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15:01
Sick and tired of codeine coding
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no just my design sucks :/
but I don't know a better one :S
@Ell I know that feeling.
At that point I usually just give up and start anew. Which is probably the number one reason I never finish anything.
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I don't really know where to go with it
I was exactly about to say the same thing, I start again every time - and I never finish anything
but I'm designing the map file format now for my game. Designing the icon for it that is :D
I think getting something to look nice will inspire me to keep working :P
oh, the weekend is so close!
15:08
@thecoshman impact imminent
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Q: My boss decided to add a "person to blame" field to every bug report. How can I convince him that it's a bad idea?

MK_DevIn one of the latest "WTF" moves, my boss decided that adding a "Person To Blame" field to our bug tracking template will increase accountability (although we already have a way of tying bugs to features/stories). My arguments that this will decrease morale, increase finger-pointing and would not...

@sehe I prefer to think of it as setting sail to ride the seas of freedom
@thecoshman You really like those pirate metaphors.
@EtiennedeMartel metaphors?
Oh dammit. NullPointerException. That's it, I know what I'll be wasting my afternoon on... :(
15:16
@RMartinhoFernandes Java? Damn.
Sucks to be youuuuu.
so, you know how PHP sucks, is any one working on a valid alternative?
@EtiennedeMartel What? Don't tell me you never got a NullReferenceException. It's the same suckage.
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, but at least it's not Java.
@EtiennedeMartel Sadly, it's the best option for Android :(
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I don't see the big deal over NullPointerException - its just a segfault, essentially, isn't it?
15:19
And I'm not a hater, so I don't pick an inferior solution based on dislike.
@Ell Yeah, but the annoyance is that I can write C++ in a way that I avoid segfaults. I can't do so with Java.
Every reference can always be made null.
@RMartinhoFernandes I think they should have gone for Python instead.
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Yeah I understand that, its just I remember reading something by the creator of java saying how much a mistake NullPointerException was
And the biggest problem is that the point where the NPE is thrown is not the point where the bug exists (x = null; somewhere).
@Ell The creator of Java, or the creator of Algol?
I'll give my work computer a rest this weekend, and actually turn it off :P
15:23
@thecoshman What.
@EtiennedeMartel I normally just leave the work computer on, takes far too long to start up and shut down
@thecoshman How do you think it will feel, deprived of all senses and thought processes? Would you enjoy that?
oh great, Eclipse has crashed whilst trying to quite ¬_¬
Argh, one day you will learn. One day.
@RMartinhoFernandes probably the same as me when I am at work
Damn it, it's like I'm the only one with a fun job.
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@RMartinhoFernandes ahh that makes sense, for some reason I had in my head that it was just the exception that was the "big mistake" :L
@EtiennedeMartel I don't have a job :D yayy
also I suck at design :(
Tony Hoare was a teacher to one of my teachers. That makes me awesome, right?
any way... looks like I need to give it a 5 second touch of death. stupid crappy windows
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Hmm I might use synchrnonus io for the server and async for the client
also someone needs to write a decent, modern gui library for opengl! (that suits my desires)
15:29
@RMartinhoFernandes No.
@Ell What are you waiting for? You're the most qualified.
@EtiennedeMartel :(
I guess I'll have to be awesome through other means, then.
@Ell Ha, we need that for Kyrostat. We're going to have to roll our own because of that.
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@RMartinhoFernandes but I'll spend all my time writing a gui library and by the time that is done someone will have written the game I want to write :(
@RMartinhoFernandes Like getting drunk.
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@EtiennedeMartel what existing solutions have you looked at?
15:30
@Ell None. Ha.
@Ell Meh, just fork() yourself and write both.
Oh wait. Meat.
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I'm using cegui at the moment, but I hate all the xml. Having said that it has been used in commercial stuff
they use xml like a dsl, I think they should have their own language/a language suited for specifying gui
<add>
<property name="height" of="MyWindow1" />
<property name="height" of="MyToolbar1" />
</add>

isn't nice
that isnt what you do but its that kind of thing
thats why I would prefer layout managers
In my quest against stupid uses of new, I have now resorted to not-so-subliminal messages in comments.
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A: Converting Derived** to Base** and Derived* to Base*

R. Martinho Fernandesnasty_function(d); // Ooops, now *d points to a Base. What would happen now? No, it doesn't. It points to a Derived. The function simply changed the Base subobject in the existing Derived object. Consider: #include <cassert> struct Base { Base(int x) : x(x) {} int x; }; struct D...

