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5:02 PM
    names <- many $ do
        i <- identifier
        optional comma
        return i

    varargs <- isJust <$> optionMaybe (string "...")
@Ell so that's a version that works
I have to admit my understanding of it is a bit fuzzy, but it works and passes all my tests soo...
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz identifier <* optional comma pls.
Applicative or bust
 
@Xeo ok
eh I've realized my tests can't check table contents
since what I return is an opaque table ref
 
Xeo
@Mysticial I hope you also have SukaSuka in that download folder.
 
@Xeo Don't recognize that name. When was the first ep released?
 
Xeo
Long name is Shuumatsu somethingorother
 
5:16 PM
It's been almost 2 weeks since I did my "download ep1s for everything".
 
Xeo
It's a really long name
it's currently on ep3
 
@Borgleader
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Q: I have a programming final tomorrow and was wondering if anyone could help me understand some of the criteria my professor put in the study guide

S. MurphyCriteria: -In the Demo, create an array of the parent class -All the code in the Demo should be placed in the main method -No static methods as part of Demo class The only reason I have a little trouble understanding is because he was very vague and we haven't re...

Ahh... This, is one of the more common low-level template hacks that I do:
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A: Duplicate code using c++11

GibetSomething like that will do nicely: template<bool bonus = false> void MyFunction() { foo(); bar(); if (bonus) { doBonusStuff(); } foobar(); } Call it via: MyFunction<true>(); MyFunction<false>(); You can find some nice informations on that technique there. That is an "old" paper, bu...

Still waiting for sufficient C++17 support to make it "official".
 
Ell
5:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz eh I still don't like it
I don't like the isJust and optionMaybe
to me, these should be two different rules
 
@Ell but they belong together only.
Ellipsis in other contexts is interpreted in a different way
 
Ell
I mean
 
Ell
what are you storing the results in?
 
@Ell FunctionData { closure :: Closure, block :: AST.Block, paramNames :: [String], varargs :: Bool } and Lambda [Name] HasEllipsis Block
 
Ell
5:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I think instead of isJust you should use failure of the parser
 
@Ell why? What does it buy me?
 
Ell
it looks more like a grammar
which IMO makes it easier to read
 
I never aimed at making the parser "look like a grammar" actually
I always thought about it as a "nice to have" feature you incidentally get sometimes
but in the end, it's code, not a grammar
 
Ell
well, I'd write isPresent p = isJust <$> optionMaybe p
not point free because I forgot the precedences
then you have varargs <- isPresent (string "...") which IMO reads better
 
5:38 PM
@Mysticial lol!
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz can I see the whole function?
 
I can't keep track of deadlines to save my life... I nearly missed this final because it was scheduled an hour earlier than the class.
 
haven't pushed commited Xeo's improvement yet
I'm implementing eval atm actually
 
Ell
What are Xeo's improvements?
 
29 mins ago, by Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz identifier <* optional comma pls.
 
Ell
5:40 PM
Hey you ignored me when I told you to go applicative style :P
well, not ignore but y'know
 
well it changed since then
you suggested Applicative for the tuple IIRC
 
Xeo
APPLICATIVE EVERYWHERE
 
good evening gentlemen
 
> function f(arg, ...) print (arg[1], arg[2]) end
> f(1,2,3)
2       3
now this is super corner-case-ish :D (IOW don't do that come on dude wtf)
 
i've been doing online c++ tests to get in shape for some interviews.. and here are 2 gems that caught me off-guard. but i've come here to question the sanity of those questions
number one. i may know too little c++ yet but.. anyone else find this question strange?
 
Ell
5:43 PM
yeah it's a weird question
 
@iksemyonov it's weirdly phrased
 
my first thought was "stupid"
 
frankly it has nothing to do with C++ as it stands
 
@BartekBanachewicz you can't but agree that any class may have POD members and those can be accessed..
then, what does "access as objects" mean? what other sort of access there is?
 
