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12:01
Honestly you don't need that much tools around you. If you need anything it's a belt for holding tools
best thing to hold tools is the Lounge
And a good storage so your tools have a place to go when you're not working with them
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix just my socket set weighs around 3kg
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix which means running from under the car to the place where I store them
which is a pain
I want to be able to drag the whole thing to where I'm working so that I have everything readily available
@BartekBanachewicz my point is... do you need the whole set while working?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix well, yes?
same with spanners
and bits
and chemistry
12:04
you need all the sizes?
yeah?
I mean sure I rarely use 34mm or 8mm but it's just more convenient to have the whole set at hand
you don't check in advance which ones you'll need?
sometimes it's hard to tell
so you need to try a few
so I typically end up surrounded with a circle of tools scattered around
I try to keep it tidy but if I have to get up to put everything back it's just not worth the effort
if I had a nice rolling platform to put everything back that I could drag around it would make my life so much easier
found that one on the web as well, supposedly a motorcycle-specific one
I don't need that kind of "openness" if you will. I just need a platform to store stuff on
well I'd probably put the spanners out because my holder isn't very convenient
I once had to melt a pen with a lighter and then stick it to the bolt to cool down. Custom tool for the job. Voila!
actually if I had some old lightweight furniture that could serve as a base that would be great
12:10
@Horttanainen I once had to make screwdriver out of a nail with an axe.
and I've just thrown one like that away
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix nice one :D
@BartekBanachewicz like a deskchair base?
that'S what you need
12:29
This is pure genius. http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/Mnynyna https://t.co/AHy5BOs4cb
@ratchetfreak more like an old cupboard
No that is crap
@Abyx if you're drinking straight from the bottle you may as well drink straight from the bottle
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12:50
@Abyx The thumbnail looks like an overheated ballsack
Cannot unsee
@Rerito turn it around and it will be heart shaped
But thinking about it, the heart shaped drawing is defenitely not looking like an actual heart. So you might be right. That might defenitely look like a butt or ballsack but that's Romanticism...
13:29
so who has played factorio 0.15 already?
Xeo
Xeo
a bit
I've heard that there were a looot of changes to science and stuff
Xeo
Xeo
not far enough to touch nuclear tho
ye
I guess I'll have to schedule all pc-based stuff for winter
now that the weather is so great I couldn't spend any more time in front of the PC
@BartekBanachewicz also a new optional set of recipes
which makes things super expensive
4 belts of iron is not enough for late game science alone
and it screws up all the ratios
13:40
I wish we already invented an AI capable of migrating databases
@BartekBanachewicz not sure if planned this but a furnace would be cool
@LucDanton In trying to write it down I've realized that I just tossed on an amount of spice that I mentally labelled as "enough." I'm trying to estimate, just be aware you might want to taste while cooking and adjust accordingly
@jaggedSpire that's nice
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I quite agree :)
@jaggedSpire isn't that usually the case with spices?
@jaggedSpire I'm expecting pictures of the result if you actually did it
13:50
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix good heavens no, I've not done woodworking in years. I just really enjoy watching people woodwork.
I enjoyed watching Mathias Wandel
@ratchetfreak yep, but I suspect these are more rough than usual, since I'm estimating off my mental images of the process more than a week after the fact
14:02
@LucDanton A recipe version of my experiment, as far as I can recall. This is the alpha version, so use caution. Might want to keep in mind that a touch of sugar counters tomato acidity as well. I've not done anything with the regular potatoes yet. :)
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@EtiennedeMartel what leak?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Trump told confidential stuff to a Russian ambassador.
@EtiennedeMartel If the president declassify something can it be really considered a leak? He's in his right as far as I know.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Technically but he didn't tell anyone about it beforehand. He just dumped it, right in the meeting, to impress the ambassador.
@EtiennedeMartel As far as I know, he doesn't have to tell anyone... he's kind of on the top of the chain of command.
14:21
That intelligence had been shared with the US for them only and Trump blew it. Now US allies consider not sharing intel anymore because it's too dangerous.
I'm not saying it's "right" nor do I care. Just calling it a leak while he's the president is playing with words
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Yes and no. Yes, he could declassify it, and then tell it to them. He's still supposed to follow that sequence though--declassify first, and only then reveal it.