@Ell layout managers are a concept orthogonal to the specification of the gui elements. for example, XUL uses XML specification with layout managers. and so does XAML.
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@CheersandhthAlf can you rephrase that?
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nevermind :L
i mean, hey guys, help out a little here
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what do you mean by "are a concept orthogonal to the specification of the gui elements"?
it sort of mean independent. you can have XML spec without layout managers, although i don't know example. you can have layout managers without XML spec, as in the default Python GUI lib (based on tcl/tk). you can have both, as in XUL and XAML. it's not like layout managers are an alternative to XML spec.
@RMartinhoFernandes Subtle.
15:52
chat, I just commited a sin - I wrote delete this;
what should I do now?!
Delete yourself. Sounds like appropriate punishment.
NOOOO!!!!!1111
@Abyx why?
Yes, I think I should keep that "sub-object" thing in my mental model. BTW, your comment in "new and pointer" is gratuitously harsh, since it is code meant to show a concept. — akappa 4 mins ago
Do you agree with that?
@MooingDuck uhm.. it allows to delete an object with delete from same module where the object was created
15:57
Well, at least take measures to force it to be dynamically allocated.
DLLs and other COM-like stuff
// seriously, WTF is it with people and new?
No, I think that is the correct amount of harsh
(I think the typical solution is private ctor + friend factory function)
static factory function is enough, IMO
@Abyx Yeah, right, doesn't need to be friend. But the ctor still needs to be private.
15:59
sure
Also, I added pictures. With colour! I should go back to that NPE now.
@RMartinhoFernandes I thought you knew me better.
> No, I think that's the correct amount of hash.
@MooingDuck Erm.
That sounds... I'll stick with "illegal in some jurisdictions".
@EtiennedeMartel What's the relation?
16:03
@RMartinhoFernandes Hash browns?
Aren't those brown?
I must admit I never actually saw one.
@RMartinhoFernandes No. Come to think of it, not sure why they're called hash browns if they're not brown.
@RMartinhoFernandes Man, there's definitely a use case for that here. I could draw attention to the fact that certain employees "fix" bugs and create more, every single time.
@SamDeHaan No, there's not a use case for that.
If your boss does that, just quit.
Or do the guerilla suggested in comments, putting the boss's name on every bug report.
@RMartinhoFernandes Yes, it's a terrible idea. I started by forgetting to use my sarcasm tag, and then because I forgot the sarcasm tag I let it get not sarcastic.
Let's just say I have certain co-workers who create unnecessary work, and there are no negative consequences to his refusal/inability to write decent code, test his changes, and get peer review before committing.
Have any of you had a bug that you can't replicate and your client can?
Unbelievable! Worthy features in VS2012! Who would've thought that possible? blogs.msdn.com/b/mgoldin/archive/2012/06/06/…
@RMartinhoFernandes of course, they'll all be dropped?
Moreover, you're convinced you're not going to be able to because your client uses an outdated system which is probably causing such problems.
16:09
@RMartinhoFernandes void main?
@Neil That's not unheard of.
vc++11, now with XML debugger visualizers
@EtiennedeMartel Oh god, I didn't see that.
@Neil it's kinda common
@RMartinhoFernandes I always see those.
It's a curse.
16:09
Yeah, having one of those now
fuck it, I want variadic templates =\
Works on the computers of two of my colleagues with different operating systems
But it doesn't work on the client's computer.. fantastic
@EtiennedeMartel To be honest, if you post code as a screenshot, I'll just gloss over it. You lose massive points in my attention meter.
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, this boggles my mind why people think that screenshots > text. I mean, it even takes more time to take the shot than to just copy and paste the fucking code.
@Cicada look what the cat mail dragged in:
16:12
And if you do so on Stack Overflow, you get a -1 before I read the post.
@Cicada ^ nice comparison matrix and with absolute current prices
"Hey, guess what I'm trying to do, and then tell me how to do it!"
-4
Q: c++ a function that returns the row number it locates

user1486528is there a function that can return the row number it locates? For example, if it's in row x, the return is an integer x. Thanks, Michael

