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12:52 AM
what if ... we capture volcanic power and turn it into electricity? :p
 
I don't know much about energy, but I could use your messages as a seed for a PRNG.
 
glad to be helpful ...
 
1:35 AM
*new informally known as the memory leak operator ;) — Borgleader 6 secs ago
 
@Borgleader auto &a = *new foo; delete &a; (but yeah, definitely leaked as used there, and a pain even if you manage to write some code that uses it without leaking).
 
oh wtf
 
Undergrad though, but still born and raised in Illinois
 
But I don't deny that conservatives wouldn't be a good fit at Google.
 
I don't deny that special classes for self-identified minorities are perhaps not a good idea :-/
 
must say I am not in the minority, I belong to the top 99.99999% dumbest people on the face of earth
 
2:21 AM
Andromeda galaxy. At a distance of about 2.5 million light years, the Andromeda galaxy (also known as NGC 224 and M31) is the nearest galaxy to the Earth apart from smaller companion galaxies such as the Magellanic Clouds. Like the Milky Way, Andromeda is a spiral galaxy.
The closest galaxy is only 2.5 million light years aways ...
 
2:38 AM
@Mysticial do you have any idea why MSVC is inserting the two vmovaps instructions in this function godbolt.org/g/zeFr4M -- they don't seem to serve any purpose to me.. just moving data from xmm6 into memory and then later back into xmm6, but it never uses xmm6 in between
 
@Froglegs Callee-save register.
 
hum, but why, it doesn't even use xmm6 anywhere?
 
ymm6
 
oh right, they are the same thing but difference sizes
 
xmm6-15 are callee save in Windows. So if you can't do all your work in xmm0-5, you'll see that.
None of the ymm, or zmm registers are callee save (except for the xmm6-15 portion).
If you recompile for AVX512, you're free to use 16-31 as well without needing to save/restore anything.
 
3:20 AM
@LucDanton ... power failure in a datacenter?
how does that ever happen
 
global warming-induced ultra mega storm
is my guess
 
> Today the AIXIT Datacenter experienced a total power outage between 19:29:02 and 19:43:20 MEST.
either it's a catastrophic even either it's serious incompetence
Of course in true Europeon fashion the Aixit website is only in German
 
other NCSoft titles were affected but have been back to operational status for a while now
@BaguetteGarlique wer würde eine andere Sprache brauchen?
 
3:36 AM
 
@LucDanton kartöffelsalat
Speaking of which, what's your feeling on std::directory_iterator being both a range and an iterator (over itself)?
 
@BaguetteGarlique conceptually ranges often are self-iterable
 
3:51 AM
well, I suppose one could question why iterator and range terminology are being mixed up but that’s the Ranges TS and 'sentinels' leaking out I suppose
or a consequence of the begin/end split? who knows
 
@Mysticial In this case it doesn't even seem to be particularly conservative--merely willing to question some points that (he claims) are being taken for granted with what appears to be a nearly complete lack of supporting evidence. Most of the people saying he's wrong seem to be using phrases like "obvious" and "self evident", rather than citing any actual evidence (not to say none could exist, but damned little seems to be getting cited).
 
I would think that the majority of moderate conservatives simply don't speak out when they're surrounded by a bunch of liberals. So if this guy actually spoke out in such a manner, he had to have been pretty far right.
Prior to this latest election, almost the opposite would've been true where I worked. Most of the old people are probably conservatives (economically), but none of the younger guys speak out. But this election seems to have flipped everyone to the left.
 
so Yellowstone National Park -> Mt Banff -> Vancouver -> Seattle
is there any reasons why this is not a feasible route within 5 days (end points not included in those days)
also I am doing a 54km Urban walk this Saturday, it's going to be interesting ...
 