@iksemyonov I think they mean more something like "How would you name a class that allows..."
 
nwp
5:44 PM
it's just plain wrong, primitive types are objects, they can be accessed as objects by definition
 
and in that case it'd be Wrapper I suppose
 
@BartekBanachewicz that can't have an objective answer hence has little meaning in a test
 
@nwp that too
 
Xeo
@nwp no int i; i.blah() :P
 
@iksemyonov hence weird/stupid/silly yep
 
5:45 PM
@nwp exactly my thoughts
 
@iksemyonov people writing those tests rarely understand the standard well enough to know what "object" really means in C++ though
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, ty for proving i'm not crazy yet :S
@BartekBanachewicz and what does object mean exactly?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz paramList = parens ((,) <$> identifier 'sepEndBy' comma <*> isPresent ellipsis)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why print the second and third arguments? And what about handling the case where only 0 arguments exist?
 
@Ell yeah I don't like how you apply the tuple ctor there
 
5:48 PM
@iksemyonov Very basic question. Not so practical either, but it's a good literacy question. I would rather phrasing it as "what type of class extends the functionality of a simpler class or primitive?"
 
@iksemyonov it makes no sense, IYAM
 
What was the second gem of a question?
 
Ven
@rightfold the atop was OK
 
in this context, are four dots an operator at all?
 
5:52 PM
hello you people
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz beautiful prog1
@Xeo thank you
 
@Aaron3468 see above, the nick *mention feature somehow got broken when sending the picture
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz but but but...lua is 1-indexed :O
 
nwp
@iksemyonov see section 1.8. Interestingly it also defined the word "access" in 1.3.1 to mean "〈execution-time action〉 to read or modify the value of an object"
 
@nwp that for 1st or 2nd Q of mine?
 
nwp
5:54 PM
but it seems the quiz means object in the OOP sense to mean "created by a class"
 
Xeo
@iksemyonov scope resolution operator. en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/…
 
ok, "access" probably means 1st Q
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz a <$*> b = (,) <$> a <*> b :evilface:
I wanted <,$*> but it's not allowed :(
 
Xeo
ew
 
Ell
heh
 
nwp
5:55 PM
@iksemyonov click on the little arrow on the left of the message, it links directly to what I replied to
 
Ell
If you really don't like (,) just do pair IMO
where pair = (,) :P
 
@Xeo ty! so, just to make sure: anywhere i see ::, that's the scope resolution operator? somehow i'm having a hard time wrapping head around the fact that this operator performs no explicit "action: so to say, if you understand what i mean
@nwp oh indeed, i'm still getting used to it
@nwp interesting indeed, ty. though surprisingly hard to read at times.
 
fuck
my internet dropped
@Aaron3468 it's a clash with lang-introduced arg (that contains varargs)
@Ven ^
 
@BartekBanachewicz ty, this is c+17/20 right?
 
@iksemyonov there's no 17 or 20 yet. We'd call it C++1z
 
6:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ok, makes sense. my eye just caught the fact that the same info is presented in 1.8 and 4.5 respectively in the two docs
 
@iksemyonov it's not an operator ;)
 
@iksemyonov Oh dear, that's really basic stuff... It is an operator though. The grammar "allow to <verb> is (somewhat) incorrect and often betrays English as a second language. Usually Germans or Indians make this mistake.
 
@Aaron3468 you're confusing me -.- it is an operator in the textbooks
 
@Ell I have mixed feelings about this :D
@iksemyonov mmm, not sure. The website isn't an official doc, after all. But it might well be they reorganized it
 
@iksemyonov It tells the compiler to open an object's namespace. The -> operator is runtime and :: is compile time at least from my understanding.
 
6:06 PM
@Aaron3468 i know the right answer, just.. you've already commented on my doubts actually, with the last message
 
@iksemyonov well nvm I always forget, the standard calls it an operator
 
@Aaron3468 well, this disctinction would make sense
 
@BartekBanachewicz holy.. FP
 
Yeah, in computer science, an operator takes arguments and does something. It's different way to notate a function. E.g access(object, field) == object::field.
 
6:09 PM
@Aaron3468 that would require us to agree that CS terms == cpp terms :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz i'm not @Aaron3468 but.. my eyes shine seeing that project. i use to have a dream about compilers years ago, somehow it vanished..
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol, I hate when that happens. Assuming language terms and computer science terms have similar meaning works 98% of the time. Academics absolutely hate if you use fuzzy definitions though
 
also I found a bug
> function f() function g() return 1,2,3 end return g() end
> =f()
1       2       3
that's most definitely not what my vm does
@iksemyonov it's the first time for me actually. I'm learning as I go, as can be plainly seen :D
 
6:12 PM
@BartekBanachewicz i'm deep in volume rendering right now but eagerly want to get onto the compiler and low-level path in the future. so i can't discern an amateur compiler project yet
@BartekBanachewicz if i knew something about that stuff, we might collaborate.. but obviously that would require a few months of training from me, as of now
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks.
 
