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1:24 AM
@sehe FYI, got reply and was told:
For example, your app’s store listing contains an image with the text "ass" in the Screenshots.
I did have a screenshot with caption 'fat ass to the rescue'
 
 
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5:05 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Did you watch some SGDQ? If so, any recommendations?
 
5:17 AM
@Borgleader Didn't get to watch a lot of it, but still: NieR: Automata, Luigi's Mansion, Metroid Prime, Okami, Donkey Kong 64, Half-Life, Doom, Twilight Princess, all of Tetris, Metroid Fusion and Super Metroid.
(Pretty much everything I got to watch)
And tomorrow I'm definitely not missing any of Super Mario 64, Majora's Mask and EarthBound.
 
Cool, I only watched Jedi Outcast thus far because I chat with the guy who runs it. It was great.
 
 
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7:08 AM
Emm, either I am doing something wrong or google play not longer synchronize new screenshots and new software updates. They are in different tabs ...
also almost full moon tonight
 
8:07 AM
10 hours ... less than 20 messages ...
 
9:02 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Those interfaces still need implementations for the common cases.
 
Xeo
9:31 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Super Monkey Ball is always a treat
The Freedom Planet run was also kinda interesting, because holy shit can the couch guy talk.
oh wow, 8h FF7 run
jesus
 
9:48 AM
@Xeo it’s a staple
 
10:16 AM
gotta love recursion
 
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lol
 
photoshop - the tool for image recursion
 
10:40 AM
@David Instead of talking a lot, just show the code that exhibits the problem. Because now we're left guessing, and this will not lead to the most helpful comments/answers. I tried though. — sehe 51 mins ago
@fredoverflow I like how in the handheld copies, the text is fuzzy enough to plausibly read "College Poop Algebra"
 
@fredoverflow It's a different set of people on the smaller textbook cover, I think. It's kinda hard to tell because they're so small, and I also doubt that it is coincidental that every person holding one has their arm across the people on the cover
 
You can tell it's not the same cover, because the smaller copies don't have the bar code stickers.
 
11:19 AM
downloading code was not working perfectly, could be because that I was testing it in the middle of nowhere & the reception was poor
 
@Columbo One of my favs. Played it at a competition once, as well as the second in E♭
 
@sehe So beautiful... I watch those insane rampages in town on TV, and the next moment I just melt away by this transcendental music....
(I live in Hamburg)
My father's best friend and his students are working there every night
 
Oh yeah. Reminds me to check the news some time this weekend :|
 
He's away 15 hours everytime.
He already got a hearing damage back in 2015 when someone threw a banger right at his head at a May 1st demonstration
So we're worrying
Because these guys are fucking mentally impaired and just devastate everything that isn't nailed down
 
@Columbo For the introduction I prefer the tempo by e.g. Krystian Zimerman. Now it reached the first movement and ... it's a bit unresty :)
 
12:04 PM
I haven't heard Zimerman on Schubert yet.
I only know him from his signature composer, Chopin.
 
@Columbo Welcome to individualism vs. society. My head stops comprehending at football shenanigans
 
@sehe 50 of them gathered in some shopping alley yesterday and just destroyed every little shop they came by
Cars burning everywhere
(And they're not even insured against this)
The scenery was truly unpredictable for most citizens like me, who're used to law and order being obliged thorougly
 
@Columbo You're missing out! Especially this Schubert is delicississimo
amazon.com/s/… apparently they stopped oneboxing amazon
 
But I might gift the Amazon one to my mother for her next birthday.
 
@Columbo Not sure about the YT versions. I don't think I've heard them
 
12:07 PM
She used his recording of Ballade 4 (magnificent recording, btw.) when she practiced it in the Moscow Conservatory
She said she practiced it madly :-)
And my father heard her play it live, and cried (At least that's her version)
 
uhoh - a nervy miss at 7:01 how uncharacteristic.
What strikes me in his technique is the "violent" upward movements of the hand/underarm
 
@sehe My mother hates him due to his mannerisms. She says this movement is what they called "finger ballet" in the Conservatory
And people are being mocked for it
 
@Columbo The first time I noticed, really (though I usually only listen. The Bachs seemed unhindered by this.
The tempi on Schubert still strike me as a little heavy-handed/stationary
 
@sehe I haven't heard many recordings of this piece in particular. I do play the second one myself, and for that one, his Berlin recording is a bit slow, but with fine grained dynamics. The other side of the spectrum would be e.g. Perahia, who plays it plainly but beautifully: youtu.be/p96DBFLVVbU?t=10m22s
 
hey can anyone help me out here? I am new to c++..
 
