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You published a recording that you do not hold the copyrights to. The copyright holder(s) cannot monetize it this way.
@sehe Of course they can. It's detected and then ads are shown.
E.g. on my upload of Perahia's English Suites, someone even commented about that, and all I can do is point them to AdBlock.
Huh. Link to the section that describes this (along with the permission to publish?)
@sehe I don't care if I have the permission. What are they gonna do, come after me? In the case of Sokolov, I know he gives zero shits; he virtually never visited a recording studio. All his recordings were made live at recitals, and the vast majority of them are bootlegs, i.e. there are no official copyright holders. I could look for a bootleg recording of his Brahms Ballades, but this is a good, clean recording, so it does the job.
Ah. Why evade the point with shady excuses, if the substance is "I don't care".
All that yada yada is legal nonsense, IYAM.
> GS: I am being constantly recorded. Every programme has been taped at least twice or three times. All the tapes are now in Paris with Opus 111.
WB: When will these be released?? I can tell you that I have friends all over the world, most of whom worship you and can only think of “more, more, more!”
GS: Diffiult to say, it is my fault. I should go to Paris, listen to the tapes and approve them.
He doesn't even care about making money off his recordings.
@sehe What I care about is making more people appreciate great artists' work.
00:07
@Columbo It doesn't say that, really. And it's irrelevant.
@sehe It implies it, AFAICS.
@Columbo Ok! I was just curious, because I would never just upload things that I bought, or others could buy. At least not in full.
@Columbo And that's irrelevant. Rights do not disappear because it looks like people don't want them.
@sehe I agree. It is my personal way to avoid a bad conscience.
Ok.
Understand it a little better now.
00:10
(I had the privilege of buying the Perahia. So it sits on my shelf and I could easily upload in full flac)
> The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
I did violate this, so I guess my use isn't fair.
But then again, the copyright holders decided to monetarize it.
That's their decision.
> WIEDERGABEBESCHRÄNKUNGEN Keine
MONETARISIERUNG Vom Anspruchsteller monetarisiert
@Columbo How? I don't think there's any truth, whatever way you look at it.
@sehe What do you frickin' mean? Clearly, Youtube has detected that I used copyrighted music in my video. And the copyright holder has, according to my above quotation, decided to monetarize off it.
I fail to see what you fail to see.
Who is the copyright holder, pray tell.
> Believe Music
Im Auftrag von: Naive
00:13
@Mysticial it's finally dying down, I only got 62 rep today :P
Where do you see that? Is there some kind of notification at your upload?
There's a publishing company, but they do typically not have the copyright.
@sehe Video Manager.
That's pretty nifty, really.
@sehe Then who does, the artist?
I'm really really surprised they don't just take it down since they have the capability to detect it. TIL
@Columbo Usually, of course.
00:14
I thought the artist signed a contract that shifts the rights over to the publisher?
By default, anyway
@Columbo They certainly can, and for pop artists, this is probably the more common.
@sehe I'd love to message Sokolov himself (not least because I'm a huge fan), and ask how he feels about all his recordings being public on YT.
:)
The point is indeed that the choice is not yours to make.
The fact that companies are choosing to "go with it" is interesting.
And regardless, I made the choice, and I feel good about it.
:-)
And I am certain that he would approve of what I've done. Tell you what, next time I'll visit his recital in Hamburg, I'll try to catch him after the show and ask.
I think it's doable, especially given that my mom knows him from the Moscow Conservatory
Are you gonna ask Murray too :)
Thinking about it, Youtube is becoming a crowd-sourced "spotify" service this way. But with even fewer guaranteed artist fees.
00:22
You know how happy I was when I found Murray's recording?
I wouldn't have discovered his Bach if it wasn't for Youtube.
And so I plan to purchase his French Suites.
(Released just this year, a fantastic set of recordings!)
This is no justification, but I wouldn't want to deprive tens of thousands of this joy for one individual's sake.
Huh. I'll have to check which bachs I own then. Thought I had those. At the very least I do have the (excellent) Golberg V. by him
For Goldberg variations, I prefer a sharper attack. Gould or Sokolov do me better on that one.
