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00:08
Thats easy, just have notepad++ update
https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/notepad-7.3.3-fix-cia-hacking-issue.html
@jaggedSpire y not discord tho
(inb4 me)
@Borgleader <3 never you
@jaggedSpire <3
It took about a week before Bill decided to upgrade notepad++ to the new version.  When he did, he was fed a backdoored version that gave me a Meterpreter shell on his computer.  I immediately emailed him a few screen shots and a keystroke log, and he unplugged his computer a few minutes later.
00:22
@Borgleader doggo
user1804599
This is great.
@jaggedSpire awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
i wanna chill with this doggo
it is a pretty chill doggo
@jaggedSpire i love the really derpy one in the middle xD
00:38
> is this his condi dash D/P venoms build?
@RudiantoPrasetya top minds hard at work figuring out the new builds
01:03
@Xeo Why is an anime using an old scottish song as the intro music for the first episode? Sure, it sounds good and they get bonus points for research, but singing in English with a thick Japanese accent never sounds right.
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01:15
@Mysticial have you tried AOCC yet?
@LucDanton uhhh
ah ben si relié c’est complètement différent de rallié alors ça va
@LucDanton Deleted?
Fun bug either way
01:45
@RudiantoPrasetya alternative (warning: loud memes)
I forgot how much of a bitch cutting raw sweet potato is, no wonder I haven’t been cooking with for a while ;_;
@LucDanton holy shit
funny thing is that bugged Locust Swarm (Dagger 4) projectiles, which is part of the interaction going on here, have happened before
they must be doing something really dodgy when it comes to transferring conditions via projectiles
dang I forgot the vegetable broth :(
I’ll substitute with stock
02:44
Gold mine.
@LucDanton it's 4 am what are you doing
no bycerstalking
Visual Studio de Martel lement lentement ?
Somebody should register a novelty twitter account with the username VisualStudios
@jaggedSpire a full recipe was way more than I expected, thanks! I was a bit scarce on the supplemental ingredients (onion + tomato puree + chicken stock + tons of spices) but I liked the result all the same. I like the flexible aspect though, I’ll definitively try different things again
03:05
I am having instant noodles .. cooked with frozen peeled shrimps, cooked meat, fresh green veges & bean sprout
@LucDanton Excellent to hear! :)
healthy meal under 10 minutes
> La Cnil condamne Facebook à l'amende maximale pour son utilisation des données personnelles
@RudiantoPrasetya devine combien !
> Cette sanction pécuniaire est la plus élevée possible.
150k eur, le plafond IIRC
soit peut être 2 secondes d'exercice annuel pour FB
m'en parle pas ça me déprime
Is newfound really one word?
03:12
le truc qui faisait rêver la dernière fois qu’ils ont fait ça pour Microsoft c’était l’idée de l’amende par jour au-delà d’un délai
btw j'en reviens pas des gens dans mon entourage qui font les énervés quand je leur dis que je bosse en finance mais dont le rêve c'est bosser pour FB
@LucDanton mieux mais tjs risible
c’est juste un rêve :(
@RudiantoPrasetya moui le blanchiment de données ça en jette moins tu sais
trouve des potes qui rêvent de bosser dans le pétrochimique
j'en connais, figure toi qu'en Indonésie les plus gros employeurs en informatique c'est Total et Pertamina (l'équivalent local)
du coup les jeunes diplômés Indonésiens leur rêve c'est de bosser en pétrochimie
véridique mais vrai
ah c’est comme ça que tu arrives à dormir en fait
ah ben finalement ce que je fais c'est pas si pire, comme dirait mon prof de c++
03:25
@RudiantoPrasetya j’hésitais à te demander mais jsais pas si c’est le bon endroit pour
I totally dislike this build once, test on all devices thing ...
at least ios has less than 10 types of devices sizes, android has ... 10 times more to say the least ...
03:44
My car insurance website is retarded, it only allows you to re-active your membership by email. So if you are no longer able to access that email address of yours, you are screwed.