@EtiennedeMartel This is garbage. He's 9, not 7.
@JerryCoffin though sharing classified information isn't required to be declassified as far as logic goes
14:24
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix and basic diplomacy, don't reveal another country's secrets
Trump damaged an intelligence source just to show off.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix If there's any logic in that sentence, I'm unable to follow it--I've no idea what you're trying to say.
And anyway, people are not arguing about whether or not what he did is illegal. But it certainly is irresponsible at best and highly dangerous at worst.
nwp
nwp
what is the difference between dangerousness and danger?
@JerryCoffin declassifying a document would mean that the document/information is available to lower level of access. Thought some content could be shared but still be classified
it's like having top secret document but being unable to transmit the information to anyone
what's the point
14:26
you can share classified intel to people with the same access
but you still want to have it top secret and send the information
or people who "need to know"
@ratchetfreak I guess Trump decided that
though that usually includes telling them that it's classified
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Making decisions based on it.
Preventing others from making decisions based on it.
14:28
@ratchetfreak Usually when it's classified isn't it written on it in big letters?
There's plenty of reason to be the sole bearer of important information.
@EtiennedeMartel why do you care?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix hard to do in a verbal exchange though
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Because the president of my country's biggest ally just did something really dumb in a long list of really dumb things.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Because the US and Canada are neighbors and allies, currently working together on the same side of a conflict for which the information was relevant?
14:32
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Some can still be shared, but are marked as to whom they can be shared with, so (for example) a document might be open to sharing (only) with other members of NATO.
@R.MartinhoFernandes people should start talking with each others to stop the conflict instead of keeping secrets and having more people to die for secrets
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Talking with whom?
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's not like Russia is at war with the US
@EtiennedeMartel I understand that, but tell me what's worse... making deals with Al-Quaeda or sharing classified information to improve relation with Russia ?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix How is that relevant?
"It could be worse, therefore it's fine."
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix That's also very grey.
The US and Russia have conflicting goals in the conflict.
It just amazes me when something is related to the Russian people scream out loud... but when the US makes deals with terrorists it's business as usual
14:38
Though they might not be openly at war, but they are, even if indirectly, working against each other.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Remind me when it was they revealed where their intel sources were to terrorists.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix The US hasn't (officially) been at war with anybody since 1945. We've been...at odds with Russia for decades though, and certainly what Russia's been doing recently doesn't fit at all with America's goals or ideals.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah so what shut up about it ? and keep on going with their conflicting goals... That's not diplomacy
@R.MartinhoFernandes Doesn't seem very indirect to me.
@JerryCoffin not declaring war doesn'T mean you're not at war. You forgot the korean war and the vietnamese war
iraq also... and so on
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix How is revealing where your spies are helpful?
14:41
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix As far as I'm concerned the issue here isn't that the intel was leaked to Russia, but that it was leaked to begin with. You're making this about Russia.
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not making it about Russia.
They're not allies.
the news is
@R.MartinhoFernandes They're not enemies
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Again, grey line. They have conflicting goals.
They are both acting on those conflicting goals.
14:42
@R.MartinhoFernandes discussing is the first step to find compromise
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix How is revealing where your spies live helpful?
@R.MartinhoFernandes so they don't get accidentaly bombed for example?
Or so they get "accidentally" bombed.
Let's not forget that Trump did it to look cool because he's an attention seeking manchild and not because he felt like this would improve relations between the two countries.
I have to leave.
14:44
@R.MartinhoFernandes this way you know if you can trust or not the information you give
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix lolwut?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean, it's like leaving a kid in an empty room with candies. Come back if he ate them without asking for permission or waited for your return.
Also, how do you think the source will be willing to cooperate like this?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Yes, but if the kid eats them, you're left without candies.
If I was a source I sure as hell wouldn't want to give it to the US.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix what you seem to be missing here is that you want to keep the candies.
14:47
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can have more candies. But if the kid didn't eat them, then you'll know how to treat it.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Spies aren't like candy.
@R.MartinhoFernandes He couldn't share an intel on all the assets
What is up with these asinine metaphors.
We're talking about actual human lives here.
