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> Juicero, maker of the doomed $400 internet-connected juicer, is shutting down
01:12
Silicon Valley's $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze
01:23
wow juicero went under guess they were really feeling the squeeze certainly a pressing time for them probably ran out of liquid assets
Jan 30 '15 at 2:30, by Borgleader
"Hi I have a question about my retirement fund"
"Sir this is a convenience store..."
"I know but it's the only thing open at this hour"
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I had too, it's been too long
 
2 hours later…
03:45
When is that self driving car coming along?
I spent all day driving, could chat in the lounge more often if there were self driving 🚗 >_<
 
6 hours later…
10:19
Shall the dead raise once again?
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Lounge of the dead.
Almost as dead as my motivation :3
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Some relatives made a trip through france and skipped brest, saying it had nothing but WW2 museums.
I need to find a new project idea to motivate myself. Guess it'll come when I least expect it.
@nwp Haha, there are a few WWW2-related things, but almost nothing.
It's not a beautiful city anyway, so they probably didn't miss much.
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@Morwenn Start a C++20 branch and add concepts to everything in your sorting algorithms.
10:26
Stackful coroutines or bust
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Well, if I ever visit brest I'll invite you for a beer.
@nwp That's among my future plans, but I only start using features once they're available in both Clang and GCC.
@nwp Cider you mean
@nwp That's probably the best thing to do here xD
@AdebayoAdelabu Nah, there's almost no draft cider, while we have good beer.
No draft cider?! are you kidding me
10:28
There's some Strongbow here and there, but that's pretty much it.
I had draft cider at Tara Inn 2 weeks ago
Two weeks ago? Haha, I was probably around there too.
Last time I went there I tried one of their bottled beers.
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11:03
@Morwenn If you are extremely bored you could tell me why this doesn't compile. Reference is this, None of the code compiles as written, but it supposedly should, and I don't know if gcc 7.2 just doesn't support it yet or I'm doing it wrong.
@nwp I don't know much about the quirks of template<auto> and deduction guides :/
Plus yoou're trying to do something hairy, and it's not guaranteed that compiler writers thought of such use cases when testing the feature.
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Oh well. It served as a weekly reminder that I don't actually know C++.
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Everyone in the comments seemed to fully understand it -_-
11:27
Fuck, I need to somehow stop distracting myself with the Internet
@Morwenn I recognized that melody immediately. But then I thought I was wrong. And then I was like, ah I was right.
@Columbo The only thing you can do is not having the internet :p
@StackedCrooked Yup, Beat Torrent is a remix band :)
@Morwenn Discipline should be sufficient, but that's far easier said than done
I have to pull myself together, next academic year will be no piece of cake
@nwp On the other hand, it's normal that just free doesn't not work because you generally can't pass function templates around like this.
@Columbo I had the same problem back when I didn't have Internet yet.
11:37
@StackedCrooked I also suspect that the issue is more inherent. Perhaps I need to smoke some weed?
@nwp If you pass std::free instead of free, it works smoothly.
@Columbo Not the best thing to do when you're trying to code.
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@Morwenn Yeah, free<char> also works. I believe I had this capturing of a template working at some point.
@Morwenn I take it you're talking from experience?
@Columbo Of course.
A bit of alcohol is fine, but I just can't code anything with weed xD
Some people have told me the opposite, though.
I guess it depends on what you're most used to.
Cheech and Chong it, dude!! How's my driving man... I think you're parked. Too funny, coding and weed sounds cool!!
I'd like to see some of that stoner code. LOL
Replace livecoding by highcoding.
Seriously though, I know some slick genius type people that code that are brilliant and smoke out 420. I'd prefer a stoned coder over a drunk coder any day personally. Maybe a little alcohol buzz buzz is fine though but never a super drunk coder. Highcoding!!
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@Columbo I don't know what this is talking about then.
Thanks for finding a reference.
Maybe they meant std::free.
@nwp The code looks odd to begin with. The deduction guide enables you to deduce from a func_deleter constructor argument, but no corresponding constructor has been set up
11:51
egh posting screenshots from OSX is so annoying
I'm running pngcrush on it now to bring it under 25MB
12:27
An arachnophobe is afraid of web developers
@BartekBanachewicz 8K screens FTW?
Why is McDonalds here. And why is it shitposting
also if you don't have it yet Steam Link is 16 euro till monday
That actually made me laugh
12:28
which is a pretty damn good price
@Columbo Yeah that was a good one
@BartekBanachewicz What is it
@sehe it's a sorta media pc that natively supports steam game streaming
@BartekBanachewicz Is a controller included? What would you use if not?