@BaguetteGarlique woops looks like it’s been back up for close to an hour now
 
4:08 AM
@Mysticial I'm not sure that follows. At least when I've been in vaguely similar situations, I was the least likely to speak up when/if I saw those around me as completely hostile to my beliefs. It was much easier to speak up when, even though I disagreed, our beliefs were similar enough that I might be able to sway at least a few of them to at least some degree.
 
typical communist infiltration
 
communism is a prove how belief system is overrated and humans are retarded
 
@JerryCoffin I've learned to just shut up when I'm surrounded by social conservatives. For the most part, they get offended really easily when they get put them into uncomfortable positions involving their beliefs. So it's better to just not start anything.
 
@LucDanton I've recently discovered sentinels and they're great, but it's a shame they're not really supported by standard algorithms.
 
@BaguetteGarlique they’re 100% not great at all
 
4:16 AM
Chinese believed communism 50 years ago, 15+ million starved to death. German believed Hitler, 6+ million dead.
Think twice about your belief
or just think more
 
@LucDanton I think "100%" is overstating it a bit. There are cases where sentinels (real sentinels, not necessarily anything like the Ranges TS uses) are actually pretty handy, especially as an optimization tool.
 
@JerryCoffin specifically in the context of C++ iterators
 
@Telkitty I'm not at all sure how many Chinese people truly believed in communism. Surely not all, and probably not even a majority. Most simply weren't in a position to fight back when a tyrant abused them.
 
Communism won the war back in the 1940's
 
@LucDanton Even with C++ iterators, you can (in the right situation) create a sentinel and have it work reasonably well. Just for example, consider a sorted linear collection of numbers with a known maximum range, and you're going to insert a new item maintaining order. The normal insertion would be something like: "while (new_item > current_item && not end of collection) current = next(current)".
 
4:24 AM
we are all tools of nature
 
By adding a sentinel--in this case, an item at the end of the collection with a value larger than any allowed in the collection, we can reduce the condition to while new_item > current_item. We don't have to check for the end of the collection any more, so our inner loop roughly doubles in speed (as long as we don't run into memory bandwidth limitations and such).
 
one pigeon discovered chicken feed could be stolen from the backyard, the two pigeon knew it ... now 10 pigeons in the backyard
 
@JerryCoffin alright ya big goof "Mr. Niebler’s idea to de-couple the types of iterators making an iterator pair (aka range) is a short-sighted hack which purported gains are not above reproach; and which comes with some knock-on consequences" is the full complaint
 
@LucDanton Sorry--I know sometimes I get stupid about things, since yes, I did know where you really meant.
 
@BaguetteGarlique bizarrely anet nerfed warriors again, although only really the elite spec. core warrior is surprisingly refreshing to play again
 
4:36 AM
"surprisingly refreshing" lol
 
it’s fun as in 'I can kick my enemy in the shins three times in a row'
 
@LucDanton why not? I think they simplify some stuff. I am talking of sentinels where end iterator has a different type, just to clarify.
 
My app is like a F1 car with minimum safety features, crashing at your own risk.
 
@LucDanton "also they can't retaliate"
 
@BaguetteGarlique can you list any benefit they provide?
 
4:39 AM
Easier to implement termination condition in some cases
 
@Telkitty Actually Formula 1 cars have a lot of safety features. It sounds like you should be comparing your app to a Ford Model T.
 
e.g when the termination condition depends on the iterated value
 
@BaguetteGarlique I think you’ve got that example wrong, but that doesn’t matter
 
@LucDanton e.g an iterator over a null-terminated string
I'm pretty sure that's not a wrong example
 
4:42 AM
@Telkitty Looks like that one is an...unsafety feature.
 
@BaguetteGarlique many old builds have really fallen out of favour when they couldn’t keep up with the amount of bullshit cc, damage, condis, boons, etc. (i.e. everything) that the new builds produce and core warrior is one of them
@BaguetteGarlique the example is wrong because by the time the termination check happens the iterator has been incremented so the iterated value is possibly gone, or you’ve taken steps to preserve it in which case the sentinel type saves you 1 bit of information at most
but like I said, it doesn’t matter. there are other cases where you do get to save that one bit
 
4:59 AM
I don't get it but ok
 
consuming iterators looks like for(; it != end; ++it) use(*it);, so it != end runs after ++it. at which point the iterated value, as you put it, is possibly gone
 
what is that '\0' doing in str?
 
