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12:03 AM
It would be easy to write an analyzer for it
That turned it into a compiler error
 
12:14 AM
My answer on SO was unrelated to the question but was marked as accepted. Their should be a badge for that.
 
what should it be named?
collateral?
side-effect
dunno
 
Telepath
 
12:27 AM
@JohanLarsson The Destroyer
The Soul Eater would be good too
 
Contemplating if I should downvote a question to improve my odds of getting the highly coveted "reversal" badge
 
no, stay classy
 
@Mikhail IMO, a reversal badge should only be awarded if the answer is good enough to subsequently get the question voted to a positive score (e.g., stackoverflow.com/q/15960015/179910).
Of course, it's impossible to be sure my answer is what got it to the positive score, but I like to think so anyway.
 
Start down-voting a question where you have +20
People are sheep, and they will keep downvoting
Question drops to (-5), Profit
 
@Mikhail Only if it started at 0. If your down-vote takes it from +25 to +24, nobody's likely to notice (except the OP).
 
12:41 AM
if there are sheep, there must be leadersheep
 
It's the same story all the time
 
?
 
To be honest, the student in the US are already in a shit system, They should be already rioting
 
Actually Americans don't go to graduate school, hence no rioting
(except for me)
 
12:45 AM
In Quebec, student are really scared of loosing what we have.
Community College?
 
?
 
I mean, it cost around 150$ for 1 year in College for almost any field
 
I'm a talking about graduate school
 
Graduate school is around 2000$ per semester
But technically you can attend for free if you don't want to pass the exams
The price is only to pass the exams and obtain a diploma
 
In the US its de-facto free, but officially the $40k tuition is tax exempt gift or similar. Trump wants to fucking tax that $40k tuition waiver.
 
12:50 AM
here, it takes about $20,000-$50,000 to do a degree in a university, you can take a student loan and repay it when your salary hits certain level
 
The Quebec graduate school system is the same as in the US except the racial makeup is less international, possibly because of the lower rating. Also based entirely on a few days in Laval & Montréal.
 
then current government tried to cut fund to universities but was unsuccessful
 
Pretty much the same, the cost is mainly hidden in taxes that everybody pays
 
also universities, at least the one I went to, depends on donations too
 
As a result an individual is less likely to endup with huge debt. You can technically take a loan and pay later. Government also pays some part what you have to pay depending on your economic situation. And as long as you're a student you're tax exempt
 
12:54 AM
many alumni donate each year (hundreds if not thousands donate, a few even donate a million or two)
 
Sadly, I've had bad experience with university except that reading books at home was a better way to learn anything.
 
Endowment 	A$1.8 billion(2013)
 
2:00 AM
Dishwasher manual, Put the thing X in position 4, if the dishes are stained put it in position 5 try again and increase the position until you have a good result. We recommend position 4.
But nothing about position 1,2,3
 
Its well know that you don't learn shit, but, especially for undergrad, its financially advantageous
 
Well it depends of the field too. I wouldn't trust much a surgeon that learned in his garage practising on hamsters.
 
that isn't undergrad
 
 
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6:40 AM
Do we have any established convention before tagging a question ?
 
@taskinoor Yes, it gets discussed here since we moderate that tag.
And I agree, I vote for adding that tag on that question.
 
@Mysticial Thanks.
 
 
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9:34 AM
that camouflage >_<
 
 
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10:58 AM
Hackable toilets: Former intelligence boss warns of new terror frontier
 
user1804599
@sehe OK
 
12:06 PM
Wow, the spaceship operator might get into C++20 as soon as today
 
ELI5 plz
 
I don't explain programming to 5yo
 
hehehe
 
maybe if you do, the 5yo will grow up and become a programming genius :p
 
terrible idea D:
he will try to be a haxor first
Apparently there will also be votes for std::atomic<std::shared_ptr<T>>, floating point atomics, as well as starts_with/ends_width member functions for string types
 
12:12 PM
yeah we definitely need more string member functions
 
eh, as long as they don't standardize string algorithms, that's surely what they're going to do
Oh, more operator delete overloads appear
 
to please our operator overlords
 
With an std::destroying_delete_t tag
Not sure what it means nor what it actually does
 
lolwhat
 
nwp
template <class T> operator delete(T){ /* Look I fixed my double delete errors! */ }
 
12:18 PM
lol
 
The only linked paper is a wording paper, which isn't great to understand the motivation -_-
 
12:31 PM
Further work encouraged for Class Types in Non-Type Template Parameters
 
@DiegoPereira haha c’est drôle parce que prout !
 