Iksemyonov, compilers aren't hard. It's the language that makes them hard. I'd hate to write a C++ compiler from scratch, but CommonLisp? That's maybe a month or two with 40 hours/week. Try compiling z80 or 8080 machine language from C. It's not a difficult project :D
 
@Aaron3468 first i must make sure that's not a joke (so as not to find myself deep in that a few months later without a hope of finishing xD)
 
@iksemyonov Well, I'd say the project is fairly easy to understand by a non-compiler-expert, but it assumes a certain proficience in Haskell. But if anything, I'd agree with Aaron that it's not as hard as it looks.
The VM (evaluation) part is actually way more challenging than parsing/processing, and the latter is what compilers do, opposed to interpreters which need to do both.
 
No, it's really easy. like literally you just need to understand how a loop translates into instructions (set a register, do code, decrement, then conditional branch to the beginning of the loop)
Little things like that
 
6:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz hmm, ok, i'm that guy who overestimates the enemy most of the time. but them i'm a really good learner provided with lots of practice
@BartekBanachewicz oh, so it's a VM, ok
 
@iksemyonov it says that it is right there at the front page! :D
 
meaning, no native compilation, correct?
 
@Aaron3468 yeah, if you can do a loop assembly, you can compile a for loop into some form of it
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh yeah. sometimes such a slowpoke i am
so.. other than having fun with personal projects, is Haskell worth learning? i suppose it opens a new perspective on things, somehow, for a cpp / imperative programmer, doesn't it
 
The hard part of vms/compilers is optimization and edge cases, so a big language like C++ is just too much for a beginner to compile. That's why lua, lisp, scheme, assembly, and c compilers are common for beginners
 
6:21 PM
@Aaron3468 have to overcome my fear for asm first xD getting used to it reading VTune decompile output
 
@iksemyonov for this particular project, I couldn't be more happy with it. Actually you'll be surprised, but the thing I value the most isn't the whole FP (though it obviously helps), but the fact I can work on three OSes on 5 machines and can clone and build the whole project with a couple of commandline instructions.
 
@Aaron3468 yeah, i totally understand, i'd tag lua or lisp moderately complex even
@BartekBanachewicz feel ya, compared to cpp..
 
@iksemyonov nope, I eval it directly.
 
Lisp is by far the simplest unless you count 5 instruction assembly languages (store, load, add, subtract, jmp). Functional languages are nice but haskell's IO leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Ruby is dirtier but I love her more
 
@iksemyonov as for the bigger picture, I certainly don't regret learning it. There were times when people here regretted showing it to me because of the mindset change and occasional FP evangelization that followed, so yes, it does change the way you think. I've made small bits of money from knowing it, but I wouldn't bet on it to be my main source income right now. But then again, I'm slowly moving "up" from coding nowadays anyway.
@iksemyonov Lisp is super easy compared to Lua
 
6:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz i remember doing an assignment in Scheme for a class without prior knowledge.. shivers
 
yeah, but it's not about writing in it, it's about implementing it
and the design of Lisp is made of very few basic primitives and exceedingly simple (for machines, anyway) syntax
Lua has a lot of sugar in comparison, and it's made more human-friendly, which basically translates into teaching the computer more complex operations (like, well, a loop)
 
@BartekBanachewicz sure, that was more of a joke. i recall, a lot of round braces, that was pretty much all there was to it
 
@BartekBanachewicz funny thing is when i first saw you here, i thought "oh one more of those FP pros discussing monads". now i come to know you've recently been "converted" :) truly a bad habit of mine to overestimate
 
nwp
@iksemyonov nope :P
 
6:31 PM
@nwp deserve to be starred
 
@nwp yeah that was super dumb. I still haven't figured out how to write that instance
Apr 20 at 21:13, by Bartek Banachewicz
sometimes I think that this language is way smarter than I am
 
Imposter Syndrome. You think we're all pros when in fact everybody here is a masochistic Sisyphus trying to make computers understand us in languages we barely know.
 
guys so i have to share this with you. i've been on a bit of a night shift lately, working on a thesis without a job. and i had an interview offer in my email. so i called them after a few hours of sleep, the earliest possible. the lady said "wtf, you're calling me from the bathroom, not going to talk to you".. called in the evening after proper sleep. she still said "you're talking strangely, i doubt you're adequate". the heck! been through 5 or 7 interviews just fine
 
@Aaron3468 nope
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz I meant to ask about that actually. I thought you knew everything and if you fail at something it just means the world is not ready for it.
it's almost as if there is an inconsistency there
 
6:36 PM
@Abyx Shh, I'll let you be an exception if you let my hyperbole live.
 
