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12:50 AM
Whats everybody up to?
 
yes
 
wow stop being so negative
 
actually I'm thinking about checking out a different Indian restaurant and maybe seeing Wonder Woman
@EdgyAlpaca no
 
1:29 AM
Trying to figure out if its possible to solve symbolic expressions in C++, or just giv eup and invoke Mathematica.
 
@Mikhail Both Mathematica and Maple do the core of their symbolic "stuff" in C (for what little that's worth). Well, Maple uses C; Mathematica also uses some C++.
 
Yeah but my copy of Hex-Rays expired, so that might not be a practical approach.
Also Maple is dead (to me)
 
@Mikhail Certainly not trying to advocate for it, or anything like that--just the other obvious software that does that particular sort of thing.
 
1:44 AM
Hello, Cruel World!
@jaggedSpire WW was pretty good. IMO
 
2:17 AM
@Code-Apprentice I've heard. I'm very happy they seem to have done her justice. :)
 
used both Mathematica & matlab back in uni days, didn't know that they were competitors
 
that was good Indian food
and only five minutes away
but there's a place just as good 3 minutes away :|
oh no
however will I survive
 
Yelp?
 
nah, personal experience
it was a very remote possibility they were going to be better than the place closest to me, but people kept talking it up
it turns out I'm just surrounded by great Indian restaurants
 
2:33 AM
@jaggedSpire So deeply saddening (for me--here there's lot of Mexican, but not so much Indian).
 
I could do with a bit more Mexican
we should swap half of our surrounding restaurants
 
@jaggedSpire Might be hard to convince people to move here just at this moment though. 7:30 PM, and the temperature has just dropped below 90 F (and was over 100 F this afternoon).
 
how long does that usually last every year?
 
Indian mexican - like curry chicken burrito?
 
@JerryCoffin That's unfortunate, but I heard there was a good place in San Diego for Blackfish.
 
2:39 AM
made with naan bread
 
@jaggedSpire That hot is actually pretty rare, but there seems to be a week or two almost every summer that's pretty uncomfortable. Closer to the coast, it's much less problematic though--right here, it was 102 today; 15 miles west in La Jolla the high was 78.
 
it's about the same here, I'd say. Just usually a bit later than this
 
@Mikhail Yes, there are a lot of good seafood places too.
 
can you still have bonfire on the beach?
 
@Telkitty Yes, at least on some beaches (not sure about others).
Actually, that's a good idea: I should do a quick run to Sunset Beach (bonfires are pretty common there).
 
 
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4:33 AM
understanding low level JS APIs
kekeke
 
5:06 AM
ipad pro - $1000, don't understand why people don't buy a PC and a tablet with this $1000 instead
I mean ipad is of better quality of course
but IMHO not warrant 3x the price ...
I love this world - because it's filled with cheapskates like myself.
 
5:25 AM
@Telkitty It's the electronic version of an expensive watch for men or an expensive purse for women--the main point is to prove that you can afford something expensive (that's just useful enough that you can do so without quite going so far as to admit that you're being a conceited asshole).
 
5:40 AM
spending 3x as much on something that's only 20% better can prove: 1) you could possibly being really, really rich and don't care about money or 2) you are doing it for another purpose and in some other ways, you getting more than $700 out of it (be that relationship or closing a deal) or 3) 90+% chance if you are buying it for yourself, you are not a rational person and makes bad decisions in life ...
 
> Des nouvelles de Luc, enfermé pendant 9 ans dans un garage.
@Mikhail know any good competitor to hex rays? The license is so fucking expensive
inb4 I make my own
 
@EdgyAlpaca Unfortunately, no.
Oh yay. Not only using Turbo C++, but even providing us with screenshots of it:
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Q: C++ compile error "too many types in declaration"

Adarsh Hegdewhenever I compile this program, I get an error saying "Too many types in decleration on line 13". I do not see any possible syntax errors but still I am facing this issue. #include<iostream.h> #include<conio.h> class currency { private: int rupee,paise; int total; public: v...

 
5:56 AM
@JerryCoffin sounds like a potential market opportunity then, no?
 
