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00:07
You should just tell [the miners returning the cards] that the transaction is irreversible. I think they will understand
@nwp spelling mistake ... I typed wps_applicant instead ...
00:40
While digging into devirtualization I found this weird C++11 quirk https://godbolt.org/g/4M8Cnw What will be printed?
"weird quirk"
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It's not the obvious "AB"?
It's the obvious "UB"
and it never printed "Undefined Behavior"
he got you there
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Guess it's some union thing. I haven't used that in ages.
@LucDanton Yeah I seent it. I'm not into humor with people who publicly smear the language with polls like that
00:51
the only UB bit he does is overwrite one field without destroying the previous value
but A doesn't have a destructor...
@ratchetfreak every class has a destructor
but trivially destructable types don't need to be destructed before they can be overwritten
well spotted
though from the twitter thread its about the assignment operator, u.a=A() not reiniting the vtable
placement new is the proper way to init the field
@ratchetfreak very badly spotted this time however
@nwp the ergonomics of unions (which don’t even deserve to be called that) don’t leave room for half-assing it as the OP did
00:55
@LucDanton Fuckers making it impossible for me to get a new video card with flashy RGB.
@sehe maybe we should blame all those languages that have you write this.member = init; in constructors or similar :)
That too
@LucDanton lmao
@LucDanton je pense que Macron a parfaitement cerné le personnage
@RobertTroipartrois with the rework of mesmer you can start from scratch just like everybody else!
yeah I guess, been considering that
it just feels daunting
my other characters just have so much stuff in their inventory that I forget what's useful and what isn't
Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet quitte la politique pour rejoindre Capgemini
si elle pouvait couler cette boîte la France lui serait reconnaissante
@RobertTroipartrois I funnel everything to the same character, and then don’t play it
who said necromancers were good for nothing :)
I certainly didn't, they were very good in PvP for a short while
01:20
Poitiers : après un carton rouge le footballeur revient avec un fusil
#PasLEssonne
And useless and pretty much everything else
@LucDanton Corse ?
oui Poitiers en Corse
"On voit ça à Paris ou à Marseille, mais pas chez nous!" s'inquiète un joueur.
lmao
Ou en Corse !
01:34
Instead of safely sending manned spaceship to Mars and making truly self driving cars, a not autonomous car is sent to orbit the space.
yeah keep on making useless stuff in the name of innovation, we will see dow jones jump off a cliff in the next 3 days because of stupidity of humankind
jump of stock index yesterday like a dead cat bounce
02:20
@RobertTroipartrois sympathique lecture en effet, je te balance celui-ci en échange
 
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04:08
@LucDanton I am not very surprised. I'm from Brittany myself, and my grandparents didn't understand each other's Breton at the beginning, as they were from towns distant by about 50 km.
And that was not long ago, early 20th century. When I was a kid (some 20 years ago), my great grandmother understood some French but was unable to speak any.
 
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05:10
You are part French? I always imaged you as part Mongol ...
05:22
Looking at your face you're definitely more than just part Mongol ;)
if you are part something of course you are more ... you have other parts of ...
If you meant Han then yes I am part Han
I have a friend whose surname is Han but she's Korean instead ...
 