(I've found the page obv)
@sehe no, but the dedicated controller is on sale today as well. You can use mouse and keyboard or generic PC gamepads
IIRC bluetooth PS3 and PS4 and Xbox gamepads also work
> generic PC gamepads
I'm out of touch
12:31
@sehe literally anything that registers as a PC joystick
@BartekBanachewicz So the Link device does have the controller support bits. That's the important part.
I might do this because there's always "fighting" about available computers in the house, especially with playmates over
@sehe I've heard good things about controller support from a friend who owns one
I've ordered 2 actually, one as a bundle with the controller for myself and another one to gift or sell away
the shipping is a tad pricey but for you it's pretty much free so
Guess what the only controllers we own are
@sehe it's always the one you own :D
last LAN party
it's like half of what we had
Trying to make a small library work with MSVC 2017.
12:36
@Morwenn was it written for clang? if so just use clang-cl
@Mgetz It was written for MinGW then Clang.
I don't give a flying fuck about clang-cl, I want it to work with cl.exe.
the native wireless PS3 and PS4 controller support is pretty great though
@Morwenn are they actually using extensions or just being dicks about using features that won't exist until 15.5?
It's just that MSVC constexpr and templates support mostly suck.
@Morwenn which compiler version are you using? 14.1 or 14.2?
12:39
Latest build tools.
are they known gaps or bugs?
Actual situation: I wrote a C++14 library back then and I'm just trying to get it to work with the latest MSVC build just in case people might want to try it without having to resort to some other compiler.
@Morwenn are you compiling with /std-latest?
Same errors with /std:c++14 and /std:c++latest
It can't handle a mere variable declaration in a constexpr function.
@Morwenn constexpr variable templates are a known bug IIRC
12:42
Plus it really doesn't like expressions in non-type template parameters.
@Morwenn In VS if you can create a minimal testcase there is the submit feedback option
use it
I don't use VS.
And they've probably already got shittons of bug reports about constexpr anyway.
@Morwenn you might not, but according to STL it's one of the best way to submit bugs
I don't even want to submit bug reports, I'm just complaining, ok? ._____.
5 minutes in and I'm already lovin' it
12:47
Google quotes Donald Trump:
> All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me - consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected.
What a fcking player.
What is The Apprentice?
13:03
yet another victim of the indian education system :/
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Q: What are the differences between Turbo C++ 7 and Dev C++ in terms of syntax?

StalemateIn school I was taught C++ using Turbo C++ 7 . When I entered college , I found out that it was out dated . I would like to know the changes which have been implemented in C++ 14 in GCC or Dev C++ compiler. Example : conio.h does not exist in C++98, C++14 etc. instead we have using namespace std...

@milleniumbug TIL India has an education system
> instead we have using namespace std
wow
13:45
@fredoverflow wtf haha
@BartekBanachewicz c++98
14:05
Well, with a few fixes, my static_math library now mostly works with the latest VS2017.
14:30
@Morwenn Are there tests
@sehe Just a few ones. There could be more.
I'll await the results of the tests under optimizations :) (devilish grin)
@sehe How do I use COM with mingw's g++?
There's a linker error whenever I try to use any declaration regarding the com
Like anywhere else. Use MIDL.EXE to compile the TLB to .h/.c
Did Satan invent this shit? Jesus
14:41
It is possible that it's not possible, but I don't anticipate that, really. MIDL generates C code and as such isn't very susceptible to ABI aissues
And where can I get the IDL files? :P
Do I have them when I install mingw?
Or the TLB files or whatever I need
14:54
@EnnMichael TLB != IDL. You can extract IDL from TLB (using OleView.exe IIRC)
@EnnMichael If you have access to MSVC you can always find those tools. They're bound to be in some kind of SDK
Mind you it has been 10-15 years since I used these. Then again, not much has changed since the advent of .NET
Lol. Guess who just upboated stackoverflow.com/questions/6705396/…
I should heff said "Guefff who"
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15:10
@sehe I know literally nothing about this, the worst thing is when I use COM in MSVC it just works
But I need to use it in g++
Would it not be enough to just add the required include/linker flags to g++?
I only wonder where I can find which ones I need
15:25
@EnnMichael well, it most definitely requires work (if only #import)
@EnnMichael So it wasn't you that upboated?