Perahia is more poetic, I feel.
I would :/
I mean, that argument basically holds exactly the same for sharing fappening pictures. Think about it.
@sehe Sure, except this is totally different.
@Columbo Gould of course. I love Perahia's touch there. I'm currently listening to Perahia on Brahms and not charmed too much. Strangely.
00:25
Because in one case we're talking abuse.
@Columbo The logic is exactly the same.
@sehe Yeah, but the moral hazard is different. Vastly different.
Oh well. It's rights. And violating them :)
@sehe Brahms he does very well, I think! Listened to op. 118?
@sehe Yeah, but copyrights and human rights are.... different
@Columbo Yup. youtube.com/watch?v=OQYX8wUu5rI Not too taken by it yet.
@Columbo I was critiquing your logic. Not the consequences.
00:27
@sehe I play the sixth one (youtu.be/OQYX8wUu5rI?t=17m)
It's beautiful. You may want to check out Grimaud's approach, perhaps you'd like that more.
Also, pointing at the lack of consequences is flawed reasoning in its own right.
@sehe well, not if you’re a consequentialist
I hate those.
They make my kids (and everyone else) unsafe by driving recklessly.
@sehe You have kids?
o.O
00:31
What is it now? I haven't frequented the Lounge that badly, I don't know about your life. I know you're married, that's it.
It's ok :) I've been mixing you up as well
Yeah, no worries. The "oO" just made me feel like I was missing something bluntly obvious.
Btw. his Brahms Rhapsodies are electric: youtube.com/watch?v=GMveEoRmkJE
This is my night cap. Fond memories of that piece.
@Columbo Nice. That's more like it. I've only ever heard that from repeated sightreading it myself. It was one of those pieces I'd only play when I was "borrowing" an apartment of a co-student to look after his cats piano
Looks like I have my day in music set for tomorrow.
[Freely admitting I love this general availability of excellent classical recordings.]
00:37
@sehe So do I. It's such a privilege. It's what got me back into playing, too.
@sehe I managed to play the grand in one of our college's music practice rooms so loudly that someone could hear it through two windows in his room, and reported it to the staff
So now they'll install proper isolation
lol
There's a small period of time where I can't touch a proper grand on a regular basis now :(
Fortunately, I'll get home on the 11th, where a freshly tuned and restored grand is waiting
01:27
> It's like a rainbow. Of ugly.
02:15
?
03:04
Can somebody quickly review a GLSL kernel for coding style?
(in simplified form)
03:41
@Borgleader @TonyTheLion hey
@Columbo Yes and no. The problem basically comes down to the fact that even though the odds of winning aren't particularly high, the profit when he does win can be pretty huge. So, he just needs to take on enough cases to win a case once or twice a year (or so) to make a really decent living out of it.
The other big problem is that juries all too frequently just get things wrong. Attorneys pretty routinely do tests on things like this. One thing they find is that they can put together a test case where the evidence is heavily stacked in one direction. so any competent jury would have to find in one direction--and mock juries will find in the wrong direction something like 15-20% of the time. So even taking on cases with no real evidence in their favor isn't necessarily a huge problem.
@jaggedSpire Samoyeds FTW!
samoyed barks a lot
@JerryCoffin I think I might want one, if I'm in a colder climate when I have the space for a dog that large :)
they are, however, absolute cute ... until they start barking
04:12
I don't really want to torment a samoyed with the Missouri summer
@jaggedSpire One hint: if you do get one, get only white furniture, so at least the white hair everywhere won't be quite so obvious.
@JerryCoffin how about I also get a groenendael belgian shepherd at the same time?
Half the hair I'm covered in can be white and the other half can be black
There is a couple in the neighbourhood who have a couple of samoyeds, not sure they are breeders. I used to always bump into them when jogging. The dogs are absolutely beautiful. But one always barked when I went pass.
this seems like a great plan
My favourites are border collies & huskies
@JerryCoffin never heard that song before
there was also a guy who used to walk a husky on a bicycle in the local park too, he let his dog pull his bike sometimes
I say 'hello' to people who walk their dogs way more often when I jog, cute dogs are definitely one way to get peoples attention in the park
04:32
hi guys
can someone quickly help me with C++ basics?