@iksemyonov guess you have to move to DC or DC-2 if wanna have a job
 
@Aaron3468 makes me think of @JerryCoffin with the "masochistic" part
@Abyx sorry? i'm in Russia
 
@nwp eh, would still fail "fair job comparison" I tried to defend but let's not go there again
 
@iksemyonov yeah I know. DC means Default City. Msk or SPb (DC-2)
 
@Abyx ST Peter for me, but now ready to go yet. maybe once..
 
6:38 PM
Washington, Default City
 
gosh I don't even know where that Nizhniy is, should be somewhere below
 
@Abyx if they had compilers or medical in St Peter, i'd just go without thinking
@Abyx 400 km to east-south from DC, mostly east
 
@iksemyonov meh, nobody needs that shit. just find a decent bodyshop
 
@Abyx bodyshop?
 
it's like a whorehouse but for programmers
rofl
 
6:41 PM
ah, that sort. i stay away from that for now.
i actually had a very decent offer in a startup sort of place but somehow managed to lose that offer looking for more "science-enabled" job
 
When you begin, as long as it pays bills and gets you experience, it is a good job to have tbh. As you add things to your resume/CV, people start to hire you for skills and what you want to do.
 
 
@Aaron3468 i'm a bit too old to start so choosing a bit more carefully than a beginner
 
@iksemyonov 9/10 chance you'll hate your first job
 
@Mgetz quite possible, though .. that offer was sweet
 
6:44 PM
@Aaron3468 As well as things that have absolutely nothing to do with your resume. I've had countless recruiters contact me to fill positions on JS, PHP, Angular, Python. What in the fucking world were they thinking?
 
oh, we have Intel. i stay away form it as well due to the corporate thing
 
@Mgetz You'll also hate every job after the first, but you'll be less angry about them :3
 
lol what corporate thing
 
@Aaron3468 nah, you have a lot more options after the first usually
 
lots of stuff.. starting that it's a huge company and you may be that little screw.
i've been there a few times on interviews, and didn't like the atmosphere, tbh
 
6:46 PM
And companies looking for "full stack developers with 10+ years experience in the latest technologies willing to relocate to middle-of-nowhere for a salary of 50k."
 
pfft, the atmosphere
 
Jan 30 '15 at 2:30, by Borgleader
"Hi I have a question about my retirement fund"
"Sir this is a convenience store..."
"I know but it's the only thing open at this hour"
:D
 
@iksemyonov I liked working at Intel FWIW
 
@Aaron3468 But I'm not fucking open! lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz i saw some arrogance in the interviews enough to drive me off , unless, well, family and kids and bills etc haunt me. but maybe your Intel is different, ofc
 
6:48 PM
@Mysticial and then they go and complain to the government they can't find any citizens for the job
 
@BartekBanachewicz words like "you must literally die here working for us" ffs
 
Oh god, you're giving me flashbacks to all the times customers would knock on the outside windows an hour after the store closed, hoping I would somehow unlock everything, set up the cash registers, and turn on the lights so they could shop for one thing they don't even need urgently...
 
@iksemyonov apparently working for NOA was like that
 
@Mgetz Exactly. And then all those Trump supporters claim that they can't find a job and blame it on outsourcing.
 
@Mgetz National.. ?
 
6:49 PM
@iksemyonov Nintendo Of America
 
@Mgetz ah.
 
particularly for testing it was notorious for being a bit of a sweatshop
 
ok, that's it for today
heading off to pick up SO. Did varargs and fixed a bug, enough for a day.
 
My problem is that when I look up "software engineer", the postings are flooded with web developer positions...
 
@Aaron3468 shivers
 
6:52 PM
@Aaron3468 do some open source, it helps
 
Oh, and it's 20 hours away from the city it's posted for and not remote .-.
 