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07:42
#allthegibberish
 
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Ven
Ven
08:56
Helo
@sehe You should feel right at home ;).
hm
would it make sense to copy the dataset 4 times into memory if 4 cores are going to be reading from it?
this could theoretically result in a perf improvement, right?
Hello
Have you tried F#?
09:01
And...?
How is it?
It's a worse Haskell
Ven
Ven
it's a .net caml.
It's hard knock life.
What's the worst part?
I mean the different specialized monads and notations for them are amusing
@Shoe mutability strikes where you least expect it
also you have to call .NET code with tuples
Ven
Ven
I mean you have to use a special operator for mutability
09:02
wait
Ven
Ven
But yeah calling into .net overloads via tuples is a nasty hack
what
lol
Ven
Ven
Well in F# to call an overloaded .net method you'd do Csharpfn(1,2,3)
which is actually a call to Csharpfn with the tuple (1,2,3).
which is as unidiomatic as it can get and practically annoying
Ven
Ven
But since you run into precedence issues, i.e. if you wanted to print, you need to write print (Csharpfn(1,2,3))
09:03
How's Haskell doing?
pretty good
a new proposal for block do just landed
there have been a few turmoils recently over the package indices
Did they fix records and monad composition?
:(
Ven
Ven
monad composition is fine
09:06
also that ^
also it's still the best language out there and the ecosystem is getting better and better
and Turnip is alive
With what? Monad transformers? Free monad?
I think it's called extensible effects. I don't remember ATM
@Shoe multiple ways
I never had problems with transformers myself
I have an irrational hate for monad transformers
Ven
Ven
Effects is one approach, monad transformers the other.
sure unordered extensible effects could be nicer to use but really
Ven
Ven
09:09
Just like you can use maybe or union null.
it's already miles ahead of any OOP imperative language with no contexts at all
Ven
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz Not according to PureScript users, who apparently mostly came back to an IO-like – if I've understood correctly /cc @rightfold.
@Ven We should ask @Ell how is Idris going as well
What about simulating coroutines?
Ven
Ven
I think I'm able to tell better than he is
09:10
Wait
Do coroutines make sense in Haskell?
@Shoe there's Cont
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Turnip is alive [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++17] [c++-faq]
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@BartekBanachewicz No, not on reasonable machines. Each core would have a copy in its cache and as long as you don't modify the data there is no cache invalidation. The copies (if not optimized out) would just result in more cache misses for no gain.
09:47
Star man is bringing out the best [in] people again
Thanks, John. That is really helpful
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Stupid NASA SpaceX forgot to fake in the moon in their fake videos again.
They didn't, actually. But, don't fret, there's other problems people will come up with!
Predictable, isn't it
At least /some/ don't assume they know everything while being paranoid:
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Maybe Elon is just a noob at faking space videos. He should have just hired some people from Star Trek, they never forget to add stars.
Already seen some comments about the "fisheye lense failing" during take off.
Flat Earthers
I'd leave fanatics in their enclosed section to stay sane :)
09:55
@nwp And sounds!
@nwp how could they, its in the title
10:21
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Q: C++17 Inheriting set of lambdas with template argument deduction guides

paceholderI was looking at the article on std::variant http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/utility/variant/visit The example contains essentially the following lines (sligtly modified by me): template<class... Ts> struct overloaded : Ts... { using Ts::operator()...; }; template<class... Ts> overloaded(Ts...) -

I honestly don't know :S
the body of overloaded is all bodies of lambdas and { using Ts::operator()...; } ops
is the deduction line causing this?
~~C++~~
@milleniumbug no really
Reminder nasa put an electric car on the moon that you could actually drive 50 years ago
10:52
hi
@sehe punny
 
