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00:02
@milleniumbug but the signature has a throw() in it... Which isn't even valid...
This means the delete-null-pointer-checks crash is back.
gj Debian, gj Chromium
@Mikhail It's a compiler internal thing. Possibly it's the _ACRTIMP tag that causes warning suppression.
Once throw() is removed from the language the header will probably need to be updated to use noexcept.
But that's their business.
00:19
Indeed, although throw() means the opposite of noexcept? I'm just kinda worrying that throwing from a dctor() is UB...
throw() is almost identical to noexcept
yeah, that is kinda misleading though.
IIRC The difference is that noexcept unconditionally terminates the program. While throw() will call the terminate handler (which can be overridden by the user).
I thought that noexcept gave the compiler the ability to optimize out exceptions?
nwp
nwp
afair throw() will unwind the stack which runs destructors, noexcept doesn't, that is where the optimization potential comes from
00:23
When calling a function that is tagged with noexcept the compiler knows that it can't throw so it won't need to generate the stack-unwinding code. The result is a small binary file.
nwp
nwp
in my little dream world a compiler will figure out that there is no try/catch in the code and never bother with any exception overhead besides just killing the program
Yeah, so if you throw (maybe from a nested function), then it should ignore the throw, in the same way MSVC ignores UB...
The compiler needs to generate a try/catch block inside the function that is declared noexcept in order to prevent propagation accross the noexcept boundary.
(However, if this function only calls functions that are also noexcept then it may omit the try/catch block since it's not needed.)
nwp
nwp
or it just replaces throw X; with std::terminate();
Throwing feels a lot cheaper than catching...
00:28
@rightfold :l
throw simply triggers a goto to code that is cold in the cache.
AFAIK
It probably also involves allocations and stuff. Which make it even slower.
I'd already mod flagged on the fourth question, but I was contemplating making an additional mod flag with a link to that so the handler would have access to an up-to-date list of the questions and accounts
Ell
Ell
@StackedCrooked so it just generates catching?
AssertionError: b'24\n' != '24\n'
Thanks, python.
I appreciate it.
They wound up stopping/getting mod cluster-bombed while I was trying to figure out how to identify the previous flag/whether it would be a good idea
00:38
Fuckin'... dynamically typed bullshit.
amen
huh
so I don't burst into flames when I say that word
neato
In the bible, Demons do pray.
@ThePhD Sounds like a great line for a song: "the demons prayed and preyed."
@ThePhD "Hi. My name is Jerry, and I'm a user (of dynamically typed languages)."
@ThePhD Really? Interesting. I keep thinking about reading it, since it's informed so much of western civilization. Or at least, people have claimed to use it to justify their decisions :V
@JerryCoffin Hi, Jerry
@jaggedSpire Demons and devils are actually extraordinarily legal creatures in the bible. It's disturbing how many technicalities are in the bible, especially in the old testament.
I'm really glad I wouldn't have to be a High Priest in that setting. Screw up the ceremony and OOPS just got half the town killed SORRY EVERYONE.
00:44
@ThePhD so that's where that trope came from
@LucDanton slacker
@ThePhD There's also a talking donkey.
@JerryCoffin Hi, Jerry.
@StackedCrooked And people being stone because they mixed cloth of different fabrics!
@JerryCoffin That actually IS a really good song line. But now we need the rest of the lyrics and a song title.
00:46
@jaggedSpire lol
@LucDanton yeah
@jaggedSpire wow thats some dedication
@Borgleader it was impressive, and also genuinely funny when they started getting nuked from orbit after 10 seconds
@ThePhD Title: "Praying demons". I've handled two of the three tasks, so I'll leave the third (the rest of the lyrics) to you.
01:02
God that was fucking annoying to do.
@ThePhD All the ladies say that about me :(
(and by that I mean all of 0)
oh boy
"fuck you python3" commit message
time to see just how bad PhD is
wow
you are absolutely awful lol
SEE ME AFTER CLASS
@Rapptz toppest of keks
I thought the whole point of py3 was to avoid random encode/decodes?
/cc Robot
subprocess returns bytes now instead of str in py3
so you have to tell it how to decode it
01:09
Whaddup Rapptz. It's been a while.
heyo
Dabby is now a Dischorse scumlord
@ThePhD at least squash that shit out when merging to master jfc
@sehe This is what originally made me say Violin is "inferior". (Obviously I must have overheard how beautiful the sound is, anyway. :)
01:24
@Columbo I like this one. (Not Bach-level, just nice.)
01:41
My idea of superior violin sound.
There's a somewhat older recording of the piece with Isabelle Van Keulen playing the solo that shows (IMO) slightly better tonal quality, but I can't find it on YT.
14
Q: How do dragons not burn themselves?

rubixphys12If I were to build a world like Game of Thrones, how would the dragons not burn their own nostrils from the heat of flames?