04:49
no need to ask if you may ask a question - just ask it, and anyone interested will respond...
05:02
please stop trying to indent my code the wrong way IDE
two spaces for life
@user4447655 Quickly? Have you tried Turbo C++?
personally I prefer two-space tabs on odd lines, and three-space tabs on even
except for when the line number is divisible by 17, in which case I use five-space tabs
05:18
I prefer 3 spaces tab, but 2 spaces should be fine too
@jaggedSpire Do you start counting lines at 0 or 1?
@fredoverflow it depends on the day of the week
@jaggedSpire But 7 is an odd number :(
@fredoverflow I highly recommend you for professorship
@fredoverflow :3
05:21
New rule of coding practice, each line should contain 2^n spaces, each tab should be 2 spaces, each variable name should be each 4, 8 or 16 letters long </trollololo>
FYI, Turbo C++ actually turns off turbo
@Telkitty is n here any positive integer, or the line number
or something else?
positive integer of course
05:44
Bad idea of the day: enforce constant correctness with mprotect()/VirtualProtect() in debug mode
@fredoverflow I have. Turbo Pascal compiled a lot faster.
06:11
@JerryCoffin it also didn't save before you ran the program, so if you forgot to do that and accidentally run a broken build, you lost the changes
#beenthere
@BartekBanachewicz I seem to remember at least some versions auto-saving, but it's been long enough that I'm quite uncertain about that. For quite a while back then, I mostly used Microsoft's "Programmer's Work Bench" as my text editor. It was strange, but versatile (actually, I think by rms' definition, it probably qualified as an emacs, though I never looked at all the dark corners to verify that).
I used the 5 IIRC
or maybe 4
 
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07:44
those guys are freaking crazy
@BartekBanachewicz Did I spot "hallucination" in there?
I wouldn't be surprised
it's a great read anyway
08:24
A nice day for NASA watching
> I was elected by the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris.
Does this mean that if the accord was signed in Pittsburgh (thus becoming "the Pittsburgh accord") he'd stay in?
Obviously
Everyone knows Pittsburg is the social and economic heart of the civilized world.
People in the US don't like the $100 billion dollar (a year?) fund, although its not clear exactly where the money comes from,or if its possible to get that much money
@sehe just like my chicken is a bird of prey
@Mikhail "that much money"?
08:29
It seems to me they could worry about a few other similarly sized funds. Specifically, where they're sourced from.
I have to provide more of my For A Sense Of Scale™ services
What?
the Robot strikes again!
As much as 0.6% of the US GDP. Who knows if we can get that much money
2.5% of US fiscal budget
Who knows if that much money is possible
What's the question/concern/statement?
08:31
Let's admit it's significant. But you know, it's irresponsible not to, even when not in a treaty.
you can always borrow it:
This is a list of countries by external debt, which is the total public and private debt owed to nonresidents repayable in internationally accepted currencies, goods or services, where the public debt is the money or credit owed by any level of government, from central to local, and the private debt the money or credit owed by private households or private corporations based in the country under consideration. For informational purposes, several non-sovereign entities are also included in this list. Note that while a country may have a relatively large external debt (either in absolute or per capita...
indefinetely :)
External debts:
1 United States 18,235,489,000,000 31 December 2016[1]
2 United Kingdom 7,554,815,500,000 31 December 2016[2]
3 France 5,104,831,200,000 31 December 2016[3]
@Mikhail It's your statement.
@sehe Trump campaigned on not giving $100 billion dollars to climate funds, and then didn't give $100 billion dollars to climate funds...
08:33
Everyone knows "that much money" will collapse under its own weight and start nuclear chain reactions.
@sehe I agree it's not peanuts. But "if it's possible to get that much money" is pure demagogy
The confusing part of the $100 billion is the source. I think the aim was to create a sovereign wealth fund thing, which would pay interest, or some other nonsense. But honestly I don't know enough to figure it out.