@Puppy Can you please move questions to the questions room? It's ok if you don't like that room, but you're sabotaging something that is working to your advantage.
is the questions room actually different to the Bin in practice?
my memory is that loads of people ask questions there but nobody ever replies
@Puppy I just told you. Don't act ignorant
@Puppy Don't trust your memory then. Even if there's no difference, isn't that a good reason to keep using the questions room?
@Puppy And if it wasn't, would that warrant you moving actual trash into the question room
It's different in intent and practice. The only thing that isn't different is Puppy's one-sided opinion
prejudge much?
15:30
Well. Mirror?
@Puppy I asked you the other day. You did it again. So, I think it's fair that I draw conclusions.
More people are owners in the questions room, so it can be moderated.
Bin contains actual trash so it's "unsafe to browse". Just a few common sense things that make a difference.
@sehe I'm just saying, them not being different in practice does not mean it wouldn't make sense to differentiate in corresponding cases, because moving questions to the trash bin makes a bit of a different impression on the asker, I believe
And we seemingly don't want to piss of newcomers... ? :p
@Columbo My point exactly. I specifically said it's "different in intent and practice"
@Columbo I don't think that's the worst effect here
@sehe It was me, but it didn't help me lol :D
@sehe What is, their questions not being answered? As he said, would that have happened, anyway?
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@Columbo Well, I think not being an asshole is a good general goal in life regardless.
15:35
@Lalaland If you aim to be poor and sexless?
@Columbo The fact that the question room isn't advertised when appropriate is
@sehe Then why don't we advertise it along with the rules?
Don't we? I have never read the rules (in full). I have no clue who maintains them :)
We should, totally. I think it's in there, actually. Judging from remarks made by other loungers
No, I meant alongside the link to them
Because, let's be honest, nobody gives a shit about the rules, apparently neither of us has read them
Oh. In the pinned message
15:41
Right.
Next time!
Amen.
The rules are sacred just like the Bible is sacred, 90% of followers have yet to read it fully.
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@Columbo We did that for a while. It didn't seem to have an effect on the number of questions asked in the lounge.
@RickAstley 90? lol
15:46
98?
IEEE single precision would round to 100
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To be fair, both the rules and the bible are really, really boring.
I may have read the rules, but certainly not the bible.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes it seems SSL and Http auth are misconfigured for flamingdangerzone.com/cxx11/2012/08/15/rule-of-zero.html (the entire domain or rmf.io too?)
@Lalaland the rubles are boing
@ЯрикТроф Not with that particular syntax, I dont do C but when I put it in the online compiler it wouldnt accept it, but it did accept: double first = 2, second = first;Borgleader 2 mins ago
@Borgleader, so is there no such a way to initialize a variable in C? — Ярик Троф 19 secs ago
I'm going to assume language barrier?
or maybe I expressed myself poorly?
18:40
don't use shitty C arrays
@fredoverflow That's not news to anyone here ;)
@Puppy I have to delete that question getting too many downvotes.
why everyone is angry IDK
Who said anyone was angry?
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19:01
11 messages moved to bin
Thank you.
My bulk bin button doesn't work for users not currently in the room. Was he kicked?
@sehe maybe
yes
I had this issue previously#
you need to bin, then kick
19:14
What does "bulk bin" mean, exactly?
19:38
@sehe Do you have a 1024x768 screen? :)
@fredoverflow I'm very good at concocting effective screen shots paste.ubuntu.com/25453175
@fredoverflow Seemed more effective than i.imgur.com/nn7mEZX.png
(longcat meme from years ago)
20:14
When the internet was still young and happy :')
20:54
I mean, it's weird that you'll get fired for saying cops kill black people, but you won't get fired for actually ki… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/903753054620712964
Oh my
21:08
how to eat healthy when travel
Although, for the past few days, I stick to mostly to fresh vegetables/fruit and a roasted chicken
I am surrounded by fast food restaurants
@OneRaynyDay trololol
21:49
This is very good material also, if I could accept both answers I would. I upvoted yours. You are correct in assuming NP is number of points and NE is number of triangle elements. This data represents a Delaunay triangulated mesh. — Reniel Calzada 10 mins ago
Oh them fuzzies. Worth much more than accepts
22:36
Although openCV apparently is bad in order to learn how to write proper c++ (I don't know why). I do learn a lot by using it.
@privetDruzia I found that using the python wrapper for OpenCV is much easier, and doesn't cause large performance degradation as long as you're clever
@sehe And will do :)
@OneRaynyDay sorry, I m not that clever.