5:25 AM
@BaguetteGarlique what about it?
 
> the example is wrong because by the time the termination check happens the iterator has been incremented so the iterated value is possibly gone
How is it wrong?
 
well, the claim is that this is easier than not having a separate sentinel type. how much easier was it?
 
In this artificial example, not much. What I fail to understand is the "by the time the termination check happens the iterator has been incremented so the iterated value is possibly gone".
 
when you said 'iterated value' I thought you meant exactly that
i.e. one of the values being iterated over
 
So your comment does not apply to my example above, correct?
 
5:36 AM
I just watched a 20 min. video of a praying mantis catching and eating a black widow. Sorry @Xeo I could've done an extra episode.
 
@BaguetteGarlique yes, the null check happens at the right place
 
5:50 AM
> Where can I find an anti-bono criminal lawyer?
 
6:10 AM
This datacenter outage made me appreciate how reliable gw2 servers have been in the past btw
I can hardly remember any period of downtime
 
I demand my daily 2g and 10AP
 
Beautiful piece of software really
 
Xeo
6:56 AM
@Mysticial You can find animals feeding on prey in Made in Abyss too :>
 
 
1 hour later…
why every time I see full stack, I think of full rack steak/ribs?
 
8:22 AM
full heap engineer
 
@BartekBanachewicz No
 
8:35 AM
@Horttanainen why
 
I have a dislike of people acting too enthusiastic on their company websites
 
what a strange way of spelling "americans"
 
@Horttanainen do you instead want a shot of everyone zombified on their open office plan desks?
 
@ratchetfreak No.
 
Indeed, the unhandled unwind exception occurs before reaching std::cout << "Done\n"; in this sample: paste.ubuntu.com/25275525. That's good news because it should make it tractible for the maintainer (Kowalke?) to trace to an issue. Could still be a compiler issue (e.g. if the compiler eliminates a non-trivial destructor somewhere). Good luck! — sehe 23 secs ago
Interesting. Anyone taking a bet? Will it be a MSVC or a Boost Context bug :)
 
@BaguetteGarlique He's a cutie
 
that's what a polar bear would say >_<
 
Only one that is xenophile
@BartekBanachewicz It's a mix. The job description has good signs (to me) but also a good deal of "we don't know what we will be doing, but you must be ok with that". From "we might be doing lots of things" it's only a very small step to "we have no clue what we're doing". If venture capital is involved, I'd (a) consider it only if the pay compensates for the termination risk (b) you don't have to shape your life around it
After reading the intro too (haha, I didn't even know /what/ they produce when I wrote the previous message) I'm getting a little more nervous. (How can they be such a small team, yet be searching for a team leader? What is their current lead going to do? Are the rest of the team only have code monkeys, or did they all refuse to succeed him? How can you "lead this very dynamic team" as a remote worker?)
Other than that, it's the kind of startup that seems to have potential to me. Not the most sexy service, but one that permeates the industry and is destined to grow as internet sales grow
@JerryCoffin Ohoh. That's maaaaansplaining. (And completely correct of course)
@Telkitty Armies did
@Telkitty I think the first fragment alone would make at least about 10 million people roll over in their grave
 
9:00 AM
15
A: Is it possible to use std::string in a constexpr?

Joseph ThomsonIn C++17, you can use string_view: using namespace std::string_view_literals; constexpr std::string_view sv = "hello, world"sv;

ooooh
also @sehe spotify:track:2sXtpY9mCTXnUTUSQqrXbX
 
friggin awesome ey?
 
friggin awesome would be if my top box mount shipped today
 
@BaguetteGarlique kartoffelsalat
 
I need to try if it fits
@sehe well remote work is generally less all-in
 
Box mount?
 