@Mikhail Ellipses. Very solid reasoning. You're now stating a tenuous observation (with plenty of really forgiving interpretations), however, you were saying something quite different before. You should be looking to remove ellipses, not add more.
People should stop using "billion dollars" as a unit. It's terrible.
$1E9 ?
08:37
yeah right, 0.1 trillion
noes
Missing the point vOv
Do you want it as a fraction of something? idk what your point is...
10^11 dollars
@sehe maybe punctuation is not the most important thing in the world just now
08:41
lel. I'll remember that in case I need to derail something :)
@Mikhail People can't gauge the scale of "100 billion dollars". It sounds big. And when you put it next to "if it's possible to get that much money", it all sounds plausible, but in reality it's bollocks.
@Telkitty Stop trying to indent your code in the wrong IDE
@R.MartinhoFernandes Its hard to measure, for a example a large part of US government spending is non-discretionary, which means the government is legally obligate to spend. $100 billion is more than the sum of federal housing (HUD), education, EPA, and some other agencies. BUT the messed up thing is that its not clear if its money that US government spends or just a financial vehicle for investment.
it should be even bigger skew towards military now
because covfefe
Well, military spending is mostly R&D, which is stolen by defense contractors
08:48
@Mikhail fuck's sake, 54% on military
@Mikhail yeah, those contracts are basically stealing public money
@BartekBanachewicz You can see why Trump is pissed off that NATO isn't spending its share!
The Pentagon Wars is a 1998 dark comedy film from HBO, produced by Howard Meltzer and Gary Daigler, directed by Richard Benjamin, that stars Kelsey Grammer, Cary Elwes, and Richard Schiff. It is based on the book The Pentagon Wars: Reformers Challenge the Old Guard by Colonel James G. Burton, USAF (retired). The film describes the dishonesty associated with the 17-year development of the M2 Bradley fighting vehicle. Tagline: They aimed to build the ultimate fighting machine. They missed. == Plot == Major General Partridge (Kelsey Grammer) is in charge of the Bradley project, that has been...
> He delves into the mountains of paper documenting the Bradley's history and comes to the conclusion that it is "a troop transport that can't carry troops, a reconnaissance vehicle that's too conspicuous to do reconnaissance, and a quasi-tank that has less armor than a snowblower, but has enough ammo to take out half of D.C."
I hugely recommend the movie
Also the pie chart is messed up because things like education are mostly local spending, and vary state-to-state. And actual US states don't have much military spending.
but still the overall distribution should be about the same
No, education is going to be a lot higher, also infrastructure is mostly a state issue.
08:54
@Mikhail Wouldn't the same go for that HUD? So the fact that $100b > (HUD+education+EPA) doesn't really impress all that much in the end?
humans are really smart - spending way more on things that could potentially destroy us than technologies that can help us escaping it when the potential disaster happens
Animals need to think this way. It's evolutionary.
You need to be able to protect, because in reality your fellow humans will (have to) take advantage if they can.
Of course, if we could, instead, get a treaty signed to "not do that"...
@BartekBanachewicz But hey, they have the second amendment to protect against that.
in Poland it's probably 4% or something like that
prolly less
I talked to a lot of people who think that we are better than animals. They came up with a bunch of examples too.
09:04
hmm
Lista państw świata według wydatków na wojskowość – poniżej znajduje się lista państw według wydatków wojskowych z porównawczym uwzględnieniem Unii Europejskiej. Lista oparta jest na Sztokholmskim Międzynarodowym Instytucie Badań nad Pokojem. SIPRI jest bazą danych, która oblicza wydatki na zbrojenia w poszczególnych krajach świata. Obejmuje również wydatki wojskowe jako procent produktu krajowego brutto (PKB) w 2008 roku. == 2010 == Poniżej znajduje się tabela z listą 15 krajów o najwyższym stopniu wydatków wojskowych w 2010 r, == Zobacz też == Lista państw nieposiadających sił zbrojny...
so what's "Discretionary spending" again?
Renewable energy is also mostly R&D, which is a direct investment into jobs and market share for a new markets.
so are space explorations
In any case...
