here too
When the hell was the last time I bought a Wrox book?
Websites that use shortcuts must die.
Lol, no.
@RadekSlupik Doesn't main/meta/chat SO use keyboard shortcuts?
Does Wikidot work without JavaScript?
21:14
Ctrl+E is silly example, you can just use End.
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@Insilico The last time I bought a Wrox book must have been in some other live of mine.
@CatPlusPlus That doesn't make it OK.
It doesn't, but so doesn't this chat. Who cares, really.
Jeez the last Wrox book I bought had terrible copy-editing
I cannot use Wikidot without being very careful which keys I press, since I type faster than I think.
I have no issues.
I have issues
There are standard shortcuts, and there are obscure ones nobody really uses.
but of a different kind :P
21:16
I have tissues.
with snot in them?
Clean ones.
Clean snot.
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Related to our recent Apple discussion:
> Dear Apple, why don't you kill off Siri, (she's a bit careinthecommunity anyway) and give us a battery that lasts a whole day? Ta, Sarah.x — Sarah Pinborough.
My battery lasts a whole week.
21:17
@sbi My phone's battery lasts 1-14 days depending on how much stuff I decide to look up with it.
Or talk with other people for that matter.
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@CatPlusPlus Cats have batteries??
And it's ~4 years old.
@sbi Yes.
Sure.
Didn't you know?
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Q: Copy CTOR strange behavior when returning-by-value

MattanI tested the behavior of Copy-CTOR with functions that return an object by value, and I came across a case where copy CTOR does get invoked and a case it doesn't. Please consider the following code: class A{ public: A(){} A(const A& a) {cout<<"Copy CTOR: "<< "This address is " ...