@EdgyAlpaca One that Scott Adams covered quite a while ago:
 
6:26 AM
@EdgyAlpaca We're fucked because I can't open hexrays.exe in Hex Rays
 
6:41 AM
@EdgyAlpaca Oh wait--I crossed the streams again. The comic strip would be referring to a market opportunity for an iPad-like device, not Hex-Rays.
 
 
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8:20 AM
I am never asking serious questions again
 
oh no you ran out of free help
 
Where's my refunds
 
I can only answer this serious question once the usual account has been refilled
 
I can think of a cash cow question, but there are more entertaining things to do
 
I want a cash cow
 
8:29 AM
do you want cash cow or cow for cash :p
@Code-Apprentice You can start a question on sharing through intent. I am 99% sure the problem has not been completely solved. Although you might have to do plenty of research.
I got 3 versions of half working code that I could share with you
 
sharing what? and do you mean an Android Intent?
 
yeah
sharing pictures and videos
sharing text is easy
 
From my experience, when you request a picture, say from the camera, the returned data contains a URL to the picture.
which makes sense since you do not want to put the entire pic/vid in memory.
 
the trick is saving and retrieving that url
and also different version of android act differently
and different apps accept the intent sharing in varied ways
then you have issue with extensions
it's like mud wrestle with a bear
 
8:46 AM
@Mysticial Have you checked out Fate/Apocrypha yet?
 
nope
 
Just watching it now. A new studio exploring an alternate timeline. Seems like there'll be new characters
 
 
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10:19 AM
@StackedCrooked happy bday
 
Thanks :)
 
Congratulations for having survived another year :p
 
hehe, thanks
 
@Puppy I tried to fuck a C array once, but during foreplay it decayed into a pointer :(
@EdgyAlpaca Math.abs(no)?
 
@fredoverflow was it because memory problems?
 
10:33 AM
> Sorry, you're not my type...
 
coz C arrays are not smart and tend to suffer from alzheimer's
 
Just saved myself two clicks per CI by making Valgrind return 1 when it finds problems.
I'm great <3
 
10:49 AM
how do I fake weak internet signals so I can test my improved download code?
 
tinfoil
 
user1804599
What is the half life of a C array?
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow The absolute value of the smallest signed integer is negative.
 
as you insert, C arrays throws run time error: 'you are too long for me!'
 
11:13 AM
@rightfold If it's more than zero, it's too long
 
11:43 AM
 
12:02 PM
I'm booooooooooored again ♫
 
12:14 PM
I am here to talk
 
I am here to troll
 
What is purpose of this lounge. I am new to this thing
 
Today the skies are gris, grey and gray. It feels a bit sad :/
 
I am not into sarcasm so you need to explain this
 
There was no sarcsam involved: skies were blue where I live yesterday, but today are totally gray.
 
12:22 PM
You changed your location or skies changed their color
 
Skies changed their color.
They always do.
A few days ago, they were like this:
But today it's all grey :/
 
That is beautiful
 
We often have changing clouds, so in the morning and in the evening, we often have nice things like this :)
 
What type of questions I should ask here?
still the purpose of Lounge is unclear to me
Is size of vtable fixed?
 
12:43 PM
Lounge a support group for C++. ex-C++ developers to help themselves recover from Post-traumatic stress disorder
 
1:07 PM
@KamilMahmood You don't ask questions here, you ask them here
inb4 this room is empty
inb4 well duh, that's because it's for questions, if you don't ask questions there won't be any answers
 
@milleniumbug it's void
 
1:24 PM
@Telkitty not all are ex-developers
only Bartek really
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@milleniumbug In FAQ they say it is place to ask informal question here
 
@KamilMahmood as in this faq?
that relates directly to the curation of the list in the answers
 
1:55 PM
Today is so boring :'(
 
2:07 PM
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@Morwenn Meanwhile on the boost mailing list
@KamilMahmood Yeah. Sorry I broke it
 
@sehe Yeah, I stumbled upon that one yesterday xD
Oh, and it looks like pdqsort just made its way into Boost.Sort.
 
Very much
 
I tanned a bit yesterday, but also burnt a bit -___-
Who would have thought that we'd get a sunny weather for the band's photo while we were shooting in France's least sunny place?
 
user1804599
2:56 PM
Yes, Rust is full of SJWs.
 
@Morwenn France's least sunny place is still likely have sunny weather at this time of the year.
 