The United States Climate Alliance is a group of three states in the United States that are committed to upholding the 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change within their borders. It was formed on June 1, 2017, by Governors Jay Inslee (Washington), Andrew Cuomo (New York), and Jerry Brown (California) as a result of U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw the United States from the agreement. A press statement released by Inslee states that "New York, California and Washington, representing over one-fifth of U.S. Gross Domestic Product, are committed to achieving the U.S. goal of reducing...
There goes some of that money.
I think those states was hoping the global warming would trigger great part of Florida to be submerged
> This article is part of
a series about
Donald Trump
fuck no it's not
09:09
@BartekBanachewicz Er, yes it is? This was a direct response to one of his decisions.
@Telkitty Next time stop thinking
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's just sad that he can do so much as a single person
I try not to be on attack mode today
the US should divide in half and all trump supporters should move to one side of the line, and all his opponents to the other
that would be the greatest social experiment in history
ofc with separate budgets etc
@Mikhail Also important "with a concrete roadmap to achieve the goal of jointly providing USD 100 billion annually by 2020"
nwp
nwp
09:12
@BartekBanachewicz That sort of happened in germany, korea and probably some other countries.
@Mikhail So you may want to pay less attention to what Trump says. The US never had any expectation of giving $100 billion dollars to climate funds.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Even more so, its not clear if the government is supposed to give the money or private corporations.
@Mikhail I don't know how it makes all those initial statements of yours more true.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Every sentence I wrote had that qualifier...
All together, the developed world would need to provide 0.2% of its GDP every year.
@Mikhail And it's not clear because the parties agreed to define roadmap to achieve that.
09:18
Australia government is going to cut funds to higher education, I guess ignorant people are easier to control
@R.MartinhoFernandes But people that aren't too versed in US politics don't understand that much of the opposition to "green" efforts comes from the Obama years where they invested in a lot of money into failed ventures. For example, Solyndra. In reality it was supporting the industry of one region over another.
@Mikhail I don't see how that matters. Trump decided this already.
we need more funds into space exploration
Policies should not be defended by saying "But people aren't smart enough to understand"
09:20
@Mikhail Are you saying a justification to leave the agreement is internal bickering?
Good policies should be explained, so that people do.
@R.MartinhoFernandes TBH most of Trumps speech sounded like that, a lot.
policies are usually explained anyways
through media mostly
and now social media
Sure. Look how that happened so well with this one.
I was "impressed" by his ability to stay on topic for quite long. Apparently, if he gets carte-blanche to rant about "They're are stealing our wealth" he can go on a bit.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not sure what bickering means. I think the justification is that it doesn't benefit the part of the country that elected Trump - and that a large investment fund that will take that money and spend it on technology not from the USA (or not from his supporters' states).
09:22
@Mikhail Right, that's just internal bickering.
I understand why trump cut funds to fight global warming, but funnel that fund into building bigger army is just stupid
@R.MartinhoFernandes maybe politicking?
That's just bickering for grownups.
And with entire peoples at stake.
One could imagine that Trump wants "a better deal", where the money the US gives goes back to the US?
how is building bigger army going to help you?
09:25
@Mikhail He clearly doesn't, because he chose not to sit at the table to make decisions on the fund.
Quitting this early amounts to that.
if you are going to build a bigger army, other countries will see it as a threat and build bigger armies too
in the end, human race will just implode because stupidity
You can't say "I quit because I want a better deal" when you actually quit before having a deal.
even without debating over the details non-binding means a State can be signatory (ratifying optional, too) and… just not do anything
Though technically you can't start a withdrawal process before 2019, so for now this is just more Trump reality-bending.
@LucDanton This is the reason Nicaragua refused to sign: there's no consequence for signatories that do nothing.
The only action of "reality bending" is that its not clear where or how the $100 billion dollar fund is going to be made. Otherwise its a politician trying his best to deliver on an item he campaign on.
09:30
@Mikhail Quitting now means you don't want to know where or how the $100 billion dollar fund is going to be made.
Arguably, trying his best would be for Mr. Art of the Deal to go and negotiate a good deal with that fund.