Neither do I have many years of practical experience in the industry to compensate that
Due to Dunning-Kruger that makes you top-10%
@sehe The more you learn or study, the more you realize you actually don't know anything
story of my life at uni
That means your uni is above-par as well
22:43
40th-70th best in the world according to some websites
but that doesn t mean anything imo
According to some arbitrary ranking. So, no that means nothing. But your personal experience tells me something :)
It's possible that I wrongly attribute your character trait to the uni, but at least we know that uni didn't negate it :)
Fuzzy logic + Bayes
what s funny imo is that many universities are as far as I ve heard are ranked, based on the number of publications in English and their citations. Which means that most of universities in eg Russia will never reach the top.
I'm not into ranking unis
Adds to the prestige
Rankings are moot until you get to top 5
22:47
I'm aware, though, that too many unis kill curiosity and talent
@OneRaynyDay That's a good joke
@sehe thanks came up with it myself :)
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22:51
This way we can have some true lounge activity :)
@privetDruzia We don't want to prove the Prophet right:
2 days ago, by nwp
Maybe the lounge will die and be outlived by the Q&A room. That would be quite ironic.
Anyhoops, I'm going to go sleep. Night all
in C++ Questions and Answers, 1 hour ago, by sehe
@OneRaynyDay make it quick. I'm ready for bed :)
night sehe! was afk, had to wipe keyboard after icecream fell in
boost is a library that provides stuff for multithreading, to which I am fairly new (maybe I should have asked this in the other room?)

This article (https://mayaposch.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/how-to-really-truly-use-qthreads-the-full-explanation/) states:
By the way, one extremely important thing to note here is that you should NEVER allocate heap objects (using new) in the constructor of the QObject class as this allocation is then performed on the main thread and not on the new QThread instance, meaning that the newly created object is then owned by the main thread and not the QThread i
Why does this seem to be a big deal?
I use new to create new threads in my constructors usually, just because that way everything is grouped. And I start them in other functions.
@OneRaynyDay lol
it's not even remotely accurate
@sehe Lounge will never die, it will live in spirit forever!
23:04
unless you are talking about Qt objects
in which case they may have implemented something so fucked up
we need a bot
actually maybe two or more
but it's not true about objects in general, that's for sure
also new is for terrible people.
Qt is what I learned at uni, so that s what I currently use
@privetDruzia That just means the Worker/Thread relation has a dumb interface (moveToThread should not exist). Next.
we can each write one and they can chat to each other in our absence
23:06
@Puppy ^
well I'd be careful about comparing Qt and doing things remotely well, which tend to differ very substantially.
I haven't heard much positive about Qt outside of uni...
@privetDruzia It's not all bad, but it'd serve you well to look at task-based schedulers (e.g. executors proposal like github.com/chriskohlhoff/executors)
Look at frameworks that don't come with Java-ambition-induced ballast, and then know what parts you need to avoid when using Qt.
The truth is, most of the time you can completely do without these abstractions in Qt
if you're going to use Qt, use it for the UI parts only, and keep the rest of the app completely Qt-free.
The same goes for things like signals/slots, ownership semantics etc. As far as immediate GUI elements are concerned, you will want to adhere to it (because QtCreator has nice tools for it (?)) but other than that, stick to portable C++ un-Qt-encumbered
@Puppy +1
23:09
@Puppy that seems to be a very limited usage
It's the one thing that Qt does very well.
yep
personally I think the UI side is still shit and they should lern2React, but to be fair, React is very new and Qt is very old, and there's really not much in the way of competition
I say very well because they cracked some hard nuts (like print device support and true portable implementation)
A modern UI library could have a much more flexible API indeed.
I need to design an API for my library that permits concurrent UI updates
the problem with my current immutability-based design is that you're back to that whole UI thread crap
... unless I implemented some algorithm for merging multiple descendent trees
no, that would suck because merge confilcts
@sehe sehe... sleep soon?
LOL
23:18
you woke me
j/k
Mar 6 '12 at 22:38, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@CatPlusPlus It's the lounge. People announce going to bed hours before they do.
I don't know how you guys can just quotes like that. Is this by memory or?
Memory+search
Ah :) I'll ping you again in 3 hours, hope you have the stack overflow app unmuted
23:34
there is something called 'blacklist', if you ping someone too much, that person might blacklist you
(I was just kidding)
@Telkitty shhh
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
I wouldn't - have a few things to do on my PC

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