I would have thought, like most big companies, they would allow re-activation by mobile, but they don't
@LucDanton tu peux tjs me MP sur redditte
04:05
What is wrong with this code? coderpad.io/MGGKWXGC
it should be simple for anyone familiar with c++
Are you asking us to help you as the interview is progressing?
this is not an interview
i use coderpad as an online ide
Hello, hi, yes, this isn't C++ support. Please go to this chatroom
04:08
Can we burn this as spam for some online service? Needing to register is a show stopper, and makes me loose all sympathy for you and humanity.
This is more like a support group for people who've developed PTSD after using C++
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don't see the harm in asking someone who knows c++ to spend literally 5 secs of their time to help someone more familiar in other languages
I'M NOT FUCKING REGISTERING JUST TO DEBUG YOUR CODE
you don't register.. just put any bogus name
Honestly, if this was an actual job interview I would have agreed to help for the lulz
04:11
it's not a job interview, you can write whatever you want and i won't mind
Also you're missing a main(), you need a certain kind of help that I can't provide. As can be found after a cursory Google search.
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@dukevin at least use something that doesn't need registration
it doesn't need registration
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oh wait
my bad
@dukevin An easier solution to entering a name is to simply use inspection and delete the overlay element. And it reveals some pretty poor code. Firstly, don't use online IDEs, they'll sell your personal info and all the practice problems are generally made poorly. Secondly, why are you using pointers with RAII?
04:15
I'm just brushing up after too much javascript, so I forgot about a lot of things, including main and pointers
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@Mikhail are you familiar with MRI scans?
anyways, my real question i was trying to figure out myself is..
@Telkitty yes, but only in the sense of how to build and process the data.
will for (Player &p : players) actually edit the player in the array
@Mikhail what can be seen on MRI scans that's hard to see on ultrasound and x-ray
04:19
@Telkitty One thing is that MRI can use contrast enhancement agents. So for the brain, you can quickly see hemorages.
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@dukevin yes
thanks!
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because it's a reference
was someone trying to make a tic-tac-toe board haha
xrays are only useful for bones
Ultra sound is weird, basically whenever people can't do a MRI they do ultra sound. For example, your doctor might not have an MRI in the room, when they are inspecting a pregnant woman. A guy I work with uses it on a farm with his cows.
04:37
@RudiantoPrasetya omg you’re so transparent
I have knee problem, neither x-ray or ultrasound found anything
should I try MRI?
I am trying physiotherapist first
which I already did a few years ago
probably just jogger's knee problem
05:02
@LucDanton pls don't confuse me further
blatantly fishing for more online IDs
@Feeds Sounds like the ML guys on my team.
@RudiantoPrasetya joking aside it’s not that important, just idle chatter so dw about it (btw you sure got called out in the reply)
je suis pas venu ici pour souffrir okay ?
also sure, np, you're always welcome on discord I guess :noel:
> jcoffin 3 points 2 months ago
CamelCasingIsCurableWithEarlyDetection
lol @JerryCoffin
05:20
:)
@RudiantoPrasetya C++. Not suffer. Choose one.
 
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06:41
I have this known bug in an app, I always thought it's my fault - it turns out, it's a bug in some 3rd party library
07:31
@Telkitty If the knee is in your gut, MRI won't help.
08:00
Do you remember earlier, I talked about Chrome and Selenium and Java 8 update woes?
Well, I have broken lots of people's builds and tests. :)
As expected.
08:11
hi, how is everyone?
@dukevin Don't do this. OK?
Xeo
Xeo
@Aaron3468 Dunno, for the feel it has? There was another anime (Gunslinger Girl) that had a rendition of Scarborough Fair as the actual opening.
@Mysticial okay, I'm awake, where's your status report?
08:54
hi guys
there's an algorithm I'm debugging
the code does work
but the results are not what I'm expecting and I can't spot the error I made in my implementation
can I ask in stack overflow for help?
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@user8469759 Codereview only accepts working code. Code that doesn't do what you expect doesn't count as working, stackoverflow would be the right site. A short example massively increases your chances of a useful answer.