1:29 PM
@LucDanton exact
git prout
 
1:53 PM
Looks like some people are trying to make GCC work with libc++
 
2:21 PM
Hello folks
someone should propose that someobject.nonstaticMemberFunction is of type std::bind(&someobject, &decltype(someobject)::nonstaticMemberFunction) if it's not immediately called. What do you think about this?
or even [&](auto ...X) -> decltype(auto) { return someobject.nonstaticMemberFunction(decltype(X)(X)...); } so it works for overloaded funs
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I think something of this sort is already in the call syntax TS
 
I'm pretty sure it allows you to write a function void foo(bar&) and call it bar.foo()
so in theory to make that work all a non-static member function is is effectively that
if that's not explicit then yes it should be explicitly called out as that would also allow the deprecation and removal of std::mem_fn
 
There was a proposal to make &foo::bar callable, but it was rejected twice
 
shame
 
2:32 PM
And to make a few other things callable too
On the other hand, std::monostate_function<&foo::bar>{} will probably be ready for C++20
 
honestly I'm looking forward to the call syntax TS, if it hasn't gotten too butchered it basically gives C++ C# class extensions
 
What are you calling « call syntax TS »?
 
not sure if it's had much movement because Herb and Bjarne have had higher priority proposals
 
It was killed for a while
And it wasn't a TS IIRC: it targeted the IS directly :p
Speaking of calling stuff, there was an std::call proposal which was quite interesting, but it doesn't look like the author came back with a revised proposal
 
@Morwenn don't we already have std::invoke?
@Morwenn ah I was under the impression that Herb and Bjarne had been told to bring it back as a TS
 
2:41 PM
@Mgetz std::call was std::invoke on steroids
Like, you could write std::call(some_tuple, 2) among other things x)
 
@Morwenn I would expect an implementer's veto on that
 
@Mgetz I don't remember that part ^^" I thought that many in the committee were pretty hostile to language features TS
@Mgetz why?
 
@Morwenn no idea
 
There was a complete implementation in the paper
 
@Morwenn because it's going to require annoying compiler magic
 
2:42 PM
It didn't
 
ok then...
 
3:14 PM
There have been some many discussions about modules during this week's meeting
At least two groups have spent each a whole day discussing them
 
3:47 PM
@fredoverflow mordern hipster BS vs classic old fashioned BS
 
nwp
Why do some map-like iterators like this one give you only the value when dereferencing it? Python also does that for dicts if I remember right.
 
Random design decisions, what else?
 
 
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5:17 PM
Good evening!
I've read this: medium.com/@XiaohanZeng/… and have come across a few similar posts describing similar profile jobs lately as well.
The common point between them is: facebook, amazon, some other companies whose product I can't even describe because they don't explicitly say what they do (yet they pay a lot o the right people, it seems).
My question to the collective wisdom of the Lounge:
Are there real jobs left in the IT industry? Medical, CAD, industrial, robotics, geophysical, you name it. Real programming, not helping a company make a few more trillion on advertising.
I'm being quite serious. Asking here because there are quite a few veterans of the industry around. Input appreciated.
 
nwp
No. The entire industry is based on advertisement. Nobody produces anything anymore. Has been like that for a decade or so.
 
@nwp I can't discern if you're being ironic, in all seriousness. That can't be true.
 
My company detects stuff thanks to satellite images
 
In my city (4th city in Russia) there is only one "adversitising" company - Yandex. Then Intel, a few outsourcing giants and then information security, computer vision, a few decent scientifically-enabled startups. Feels quite healthy.
But what I''m trying to understand is: what's with all the hype about the type of companies described in the interview story (linked)?
 
big money
 
5:25 PM
Do young and not so young programmers really want to work there?
It's boring to say the least (for me)..
@Morwenn Higher pay than in "scientific" companies?
 