12:14 PM
no
 
:\
 
@AlphaRomeo We can help you out
Just kidding. We might here:

C++ Questions and Answers

Solve problems and approach solutions. Just ask and lurkers wi...
 
@sehe Oh, yeah. I just uploaded a fantastic recording of Partita 6. I'm in love with it, you may wanna check out the Toccata (first movement).
 
@Columbo I love the stability, The thing is playful of its own accord.
I think it's on par with Zimerman, but Zimerman does some subtle micro-articulation stuff that I happen to love
 
12:18 PM
Zimerman is a perfectionist, indeed. I think he takes dozens of recordings before he finds the right one
 
(timed link)
@Columbo Everything is articulated to the last microsecond. The tone variations on all those "boring" scale passages. The tone on all the schubert figuration (32:13+ and 33:31+ e.g.) and the masterful tone at last two pages. Simply the best I've heard.
Switching back to Perahia's E-flat impromptu sounds peasant like in comparison (in part due to registration. This is also what irks me about Ashkenazy e.g.)
I love Perahia though (Mozart, Chopin, Bach, just about equally). So it's not that. It's just different kinds/levels of delight
 
 
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2:03 PM
@sehe Wow, this is fantastic.
 
@Xeo JRPGs are long.
 
Xeo
yeah. I just expected some massive skips w
 
 
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3:22 PM
Free flags:
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A: What is the "-->" operator in C++?

Bhawandeep SinglaIt is equivalent to: while((x--) > 0)

And I'm off to AMW.
 
@Mysticial i forgt which flg were supposed to us for this
 
NAA or VLQ with comment saying it's a duplicate and doesn't add shit.
 
3:52 PM
yoface
 
4:47 PM
@Columbo it's nice to be able to share delight
 
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Hi @sehe.
 
user1804599
5:03 PM
@Mysticial help
 
user1804599
Why is if (n % 3 == 0) { translated into this?
 
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imul    rcx, rax, 1431655766
mov     rdx, rcx
shr     rdx, 63
shr     rcx, 32
add     ecx, edx
lea     ecx, [rcx + 2*rcx]
cmp     eax, ecx
je      .LBB0_3
 
user1804599
Does it use integer overflow?
 
@sehe I just have a hard time with strings being treated with such...violence. Strings produce their best when gently stroked!
:-) (just case that wasn't obvious).
 
wasssup
beyond comparing preferences for string instrument techniques
 
5:16 PM
@rightfold No divides, I think, is the principle motivation
 
@jaggedSpire The fun part is that the author mentioned his article in another comment minutes later.
 
would have to guess that 1431655766 is UINT_MAX / 3
 
user1804599
Found a nice fizz buzz implementation. :)
 
@Morwenn heh :)
 
I found another article wwith a technique to "transport SFINAE errors".
 
user1804599
5:19 PM
#define FIZZBUZZ_NUMERIC 0
#define FIZZBUZZ_FIZZ (1 << 0)
#define FIZZBUZZ_BUZZ (1 << 1)
#define FIZZBUZZ_FIZZBUZZ (FIZZBUZZ_FIZZ | FIZZBUZZ_BUZZ)

int fizzbuzz(unsigned n) {
    auto div3 = n % 3 == 0 ? FIZZBUZZ_FIZZ : 0;
    auto div5 = n % 5 == 0 ? FIZZBUZZ_BUZZ : 0;
    return div3 | div5;
}
 
I thought you said your solution was nice?
 
lol
@Morwenn ooh, link?
 
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It would be nicer if they didn't make enum classes so fucking shit.
 
@jaggedSpire I have a tiny list of articles about improving error messages in this issue :)
 
@Morwenn thanks!
 
5:21 PM
what does enum classes hvae to d with it?
 