@user8469759 This means the code does not work.
09:10
@nwp bzzt
@user8469759 If the results are not what you're expecting, in what way does the code "work"?
int main() {} works!
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Help, I'm getting conditioned by lrio!
@nwp Just remap your comma key to semicolon :D
@BoundaryImposition it does compile and it does run, I don't have compilation error.
so again, where shall I ask
@user8469759 Stack Overflow.
09:20
Last time I did that my question has been strongly downvoted
and therefore I had to delete the question
Solving problems => Stack Overflow. Getting feedback on already solved problems => Code Review.
is there a specific way I should ask such a question?
@user8469759 See link @nwp mentioned in an earlier message to you
That said, if in the end your question ends up amounting to asking to debug the code for you, you're likely to meet downvotes anyway.
09:25
@R.MartinhoFernandes what do you mean by debugging in this context?
Debugging. I'm not sure what else it could mean.
because, again, my code runs
it doesn't need any kind of code debugging to spot a memory leak
it does however need to be checked against the thoeritical algorithm
so I'm the one who doesn't understand what do you mean by debugging in this case
@user8469759 See what debugging means
@user8469759 Er. Yes, it might. How can you know if you don't know where the memory leak is?
@user8469759 Finding a bug.
sorry but if my code hadn't any bug I wouldn't be asking here...
logic bug in this cas
case*
09:31
@user8469759 Then ask it better!
@user8469759 Debug it to find out how it is running. What the values are of your variables at various points of execution.
@user8469759 Right, it does have a bug, so you need to debug it. (hence the name)
09:48
So because it does have a bug and I'd like people here to help me out in the debugging I shouldn't ask, right?
It's about the way you ask.
for my instance of the problem
how should I ask?
If it comes out as "help me out in the debugging" it is likely to be received different from "find the bug and tell me".
Although politeness is important, and I fully agree, I don't think that's the main problem...
(Yes, @BoundaryImposition, I know about adverbs)
09:51
I have been making ios apps for ages, I still have no idea what devices use ios
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@user8469759 Nobody said you shouldn't ask, and you've been plenty polite. But I'm not sure what you expect us to do.
other than iPad air and iPad pro, are there any other iPads?
You should also realise that we are not under any obligation to provide free assistance.
Currently I'm trying to enjoy my first coffee of the day and ease into my work
@user8469759 Sorry, the distinction I'm trying to draw isn't about politeness. It's about the amount of work that is required of the answerer. SO tends to react poorly when answering requires doing all the work.
Assistance is one thing, another thing is having a question closed because apparently is off topic
while I'm understanding that actually it wouldn't be off topic
09:52
We've tried to help you get started by giving you advice to use a debugger. That also explains why you got downvoted before (not debugging first), which is more helpful advice.
by discussing with you
Did you read the off-topic closure reason?
@user8469759 Note that I'm also not saying you want someone to do all the work for you! I'm just warning you that if your question comes off like that, you'll probably get more downvotes, so you should be mindful of that when writing it.
If i want to compare and prove that a 4 thread ThreadPool can complete a task ( that can split into 4 smaller tasks ) is faster when run in sequence what kind of code should i look into. I had one where it was generating random list of integers and comparing for duplicates ( birthday paradox problem) , and the 4 thread is always too slow. Had help from the forum , turns out the checking for duplicate code (which accesses memory) was trashing the cachelines , making it much slower.
we should have a bot called 'debugger' on this chat
09:54
@Telkitty bugger that
@spakai As you've discovered, the results will depend on what you're trying to do. So test it with your actual use case. That's the only useful approach.
we can use newbies to substitute turing testings
@Telkitty I'm still not entirely convinced you're not a bot
@BoundaryImposition enjoy your coffee
09:55
Fuck me, it's sauna season again.
thanks!
@R.MartinhoFernandes correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation
@user8469759 When asking your question, first introduce what output you expect, then introduce what is going wrong, then introduce what you have tried or learned while debugging the problem. Finally, ask for help directly and politely thank anybody in advance for their help. Good grammar, clear formatting, and proper title+tags do wonders. If your code is long, break it into a simpler example of the error.