@Mikhail that's why I think the whole 'global climate change' collaboration will collapse, the famous free rider problem:
In economics, the free-rider problem occurs when those who benefit from resources, goods, or services do not pay for them, which results in an underprovision of those goods or services. For example, a free-rider may frequently ask for available parking lots (public goods) from the ones who have already paid for them, in order to benefit from free parking. At the end of the day, one may see that the free-rider have used the parking even more than the others without paying a single penny. The free-rider problem is the question of how to limit free riding and its negative effects in these situations...
The criticism of the fund was that it existed to transfer money from developed countries to developing ones.
The fund doesn't exist.
US has no money for the climate change, but enough to send troops after troops in the south china sea
@Telkitty I don't think so, because pollution is bad in both the long term (depletion of natural resources) and the short term (protests). So, I think all countries, even poor ones would benefit from tighter restrictions.
09:35
> Le ministre de l’éducation veut que les devoirs soient faits à l’école
@LucDanton So, just regular exercises in class?
the roof problem to climate change is the increasing in human population
@Telkitty no
@R.MartinhoFernandes details have not come out yet
if there are only 1000 people on earth with advanced technology, there will be little global warming
global warming happens because people need electricity to live, meat to eat, heater to keep warm etc
09:37
also I got surprise pay-walled
the more people, the higher demand on those resources, thus global warming
@Mikhail Don't forget he already delivered on the crucial promise of "having the best words" #covfefe
@LucDanton Frankly I don't understand that debate over homework
@Telkitty And if they grow to 2000 people with high technology there will be little global warming. Its not about people as much as its about people do. For example, coal/gas power plants make no sense when you can build nuclear.
@Rerito Bad parenting
09:38
@Rerito probs cos you didn’t do your homework during school and now you are the dumbs
don't forget that a few dozen million people in the US cheer because of his decision because they're worthless idiots
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so there's that
@sehe Could be, but time isn't strechable (at least, not by a school teacher). I don't see how they could integrate that homework part into the class time schedule
Without having to cut the learning material somehow
Of course not. However, if homework doesn't get done, the system breaks down too
09:40
Or just increase time spent at school!
@Mikhail At a global scale, the FAO has recently estimated that livestock (including poultry) accounts for about 14.5 percent of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions estimated as 100-year CO2 equivalents.[38] A previous widely cited FAO report using somewhat more comprehensive analysis had estimated 18 percent - source: wikipedia
@R.MartinhoFernandes Problem is that this "no homework" shit is partly justified by the fact that kids have too long hours
It's what has been happening - in mild measures - in the Netherlands.
It's partly motivated by more dual income families, so kids spending more time at school because no parent is home happened anyways
@Telkitty Whats your point?
09:41
@sehe That makes sense at least
@Rerito Maybe they just took the "no-homo" slogan the wrong way
And can be beneficial to the kid and the parents. Win/win
Well.
@Mikhail Probably eugenics.
@Mikhail there is correlation between green house gas emission and population on earth
09:43
The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (VHEMT) is an environmental movement that calls for all people to abstain from reproduction to cause the gradual voluntary extinction of humankind. VHEMT supports human extinction primarily because, in the group's view, it would prevent environmental degradation. The group states that a decrease in the human population would prevent a significant amount of human-caused suffering. The extinctions of non-human species and the scarcity of resources required by humans are frequently cited by the group as evidence of the harm caused by human overpopulation. VHEMT...
@Rerito I personally don't view this "privilege" of "equal employment" as a net win (in practice it's a requirement to work twice as much for the same socio-economic opportunities. But I digress)
we could explore space
@Telkitty Please do
@sehe become an employer
09:43
@Telkitty You sent me a link to something about meat production - perhaps everybody should become vegetarian. Nothing to do with population but rather dietary preferences.
@LucDanton Mmm. That could work. If you have the skills :)
Or, hire someone that does.
Mmmm.
@LucDanton ... and then employ your spouse!
For free.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or your children
@Morwenn Didn't you learn from our great politicians?