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13:03
is gone.
Maybe it never existed. I could have sworn it did.
It exists on codereview.
Thanks for getting abused as ducks.
Ven
Ven
@nwp Do not abuse ducks
ducks are very honest about what they are
13:44
geese a better, they are honest when they want to attack you even though you are bigger
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something ->* []{}; is totally valid C++. The rabbit hole goes deeper than I thought. (via)
Ven
Ven
14:09
@nwp I mean...
14:24
15:06
@Feeds It took me literally years to find a backpack that met my desires. And even now, I'm not sure if I don't still want to look into getting one custom made.
nwp
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My requirements are pretty low. Dark single color and fits laptop. I don't think I ever spent more than 10 minutes or so on that.
15:21
@nwp You must have made some decisions about amount of pockets and such, didn't you?
Ven
Ven
I asked my sis to pick one up for me, didn't look back.
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@wilx I don't think so. I have never seen a backpack that can fit a 15.4'' laptop but doesn't have enough space left to fit a bottle and the charger. That's all I need.
Sometimes it's some ugly army design and I somewhat struggle to decide if I should let vanity guide my purchasing decisions, but usually they have a simple black one.
I think normal people call the "vanity" I mentioned "style".
It took me few hours to find this one that I liked when I had to pick a new one: ospreyeurope.com/shop/fi_en/comet-30-1
Many pockets and partitions.
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That's like 2-3x above what I'm willing to pay.
@nwp Well, backpacks last several years for me.
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15:31
For me too.
Usually I buy a new one because people complain that I had the same backpack for x years and it doesn't look good anymore. Maybe I just got lucky.
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16:21
It will be O(n^2.5)CodeHunter 2 mins ago
Free homework service!
sbi
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@Borgleader Wrong on so many levels?
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16:43
I think writing HTML mail template is the worst thing in web development
It's like webbrowsers evolved but mail renderer are still stuck in 1998
17:03
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Choosing the worst thing in web development is like trying to decide which is the worst way to die: cancer, burning, freezing, Ebola, being drawn and quartered, etc.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Imagine this multiplied by doing that in a .bat file using echo and output redirection and having to escape all the < with ^< and such.
Yes. I did that.
you can write a script to escape them
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'd prefer to escape from escaping them.
create a program that parses a html-like file that can be annotated with code that outputs custom stuff as needed (aka reinvent php but better)
I have to inline css in the element and use tables all the way
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17:15
@ratchetfreak Are you implying php but worse is a possibility?
@nwp you can always make a worse php
well anything done with php is worse than just php
@nwp Horrifyingly enough, it is. We'd just have to convince Rasmus Lerdorf to start over, and we'd get PHP with second-system effect added!
17:57
@sbi Oh that is so wrong xD
18:30
I took a look at one R module source. I shouldn't have done that: github.com/cran/gap/blob/master/src/gcx.c
18:50
hey
im currently looking for projects to work on to improve my skills
where do i go about doing this???
like (very) small open source contributions
i find it hard to find small projects to work on to improve my overall skill level
19:01
don't be afraid of larger projects
or start your own medium/large project
yeah
i find (in employment) you start by fixing bits and bobs
before you start a fresh project. So this makes it much easier to learn
also check out codereview.SE
"There's nothing here, yet."
that what i get with that link
I meant the stackexchange: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions
it lets you post snippets and get them reviewed
19:32
is there good way on github to find easy side projects to work on?
not to my knowledge, though you can browse the language tags you are interested in and look around
what do you use c++ for mainly @ratchetfreak ?
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19:50
@Permian Just make a game or something and read some books. Jumping into community projects is not a good learning strategy.
really? @nwp
its just that at work i have learnt by altering existing projects first. I was trying to find something similar for learning new things.
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Unless you have a mentor teaching you I would not recommend it. Also open source communities can be rather harsh.
@nwp how do you get better/new skills?
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By making a project which reveals what skills you don't have and then figuring it out.
ah ok
thinking of these projects is hard lol
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19:56
How is that hard? Start by making pong. Or super mario.
Maybe a chat client if you don't find games interesting.
there is no need to start with something unique
20:47
@nwp deep? that's not deep IMO
This is clearly one of the reasons why I do not necessarily use the latest syntax stuff. You can't even google that. — Thomas Weller May 12 '14 at 21:34
Also. "the latest syntax stuff". Feature has been in c++ at least since c++89 IYAM
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Well, clearly you went in deeper than I did. I thought if you go too deep it might hurt something. But if others went in there before me I guess it's fine.
Thanks.
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@QuaxtonHale You shouldn't just dump your question here. It usually causes it to suddenly accumulate downvotes.
Right, okay.
21:07
@sehe now now, let’s be fair here, it’s perfectly fine to stay away from all the pointer-to-member stuff, it’s not exactly a killer feature of c++
and of course you yourself should be able to easily see through ->* syntax: weren’t you raised on a strict diet of pointakaas?
Oh yeah. It's just silly to argue that because "latest syntax stuff"
really it's obscure never-used syntax stuff
@LucDanton pinda_cast<>
@ratchetfreak Not never, just only for "transparant proxy kind of misfeatures"
yesterday, by Luc Danton
the C++2a grammar for lambda expressions seemingly allows for e.g. []<auto>{}
speaking of the latest
char test2[6] = {test[0], test[1], test[2], test[3], test[4], test[5]}. — Jarod42 40 secs ago
i hope that was in jest
21:28
@milleniumbug There's no need to do any of that. SDL_DestroyWindow is a perfectly fine deleter function. — Nikos C. 1 min ago
do I explain things that badly or people are deaf
Why not both
22:00
@sehe I don't know about '89, but it certainly wasn't new when '98 was released anyway.
 
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23:33
@Mysticial this yours? github.com/google/cpu_features
23:56
 jumbo drone flies humans
and? jumbo drone is just a modified helicopter?

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