@BoundaryImposition omg, you are so clever. I have multiple personalities and one of them is a bot
@Aaron3468 no, don't write thanks in advance
that's incredibly irritating and not at all useful
@BoundaryImposition It's 24 degrees outside, which means I'll be sweating unless I walk around naked.
09:56
I will remove it in an edit
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@user8469759 That request doesn't make a good question no matter how you phrase it. You should instead find a source of correct results (reference implementation or another algorithm that gives the same result) and compare.
@Aaron3468 SO is quite unwelcoming to TIA-style fluff.
@R.MartinhoFernandes whoosh
It's a division algorithm, and I would give the reference for that specific algorithm, C/C++ code and a test case
@R.MartinhoFernandes PLEASE SELECT * FROM `tblEntries` WHERE `description` LIKE "%megalols%" THANK YOU
09:58
I don't really think there's much is should provide for saying "it's not correct..."
@BoundaryImposition Is that INTERSQAL?
@user8469759 "Correct" is in the eye of the beholder. Only you know what "correct" means to you. Maybe your expectation is wrong? We can't know if you just say "it doesn't work".
It's definitely an acquired taste. I usually get away with TIA, but that's probably because I put a lot of effort into asking properly.
You should say "I expected <X> because <Y> but got <Z>", and be prepared to hear that <X> is mistaken
@Aaron3468 Out of your three questions, only one has had TIA in it, and I have just removed it.
Thnx <3
10:00
@BoundaryImposition , that's the thing - i wrote a threadpool , and want to test the threadpool, don't actually have a use case. i've seen code where they loop like a lot of times and just divide a few floating numbers, so that's like CPU heavy but using less memory , as they don't store the results. But yeah it's not a real life problem or use case.
@spakai Er, from your original description, it seems like you're trying to test the code that will be running with the threadpool, which is not at all the same as testing the threadpool.
@spakai If you don't have a use case then you have nothing to test. Go do something else instead
I'll be the first to advocate coding to abstractions rather than implementation details, but when you're benchmarking this kind of thing, I'm told it really is about specific hardware and code
I mean obviously you can make some more general measurements
if you're locking too tight or too many times then you can likely figure that out and fix it
but then that wouldn't differ depending on what the threaded "code" does, so you've probably already passed that stage
dunno, Robot am I getting any of this right?
Right. I think you'd want to compare code using the threadpool to the "same" code without it.
The way it was presented at first, it tells you very little about the threadpool itself since you have no idea how the single-threaded code compares to the multi-threaded code.
mmm hadn't even thought of that
so many SNMP notifications are being dispatched in a throttled fashion now, and my support team seems to think the volume of notifications we're sending is nominal (wtf). now I need to improve the efficiency of notification generation (woah too many std::string) and let support deal with the rest :D
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I watched some critical role and now I want to play some D&D/pathfinder too.
I have no experience, no time and am somewhat socially awkward. What could possibly go wrong?
10:11
a std::string-like type that undynamically gives me say 20 bytes would be nice
hell I may end up just storing thin wrappers around char[20] lol
one of those rare occasions that I have to give up C++'s pleasantries
@nwp My favourite is taking a look at some of the diy gaming table builds and suddenly being tempted to sink $500 on making one... when you only play the games once every few years. It's pretty cool to see the ones with embedded screens instead of gameboards though.
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@BoundaryImposition it probably gives you 16 already
@BoundaryImposition It's basic statistics: you always want to remove as many confounding factors as possible. In this case the difference could be explained with the cache access patterns of the code, which is a factor external to the threadpool.
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@Aaron3468 I did think about making a program that keeps track of character positions, stats and rolls. Too much time is wasted on "Make an investigation check! What do I add to that again?"
@BoundaryImposition Make a pretty wrapper and you won't be giving up the pleasantries next time you need it.