@rightfold Computing the remainders, multiplying one of them by two, and ORing the results together is a pretty nice trick. Too bad the rest of the implementation is so ugly. At the risk of sounding conceited, I did it better.
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Q: Yet another FizzBuzz

Jerry CoffinSince today is apparently a good day for...unlikely FizzBuzz implementations, I decided to contribute another, this one in C++: #include <iostream> #include <functional> #include <vector> #include "xrange.h" int main() { std::vector<std::function<void(int)> > funcs { [](int i) { std...

 
I had to downvote that accepted answer
fuck C arrays wherever possible
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I don't have anything C against arrays (at local scope), but if you're going not to use std::vector to avoid overhead, then don't use std::function either x)
 
fuck C arrays in any scope
also yes, that is pretty funny too
 
5:40 PM
@Puppy While I applaud your choice of actions, your taste in partners leaves a great deal to be desired.
 
true
 
5:55 PM
@Xeo Holy crap there's a new Re-Creator's episode today. I thought it ended with the previous ep, lol.
 
Ell
@Puppy I don't think c arrays are that much worse than std array
 
they have absolutely no upsides, don't offer safe features, don't offer good interfaces, and offer bonus unsafe features
how much worse could you possibly get
"They're not that much worse, they're just worse in every respect I can think of and there are no situations where they're not worse"
 
@Puppy Given the existence of PHP, it's obvious that they could really be quite a lot worse.
 
are PHP's arrays really worse than C arrays?
because unless they implicitly convert to raw unsafe pointers, I think I'd have to give the win to PHP arrays
 
@Puppy Given the nature of PHP, their being worse in several ways seems nearly inevitable. :-)
 
6:04 PM
@JerryCoffin I still think implicitly converting to raw unsafe pointers is the "winning" feature here
so I think I'm still awarding C arrays the "win"
 
@Puppy Keep in mind that in PHP, pretty much anything converts to anything at the drop of a hat. You think C arrays are worse because you're accustomed to things in C and C++ having at least a little bit of type safety, and arrays largely violate that. In PHP, nothing is type-safe.
 
@Puppy in PHP arrays are also maps
they're a weird hybrid thing
 
6:25 PM
@JerryCoffin Type violations in PHP don't segfault or corrupt memory
@StackedCrooked Still not as bad as C arrays
 
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@StackedCrooked And they remember the insertion order of keys.
 
user1804599
It's a really weird data structure.
 
@Puppy I'd challenge you to prove that, but it would be pointless--attempting to prove much of anything about PHP is a fool's errand.
 
user1804599
It's a hash table where all buckets are stored in a single C array.
 
@JerryCoffin Well, at least in theory. I'm sure you could probably do it with any given implementation without too much trouble ;p
 
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6:33 PM
I need to pick a programming language for my new project.
 
@rightfold Do you mean language to use, or language to implement?
 
user1804599
To use.
 
@rightfold In that case, Haskell.
Or maybe Erlang...or something else. I'm pretty sure those three choices cover the question pretty well though.
 
I admittedly know of no language that cannot be categorized as "something else"
 
@Puppy There you have it--a clear, concise, accurate answer to every question about what language to use for any project! No more need for all those silly benchmarks, tests, hard thinking, reading feature lists, etc.
 
6:47 PM
@rightfold I went back to indermediate keyword lexer states, mostly for fun and giggles:
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked naw man, 2-cour
 
@fredoverflow You seem intent on reinforcing stereotypes about Germans being clueless as to what "fun" really means. :-)
 
7:07 PM
Table tennis is great.
 
The most important lesson here is that code talks. Had you shown the code, we could have pointed it out straight away. For fun, I went a bit further and prototyped a map that allows heterogeneous lookup (using multi-index). Compare the stats/traces with regular map<>. Note the efficiency win of heterogeneous lookup keys. — sehe 24 secs ago
Too much effort again. Does it show that I'm unemployed atm
@Morwenn Actually, it's one of the least great forms of tennis...
 
@sehe You get to do something funny without needing developed muscles. It's great.
Also you can play in your garden.
 
> One of the primary goals of the C++ Concepts TS is to provide better template error messages. Using the reference implementations provided by GCC 7.1's Concepts and concept-enabled Ranges, this paper evaluates the error messages for a few simple STL use cases. The results are surprising, and not encouraging.
 