9:04 AM
on a motorbike
it's like a flat piece of plastic that the box can clamp onto
 
ah yeah that.
 
the previous one broke to pieces on a pothole
 
Pro tip: If you ever kill someone you can put their severed head in that box
 
thanks I'll have that in mind
 
Did you fell down?
 
9:06 AM
@BaguetteGarlique Oh, look at at that /cc @JerryCoffin reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/6s5j0h/c17_in_details_filesystem/…
> The "slowness" of such large directories is a myth caused by resuming directory iterators
 
@Horttanainen nah
 
@BartekBanachewicz good
 
my bike should take such things without too many problems
I think it was a fatigue crack
 
Ok
How did you not notice the pothole?
 
there were 3 in a row
i got around the first two and got into the 3rd one
also it wasn't like an actual pothole, it was a sewer thing that forms that kinda hole
manhole!
 
9:11 AM
Sounds like you were doing some serious slalom there
 
You hit a manhole and busted your box?
 
yep
well it survived
 
the severed head?
 
there's a crack I need to weld in the top part and it's a bit battered but otherwise should work fine
not sure about the clamp itself though and that's why I need the mount to check that
if it won't hold I'll just bolt the thing on through the bottom
that would be suboptimal though because then it's kinda a PITA to take off
> (...) the derailment had been the result of a broken locomotive axle. Rankine's investigation of broken axles in Britain highlighted the importance of stress concentration, and the mechanism of crack growth with repeated loading. His and other papers suggesting a crack growth mechanism through repeated stressing, however, were ignored, and fatigue failures occurred at an ever-increasing rate on the expanding railway system.
not listening to scientists seems to be a long-standing tradition
 
9:53 AM
uuuuugh
I almost installed Fusion 360
but when they asked me for my real name something snapped
 
@TonyTheLion Too late apparently, I was already sleeping x)
 
10:23 AM
^ The paper I mentioned a few weeks ago
 
> The Concepts TS does not simplify Generic Programming. The experience with GCC and the reference implementation of the Ranges TS raises serious concerns about whether they can improve the experience of using template libraries. The Ranges TS itself illustrates how the language complexity leaks through concepts and into the user experience, and demonstrates that real-world concepts are not simple or easy to write or use.
amazing
 
@BartekBanachewicz ?
 
@Shoe they managed to fuck up even that
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz They managed to stop and rethink the design before fucking up. Big difference.
 
they'll fuck up again anyway
just looking at this paper makes me imagine all the ways this can go wrong
 
nwp
10:28 AM
They'll get it right eventually.
 
when? in 2030? 2050?
 
nwp
Once they found someone with enough smarts and knowledge to make a proposal that proves itself.
Maybe it cannot be done and it will never work, but I take that over people just making something and that's what you're stuck with.
 
yeah, fuck C++
 
@Morwenn hope you had a good sleep
 
hmfphfas
I think I'll have to bite the bullet and eventually learn solidworks
but solid is just so unintuitive at times and I can't type in it :<
maybe I should write addons to OSCAD
 
10:48 AM
4
A: Ambiguous call of overloaded constructor due to super class (pass by value)

wilxOverload resolution is done before access checking, that is why even the protected base class' members are considered. Overload resolution is described in chapter 13.3 of the standard. My interpretation is that binding const AutoVector ov to Vector ( const Vector& original ); is user defined con...

My answer from 2011 has just been accepted. Don't I get a badge for such late accepted answer or something?
 
10:59 AM
@wilx In Finland we have a saying "You get ten points and a parrot badge" that is used when someone does something right, but there is no reward to give.
Enjoy your parrot badge
 
@Horttanainen :D Nice.
 
11:22 AM
@TonyTheLion It was pretty ok.
 
nwp
11:32 AM
apparently we can have longer tags now
C++ is future proof until
 
12:20 PM
@VermillionAzure lol, what kind of answer are you expecting
 
12:50 PM
adblock stopped working so I searched for a cure on Tor and downloaded the suggested remedy - ublock origin. so far so good ...
 
On tor?
Why not use the regular internet?
 