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10:16
it probably already exists somewhere
@spakai So, I'd grab some existing multi-threaded code and modify it to use your threadpool. Then compare the original to the modified one. Repeat with different pieces of code, especially if they exhibit different structure in the way they use threads.
it doesn't help that snmp_add_var accepts a const char* no matter the target "type", then unserialises inside
@nwp Yeah, definitely lots of rote simulation. Personally I like the approach some DMs take where they fudge an occasional roll for a bit of drama or to save your character in a pinch. I know there's a few D&D oriented tools for online DMing.
so I'm lexcasting then unlexcasting lol
also it takes trap name behind a const char* and looks it up in the MIB, converting to a number. but I can tell it what the OID is. so this is pointless too
Fudging rolls is best when the DM knows how to tell a descriptive story imo.
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10:19
Maybe that would remove some of the excitement. It probably feels more involved when you roll the dice instead of someone else.
@nwp Sounds like me and my entire gaming group when we started! Do it.
wow I just came up with a use case for a constexpr map of string literal to string literal. meh guess I'll be defining a bunch of macros
@nwp yeah, a simple program where the DM can choose the type of check and who is doing it, just to have the bonus on screen. Then you can say "Hey Fred, I need an initiative roll. You have +5 right now"
@nwp For some players rolling this stuff is part of what makes it enjoyable for them, so I'd be wary of moving this into software entirely. You can reduce the time wasted looking up stuff by optimizing character sheets to give prominence to the modifiers for common rolls like these.
@nwp Also, you may want to do "investigation"-style rolls hidden. If a player rolls low they know the answer "you find nothing" means nothing.
@BoundaryImposition string_view? Or do you need ownership?
@R.MartinhoFernandes ownership would be better. actually I can move in a few places. would be best to avoid entirely tho
10:31
@BoundaryImposition @R.MartinhoFernandes thanks.
What is the joke that is explaining since 1998 ?
@ClementCuvillier Are you asking us to explain the joke?
@ClementCuvillier The tomato said 'ketchup' which sound like 'catch up'
10:49
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Support group for people who've developed PTSD after using C++ [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++17] [c++-faq]
Support group for people who've developed C++ after experiencing PTSD
11:11
↑ that's more accurate
@RudiantoPrasetya :D
^ C++ needs language support for that
(no, not monads)
@Abyx wtaf
hmm how do I merge two sets of output side-by-side in Bash? I have cmd a and cmd b, both resulting in the same number of lines (assume one "word" per line). I want two words per line.
11:27
@BoundaryImposition wha?
I'm sure I saw a trick to do this lately
Lyanna Stark was a princess and kind of a celebrity in north and Westerors. Mormont is a smaller house as compared to Starks. People do name their kids after celebrities isn't it. — HBhatia 3 hours ago
nice variant on "innit"
@sehe how long does compiling what you are currently working on take?
11:40
ok never mind that Bash question
if I have a line A::b c how can I use awk or sed or w/e to make that namespace A { const char* B = "c"; } instead? :)
and why aren't I using python
fml
@Abyx thanks for your help
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@BoundaryImposition spend a month to write a clang tool
@BoundaryImposition cheers, hth
just use C++, dammit
11:41
@Abyx you were only off ignore for 10 hours lol. congrats new record
@BoundaryImposition why so angry?
@Telkitty C#
that too, java doesn't have :: operator, what a shame
hmm got it but it's very ugly
for name in `snmptranslate -m ALL -TB '^myOidPrefix' -OQ -Ln`; do echo $name `snmptranslate -m ALL -On -OT -Ln $name`; done | sort | sed 's/::/ /' | awk '{ print "namespace " $1 "{ const char* " $2 "=\"" $3 "\"; }" }'
megalols
@BoundaryImposition I wanna flag that
it's NSFL
@BoundaryImposition Oh no
11:46
it works! ^_^
LOL at flag
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if I make a D&D tracker program it must work with bluetooth dice which apparently actually exist
the next best thing is IoT dice
Does anyone know why the values of const variables can be changed externally? Like, with Cheat Engine... which I tried just now.
I would like to know.

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