@StackedCrooked That's not a given: there are clouds everywhere today.
 
@KamilMahmood The primary purpose of the Lounge is for us to entertain each other. There's a different chat room for actual questions about C++.
 
user784668
@sehe I want an async IO library that uses the Windows model of "start some shit and get a notification when it's done" on all platforms
 
@Fanael I want one that knows what to start on its own--and knows what to do next, without bothering me... :-)
 
user784668
3:07 PM
fuck autotools
 
user784668
fuck autotools
 
user784668
fuck autotools
 
There surely are better things to fuck.
 
@JerryCoffin I think you need a human for that, and a smart one at that ...
 
user784668
@Morwenn sauce?
 
3:09 PM
@Fanael EDG wiki for Toronto.
 
while most guys want to have sexual relation with hot women, nerds want to f*** C arrays and autotools ...
 
user784668
@Morwenn So no public sauce?
 
open sauce software
 
@Telkitty I tend to only make love to myself.
@Fanael Couldn't find one.
 
but the whole internet needs to know it?
 
user784668
3:13 PM
@Morwenn So leak it.
 
@Fanael I already leaked the conclusion yesterday :p
 
@Telkitty I didn't claim that what I wanted fell within the realms of practical reality.
 
user784668
@Morwenn We need the whole paper though
 
user784668
And by "we" I mean "I" obviously
 
@Fanael Apparently it has an official number. You'll find it in the next mailing in a few weeks.
 
3:20 PM
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Q: Rule of Zero - What is it trying to say?

Down ReSo I have been reading about the Rule of Zero. Let's start out pretty simply: I do not understand the purpose of this rule. The rule of three and five are "rule of thumbs", but I cannot see the "rule of thumb" or any other specific intentions with this rule. Detailed version: Let me quote: ...

robot is needed on line 3 ;)
 
I think the answer to this question would explain what is RAII
 
Also separation of concerns.
 
3:37 PM
hmmm, I can't access robot's website for some reason
rules are unpinned btw
 
There are no rules. People can fly.
Anything can happen.
Sometimes there’s a moment as you’re waking and you become aware of the real world around you, but you are still dreaming. You may think you can fly but you better not try.
 
3:50 PM
There are no rules. The Lounge exists in a space-time continuum that follows these laws of physics.
 
@rightfold I know:
jshell> Math.abs("polygenelubricants".hashCode())
$1 ==> -2147483648
 
@JerryCoffin Can you make this bold?
 
There are no rules. The Lounge exists in a space-time continuum subject to these laws of physics.
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thanks
 
@JerryCoffin What a bold claim!
2
 
4:03 PM
@fredoverflow Actually, a demi-bold claim, but that's still stronger than England's claim to sovereignty over Brittany turned out to be in the end...
 
@JerryCoffin Thanks for educating me in this wild World
 
@KamilMahmood Uhhhhh....educating? What's that mean? I only know short words with one syll....sound thing...in them.
 
@JerryCoffin learn other peoples
 
@fredoverflow Peep-holes? Hunh?
 
5:21 PM
Again you come to us with a lot of prose, and no code. "What could be causing the deadlock" - a number of things. We're more likely to see which if we can see your code. — sehe 3 mins ago
Turns out he wasn't sorry enough the other day.
This time I'll wait for you to make an SSCCE or MCVE. The links tell you how. My previous answer showed you how. — sehe 43 secs ago
 
@sehe Why do you spend so much time doing this? :o
 
Because boost is my tag. It's a hobby
 
Oh right, hobbies.
 
@sehe Sounds like someone was fed up
 
Sounds someone is a little bit immature, too :)
 
5:38 PM
Quite possible
 
6:14 PM
I wish your face wasn't quite possible
@JerryCoffin I think you mean, the strength of the armies they were using to back up that claim ;p
 
6:57 PM
@Puppy Probably--but remember, Monarchs are God's chosen representative on earth. When Great Britain lost, it was because God willed it! :-)
 
true
 
@Puppy Amazing how few generations it takes to get from "most ruthless warlord in the vicinity" to "God's chosen ruler."
 
@JerryCoffin Probably depends on if the warlord is winning or not
 
@Puppy Well, yeah. But in most cases winning was largely about being ruthless.
 