This is like when right-wing politicians try to make us believe that a state's budget is just like a family's. This gross oversimplification is, well, gross.
@EtiennedeMartel they call them assets not humans
unfortunately that's the job
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Apparently, this one candy was so important that they didn't even leave their friends in the room.
@EtiennedeMartel Even if you ignore that. You lose the intel when the source refuses to cooperate with someone that will tell everyone about them.
14:51
@R.MartinhoFernandes to be honest, if the news weren't reporting that Trump shared some information who would know about it? It's not like Russian newspaper then reported a news about that?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'm not forgetting anything of the sort. Perhaps you missed the "(officially)" in there?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix How does that matter? Trump still betrayed the request of the source, and was careless enough to do it in a way that became public.
If anything, it makes him look even worse.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well to my understanding if only Trump and the Russian were in the room, and not Trump or the Russian talked about it... How did the private conversation ended up in the public... I'd be more worried about it
If I had a private conversation Id want to keep it private
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix THAT is what everyone is worried about.
why it ended up in the news is a wonder
the leak technically isn't from Trump but from the official that said Trump leaked something
14:55
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix That Trump did this in such a reckless manner. You're assuming only Trump and the Russian were in the room, for some reason.
the news made it sound as such, US news weren'T permitted in, but I assume some official could have been there too
thought, we didn't see any picture with anyone else
well I didn'T
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Because the actual meeting wasn't with the press.
(And FWIW, he only allowed Russian press, for some reason)
Right, there's also the potential Russian collusion thing that doesn't help.
@EtiennedeMartel collusion or not, you'd better be friend with the Russian. Or at least make it look that way for them
14:59
don't know why we can't all just be friends ffs
all this bickering
it's exhausting
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'm pretty sure that can be done without jeopardizing important intel sources.
Especially if you're the guy who wrote The Art of the Deal.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Huh, he didn't write it. That was ghostwritten.
@BoundaryImposition I hope that was sarcasm you naive little girl
@R.MartinhoFernandes how do you know they are so important?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix it's what the article says.
15:03
Let's just interview the sources and asked them how being kept secret is so important
@R.MartinhoFernandes obviously the article will tell you they are... if not what's the point to tell Trump leaked irrelevant classified informations
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix so now you're just picking whichever bits of it fit your narrative.
You might as well say the meeting never happened.
What are your grounds to accept the part that he did leak it as factual, but the part that the source was important as false?
15:06
You gotta love the Artificial Intelligence questions.
@wilx And also clearly wrong, only God determines whether you are male or female.
@RudiantoPrasetya Exactly, and if you're born with both genitals, it's the homosexuals' fault
Because on the grand scale, everything is the homosexuals' fault
It's the fault of instant noodles & smartphone radiations, actually.
@EtiennedeMartel I know. Twas clearly snark.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Clearly.
@Columbo Technically it's the women's, it says so in the Bible.
15:08
@R.MartinhoFernandes If those sources were so important and leaked, I'd say we'd hear about how Trump jeopardized a mission or anything... But not how Trump was careless.
Also in that Greek story about that box.
Humans like to blame women a lot for some reason.
@EtiennedeMartel Wasn't there a speaking snake, too? Such wondrous stories!
@EtiennedeMartel Is it because they're the source of a lot of problems
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix lolwut
I see that in Russia, Trump can do no wrong...?
15:11
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix we're hearing about how Trump jeopardized any number of possible future missions that could have benefitted from this source.
@EtiennedeMartel Russian couldn't care less what trump do wrong.
when did this become Lounge<politics>?
It's always been.
fair enough
All issues are political issues. "Apolitical" just means "politics you agree with".
15:14
C++ has always been more politics than software development
that's probably why it's so shit
@BoundaryImposition I thought it was about religion
arguing with thicc people on reddit, bad idea
Religion is the pretext, not the reason. It's always politics.
and hate of women
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I would caution against this interpretation, the Russians don't care about trump personally, only that the US is not united and functional
15:17
@Mgetz let me look outside my window and tell you : "Yeah... Russian really have other things to care about"
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I didn't realize you lived in russia
I can't believe how much the US goes on about Russia lately
it's like when the yoyo craze happened, or fidget spinners now
just stahhhhp!