@Aaron3468 Probably because web developers are actually the majority of where software development is.
Nobody does backend stuff anymore.
 
I know Python quite well and that's not so common around here, so SSIIs often want to keep me around for Python jobs ^^'
 
Hmmm, maybe I should suck it up and apply for those positions. Something is better than nothing, and it gives me an ear for when backend positions open...
 
@Aaron3468 lucky you, i don't even know a thing about webdev
 
6:57 PM
@iksemyonov You say "I don't know", but the mentality of a programmer is "I'll figure it out as I go. It can't be that hard!", followed by being 6 weeks past the deadline with spaghetti code falling out of your pockets
 
I want to eat rice.
 
@Aaron3468 how'd i apply and pass the interview first?
 
@Morwenn I recommend Basmati rice. The best kind, bar none.
 
@JerryCoffin That's what we usually eat. Plus occasional round rice when I want my rice to be extra sticky.
 
It's like dating, you need to seduce the company and show how confident you are in your skills. Then if you're lucky they'll give you a chance, even though they hate the dating scene and just want it over with
 
6:59 PM
@Morwenn Stick to Basmati (sorry, I couldn't resist).
 
@JerryCoffin You're being your usual punny self.
 
@Aaron3468 saying that to a person who does no dating and hates the subject xD but i loosely understand
 
@Aaron3468 I've a job, but never dated anyone.
 
@Aaron3468 I'm 5/10 for jobs and 0/1 for dating.
 
@Aaron3468 there actually appears to be one more problem: they all want me to stay to years. hard to promise that for your first job
 
7:05 PM
@Morwenn A punny weakling who gets sand kicked in my face...
 
@JerryCoffin What xD
 
What, how am I doing better?? Must be my small sample size but I'm like 1/4 for jobs and 1/3 for dating. Damnit people, I thought you were good mentors xD
 
@Morwenn Oops, sorry. Once upon a time (when I was but a small child) somebody or other ran advertisements for a bodybuilding program where the subject of the ad takes his girlfriend to the beach, but then the big, muscular guy ends up taking his girl and kicking sand in his face...
 
@Aaron3468 How are you defining the denominator? I'm defining mine as "onsite interview" or "meet in person".
And the numerator as, "get job offer".
 
@JerryCoffin Sounds... strange? Interesting? ^^'
 
7:09 PM
Oh, I see, so then I'm 1/1 on jobs and 1/25 dating
 
@Mysticial Then I'm at ?/? jobs and 0/0 dating.
 
Granted of my 5/10 on jobs, 3 of the rejections were initiated by myself.
As in, I terminated it early after the onsite because I didn't like them or didn't think I was a good fit.
 
@Mysticial I'm wondering where on that you'd rate one I got before taking the job here in SD: did a short phone interview, and they seemed to be fairly happy. Then after a couple of days they call back and point out that they'd love to have me, but (even though it didn't say anything of the sort in the ad) this was an entry level job that would only pay around $80K/year...
 
@JerryCoffin I wouldn't count it in the denominator.
 
@iksemyonov But really the issue is that you're afraid to fail. The fact is you'll fail... a lot. So it's just better to keep trying until that one person or job actually happens, then just say yes, keep your commitment for a while, and re-evaluate every year or so.
 
7:13 PM
@Aaron3468 regarding persons, i've lost mine, and regarding jobs.. hmm. need to think
 
Hey guys, is there any way I can catch a-b overflowing when a < b where both are std::size_t?
 
@Morwenn Not quite the one I had in mind, but probably from the same ad campaign:
 
@arynaq if (a < b) { throw <insert exception/debug message here> }
 
@arynaq a-b can't overflow in such a situation, because size_t is always unsigned and unsigned can't overflow.
 
@Aaron3468 ditch dating and jobs, back to compilers. you said, start with lisp and things like that? i need to define a path for myself. because if i do it on my own, it will start with reading 3 books first, which is probably effective yet slow
 
7:16 PM
@arynaq __builtin_mul_overflow, but that's not standard.
@JerryCoffin Wow...
 
Thanks, I will try that. @JerryCoffin I am doing that in my code now with clang, I have a,b with sane positive small values, but whenever a<b the result overflows
 
@iksemyonov As I say, don't take it personally when dating doesn't work, it's a lot more common than you think it is. But yes, target common lisp. There are six basic functions to implement. Compile it into whatever asm language you choose. Ask Jerry if you want suggestions for simple asm languages.
 