@Morwenn Well. I did that. I had to honour of undoing all the landscape architecting done by my son's rabbits.
 
7:14 PM
Concepts: will they ever see the light?
 
@Morwenn The surprising result: "We have found the bullet, but it is no longer silver"?
 
Even syntactic sugar for SFINAE would help me in places tbh.
@sehe I have to admit that we often need to move the table a little bit to avoid destroying the same spot forever.
 
You have rabbits? Or digging tables?
Ah, you play in the garden, at a table.
 
We play table tennis, we dig ourselves.
With our feet.
Also I've got to go. To Pokémon go :D
 
Like here, at home. Oh dang. Wrong pole
 
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7:21 PM
@sehe What's the favourite movie of a foot fetishist?
 
user1804599
Fappy Feet
 
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@fredoverflow PureScript is in need of a faster lexer, you should write one.
 
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The current one is notoriously slow; lexing 300000 lines takes around 10 seconds.
 
@rightfold lol
 
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@fredoverflow Why is skorbut not open-source?
 
Ell
7:33 PM
No benefits to being open source
Nobody will contribute
 
7:45 PM
A compelling example of why Vim+YouCompleteMe is nice /cc @Zindarod @VermillionAzure @rightfold // others?
 
user1804599
I don't get it.
 
user1804599
Please clarify.
 
We had the discussion recently. Triggered by people asking about CLion etc. This is a nice diagnostic to get on the fly.
 
imo YouCompleteMe sounds like a dating site more than an autocompletion program
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Yup. The icky name held me off it for more time than I care to admit. I could/should have used it years before I did
 
nwp
7:49 PM
@sehe I saw that and found it super confusing. What is the blue background for? Why is there only 1 warning when it should be 3?
 
user1804599
I much prefer having a single diagnostic at once displayed in a separate terminal, instead of annotations bukkaked all over my code.
 
user1804599
The terminal should be refreshed whenever I save a file, as per ghcid and pscid.
 
user1804599
Someone should make gccid.
 
@nwp There are more, but I show only the one the cursor is over. The point was that all three issues I mentioned in his code were immediately visible in my editor.
@rightfold These are not mutually exclusive. In fact I have both.
 
user1804599
8:06 PM
TIL set nojoinspaces super awesome.
 
Broadpwn Bug Affects Millions of Android and iOS Devices https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/broadpwn-bug-affects-millions-of-android-and-ios-devices/
welp
 
Been fuzzing beast, and got quite some results. But not sure about what it actually found...
This just seems to Jens to me
 
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@meetingcpp is a really weird account.
 
8:21 PM
@sehe That guy keeps being impressive xD
My first reaction was "WTF" to the title "what can Qt and Boost learn from each other?".
 
@Morwenn I'm not impressed but thats mostly because I have no clue what "fuzzing beast" means
 
@Borgleader Using a fuzzer to test the proposed Boost.Beast library.
 
That sure is a great library name, i totally know what that does
 
IIRC it's a networking library, with websockets something.
I never had to use networking libraries in C++, so I know next to nothing about them or how they work.
 
huh... didnt they already have one? asio? or was that just async anything rather than networks? (for some reason i filed it under networking)
 
8:25 PM
Also Beast is based on Asio. I guees it provides additional features.
 
Based on as in its an evolution or as in it builds upon it?
 
It builds upon.
More information here: github.com/vinniefalco/Beast
 
@Borgleader Asio doesn't application layer protocols
I think it provides HTTP, possibly (?) including websockets. I wouldn't be too sure about that
 
8:40 PM
Wow, the paper Does the Concepts TS Improve on C++17? really hits where it hurts.
It basically says that with the tools we already have in C++17, concepts don't help writing generic code, add complexity, and fail at simplifying error messages.
 
@Morwenn Basically they do the opposite of what theyre supposed to do
?
 
Pretty much.
And that's without even considering the terse syntax that many people don't want anyway ^^'
> The Concepts TS does not simplify Generic Programming. The experience with GCC and the reference implementation of the Ranges TS raises serious concerns about whether they can improve the experience of using template libraries. The Ranges TS itself illustrates how the language complexity leaks through concepts and into the user experience, and demonstrates that real-world concepts are not simple or easy to write or use.
> In the 14 years since this approach to concept support was first proposed, C++ has evolved significantly, with the introduction of constexpr, variable templates, constexpr-if, the expansion of SFINAE, and the invention of numerous new template techniques, which together provide the tools that developers are already using to express the ideas of generic programming. Any language feature added to support these idioms should significantly improve on the results we can get today.
> The Concepts TS does not appear to do so.
 