@RMartinhoFernandes um what?
ew
@Mysticial I dunno. Some people seem to assume you are working on the exact same thing as they are so you know exactly what they're referring to.
I think it's a symptom of cargo cult programming.
16:26
@RMartinhoFernandes This question got closed quicker than you can say ...
@RMartinhoFernandes Nicely observed. 'All programming must be roughly the same, no?'
@Olumide Not true, I sat there watching for quite a while and it failed to close
@Olumide __LINE__ - how nicely associated
@sehe It takes one n00b to know another :)
Liar :)
@RMartinhoFernandes Has been edited. Actually answerable now.
I think people are too quick to to close questions instead of giving the OP time to rephrase
I'll vote for a rephrase request feature
16:29
@Olumide that's what close is for. If he rephrases, we'll reopen
@SamDeHaan Yeah, looks like it was a language issue (at least in my native language, the word for "row" and "line" is the same). I'm removing my downvote, but not voting for reopen as it's a dupe.
upvoted and voted reopen
@RMartinhoFernandes needs to be reopened so it can be closed as a dupe :P
@SamDeHaan That's way too much trouble. Just add a dupe notice.
@RMartinhoFernandes Seems like more work to find the dupe myself than to let the UI show me the dupe after reopening :P
16:30
Good thing. Its impossible to have negative points :)
@SamDeHaan Someone will have to find it.
@sehe BTW AFAIK in comparison to you guys I'm a C++ n00b :)
@SamDeHaan If you don't won't to take the trouble of finding the dupe, don't bother reopening.
@SamDeHaan dupe as what? We don't know what he's asking
Is it just me, or are the real-time vote updates not working? I didn't notice it change from -7 to -6 until I refreshed.
I just refreshed again and it's -4.
16:32
@MooingDuck Can be relatively sure at this point he's looking for line number in source file.
@Mysticial Not just you. I've witnessed that too. I thought it was on my end (the network under load, so I assumed it was timing out or something).
@RMartinhoFernandes oh, good. I thought it was just my end too.
@MooingDuck Won't you have to open and it again to do that?
@SamDeHaan I didn't realize he'd already edited the question
Have you guys seen this? A rebuttal to PHP: a fractal of bad design. The first several comments are funny, good ole PHP circle jerk, including "Facebook uses PHP, so it must be good"
16:35
@Olumide At this point he's at least got a net positive rep.
@Olumide Probably not once we close as a dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/4452557/…
needs one more reopen vote
@Olumide he's got 4/5 reopen votes
He's almost there. -1. One more to go ...
There, "closed as dupe".
@RMartinhoFernandes whoa, how'd that happen? (Can I do that?)
16:38
@MooingDuck Edit.
That's what said above.
@MooingDuck he didn't actually close, he just edited it.
Reopening to close again just to get a dupe notice is stupid.
@SamDeHaan It's already closed!
Hahaha ... He's dead :/
@RMartinhoFernandes Not any more trollololol.
ah, it appears to be open again and I can't vote to close >.<
16:39
@SamDeHaan Oh great...
@MooingDuck Yeah, I cast the final reopen. But now I can't close it as dupe either :(
Hey, do you get points for upvotes on comments?
@Prætorian That's why I said editing is better. You can't vote to close twice (that's a good thing).
@Olumide Nope.
@Olumide There's a badge for a comment with 10 votes, but that's all.
16:40
@RMartinhoFernandes It's already got 3 close votes. It'll be closed soon enough
@Prætorian Its already closed
@Olumide No, it's not. They fucked up.
@RMartinhoFernandes It's about pedantry, Robot. Surely Lounge, of all places, can respect pedantry.
Hahaha ... You know what? He earned 20 points for that question! Lots of pity upvotes I suppose.
@SamDeHaan And what about efficiency?
There should be a badge for editing a closed question with -5 and getting it back to 0 and reopened. — Mysticial 2 mins ago
@Mysticial if you bring that to meta, I'll +1.
16:43
@RMartinhoFernandes +2
@RMartinhoFernandes It's been proposed before.
@RMartinhoFernandes Pedantry > efficiency, at least on Fridays.
Ok, all ended well.
He's riding high, gaining 25 points. How does that work? Upvotes count more than downvotes! (scratches head)
@Olumide Yeah, it's +5 and -2.
16:48
A few more questions like that and he'll top my 299 points :)
Yeah, real-time vote updates are definitely not working. I opened a window to that branch predictor question. 5 min. later, nothing changed. Then I refreshed and there were a couple new votes.
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I really never realised how aweful php was