> Other benefits of ceasing human reproduction that he cites include the end of abortion, war, and starvation
09:45
Not for free! With taxpayers money of course
@Rerito Don't give her an official salary, make sure the money isn't official.
@Mikhail Hitler is a vegetarian, humans are omnivores, OMNIVORES!!!
> Nice : une enseigne "finance islamique" interdite, un recours déposé
Kek
09:46
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually, people have been paying their relatives for child care. Because #fiscalsystem
@LucDanton "Nice", or "nice"?
(I'm guessing the city)
@sehe not nice at all
@sehe I agree. However, since society seems to be evolving this way, we should at least try to adapt our infrastructures or w/e to these new standards of living (regardless of our adherence to that standards)
Yup.
@R.MartinhoFernandes god no
I work quite long hours (could be worse), have a good commute time (could be worse but still). Should I have kids it would be a frigging nightmare
09:48
I've wasted literally years in school
milk biscuits
Yo on an unrelated note, CImg sucks because it stores pixel colors in a planar format making it difficult to use with OpenGL. I'm switching to IPP/NPP
@BartekBanachewicz I'm sorry you feel that way.
Well I sure am sorry too.
09:52
At least now you can waste those years out of school.
Having known that, I'd never go for a degree
The fact you recognize that time could have been spent better doesn't usually make it wasted. It's only wasted if you didn't make the most of it...
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm a much happier person now that I'm out of this mess
Compared to my GF who's now in the exam session it's almost scary
I give it 5 years tops. You'll discover that life is frustrating and generally gets in the way.
Newbie climbers don't attempt the north face of the Eiger, and newbie cross-country drivers don't attempt the Simpson!
09:53
@sehe Dunno really, I mean, you can make the most of a roundabout way, but that still effort tha could be put elsewhere
@sehe well there are always reasons for stuff when it doesn't go your way, but there's always some way out
Oct 14 '16 at 11:36, by sehe
@Griwes room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Things are bad and generally disappointments. And then there's C++ [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
on uni there really isn't
@BartekBanachewicz Don't fool yourself. Even if you're very successful, you'll still realize you were being roundabout along the way. /Cue Edison
09:54
I've tried multiple times to resist the nonsense there and it just cost me 2 more years of studying
@sehe oh well, yeah, that's always a possibility
Resisting is exhausting. You have to look for the opportunities, you can't change the world to your liking.
> you can't change the world to your liking.
pff sure I can
or at least force it my way when I need to
I liked studying. Well, I at least liked the environment.
I've wasted ENORMOUS amounts of time. But thinking of it that way would just lead to (more) depression. I had fun doing many of those things. That's a strangely human reprieve
@BartekBanachewicz Good luck
@sehe Yeah I mean it's not that I'm now despairing because I went to school. I just look back at it and think "well I could've done different/better" but that's about it.
09:56
@Morwenn Yeah. It's not hard to find recognition with your peers. It doesn't lead to "study credits" but who cares :)
Constructive retrospection.
@BartekBanachewicz Good.
> constructive
> wasted
pick one
wasted constructive material
@sehe learning from mistakes implies a mistake was made
Condemnation doesn't fix a mistake
Anyone else going to watch?
It's mildly interesting repeat footage mostly now, but the schedule kicks in soon
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09:59
@R.MartinhoFernandes going to karneval?
@nwp Nah, I'm leaving to Prague tomorrow.
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oh, well, that is nice too. Drink some kozel for me.
I'm not a big fan anyway. I'm too old for loud crowded streets.
It tends to flare up my tinnitus.
10:26
@wilx are you the only other actual regular that is going to the unconference? :/
@R.MartinhoFernandes Griwes, Vendethiel, Xeo, milleniumbug, Pirate, Andy Prowl maybe.
Those seem to be discussing in the Discord channel.
SBM
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@wilx Discord channel?
@SBM Some people split and created an offshoot Lounge on Discord.
Commie traitors.
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@wilx Oh, why? Isn't this a good place?
10:54
@SBM Dunno. Ask them.
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Leave it. Hope you all had a good day
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@SBM Not allowed to post porn.
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Not even too far off the mark
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@nwp I don't what porn is but still that sounds rude.
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