I think I trust tor a bit more when it comes to ads blocking :p
 
Why?
 
1:06 PM
doesn't matter does it, I found a working one ...
straight away as well >_<
 
hi all is this the room for the c++
 
yes please ask your question
which TURBO C + + do you have
 
i want to know is it faster to put function in extern "C" namespace
because C is faster then c++
6
 
extern namespace only works if you're outdoors
 
1:14 PM
how can C be faster C++ when you have that ++ increment behind
if C is 55km/h, C++ must be 56km/h
 
nwp
Because C doesn't increment, so it does less work. Your real world analogies don't work in cyber space!
 
Only thing faster than C++ is ++C
 
use java, java is the quickest
 
nwp
Actually that would be java script. It runs in a browser which is always close to the metal.
 
 
1:20 PM
 
1:30 PM
@AdebayoAdelabu nice try
 
1:48 PM
@Horttanainen I wasn't home yesterday, but will be today for like a ten minutes, hope I won't forget :X
 
when someone says "[T]he something" in quote does it mean that it originally was lowercase as a part of sentence but they want to present it as uppercase?
 
@login_not_failed ok
 
2:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, at least usually.
 
nwp
"Unclothe something"
 
2:27 PM
apparently it's super hard to define functions that go over the list of points
and functions can be functions in the FP sense which means no statements
and it's not actually an FP language so I can't write a generic fold
but there's recursion so
function empty(x) = !(len(x)>0);
function head(x) = x[0];
function tail(x) = x[1];
function cat(a,b) = empty(b) ? a : cat(append(a,list([head(b)])), tail(b));
oh god
 
nwp
Why are you trying to implement generic functions in a language meant to handle 3D models?
 
@nwp because I want to write an automatic truss fill function
 
2:44 PM
@sehe Yup--one of the nice things about OS/2 was that it actually let you read large chunks of directory at once easily. Made life ever so much simpler, and made directory searches much faster as a rule.
@sehe That depends. If you're ugly, it's mansplaining, and you're a horrible person. If you're good enough looking it's "oh, thank you for being so kind and helpful."
 
ok so my bounds finding functions almost works
yay
I mean this is a PoC but technically it should be possible to make this respect edges and stuff
it's suckage that you can't pass functions to functions though
 
@BartekBanachewicz Of course you can pass a function to a function (in Pascal).
 
but not in OSCAD
this is severely limiting
 
3:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Good thing it's open source so you can fix that...
 
3:45 PM
@AdebayoAdelabu necromancer angst is eternal, patch after patch
> To The Devs: Can We Please Have a Conversation About Necromancer?
 
You all have set my expectations for SO rooms too high. Node.js room is so dead and useless in comparison
6
 
@caps In keeping with the fact that node.js itself is dead and useless in comparison! :-)
 
@JerryCoffin noone uses C++, javascript is the new assembly!
 
nwp
@roscoe_casita That is a contradiction.
Long live emscripten. Or something like it.
 
@caps I shall redouble my efforts to bring the level down
 
4:20 PM
@nwp whats the v8 engine written in? oh yeah... C++... ^^ I had someone tell me that once.
 
4:36 PM
Yay, my branchless swap_if for floating point numbers makes my sorting networks up to twice as fast for double /o/
 
@Morwenn thats a heafty improvement
 
Meh, I don't even know whether sorting a raw collection of floating point numbers is useful :/
 
@Morwenn ah, fair enough. What advice should I give students this coming semester?
 
@roscoe_casita How would I know?
 
@Morwenn In undergrad, the ratio was close to 1:100, starting out in 210 its about 33:100, by by the time they get to operating systems, its back down to 5:100
@Morwenn there is a systemic problem in computer science/engineering of pushing women out
 
4:42 PM
I have seen my share of regular sexism, but I don't seen I've ever seen anyone actively or pruposefuly pushing women out.
 
user2015064
Hello there,
Thora : "I shall want to show you a large amount of "negative disrespect" of the worst quality".