I want to work somewhere not too boring without pressure and without too many responsibilities x)
 
I finally gained a gram of hope about Brexit
turns out that nobody has any idea how to handle Northern Ireland
and if I'm lucky, that will continue to be true
and we will just have to abandon Brexit
 
what's happening over there?
 
@Morwenn Well, for me, I want to work to benefit of my own country.. and somehow get paid enough
Might mean having to find a way to combine freelance with main 40-hour job. Time will tell, ofc.
 
@Morwenn Nothing.. yet
 
5:31 PM
I mean, what's the deal with Northern Ireland?
 
the basic issue is that Northern Ireland, whilst strictly a part of the UK, is also half a part of Ireland
e.g. Northern Irish citizens have the right to claim both British and Irish citizenship
and there is no border at all between Ireland and Northern Ireland
and they officially have to get Ireland's opinions on a bunch of their policies
 
Eh, seems strange
 
it's a kinda weird place where they're partly part of more than one country
yeah
so the really basic issue that triggers this is that after Ireland became independent from the UK in the early 20th Century, some parts didn't want to leave
and in the 70s and 80s there was a lot of violence there over whether they should be a part of Ireland or the UK
so we basically said "Fuck it, just do both" and that pretty much solved the problem
but
 
xD
 
if the UK leaves the EU, there would have to be a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland to implement customs, immigration, etc
which is a big no-no.
or we would have to have an internal border between Northern Ireland and the rest of UK for the same purposes
both of which are terrible options
 
5:35 PM
I'm surprised that nobody came with a solution before actually proposing Brexit
 
well there's the rub
the biggest problem with Brexit is that the Leave campaign had no idea what to do if they won or how to actually go about exiting without blowing everything up
so we're basically just making this shit up as we go along on a really tight timeframe
and the public voted for Brexit but it's hard to imagine that they seriously considered what the fuck to do about Northern Ireland
which is why I'm really hopeful because when it comes to other issues like citizen rights and money, the UK government could just make some concessions if it became really urgent
but for Northern Ireland, it's not really clear that there's any solution available
and I highly doubt that the government would want to risk rolling back the clock and bringing the IRA back
 
take advantage of the chaos to force people to drive on the other side of the roads :D
It'll only cost several billions
 
and magically switch their steering wheel to the other side while they aren't looking :D
 
and make a bridge through the Channel
 
we have a railway tunnel under the Channel
 
 
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6:54 PM
Today I made some very slow text colors using overly complicated code. Highlights include the QJsonObject_reference_with_proper_iterators and array of pointers to member functions.
There is also opportunity to use structured bindings which will completely break editor features such as auto-completion because I'm using bad tools or tools incorrectly.
Looks like the spaceship operator is in the C++20 draft.
 
there's spaceship operator, but there's no other person in the hierarchy yet
 
so we have tiefighter operator (<=>) can we have x-wing operator next? >=<
i dont have a use case, i just want it
 
7:44 PM
posted on November 11, 2017 by Herb Sutter

A few minutes ago, the ISO C++ committee completed its fall meeting in Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA, hosted with thanks by Sandia National Laboratories. We had some 140 people at the meeting, representing 10 national bodies. As usual, we met for six days Monday through Saturday, including several evenings. The following are some highlights of […]

 
8:28 PM
@thecoshman Advanced Kotlin
 
9:14 PM
> and dtypeFamily =
{mkey: ST.stamp,
members: dtmember vector,
properties: PropList.holder}
Hidden South Park reference?
 
 
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11:26 PM
@fredoverflow very nice
thanks :D
 
Wow. Someone found the time to downvote pthis answer](stackoverflow.com/questions/46435719/…). In wonder what brings people to do that
 
11:57 PM
@sehe up voted again. lol People don't up vote anymore . stackoverflow.com/questions/54585/…
 
It seems like that in the tag
@Mysticial No one is stopping you from going on to B♯ major :) (B♯, C𝄪, D𝄪, E♯, F𝄪, G𝄪, A𝄪, B♯) /cc @JerryCoffin
 

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