My poop is going to be green.
...if the pumpkin seed oil gets through unprocessed.
 
7:20 PM
Is he /our guy/? softwaregarden.io/manifesto @Mysticial
 
@Mikhail Software gardening: better code from shoveling shit!
 
7:34 PM
Pfff. I'm hungry but I've got no motivation to eat -_-
 
er, hunger?
 
That's not really enough of a motivation.
I mean, I'm too use to acknowledge it and not do anything about it.
 
8:04 PM
@jaggedSpire So what did you think of WW?
 
8:30 PM
> My supercomputing homework
Now that's a good name for a project.
 
Any Xcode users here?
 
no
 
@Mikhail Bully much? :)
 
9:30 PM
transitions = Arrays.stream(tokens).flatMap(token -> IntStream.rangeClosed(0, token.length()).mapToObj(index -> transition(token, index))).collect(Collectors.groupingBy(Map.Entry::getKey, LinkedHashMap::new, Collector.of(StringBuilder::new, (a, b) -> a.append(b.getValue()), StringBuilder::append)));
 
just don't put it in a single line and you'll be fiiiiiiiiine
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm watching the HL one right now its pretty good. I really liked the Solo Portal 2 Coop run.
 
I won't make much of a difference considering the activity of the room, but I'm going to sleep.
 
Night!
 
Have a good night! :)
 
9:48 PM
@fredoverflow Here you go:
transitions = Arrays.stream(tokens)
      .flatMap(token->IntStream.rangeClosed(0, token.length()).mapToObj(index->transition(token, index)))
      .collect(Collectors.groupingBy(
          Map.Entry::getKey, LinkedHashMap::new,
          Collector.of(StringBuilder::new, (a, b)->a.append(b.getValue()), StringBuilder::append)));
Oh god. In chat that doesn't fix anything
 
@fredoverflow if syntax bloat could make one constipated, Java programmers would burst
 
Well not at my zoom level
 
nwp
Yay, debian updated firefox and "open link in foreground tab" works again.
 
wth
@ScarletAmaranth Actually that's a testimony to the great reductions in verbosity in Java 8 (9)? Iff that is Java at all. I wouldn't be surprised if it were some derived JVM language
@Mikhail lol howfuckedismydistro.com
 
nwp
9:51 PM
> Version 52.2.0, first offered to ESR channel users on June 13, 2017
 
I don't actually disagree with that assessment much though
 
nwp
not brand new, but not 3 years old either
 
www-client/firefox: ppc64 stable wrt bug #621722
Agostino Sarubbo, Wed, 21 Jun 2017 08:21, commit d34f9f72
 
Arch or gentoo
Also, good luck with all teething problems :)
If your systems are unimportant you should always run bleeding edge.
For firefox, I dunno. I don't use it. Chrome updates itself. Opera updates itself.
 
inf
what's best alternative for std::string_view with different pointer types?
 
10:03 PM
@sehe It is Java 8.
 
> different pointer types
 
inf
than char*
 
std::string_view? Because like basic_string<> there is basic_string_view<>
So it's not different pointer types (there's only one, anyways) but different element types
 
inf
but for basic_string_view do I not need to implement char_traits for that value type
 
@inf Only if you care about it. Why? If you want array_view, use it en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/experimental
 
inf
10:06 PM
oh array_view exists? that's what I was looking for
 
Mmm. Seems it was dropped. It's very very simple to make. And boost no doubt has it
 
inf
yeah, llvm also has array_ref
 
@Morwenn His formal Beast review:
>
I think that this library should be ACCEPTED into boost. It is an important improvement on asio, in order to offer a more detailed networking stack in boost.
I don't even
 
inf
meh, why I am not surprised. Classical C++ proprosal, there was a simple one but people had to over complicate it so that we don't have anything now.
anyway, thanks @sehe
 
Well. It's also the classical application domain for the language. It happens, but OTOH just carrying in the simple stuff refutes the need for standardization (just put it in Boost/GSL iyam). Otherwise, we get what happened in the past: many utilities of questionable value, because they're not particularly well done
 
10:51 PM
@sehe Well, at least between Boost and TSes we're now doing at least a little to try to ring them out and put them to real use before we standardize them.
 

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