I know it is off-topic, but don't flag me. I am writing a story, does this sentence sound good?
 
@Morwenn aye, I want to understand why it happens. I don't think they dropped out because of active or purposeful intent
@xersi Let me count the ways....
 
nwp
@xersi Have you considered dropping story writing and pursuing a career in botany?
 
@roscoe_casita Culture, education, feeling, social context... probably something along these lines.
 
@Morwenn I know there is a systemic problem, but those are the hardest to identify. Ones that you are swimming in persay
 
user2015064
4:48 PM
I am actually interested in story writing for the time being. I do not know botany, I want to know if this particular quote sounds "epic" enough so I can keep writing my story.
 
@xersi IIRC there's a StackExchange site dedicated to writing stories.
Oops, I need to go see my sister. We've got a trip to Japan to plan.
Bye.
 
user2015064
Thank you for the piece of advice of yours.
 
user2015064
It is just about a sentence, I don't want to make a commotion. If you can even make it more epic, I appreciate it a lot, I feel more comfortable in a "chat" room.
 
5:08 PM
Hello everyone

I have a question, but it is not so much of a technical question on itself. Rather a question about what would be the best way to port this entire project to proper c++.

The situation is the following: I wrote Python code which uses 4 libraries (some are written in python, other are written in C++) and calls external lua scripts every now and then.
It doesn't have a GUI. Having a GUI is essential, as the code actually uses a video stream as input and outputs a modified videostream.
 
@trilolil Can you design the components to wrap each piece up? this sounds like "How do I design my architecture"
 
@roscoe_casita I am affraid I don t understand your question, it sounds quite vague
Are you suggesting to split the python code in functional blocks rather than 1 big script?
 
@trilolil Aye, I believe the same applies to yours: "What would be the best way to port this entire project to Qt"
@trilolil always, that is the modular design. can you wrap the pieces up in such a way, that even though they are in python, you could call them from C++? ~ I have no idea about your architecture or design.
 
@roscoe_casita indeed that is what I was thinking about as well. But..
 
@trilolil such critical information is: does the video stream come in through C++? does it have to pass through the python libraries? can you avoid them / rewrite them?
@trilolil if you can make components that are independent and 'reusable' then you can swap out a component later if it is not performing well
I'm guessing that there is a python library you need to feed this video stream to?
 
5:17 PM
I would then have to be able to pass all the data to the python without too much of a delay and get the python output back to the cpp software, without too much delay as well.
@roscoe_casita indeed
 
@trilolil mmmm, what does the python library do to the stream? does it run in O(1) ? if you have a delay incured in the library, like if its learning from frames...
 
I would happily rewrite in cpp, but that means I need to rewrite an entire framework in cpp and be able to compile all those 4 libraries
 
@trilolil sounds like you know what needs to be done; an I'm guessing its a pain and full of hard work.
 
@roscoe_casita can't tell whether it is O(1), I am not familirar with big O notation. It is AI and computervision
 
@trilolil then it is not O(1), if all you did was draw a happy face on every frame, that should be constant time enough. if you are 'learning' aka processing the frames, then it takes longer.
 
5:20 PM
hahah, no not really...
 
@trilolil so you have a different problem long term that you need to know about
 
user2015064
Do you think that there is not a flaw in my sentence? I kindly want to ask this, or I can use my sentence if there is no objection. Thank you.
 
@trilolil the library and I/O to the library will be your bottleneck; I believe you've already identified this
 
-2
Q: How to embed a code editor in c++(opengl)?

Abdelrahman AmhawyI keep searching but i can't seem to find any tutorials about it. Is there a way to embed a code editor like Ace or codemirror in opengl?

uh... /cc @Mysticial
 
@roscoe_casita I can try to find a smart workaround for this...
 
5:22 PM
if you stream video frames fast enough , aka realtime, you will probably overload the bandwidth of the learning capabilies, if that makes sense. ~ think of it as a pipeline and you cram enough frame in there, and if the libary is slow enough, then you will NOT achieve realtime, regardless of how you optimize the system
 
user2015064
Please do not make me wait, I need your response fast because you all know English. I want to resume my work.
 