What's the easiest/correct way to flag that a proposed edit should be a comment?
Just flag the post with the edit? I don't see any way to actually flag a proposed edit
@SamDeHaan There's a reject reason for that I think.
Check the reject options.
Does that auto-flag? That would be shiny.
16:56
no
Why all the PHP hate all of a sudden?
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I just read that article and I feel hatred for it now :P
@FredOverflow Dunno... I think it has it's uses./
@JimNorton Punishing devs who have been behaving poorly? "In order to redeem yourself, you'll have to develop X... in PHP"
I have a terrible ethical dilemma. Well, at least, dietary.
A new Indian restaurant opened down the street serving the best food in town, for just a few bucks.
17:07
@SamDeHaan Yes, that is one use for sure.
:4327487Why a delemma?
But this stuff has to be 50% butter by weight.
@Potatoswatter Well duh, you already told us it was good.
What am I to do? And should I stop telling my friends to go there for the sake of their health Xv)
Yikes, that's not good at all... might taste good.
@SamDeHaan I put a {comment moved from proposed edit by [user](user)} text... comment, and then reject as "edit is comment"
17:09
@Potatoswatter What is the dillema?
Well, butter isn't the reason it tastes good. I prefer a very low fat diet, and I tend to get a little sick after eating there.
@Potatoswatter Eat well, excersise daily, die anyway.
@JimNorton To eat or not to eat?
@Potatoswatter If you have friends who have difficulty maintaining a healthy weight, go to a different restaurant when you go eat with them. In moderation, with an active lifestyle, it's not going to kill you.
@Potatoswatter That is the question! For which I answer in the affirmative.
17:11
I think next time I'll ask the chef to use less butter and see what happens. I met him today, friendly guy… or now…
Usually you can substitute some yoghurt for even more flavor…
I'd give my left nut for a butterectomy about now… hmm that doesn't sound good.
I worry that too much PHP criticism will drive PHP enthusiasts to become Juggalo software developers -- "we use it *because* it is crap!"
@RMartinhoFernandes He's got a point.
Yes, random flaggers, I do think the post to iOS chat was offensive. In fact, reminding me of the very existence of iOS is offensive.
Oh, and by the way, hi everybody.
@EtiennedeMartel He would, if the concept of "too much PHP criticism" wasn't idiotic. No amount of criticism of PHP can possibly be "too much".
If anyone unironically tells me they use PHP because it's crap, I'm going to laugh at them for months.
@CatPlusPlus I'll just give them my handy, dandy, extra-special implementation of brainfuck, and tell them to have a blast.
@RMartinhoFernandes Did that just happen to you?
You win at Java…
Well more precisely Java lost.
My Brainfuck implementation is the bestest.
@Potatoswatter Yeah.
@Potatoswatter If you're curious, the "Details" were "GC overhead limit exceeded".
17:29
Honestly, what more needs to be said?
@RMartinhoFernandes Obviously they've been taking lessons from Apple about how to write informative, useful error messages.
You probably had to wait patiently for that error to appear, too.
Now at least we know that it sometimes concedes defeat :D
The best worst part is, it's 100% reproducible.
@CatPlusPlus codez?
I'm in the middle of refactoring it.
17:33
Re-what? Are we talking about a bra*nfuck interpreter here?
@CatPlusPlus Hipsters love irony.
I also love ironing hipsters.
@RMartinhoFernandes He didn't say interpreter. Maybe it compiles to cubin?
@EtiennedeMartel Do you never tire of tire ironing them?
@Potatoswatter Of course not.
@Potatoswatter Not that much. A few seconds actually.
Fortunately, I have lots more RAM than it deigns itself to use. It OOMs at 2GB, AFAIK.
And now I get the same thing, but the message is just "Java heap space" Awesome.
And this is just when compiling my project.
Fuck this shit. I'm going home.
Also, I'm grumpy.
Perhaps it's using "heap" as an malapropism adjective meaning "large."
17:39
@RMartinhoFernandes Maybe you should change the room name first...
You're still one step away from a message that says simply "ugh."
I know when to make a strategic withdrawal. I shall return next Monday and beat it.
Or, as some other robot said, "I'll be back."
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@Potatoswatter "error F4U12"
Hello there!
ahoy
17:55
There's a guy at work that we nicknamed "PHP man". I'll let you guess what his job description is.
@EtiennedeMartel His job is to use some sugar syntax?
@user1131997 Ha.
PHP Riddle ( data type )

