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@sehe wat
01:17
@sehe wonderful
only hears short sells banned, hardly ever hears short sells ban lifted
stock index is jump off a cliff again
short sells are banned in China only, not in functioning markets
youngster not aware 2008 financial crisis stock market measures
oldie unable to read "functioning"
falling market is also a functioning market
bubbles are not healthy for stock market
01:27
> financial crisis
> functioning
please pick one
define functioning
@sehe it’s unimportant of course but implementing with a dispatch is ever so slightly more verbose than going with constexpr if
 
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installing update 1 of 168
 
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04:21
E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
how do I solve this problem?
nvm ... got it
04:40
the C++2a grammar for lambda expressions seemingly allows for e.g. []<auto>{}
04:57
@JerryCoffin You mentioned that the ASIO API in boost may become standard in C++ a while back. May I ask for an updated opinion on this?
Or whoever else who cares to share
05:17
@J.L.Louis It was written up as a TS, and has been sent to the ISO for publication. Assuming it goes well, the next round of standardization, it'll probably get pulled into the standard proper.
spent half of afternoon unintentionally regressing
@TelautonomousKitty It's generally better to do one's regression at night.
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Q: Fold expressions in MSVC

EvgenyI have the following function that computes the mean value: template<typename... Ts> auto mean_of(const Ts... values) { return (... + values) / static_cast<double>(sizeof...(Ts)); } With VS 2017 15.6.0 Preview 3 the following code std::cout << mean_of(1, 3); outputs 2.5. It seems that M...

0, 1, infinity, who knows what’s happening anymore?
05:32
@JerryCoffin Thanks, it's about time C++ gets a networking library.
@LucDanton Nobody. But then, nobody ever really did. They just thought they did, and now they're closer to realizing the truth.
My week has been great: nothing is progressing and everything is failing ...
PC spent the past 3 hours installing then reverting failed configuration to window updates
and after I upgraded a package on another machine, it stopped working altogether ...
@JerryCoffin how to unintentionally do anything at specific time?
06:14
@TelautonomousKitty Carefully, of course. You're an adult, aren't you? Why do you ask such silly questions?
06:28
@LucDanton My theory is that MSVC doesn't test these due to long compile times.
Also doesn't build on 2017 RTW
07:12
stuff python, I am going for a complete new install on my pi
 
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08:27
Heyo
jww
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08:58
Hi Everyone. I'm looking for GCC 8, but Fedora only provides GCC 7.2. Does anyone know a distro shipping GCC 8? Bonus points for an ARM distro shipping it.
09:09
@jww I assume distros like Gentoo will have even the bleeding edge compilers.
Actually 8 is too new for gentoo
@jww You need to build your own
quick thing is to use an online compiler...
10:13
@Mikhail It's not too new for gentoo if you can build your own you can make an ebuild for it
I just fixed an ebuild so I can install apache-tools with libressl
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@jww Looks like gcc 8.0 does not exist. You can build the head from source, but it is not the same.
but on a more serious tone, gentoo just made GCC6 the bare minimum...
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They have a branch for what will become gcc 8, so it should be easy to get the source for the current state.
I don't have a bleeding edge ebuild for gcc on gentoo. May be there is an overlay for this
Last Hope overlay 404 not found :(
 