I guess in this case 'better" is subjective though. She plays a 1702 Pietro Gaurneri, which I prefer over most Strads.
Of course, it may help that I've listened to that recording for 30+ years now, and what my brain hears is probably based pretty heavily on what I heard back then, and my ears probably can't really sense any more.
@Mikhail why don't venomous snakes poison themselves
@Mikhail Why do animals that evolved to do <weird/dangerous thing to hunt for prey> don't do <said thing> to selves
Is it because they specifically evolved that way
surely not
being a dragon is pretty cool - imagine you are able to instantly hunt and cook your prey before eating it
01:52
@Telkitty Give new meaning to "fresh meat".
@Mikhail why doesn't the stomach ingest itself?
Ell
Ell
@Mikhail it's got me thinking
If only there was some animal which used methane from digestion
Which it stored in some bladder
And an electric spark
If some dragon creature might actually be biologically possible
02:09
Cow farts contain methane, which is a fuel. So dragon's mouth is a lot like cow's butt with an extra electric spark ...
@Telkitty No electricity needed. Teeth made of a material like flint that will spark when rubbed, so the dragon pushes his jaw sideways a bit to make them rub together as he opens his mouth.
02:31
Is there a way to search for a specific filename on github filtered by the main language used by the project? eg. I want to find all .travis.yml files for projects that also uses c++. Note that filename:.travis.yml language:c++ does not work because it ends up trying to find .travis.yml with .cpp and .h extensions which is completely wrong.
03:09
Qt 5.8 takes up 5 gigabytes, more like FatT
Also this gansta rap
03:37
@набиячлэвэли Why? What does squashing buy me?
Nice. Objective C is dumb as bricks.
03:53
every morning is beautiful
when you've got coffee
Every morning is the aftermath of nightly terrors and being drenched in sweat and another sign that you have 14, maybe 16 hours of a break.
it's still not too late to pick botany
coded reference to marijuana
I should probably stop going to bed at 4am
I used to do that too but cannot anymore
I have family around now and I get tons of flak if I wake up way later than everyone else
in everyone's defense it's really annoying to be awake and do stuff while someone else is sleeping
so I don't blame
04:05
Don't make noise, no problem.
Increase your stealth level.
?
you've got the sleepers wrong
and the idea wrong
a better solution is to change time zones
it works ok during work days cause family goes to work and I can wake up at 10-11 or so
but during weekends I wake up at around 8-9
today I woke up at 5 because I went to bed at 8
lmao
I'm the only one awake
04:38
Question for the language.
I've made it so that for for( a; b; c; d; ... )
That you can have an arbitrary number of expressions in the for
anyone here ?
But the one who evaluates to a boolean value
is the one that bisects the list of statements
@Lamar if you have a question to ask, go here chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/116940/c-questions-and-answers
So everything to the left of the boolean expression is initializers / setters, everything to the right of the first boolean expression is the post-loop work.
ok @AlexM.
04:45
we really need to get that bot that sends ppl to the other room going
robot was going to make one
but then he started counting to infinity
 
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05:53
@ThePhD don't do that. Put in some sort of explicit separators. C++ uses , vs ;. Or maybe you put each set in extra parens
Easier to parse, and less likely to misinterpret
I don't quite see the motivation to innovate on the For Loop concept.
@MooingDuck I was debating between for () () () {}, and then @StackedCrooked told me that was Tcl syntax, so that's an immediate no-go. @Ven recommended for (var a =1, var b = 2; condition; other, sequenced, statements ) {}
So just use commas to do sequencing, and make it better then C / C++ where you can actually have multiple variables declared.
@Mikhail there's always the argument
Rather than just all of 1 type.
that we have an over-saturation of pointless languages
and instead of piling even more languages that will never be used
we could develop better tools for existing langs
05:55
That would require schools and other institutions to let me do that and not assign me projects like this one.
One time, a Professor did let me do that, last semester. The result: sol2
like a visual studio + resharper combo
for each language
how cool would that be
Is it for a class or research?
Class.
I would never write a language as crappy as this for research.
Also can you call it a gor loop? For group loop :-)
05:58
for({write whatever you want here};...;...) {...}
Fuck, somebody finally released a patch that fixed a major design flaw with Qt's OGL implementation (codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/155170), but random parts of QT's event loop still grab the OGL context...
the larger and more complex the project becomes
the more important tools are
eventually you'll reach a point where without a tool like resharper for C#
you just can't make any progress in any decent timeframe
Oh boy.
Time to be disappointed.
Kek.
K e k .
we do not read your messages with the same intonation you've in your head when you write them
so don't bother
 
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Ven
Ven
07:53
Hi
@AlexM. yeah. like at some point you really start needing an editor
user1804599
You want to design a language for image manipulation and you're still bikeshedding about syntax.
Ven
Ven
08:12
More bikesheds for the paint god!
08:44
As somebody who works in "image manipulation", the most important thing is performance... So, if its not going on the GPU, its not going anywhere...
These guys something cool (halide-lang.org, a little old)
user1804599
@StackedCrooked print(a) is backwards compatible. :P
user1804599
This song is incredible.
Wintersun?
what's the genre?
user1804599
Heavy metal.
08:59
since when does dutch boy like metal?
I was under impression he was genreless

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