@arynaq It doesn't overflow, it wraps. I believe the usual is something like if a-b > a, it's wrapped around.
 
Ah that is what I meant :P
 
@Aaron3468 but.. but, books first, no?
 
7:18 PM
What if C++ functions were allowed to process the argument list at compile-time?
 
@arynaq I think MS open sourced their SafeInt class awhile back
 
and, screw dating, i'm not into it. though.. they say you might find that one person via linear search.. i don't believe that
 
@iksemyonov Screw the books, make it for 2 days, look up articles for 2 days, try making it again for a week, and only then go to books.
 
@Aaron3468 paradigm shift ffs! but of course i'll try. was pretty much how i wrote my thesis (volume CT render on CPU)
 
7:21 PM
@EuriPinhollow What if there were no hypothetical questions?
 
@JerryCoffin That would mean that neither can I exist in my current form and that you cannot discuss making Lisp out of C++.
 
@EuriPinhollow Relevant xkcd
 
at first it would output utter junk, of course. but, with this type of task, you have visual control of correctness, that's why i like CG. though of course there can be introduced objective quality measures for CT rendering, and unit tests for pieces of math code
 
Thanks guys, I will check SafeInt :)
 
@EuriPinhollow We call those functions templates in modern lingo.
 
7:24 PM
@CaptainGiraffe then write a function template which accepts the syntax of nested aggregate initializer.
 
@EuriPinhollow "We call that a Car", -Then build a Car that levitates. I have to politely decline
 
@JerryCoffin What if your sexual partner tipped you about his desires in a form of a hypothetical question and you asked " What if there were no hypothetical questions?" in reply?
 
> Cloud computing company
> website is not https
That is something that makes me sad
 
" his desires" his/her of course.
 
@EuriPinhollow Given that I have no interest in a male sex partner, the fact this would probably drive him away doesn't bother me.
 
7:30 PM
@Aaron3468 what would you do about a company where the HR lady says i'm ill and basically refuses an interview after a phone talk? are HR's competent to make those decisions? i somehow doubt that
 
@JerryCoffin I fixed it faster than you replied so you now need to answer something else.
 
@EuriPinhollow reminds me of the classic xkcd random_t get_random(){ return (random_t) 4; // dice roll converted to the proper type. }
 
Well, that's a case where you politely say bye, because their hiring standards clearly don't allow them to hire good employees and they are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Move on, and don't blow up, just in case they change their mind.
 
@EuriPinhollow You didn't fix anything, just admitted to the problem. But taking that into account...I duno. Never gave that particular scenario a lot of thought.
 
@Aaron3468 i think so too but that's my darn university education profile, computer vision, which only a couple companies in the city do
guess i'll find a temporary job and invest into getting rady for a Yandex interview
you should know Yandex, right?
 
7:35 PM
Not until now, but it looks like they're big in your region
 
oh ffs, the comment should be // dice roll converted to a proper type and value
My apologies to Dr. Munroe
 
@Aaron3468 sorta like Google, that class of an IT company, with similar interviews. doing web search, various services, maps, and recently even uber style Taxi
and a 4-stage onsite interview about algorithms, than you can retake in .5 year only
 
btw, what are opinions on recruiters? Half the postings I am finding are recruiters and not actually companies advertising their position directly
 
pet peeve. they don't seem to tell the name of the company at teh very least..
 
user1804599
7:53 PM
Wtf
 
user1804599
You can just unadopt a child in :murrica:
 
Freedom!
 
8:06 PM
dunno if it's worth publishing, just some random thoughts gathered
 
Googled "gist", found "Gastrointestinal stromal tumor"
What does "gist" mean?
 
@EuriPinhollow it's "the core idea" in direct meaning, and in this case the name of Github's snippet posting service
 
> ... a compression stage should thruthfully reproduce the input ...
Looks very well written, typos aside :D Definitely a good read so far
I would remove the smilie at the end if it's being published in a journal, but it's perfect for a personal blag
 
haha I don't think any journal would want to publish me
 
@EuriPinhollow 'gist' == the essence of a story/main concept. Also a software API for searches
 
8:12 PM
thx
 
@BartekBanachewicz The SOA community from 2007? made this an initial selling point, then the business people took over.
 