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12:03
wtf apple send me an email addressing the wrong person and his/her app
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Did they tell you they will remove your app unless you visit buyviagra.ci.al.is right now?
@Prismatic Glad to see you're alive, we were quite worried for you.
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@nwp totally someone else with someone else's app
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12:18
I can't tell if that is spam garbage or actually means something. Is that what apple mails usually look like?
Subject:   	View your last month's results.
From:   	"Apple Search Ads" <[email protected]>
from nwk-txn-msbadger0702.apple.com (nwk-txn-msbadger0702.apple.com [17.151.1.81])
     (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
     (No client certificate requested)
what email client are you using? the mail may be spoofed
well, apple gave me $100 ads money, so I am running an ad campaign on apple search ad
I don't think apple sends their precious emails from servers with names looking this crummy
it's the month summary
@login_not_failed that's the full header
12:26
idk, it looks odd to me, but I rarely received emails from apple, so it may be actually fine
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Do the links link to what the text says they do?
yup, I'd check that too, symbol by symbol
I checked last time I received their monthly summary, it's addressed to me and my app ... and it was exactly one month ago ...
or dump into hex editor to ensure the domain is entirely ascii
have you thought about adopt baby chickens as pet, it's good for your mental health ...
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12:32
"citation needed"
@TelautonomousKitty a somewhat biased source
all sources are biased
@TelautonomousKitty but that website is literally trying to sell chicken coops
But it's not trying to sell chickens, is it? You could keep chickens under your desk without buying a coop ...
12:54
they still make you interested in chickens, so that one day you'll finally buy a coop from them
13:42
I'm writing a C++ code style guide at work. It's more work than I expected.
But at least I get to write it :)
@StackedCrooked and you get paid to write it I guess.
That too.
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@StackedCrooked Did you watch the google's style guide video? Would recommend.
@nwp I watched that a long time ago. Should probably rewatch it.
Ven
Ven
14:12
@nwp you'd... recommend it?
Did it evolve that significantly?
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I recommend the video because it has one of the 3 maintainers of the google style guide explain why you should not use it.
And because it helps creating a better one.
Ven
Ven
aaaaaaah :D
> I wish auto keyword was removed from C++11. I hate auto, it's a trade of between laziness and readability. A programmer should never be lazy.
It's hard to be that wrong. It took @Griwes years to master that level of wrongness.
So, I have been hunting an issue with OSGi class loader, why can't it find org.apache.el.ExpressionFactoryImpl when the jar and the class is there. For at least 5 days.
is the jar added to the class path?
It turns out I missed a comma when I was rearranging the manifest in pom.xml and thus the two now unseparated package names got concatenated in MANIFEST.MF and the class is in one of them. The package was not being exported.
5 days for a comma.
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14:19
I've had similar issues with .pro files.
and no warning for unknown package failing to export?
@ratchetfreak I tried bundle:bundle bundle:verify but the verify part says all of my packages do not exist.
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SOURCES += \
    f1.cpp\
    f3.cpp\
    f2.cpp
project build tools are atrocious to debug when something (eventually) goes wrong
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And then you rearrange and qmake doesn't give you an error and just doesn't build some files.
Arguably it should be SOURCES += *.cpp anyways.
14:21
@nwp :D
how to diagnose wpa_supplicant on command line
it's not working on pi again now I installed another img lol
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@TelautonomousKitty You typed that into the wrong box. Try your browser's address bar instead.
I have already searched, just not connecting to the hotspot on my phone
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There typically is a --verbose option. If it isn't use --help to figure out which flag is correct.
 
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Interesting project. History of RPGs.
16:13
Wow. I spent too long :) Note however this sample sorts under the one section I labeled "Don't though" in my answer. See also stackoverflow.com/questions/8259440/…sehe 5 mins ago
FGIW rarely happens on boost questions.
I must say I think it hurts the quality. Accepted within minutes
@nwp people are adamant about not doing that (I think they make valid points, but I too use wildcards)
16:50
FirefoxScreenshots is a cool feature
17:30
@sehe Accepted within minutes may or may not have much effect. Accepting an answer right on the edge between poor and downright wrong certainly hurts quality though.
@Mysticial "download moar rep"! :-)
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17:54
Apr 27 '16 at 17:59, by nwp
can someone lend me 6k rep so I can see closed questions? I'll pay you back in 3-5 years
nobody did :(
@nwp as a matter of policy I only lend to Nigerian royalty
18:10
@nwp You should have posted it on the first of April instead!
How would I call the size of a pointer on a particular architecture
The word size?
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That would match the common definition which disagrees with Intel.
What do you need it for?
My bachelor dissertation
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In that case you should find a reference where that is the definition and add a footnote to the first occurrence of that word.
Not wikipedia obviously because our education systems are biased.
18:28
@nwp I think that Intel call it the word size too.
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I thought intel had the word == 16 bits, double word == 32 bits, quad word == 64 bits definition.
no
I'm pretty sure that's a Win32 thing, and they only did it because they noobed up and called things after the word size when really they were of a fixed size.
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I'm pretty sure M$ copied that from intel.
Does word size equal the addressing range? (I.e is word size 4 bytes on a 32-bit machine?)
Or is that not always the case?
18:35
I see.
@nwp As far as I know, that's correct--it originated from Intel's assembler.
@nwp I'm pretty sure that people who use the term M$ should fuck off
@StackedCrooked No, it's not the case. For example, the 8086 and 186 had 16 bit registers, but 20 bit addressing. The 286 in real mode was the same, and in protected mode it had 24 bit addressing (but still 16-bit registers).
Hm. Weird.
In both cases, there was essentially nothing else (visible) in the CPU that matched the addressing range.
18:39
@Mysticial sigh not sure if troll or just naive af
@StackedCrooked At one time it was common and pretty much a necessity. For example, an 8-bit CPU that could only address 256 bytes of memory would have been pretty useless, so essentially all of them had 16-bit addressing.
@Borgleader I'm guessing at "troll who's too naive to troll well". :-)
18:53
> The power contribution from the necromancer to the damage portion of this trait has been increased by about 1,200%.
@RobertTroipartrois classic anet fine tuning
@JerryCoffin that works too
Just got out of a meeting with AMD. Now I have to be careful what I say online. lol
Since I don't know what's NDA and what isn't.
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Really? What was it about?
"AMD products"
@Mysticial Trust me: none of it is NDA. You can tell us everything! :-)
19:07
I get a little giddy about this stuff since I'm obviously a huge hardware enthusiast. And this job gives me access to all sorts of insider stuff. I just have to impose a 6 month - 1 year delay before I can say anything about it.
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You are actually allowed to talk to people who signed the NDA. And Jerry signed it in the name of the lounge.
Most of the stuff I got from an Intel meeting I had last year is public now. But this AMD meeting will be another year at least.
Probably gonna be more than a year. A lot of info about Zen 2. And that's not coming out until 2019.
19:44
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Q: Why would you explicitly move a forwarding reference?