@Morwenn Interesting to see what @LucDanton feels about those claims
 
I wish I could share a link to the full paper, but it's on the EDG wiki ^^'
I'd like to hear Stepanov thoughts about those claims x)
He retired just in time :D
 
The problem is we can't pave over hell and call it Haskell.
 
8:50 PM
We could call it Haskhell though :P
 
I think the key is " the language complexity leaks through concepts". It's the eternal burden of C++
 
(I couldnt not say it)
 
I know
 
@sehe Haskell is not a generic programming reference
 
It has fewer problems in the generic programming department, I wager
 
8:52 PM
it’s incommensurable
 
I'd say the part where it has fewer core language complexities leaking through is pretty evident.
 
now you’re just being flippant
 
I'm not trying to
 
I'm learning new words -.-;
 
Same here ^^'
 
8:57 PM
@sehe examples of very, very core Haskell things that have pervasive impacts on generic programming: (over-)reliance on 2-arity over variadicity (I’ll grant you this one is opinionated), and nominative typing
 
Nominative typing (as opposed to?) - I don't know what that means
 
@sehe the other end is structural typing
 
I wish Make Pointers to Members Callable was accepted. I could delete so much code.
 
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Nominal
 
@LucDanton Ah. That makes sense to me
@rightfold I think nominative is nice. Nominal has too many connotations, at least.
 
8:59 PM
the 6 or 7 ways to do generic programming in Haskell amount to 6 or 7 different ways of converting nominative data to would-be structural bits
@sehe it’s all trade-offs
 
@sehe Yes, including websockets.
 
Ven
Haskell doesn't use bits. Ony trileans
 
@LucDanton I've heard complaints about Haskell, but none quite so penetrant
 
Ven
Almost wrote "trilens", that'd have worked as well
 
@Ven be fast & loose bby
@sehe major déjà vu over here, I’m fairly sure I’ve had this conversation with you before
 
Ven
9:03 PM
@sehe you mean pedant
 
> Next time you will want to ban blacklist/whitelist from your repos because that's racist. Stop this fucking nonsensical bullshit.
Beast review gone wild.
 
@sehe Nominative typing means types are (equivalent|compatible|etc.) only if they have the same names. In pure structural typing, something like struct A { int b; }; and struct C {int d;}` are compatible because they have the same structure. In nominative typing, those are entirely different types that might happen to look a lot alike to you. C and C++ (for example) use both--nominative within a TU, and structural between TUs (mostly, anyway).
 
@JerryCoffin I think that ODR in C++ will actually fuck you if you try to structural that.
particularly, the name mangling of any function taking a C and taking an A would be different, so linking would fail.
 
9:19 PM
@Puppy Could easily be--I'm pretty sure C requires it to work (or at least did when I used C much), but I'd have to do some looking in the standard to be at all sure about C++ (and I'd really rather it didn't work, so I'm not particularly excited about testing and/or looking to be sure).
 
@JerryCoffin It's definitely an ODR violation in C++.
 
@Morwenn Drama!
Hi there.
 
9:35 PM
@rightfold Basically what @Ell said, plus maybe someday I'll make a million dollars from it ;)
 
10:18 PM
@fredoverflow I'd settle for nothing less than a several trillion (since you're apparently talking about 2009 Zimbabwe dollars). At least that way, you might have enough to buy yourself a Coke or something...
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch though to call binary layout compatibility "typing". I wouldn't call that language typing (even to the extent where the standard guarantees compatibility). I'd rate it an interop feature.
I don't recall this.
I do know I triggered you with loose references to "TMP" and/or "generic programming" a few times before :)
 
10:40 PM
@sehe From a functional viewpoint, however, the type itself, and a name you bind to that type, are two entirely separate things. You could easily view this as binding two different names to the same type--which leads fairly directly to structural typing.
 
11:30 PM
@JerryCoffin I wouldn't think of it that way when the language presents alternative features for exactly that purpose.
 

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