Ell
> A functionally pure computation always parallelizes easily
Citation plz :D
 
Speaking of pet peeves, one of mine is when sorting algorithms define "File21" < "File12" Alphabetical order should treat a series of numbers and symbols as an ordinal, rather than individual characters
 
@Aaron3468 You aint got the bestest of examples there bud friend.
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz one could make the argument that if everyone already uses FP concepts everywhere as you described there is no need for a "functional way of life"
 
8:19 PM
Why? It's something I constantly see when file systems try to sort numbered files. It's annoying when they aren't in proper numerical order
 
@Aaron3468 F21 and F12 will sort the same regardless of system.
 
nwp
@Aaron3468 I think you mean "File10" < "File2"
 
you might still have time to fix it.
 
Yeah, that's what I mean (I couldn't reproduce it exactly off the top of my head). It ignores the magnitude of the number and just sorts in order of the digit's appearance.
 
If it's a pet peeve, you're not really that peeved if you don't have a proper example at hand. Still, I sympathize.
 
8:23 PM
@Aaron3468 coincidentially this is my most hated feature of Windows XP.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yeah, I guess it doesn't peeve me as much as it gets my goat if you catch my drift
 
@Ell "A functionally pure computation can be computed at compile time." -Bjarne
@Aaron3468 Yeah, my pennies are all in one pocket.
Did anyone see Ronnie play today?
 
nwp
the review queues thing doesn't change color anymore when clicking, that annoyed me
 
9:13 PM
magic_get is cool.
 
hello morwenn
 
@TonyTheLion Hey :D
 
how's life?
 
It has been worse. I had some vacation, so I've got freckles everywhere :p
 
9:21 PM
What about you?
 
I'm good.
Working and stuff
 
Exciting personal projects?
 
:/
 
user784668
I love C++ core guidelines.
 
user784668
9:24 PM
I absolutely adore them.
 
user784668
Especially the part where they forbid using open and ioctl.
 
@Fanael I've never read them.
 
@Ell To a large extent it's true. Since nothing changes state, you can replicate something, and every copy is the same as every other. Caching and cache protocols get complex specifically to deal with invalidation, which only happens when state changes. Likewise, order of evaluation mostly matters when evaluation can change state (e.g., it's a constant issue for beginners in C and C++ primarily because of ++ and --).
 
user784668
I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it?
 
user784668
9:32 PM
Why would anybody ever use ioctl is beyond me.
 
default constructors herp derp
 
user784668
The CRUD crap I write never needs that shit, so clearly nobody ever does.
 
user784668
^ the logic of your average C++ core guidelines contributor
 
user784668
@milleniumbug Yeah, that rule is awesome, too.
 
user784668
@milleniumbug Especially since they use a great counterexample as an example :D
 
9:34 PM
@Fanael Oddly, lately I've been working on (the back-end for) some CRUD crap, and in the process used some ioctl stuff for the first time in quite a while.
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin The back-end is actually a place where you'd expect ioctl to be used, actually.
 
9:47 PM
It would be amazing if we had a meta post about every single downvote. — Mysticial 11 secs ago
 
user1804599
@Ell this is false
 
user1804599
Data dependencies are important.
 
user1804599
It is definitely trivial to run it in parallel with other calls of the function
 
user1804599
But the algorithm itself may not be parallelizable
 
9:54 PM
@Fanael I guess I wouldn't be surprised if a browser used an ioctl somewhere or other either, so it's not restricted to the back-end per se.
 
10:05 PM
@Mikhail that presses all buttons making me laugh.
@thecoshman template parameter deduction is weak in that one...
 
11:13 PM
@Morwenn fluff_sort
 
@Borgleader :D
@TonyTheLion <3 <3 <3
 
<3
how are you?
 
I'm doin' all right :) You?
 
not too bad
 
^_^
 
11:30 PM
what you been up to?
 
nothin' much. One of my coworkers asked me about a month ago to do some whiteboard art for him, so I've been doing that over my lunches
I'm working on some origami as well, as a thank you for two other coworkers taking time out of their day to give me a ride to and from work when my car was at the shop
 
oh very nice
 
the project I've been working on is continuing to lumber to its conclusion
 
cool
I've started a new project, and this is embedded
 
oooh, neat!
 
11:33 PM
I don't know how I feel about this
 
bit of a mixed bag?
 
ye
a lot to learn
 
nods
 
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