Trevor HickeyI'm looking at some code, and I see the following function: template <typename... Args> static return_t make_return(Args &&... args) { // using std::forward<Args> will preserve lvalue args as such, but the point of this function // is to make a return, where the 99.9+% case is moving a...

a not terrible question
marks calendar
@Mysticial Is that even public?
@Borgleader Yes it is. The public road map already has Zen 2 in 2019.
But I can neither confirm nor deny the public 2019 date.
@Mysticial On the other hand, the mere fact that you point toward that particular item to "neither confirm nor deny" could mean something all by itself... :-)
@JerryCoffin I can neither confirm nor deny that either. :)
20:06
I wanted to buy a nintendo switch and just found out that in Russia, it will be 150$CA more expensive than if I was going to buy it in Canada... And they say Russia is a poor country
Where is he sending his car?
@nwp Or ends up exploding on launch pad.
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Towards mars I was told.
Also, I love Altered Carbon TV series! I almost came in my pants from the Ep 4 Force of Evil.
Well technically if they want to send people to mars by 2024 they'll have to send a lot of stuff on the red planet
Tesla will have to start design off road car soon
20:49
are the people really screaming that long?
any idea why the speed is always increasing
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Probably because they continuously fire the engine.
oh... I think the stage2 is flying to mars for real
and some part landed
well the part that landed might have crashed
hey
im currently reading what every superuser needs to know about linux
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Reusable rockets is a major feature for them.
did anyone else find it really dry?
20:58
@wilx A win-win situation, regardless.
@EtiennedeMartel :D
Yes, not sure how many lunch they can do with the "boosters" but being able to reuse them is a clever thing. I'd guess building new ones all the time is probably a lot more expensive than reusing them
Once SpaceX will be able to send people into space, I'd guess the Russian space program will take a big hit. And Nasa might not sound as useless as right now
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Why would you expect it to have the opposite effect on the american and russian space program?
Russian rockets didn't change much since they were designed "as far as I'm aware"
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix They are pretty good.
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21:02
Lol, so many teslas on twitch's front page :D
Sure they are good, and probably more cost effective than the US shuttle as they are a single shot
Altough it's not clear how SpaceX will make people come back from space.
If they do it the same was as the Russian do, it could become less expensive for SpaceX than the Russian program. But I'm just guessing right now
Russian are really good at making inexpensive things that "just work"
21:29
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix That's certainly what they claim, anyway.
21:51
well yeah, if you can build multiple boosters, you can probably send something on outer space more often
Even more if they could make it work with resuable shuttles
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix the problem with the shuttle was the reuse cost wasn't as good as promised
 
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Yes @Raffzahn, you can order certain systems from HP and Lenovo with FreeDOS installed (as the only operating system). — Stephen Kitt yesterday
oh golly
You can also order Lenovos with rogue root certificates + MiTM adware or fingerprint scanners with a hardcoded password
Dunno which is worse
23:44
can my root certificate be a wizard instead
23:57
Your wish will be granted

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