Trump is the least important thing for most of them... A lot don't want to be implicated in Syria but sees it one of the last ally close to its border and kind of reluctantly agree that Russian force are there but at the same time would want soldiers home instead.
list of people who care about the US:
@BoundaryImposition It's like the Cold War never ended.
15:20
@BoundaryImposition I found my old golden coca-cola yoyo when going through my old stuff on Mothers Day. I simply cannot stahp
@EtiennedeMartel never did. When I hear my father, it makes sounds like I live in Somalia
@RudiantoPrasetya :D
@EtiennedeMartel You know what sucks... It's when I invite my parents over here and my father doesn't want to visit us, my wife and my little girl. Because the Canadian government simply reject visas for my wife because they think she's not going back to Russia after the end of her visa.
what does your wife's visa rejections have to do with your parents not wanting to visit?
are they afraid that the government has uncovered her as some sort of spy?
@BoundaryImposition They're afraid to travel to Russia. I won't go to Canada without my wife.
15:27
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix lol, I am not surprised.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I am not surprised either.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix what are they afraid of?
@BoundaryImposition Russia, Putin, KGB whatever
oh dear
propaganda is really something, innit
sad
@BoundaryImposition Dude, Russia is a real hellhole.
The government is afraid that she's a online bride wife or something
15:28
@wilx not you too
@wilx Then I live in hell for 7 years and doing fine. Guys hell isn't that bad. You can even enjoy it.
bzzt! the train to logic, sanity and independent thought is now leaving from platform 3! bzzt!
By most accounts the economy in Russia is terrible.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I kinda get the visa part, depending on circumstances I guess. the missing link is that your parents are afraid of visiting Russia, independent of that being your only recourse left for a family reunion. my commiserations
@EtiennedeMartel TIL terrible economy = hell
15:30
@EtiennedeMartel it's fine... It was bad in 1991
the economy in Russia is strong and stable, relatively speaking
you want a bad economy, go to Zimbabwe
I don't understand why so many people hate Russia tbh, probably media propaganda.
or Syria, I'd guess
Most people that says that the Russian economy is bad don't realize that the inflation this year was like 5% and in 1991 it was around 1000%
cos ravaging war doesn't help
15:31
inflation itself isn't enough a measure of economy health
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix almost 6% in the USA in 2008
is that even english
but no Putin is evil, Russia is a "hellhole" and the economy is tanking. lmao
@RudiantoPrasetya Didn't say that.
My bad it wasn't 1000% inflation but something closer to 2500%
15:32
@BoundaryImposition Strong and stable, heh.
Russia has some social problems, like every nation (and no more so than the USA) but it's constantly painted as some vicious overbearing animal. Again, especially compared to some of our "favourite" Western nations, it really isn't. But then the West is "the good guys" right so we're fine yeah ok
@EtiennedeMartel Many Americans can't buy new shoes.
also read the top comment for meaningful context
@BoundaryImposition Not saying the US is a decent please to live.
just another article doing everything it can to spread anti-Russian propaganda
probably not even deliberately!
oh btw did you hear Timeless got renewed :D
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Enjoy your enclave.
@EtiennedeMartel As a counter example, I have 20mbit unlimited download on mobile available almost anywhere in the country for 20CAD per month.
15:37
Yeah, yeah, Internet access sucks ball in North America.
which, ironically I grant you, would be illegal in Russia
(not sure whether that's actually true but that's what I hear)
phillipe filop
@BoundaryImposition what would be illegal?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix The Gays.
@BoundaryImposition well about that, I'd say they're as close minded as the canadian were 30-40 years ago
15:40
@EtiennedeMartel Not just economy. Life expectancy. HIV prevalence. Freedoms. Etc.
it amuses me how so many westerners treat personal "freedoms" as some absolute god-given right
the age of individualism continues
just because your culture is different from another culture doesn't make yours inherently "better" y'know
you.. you.. culturist
For the gays in Russia it's more... people don't want to know about what you do at home.