CTOR.
@sbi Heh, Siri doesn't even affect battery performance. You can improve it by disabling 3G and localization features. (I agree though that the default settings are draining the battery real fast.)
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21:19
@Insilico I have an Android phone, and when I browse Twitter and some news pages for about 45mins while commuting in the morning, I need to give the phone a shot during the day, or I'd be carrying a dead phone home in the evening. (But then my phone was rather cheap, so...)
@CatPlusPlus Return value optimization?
@Insilico CTOR.
I don't know, hell if I'm going to read that.
@CatPlusPlus Eh, I'm just pulling RVO out my ass. I didn't really read the code either.
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> Fucking is how babies are made. — Kurt Vonnegut
(Just in case you were wondering.)
@sbi Really? I'm so glad you let me know of this crucial piece of information.
21:21
@CatPlusPlus Yeah it's RVO. I asked a similar question.
@TonyTheLion true
@CatPlusPlus true
!false
21:24
!!"True"
0x2 == (0x1 + 0x1)
(true || false)
(<::><% return !!(true ? true : false) %>)()
21:25
(true && true)
FILE_NOT_FOUND
some babies are not made by fucking, but by artificial infusion
from file not found to babies? dafuq?
@JohannesSchaublitb Fuck.
The meaning of life is 42, obviously.
21:26
meh
The meaning of life is pending ISO standardisation.
The meaning of life is to have fun.
@CatPlusPlus So I'm not going to know the meaning of life for another 10 years?
That's when the first draft will be published.
Codename Life1x
Or 2x. It's late.
21:28
@Mysticial you're not the first to find this:
May 22 at 13:15, by 72con
http://www.functionx.com/win32/Lesson01b.htm
Okay some muscians need to stop making music.
Poor 72con guy
@Insilico Talking to me boy?
@sehe lol, wow
@sehe I said some musicians. That may or may not include you.
@Insilico I didn't see what it was in response to otherwise :)
21:30
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE PEOPLE GET THE CALLING CONVENTION RIGHT
IT'S LRESULT CALLBACK WndProc(...) NOT LRESULT WndProc(...)
What's funnier is that it's correct in the definition.
GET THE SHOUTING CONVENTION RIGHT
ftfy
@CatPlusPlus That just makes it even worse.
21:31
It's hilarious.
It's like "I don't give a shit about consistency or code proofreading"
"or actually making sure what I wrote isn't complete bullshit"
oh the one I found in the water is here, did you get out of the water alright?
@TonyTheLion Whacha find?
You know what's bad?
Holy crap now I remember why I don't refer to that site anymore.
21:34
17 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
I have issues
There's probably a Steam sale incoming.
why was this starred?
@TonyTheLion I'm going to not star that out of spite.
@TonyTheLion Because we like you.
yesterday, by Tony The Lion
user image
this ^
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21:35
@TonyTheLion Isn't that with the room's spirit? Whenever some says "I am dumb" it's starred.
reference to @sehe
Well, it's a cool picture.
@CatPlusPlus Why is that bad?
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@TonyTheLion What's wrong, @sehe?
@sbi loll
21:36
@Insilico I need food. And want to buy GW2. And Torchlight 2.
@sbi can't you see, he's in the water
And new PC.
doing a facepalm picard style
Oh of course ARMA2:CO goes on sale a week after I bought it.
Grump grump.
21:37
Unlucky @Cat.
22 hours ago, by sehe
@TonyTheLion nice :)
24 hours of the ambient noise of the Enterprise!
@Insilico These guys are nuts.
@sbi the water's green. can't you see what's wrong
meh, I've seen Star Trek series at least twice through
21:39
@sbi Also, they took all by rocks
Don't break the pane, theys said
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@sehe SOMEONE POOED INTO YOUR POOL?!
Someone pooed caps into the chat
I only watched VOY.
Does the PILE OF POO character work in chat?
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21:39
@EtiennedeMartel Actually, 24hrs is nothing for them. They are doing that for years on end. Lightyears!
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@sehe Tell us something new.
It's their fault if they can't use a TARDIS.
I'd do it for 10 AU.
21:40
@sbi lightyears is not a unit of time (blabla etc)
@sehe (I think he knows)
@EtiennedeMartel (blabla etc)
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@sehe Oh, really?
@sbi (blabla etc)
:)
@sbi No, they've been doing it for many, many parsecs.
@sehe Say it again! I dare you, I double dare you!
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@sehe You keep repeating yourself. have you considered trying a different doctor?
21:42
Lol
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Everybody sitting on their hands.
How can you type while you sit on your hands?
@sbi I'm not.
yesterday, by sehe
I THERE YOU TO HERE ME!
I'm sitting on a layer of electrons that make up the valence shells of the atoms in my chair.
21:43
^ pirate spelling for you
I'm sitting on my ass.
I'm sitting on your ass.
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@Insilico I noticed.
TIL: SO Chat search doesn't allow you to search for small words ('in', 'on') borks when searching for special words ('and'?) and surprisingly refuses to search for certain longer words ('THERE' or 'HERE'). Mmm
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You are all so incredibly funny. Why are you trying so hard to not to show it?
21:44
@sehe TYL: chat search sucks.
Though chat search can't do anything but sucking, since it's a search engine that is not Google.
@RadekSlupik Learned that a while ago
Windows File system search has to be worst piece of epic shite ever
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@RadekSlupik The way @sehe wields the chat history, I am sure he knew that already. His understanding of the fact my have risen to a new level, though.
21:45
it sucks so much it almost makes me vomit every time I have to use it
@TonyTheLion Yet it has no trouble looking for programs, apparently.
Unless that depends on a completely different subsystem
@sbi reached new depths, in a way
@Insilico donno, but the bits I use suck donkey cock, like puppy would say
@RadekSlupik Hmmm.
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@TonyTheLion Have you tried Alt+F7?
Oh, that's TotalCommander. :)
21:47
@sbi I would download that, but it looks so ancient
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@TonyTheLion That's what I love about it. I actually remember using NC on CP/M. And TotalCommander uses that very same keyboard shortcuts that are burned into my muscle memory so deep, I have to move my fingers to tell you which command needs which F key.
@RadekSlupik nice :)
@RadekSlupik Reminds me of some source code comments that ranted on and on about the PSD file format or something
It was an interesting read.
21:50
I've hated TC ever since the old days of windows commander. I ways always more the CLI guy. So I run with Win7 on SSD and just mlocate or GNU find are ok
/ .==. .==.
// //`^\\ //^`\\
// // ^ ^\(\__/)/^ ^^\\
// //^ ^^ ^/6 6\ ^^ ^ \\
// //^ ^^ ^/( .. )\^ ^ ^ \\
// // ^^ ^/\| v""v |/\^ ^ ^\\
// // ^^/\/ / `~~` \ \/\^ ^\\
// -----------------------------
/// HERE BE DRAGONS
Use a library if you think the file format sucks.
dragons, apparently
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Q: Anyone else experiencing high rates of linux server crashes today?

Bron GondwanaJust today, Sat June 30th - starting soon after the start of the day GMT. We've had a handful of blades in different datacentres as managed by different teams all go dark - not responding to pings, screen blank. They're all running Debian Squeeze - with everything from stock kernel to custom 3....

Use a library anyway.
21:51
Damn leap seconds at it again
Leap seconds are fun.
If your code cannot handle leap seconds, you suck.
> There's a leap second today, the 30th. I'm hesitant to imply that is your problem, but I will be watching my Debian machines closely
@RadekSlupik Did you notice they caused a lot of linux server crashes today?
woah, didn't know a leap second could bring down half a datacentre
@sehe That's why it's fun; leedvermaak.
21:52
// I can't divide with zero, so I have to divide with something very similar
result = number / 0.00000000000001;
@TonyTheLion I learnt from a VPS provider I'm hosted with that they had several issues with their PVS host machines...
My machine hasn't been down, though
Neither has mine.
Leap seconds are so stupid.
Double leap seconds are even more fun.
12:00:61
21:53
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@RadekSlupik I mean on their servers, which apparently had the issue
Or gtfo
Yesterday somebody had two consecutive 69 gets on /b/.
leap seconds make Linux servers go tits up
21:55
Oh wait, leap seconds do suck.
They force me to set my watch again.
@RadekSlupik 69 gets?
@RadekSlupik I want clocks that allow me to adjust forwards and backwards
Having to press the button 1023358029834 times because I keep missing the mark is not my favorite activity, to say the least.
I want a watch with a holographic display.
And bacon. I want bacon.
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21:58
@ScottW Weren't you still in the US just a few hours ago??

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