@xersi yo hablo espanol
@roscoe_casita hmm I see, I think I can find a workaround by "accepting" the videostream via cpp and only pass certain frames to the python scripts
using multithreading
 
@xersi lack of planning on your part does not constitute a crisis on my part. You were given advice about the chat room & site to pursue. This room is full of technical engineers, not english majors. I can't spell, or write well.
@trilolil there you go, if you drop frames you can keep realtime, but if the libary is sucking down CPU, you have to make the hard choice: Learn another frame and don't update and buffer the video, or drop frames (just display them)
 
I guess I have no other choice than becoming a multithreading expert...
 
@Borgleader What rocket fuel should I use to get to the moon? I have a phone book, a Core i7 processor, and a refrigerator.
 
5:26 PM
@trilolil how much threading experience do you have?
 
@roscoe_casita I have the feeling that everytime I need to create a GUI, I quickly need a GUI. Is it only me?
 
user2015064
If anyone can understand it, just say "Yes" or "No". It is a surprise for me that a number of you don't know English very well, I have just learned that fact...

However, more information is appreciative. I want to leave the "chat" room as soon as possible.
 
@roscoe_casita furthest I ve been so far is 1 workerthread and 1 mainthread
the workerthread contained a timer. Every time the timer reached 0 it sent a signel to the main thread to update the GUI
@roscoe_casita
 
user2015064
@Mysticial - Can you help me?
 
@xersi yes
... no
nyeos
 
5:28 PM
Nokay!
 
user2015064
"Okay!" Did you mean that?
 
@xersi This is a chat room, not a help desk. If you need help, please ask on Stackoverflow.
 
rofl
@Mysticial we ll glady downvote your English grammar questions on stackoverflow :)
 
@trilolil everyone gets to interpret it exactly as they want!
 
user2015064
@Mysticial - If I asked this question on Stackoverflow it would ruin my entire identity. They are too dangerous words, I need a more secret place to ask.
 
5:30 PM
but regarding the cpp,
I have the feeling that everytime I need to create a GUI, I quickly need a GUI. Is it only me?
omg...
@xersi we are all very open here on the stackoverflow chat we won t tell anybody
 
@trilolil are you using the same gui tool over and over?
 
@roscoe_casita well I am writing C++ using Qt, is that bad?
I always use Qt
 
@trilolil no no, I'm not sure what the question is: "I have the feeling that everytime I need to create a GUI, I quickly need a GUI. Is it only me?"
 
@roscoe_casita sorry typo haha. I meant that every time I am writing a GUI I end up in the same situation, ie I every time need to use multithreading at one moment or another. Is it only me or is multithreading essential when making gui for every dev/eng?
 
@trilolil OHHHH YES!. YES IT IS!
@trilolil You need a GUI thread whose job is JUST to update the screen
 
5:34 PM
ok so that s totally normal?
 
@trilolil on windows / C# , if you even TOUCH a single control on the screen to draw text or something... from ANY thread other then the one that made the window: crash (segfault equivlent)
 
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@Mysticial has the most reputation, I can count on you.
If your first language is not English, then I can leave because it is not possible to get an answer from other people. I will use this sentence of mine in my story.
 
as corrupted violation etc.
 
@xersi what is your native language?
 
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Taiwan, but I am studying English in college. I personally like to make epic English statements.
 
5:37 PM
@xersi how do you define an Epic statement?
 
@roscoe_casita hmm I see, didn't expect multithreading to be that important. But I have the feeling multithreading is always the same up to some level: create a thread, let it do something and allow it to communicate. Or is it really considered as something very complex and advanced rather than something generic?
@xersi ni hui shuo putonghua ma?
 
@trilolil both. Usually the main thread creates the gui, then spawns workers. the main thread then just updates the gui ~ sometimes, and hopefully this is NOT your case, you need a control / master thread to sync them all. ~ this is when you have multiple threads hacking away at the same problem. you can usually get away without one.
 