I don't really want to know what any of you do at home tbh
@BoundaryImposition But it s better. Instantly.
e.g. a higher life expectancy you propose as better without even pretending to wonder why that should be so
15:42
Unfortunately, I heard some people could get away with some crime saying the person was gay... thought not anymore.
in fact higher life expectancy causes massive problems for society, as we're seeing all over the developed world right now
only selfish people would not even pretend to consider the bigger picture in that regard
@BoundaryImposition OK. Kill yourself right now, for the greater good and the big picture.
He walked right into that one
15:43
@BoundaryImposition soylent green anyone?
although I should have predicted that wilx would make a total non sequitur out of the situation
@BoundaryImposition brb
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix soylent green is loungers
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Q: C++ Weird when executing

HolycrabbeI'm for the first time playing around with a bigger header file of 2000 lines, all the functions work just fine independently (I have checked multiple times) But when I now include this header file in main and try to use some of the more complex things I have written (which refer to a lot of fun...

C++ weird when executing
ain't that the truth
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Q: Compression: New concept, Proven byte-by-byte, In final stage; Asking assistance or advice

onex4I am asking help here because I am in final stage of production of a new concept in compression. Each byte is verified that it will come out to original, based on complete analysis and compressed data. The concept is simple. I am using a XOR 'net' to simply make:   /1/0/1\ /0\1\1\0\ Each byte...

15:46
/cc @Mysticial proven byte-by-byte!!!
already CV'd that
> In June 2013 the national parliament (the State Duma) unanimously adopted, and President Vladimir Putin signed, a nationwide law banning distribution of materials promoting LGBT relationships among minors. The law does not explicitly mention the word "homosexuality", but instead uses the euphemism "non-traditional sexual relationships".
> Under the statute it is effectively illegal to perform any of the following in the presence of minors: hold gay pride events, speak in favor of gay rights, or say that gay relationships are equal to heterosexual relationships.
@Borgleader please clarify my doubt, abide by my concept
Well fuck that culture.
from your biased viewpoint, yes
what if we don't want to promote any sexual relationship to minors
now you're being, erm, gayist!
anyway you don't have to go there if you don't wanna
apparently it's a hell hole :)
15:49
let's write a compiler in C++!
@EtiennedeMartel They banned an OW comic iirc
(cuz Tracer is gay)
@BoundaryImposition You can be pretty sure I won't be going to Russia ever. Unless I get dragged into a gulag by Russian apparatchiks, which is not that unreal possibility.
Just be prepared to become bald before your 25ths...
can't comprehend why Westerners keep ranting about bans like that while being perfectly fine with their home nation banning polygamy. The double standard is astonishing
but then the west is certainly no stranger to hypocrisy!
15:51
Damn look at you moving those goalposts.
@nbro I was going to put a POC up here really quickly, but cba to remind myself how to use popen
@BoundaryImposition Respect regarding the hypocrisy statement
@EtiennedeMartel I haven't moved them one bit
I admit I'm making a different argument than I was before. Funny that, saying more than one thing per day. What a bastard I am!
Fortunately I don't live in Russia or I might not have had the freedom to do that :D
Real respect, you know, not hypocritical one
ofc
n u bro, nbro
15:53
@BoundaryImposition Well technically in Russia you do have a lot of freedom
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I was being sarcastic, which has surely never happened before
also I like how Google now has searches for Polygamy on my history. can't wait to see what ads they come up with for me now
Targeted ads are bad
@EtiennedeMartel that statement! People call themselves liberals, but they're not open to understand other cultures and expect other culture to be exactly like theirs
@wilx last I checked you can't just "go" to russia, your trip has to be approved by the foreign ministry after your hotel "invites" you to stay there
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix We're not talking about different tastes in clothes here. Russia actively makes some of its citizens less human on the basis of their lifestyle.
@EtiennedeMartel So being gay is a lifestyle choice now? :)
15:58
@EtiennedeMartel the law doesn't say anything against individuals. It's about preventing propaganda
Russian? I know a few words...
@wilx It certainly is a choice that affects your life. Maybe the "style" is unecessary here.
da da da
Wait
I suck
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It's not a choice.
Man I'm so bad at semantics.
@EtiennedeMartel lolololol
15:59
I'll blame the hunger.
nwp
nwp
@EtiennedeMartel no wonder you care about this issue so much

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