$x - ?

if($x == 1) echo "1";
if($x == 2) echo "2";
if($x == 3) echo "3";

Q: "Which value must be $x to print 123 in output, requirement - you may assign value only once!"
what does == in PHP means?
18:00
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Q: Unable to upvote binary perfect question and answers

KalamaneToday, I came across a very well written question with several high quality answers. However, because of the binary perfection displayed before me, I was unable to upvote them. Even now, I feel compelled to use my downvotes to protect the sanctity of this question. Is this behavior by design, ...

wtf?
@akappa theoretically, the same as C++: value equivalence. In practice...
in PHP there are == and ===
=== check data type also
== doesn't
in PHP
so there must be something awful with automatic datatype conversion
$x = true;
then will print 123
and true is equal to two?
18:01
PHP is not also dynamic, but weak dynamic
Yep. Because then == convers the right hand side to boolean. And true is equal to true.
@akappa in PHP without data check - yes :)
If you want to avoid that automatic conversion, use ===.
Next question: What does `<?=~žœ›š™˜—–•”“’‘ŽŒ‹Š‰ˆ‡†…;` output ?
1. A syntax error
2. A runtime error
3. The alphabet
@Mysticial that's awesome. I've been there
18:04
@Mysticial harhar epic
trolling meta
@copy Zend compression result?
lol, no longer at 64
@user1131997 What ? No ...
This question has a score of 0. Nobody touch a thing!Dennis 3 mins ago
@copy is that still PHP?
String literal without quotes, ~ reverses all the bits
18:07
@user1131997: that example stinks, but I guess it all boils down to put discipline while programming in order to not end up with that uglyness. If you look at it that way, it is not too distant to C++ and the mess you get if you don't follow through well-established idioms
@copy the alphabet and a notice ^^
All PHP code beyond this message will be binned.
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@MooingDuck how are you?
@user1131997 good, I guess
@MooingDuck why does Boost have only 3 classic substring in string search algorithms?
18:14
Because they met their algorithm quota for that month and then forgot about it.
@user1131997 no idea what you're talking about
@user1131997 why would you even want 3?
The Boost Algorithm Library
Searching Algorithms
Boyer-Moore Search
Boyer-Moore-Horspool Search
Knuth-Morris-Pratt Search
onlu three ( besides, that BMH is more 2 in 1 with BM )
there is an infinity of substring search algorithms. Do you expect them to implement'em all?
18:17
@user1131997 Wow, I remember learning Knuth-Morris-Pratt in algorithms lectures.
@user1131997 Why would you want three? I only want two. Or really: one optimized.
@akappa there are some 4-5 very famous and more useful also
@user1131997 Perhaps it's because everyone who wants a different algorithm comes on here to whine about it instead of sending them a patch.
@MooingDuck in different situatitions one is better or another
@user1131997: if you don't account for ancient algorithms, each algorithm has an edge over an another in at least a setting. That's why there is an infinity of them, and that's why they implemented only the very classical three
18:19
@akappa all right, what algorithm is better for chemical calclulations?
@user1131997 we have one algorithm for short "heystacks", one for long "heystacks" with the key being uncommon, and one for long "heystacks" with the key being uncommon. And the first can be a mere optimization of the other two. I see no need for more than two.
@user1131997: I don't have a clue, of course
Presumably on today's architectures, the length of your needle compared to a cache line makes a huge difference to what algorithm you want to use.
@MooingDuck Don't you know you have to have a different algo for each corner case for TRUE PERFORMANCE.
@user1131997 I think it matters less than you think it does, and you should just use one
18:24
I'm leaving. Goodbye
In fact the wikipedia page on Boyer-Moore-Horspool says "It is a simplification of the Boyer–Moore string search algorithm which is related to the Knuth–Morris–Pratt algorithm." That's how similar they are.
@akappa bye
@akappa alright, see you later
all right, let's do next, there are next algos, which in your oppinion are useful for you?