@trilolil Depends a lot on the context.
 
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@trilolil - shi. (I like English more).
Epic English sentences sound cool to me and entertain myself, but it is the time to leave because there is no objection as far as I can see. I am happy my epic sentence contains no flaw.
 
@roscoe_casita interesting... btw "worker thread" is a widely used term when dealing with multithreading in cpp? I though the term "worker" was only used when dealing with Qt.
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Zheli renmen bu yao bang ni
 
5:41 PM
@trilolil worker is generic term for multithreading, now a CWorker is different ~ if that makes sense, one is a concept, the other is an implementation
 
ok then I guess I'll have to improve my multuthreading skills :)
MVCmodels in combination with multithreading, that must become messy very quickly
 
MVC is just very messy
in fact, pretty much all UI systems are pretty crap
 
@Puppy Everything is MVC... and nothing is either.
 
React is the only system I've encountered which doesn't suck tremendously
 
@Puppy C# did a decent job of making you think it wasn't; until it all blew up. I'm still impressed with monoC#/gtk gui
 
5:44 PM
@Puppy such a positive view on things...
 
@roscoe_casita No, it really didn't
 
do developers get more and more pessimistic the more time goes by?
 
@trilolil They just realize that everything is actually terrible. it wasn't just a guess.
 
@roscoe_casita it is up to them to help push the boundaries of technology to make things better
having a senior dev showing you all the pitfalls and hwo things suck helps so much in order to become a better engineer/ dev.
Funnily enough I almost never had one, the only people I meet showing me that type of stuff is here on SO
Would love to have such a senior developer training me to be the best, in stead of having to find everything out by myself and having to ask on SO lol
 
that's how you become a senior
 
5:49 PM
@Puppy to what are you referring?
 
learning shit for yourslef
 
@Puppy yes, but you lose a lot of time by getting tricked in the classical caveats. While if you have a senior dev who can tell you to watch out for that, you win a lot of time
life is short to become the best
 
yeah, but what you don't learn is to spot those things for yourself
 
@trilolil this is hard, a senior dev is there to help get you back on the tracks when you fall off.
@trilolil part of becoming a senior dev, is learning how to get your train back on the rails, when you fall off.
 
what surprised me recently: I heard from some recruiters that the best engineers/developers become freelancers rather than becoming employees for some companies. Some software engineers become freelancers in their late twenties (apperently htat is the moment when you are at the peek of your carreer )

How do those people get back on track if they are alone?
 
5:54 PM
experience
 
and how do they get such a good level of knowledge in such a short time that leads them to an idea like: "I am good enough to sell my skills as a self employed freelacer"?
 
@trilolil this makes sense, I would not sign a contract for a company at this point
 
@trilolil Recruiters are notoriously full of shit.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ^^
 
@trilolil It's not a short time at all
 
5:55 PM
@Puppy 10 years of experience is all it took...
 
@Puppy 5 years of experience is enough you think to become a good freelancer or start a business with your knowledge?
 
@trilolil also, what contracts are they pulling down? from what source? I had a hard time trying to land them.
 
@roscoe_casita you think the only way of getting the correct amount of money for your current level of knowledge is via freelancing rather than being an employee?
 
@trilolil Try 10
 
@Puppy I was told by a very wise engineer one day: once you graduate (in mycase I was 23), give yourself 5 years to be an expert in your domain (in my case embedded software and aviation), start a business at 28 and stabilize it at 30
so that when you are thirty the company is more or less stable and you can focus on expanding it and on personal life
 
5:58 PM
@trilolil I was overqualified for my previous position, I am becoming a master expert now (PhD in my domain), I will start a buisness afterwords (I already have one that I do contract work though already, but I'm kind of picky about my contracts / work)
 
10 years experience may include during education
 
@Puppy looks like you agree with his vision of things :)
 
if you are aggressive
 
@roscoe_casita what is/was the topic of your PhD?
 

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