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9:01 PM
unrelated, but funny
 
user1804599
I want T to appear as the first thing, not in the middle.
 
user1804599
Scala uses T :> L <: U but I don't like that since that doesn't tell that T is a subtype of U.
 
Ven
@Griwes you ruined all my fun :[
 
Ven
why "almost"?
 
9:04 PM
I don't understand how that applies to templates.
 
Ven
well, a class is an instantiated (or specialized) template
so during the instantiation or said template, so long it didn't reach }, it's incomplete
 
I've never "got" this meme. But youtu.be/lBOOc7D-wIM?t=195 (timed link) her face in reponse is priceless
 
"at the closing } of class-specifier" - what does it mean to reach } during template instantiation?
I give up. I can't see an explicit rule for this, and I don't understand if [class.mem#6] applies.
My instinct is that the "spirit" of the rule for classes applies for instantiations during their instantiation, but I don't know if that explicitly explains the recursion case.
The thing is, the recursive problem doesn't appear when parsing and analyzing classes (which is where the rule for classes is valid), but it does appear when instantiating templates (since Turing completeness etc.).
 
Ven
thats why I think it applies
just like everything isn't "parsed" before instantiation (2 phase lookup etc)
 
@Ven I guess you could ask a question whether (and if so, why) a templated class is incomplete during its instantiation or not, and then send mails to people (let's see, first Richard Smith, then... Richard Smith, and then Jens Maurer and CC every regular on the CWG) and then maybe you'd get an answer.
(Or your very own Core Issue. :D)
 
Ven
9:11 PM
sorry, I don't ask questions on SO..:P
also, that's pretty much the guy's question I'm trying to answer already lol
 
I'm serious though, ask Richard. :D
 
Ven
I could give him a link to the question and ask for clarifications
 
He has all the core concepts in his head.
 
Ven
maybe I should then
 
Oh hey, he actually is on SO: stackoverflow.com/users/1041090/richard-smith
 
Ven
9:14 PM
how2summon
 
@Ven Use White Sign Soapstone
or be in one of the help-receiving covenants
 
Ven
does he even levitate
 
@Ven WHO claims that he's zygoloid on LLVM IRC.
 
Ven
Okay. It's 11pm so I'm not going to engage in that for now, but I'll remember it.
 
...or on Freenode.
Probably richard.smith@google.com or whatever is the google address scheme.
 
9:16 PM
@Ven Follow up questions to deepen existing ones are very common and AGoodThing
 
@Griwes @gmail.com
 
Ven
@sehe for sure!
 
Judging by some paper I've found, richard@metafoo.co.uk.
 
Definitely NSFW
 
How did the tree hack the mainframe? It was easy, because he had root access...
 
9:24 PM
Hopefully I never end up on that side of the internet ever again.
 
@sehe 0/10 no anus
 
Ven
9:44 PM
transpilers are just compilers, yall
 
no no no
 
Any ppls good with algorithms? I have no idea why my faster algorithm is not passing, when other people's slower algorithms are passing!!
 
I know Ax=b
 
lol
anyway, yeah
 
Basically use conjugate gradient for everything
I once didn't use conjugate gradient and nothing converged
then I used conjugate gradient and everything converged
also second order methods are bullshit because they require a trust/momentum parameter... which is similar to using a lower order methods.
 
9:51 PM
..
 
I lost 3 months of undergrad trying to get 2nd order stuff to work, it doesn't when the system gets large
 
Yeah, I should go into consulting
 
nwp
you really should, that was an awesome answer
 
> Plot twist: Hitler only invaded the world to rid himself of timetravelling assassinators
11
That's... deep
@Borgleader Zawinsky's blog is just weird. But it's not "a side of the internet"
 
10:19 PM
@thepiercingarrow if the implementation of a fast algorithm is sufficiently terrible it may not outperform a good implementation of a slow algorithm for some data sets. Profile yer code
 
10:31 PM
The real question is what is meant by fast algorithm? I think of Poisson solvers, etc that are possible due to certain assumptions that change the problem...
 
11:31 PM
@Ven did you died
that’s a very adequate quote you found
 
11:57 PM
So, I often need to empty one queue into another queue, preferably with std::move, is there some short hand for this?
 
std::copy and move iterators
well, it wouldn’t be that short
 
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