- Aho–Corasick
- Boyer–Moore
- Rabin–Karp
- Z-function
- Bitup
- KMP
- bassed on hash shifts variations
Which of the algos build finite state machine in its body?
pop quiz, hotshot
18:27
I don't want a searching algorithm, I want a finding algorithm.
@user1131997 are you quizzing us? Why?
@user1131997 I can't find a bitup algorithm
@user1131997 nor the Z-function
Z-фу́нкция от строки S - массив Z, каждый элемент которого Z[i] равен длиннейшему префиксу подстроки, начинающейся с позиции i в строке S, который одновременно является и префиксом всей строки S. Значение Z-функции в нулевой позиции cчитается равным длине всей строки. Часто Z-функцию записывают в виде вектора длиной \left| S \right|. Например, для строки 'abcdabscabcdabia' Z-функция будет такой: Z(abcdabscabcdabia)=[16,0,0,0,2,0,0,0,6,0,0,0,2,0,0,1]. Z-функция используется в различных алгоритмах обработки строк. В частности, с её помощью можно быстро решать задачу о поиске вхождения одной...
@MooingDuck Plonk and forget.
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18:31
@user1131997 that doesn't appear to be comparable to the others, since it's a fuzzy search
I applied the plonkinator. Feels good now.
@user1131997 Rabin-Karp is also a fuzzy matcher.
@MooingDuck as based on hash-shidfs algos, they are not comparable too
@user1131997 if you want string finding just use Knuth–Morris–Pratt unless you've profiled a linear search to be faster.
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@sbi going all memes.. wtf happened while I was out of internet?
18:44
@MooingDuck How can I delete a file in C++ without using the remove() function from the C standard library?
Xeo
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@user1131997 Boost.Filesystem
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I was, atleast on my PC
iTouch :)
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@Xeo I sent you a mail and a Twitter DM. It was rather urgent. You might have missed a chance. And I am quite embarrassed towards some 3rd person.
@Xeo #include <stdlib.h> system("del file.txt");
Xeo
Xeo
18:47
@sbi Ugh...
I have to admit that I neglected my mails for quite some time now
@Potatoswatter no, I just have not asked Mooning duck
Xeo
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Also, what is a Twitter DM?
@Potatoswatter I was awaiting for a long time to ask this question the real Moaning Duck )
Xeo
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Oh, direct message
18:50
@user1131997 Asking a different person does not a different question make. Also, ducks never wear pants, not even Donald.
Xeo
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They don't seem to get displayed anywhere besides the "direct messages" page... or I missed it
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bored..
damn..I can't seem to find my cellphone
@Potatoswatter I see you like my Q :)
Als
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@user1131997 huh?
@Als you were bored
Als
Als
18:53
@user1131997 Are you a crazy woman like that or something?
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@sbi I SO SORRY! D:
@Als no, that crazy woman is from one crazy russian TV-show, which hate all our country
it has name DOM-2 ( aka House-2 )
sbi
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@Xeo They also send mails for me.
it's showing for more than 10+ years and still not ending
sbi
sbi
Sorry, but that was too much.
Als
Als
18:55
@user1131997 I see..russian crazy woman.
ow, that odd-number thing again?
@sbi nice move
Als
Als
@sbi why was it too much?
@Abyx yeap, how are you? what's the wheater in Spb?
18:57
Hah, I can has 1k reputation finally.
sbi
sbi
@Als Too big, too obscenely mean, too ugly.
(Admit that you're just testing whether I get your pings.)
@user1131997 as always, sorta cold and cloudy
@Abyx cool
@user1131997 "MOO"
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@user1131997 literally
18:59
@user1131997 why do you keep asking strange questions in chat.
Als
Als
@sbi Maybe or Maybe not, doesn't really matter
@Abyx as clear as a crystal
sbi
sbi
@MooingDuck Because there's always one who answers?
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:)
@sbi I have count more than 5

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