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00:00
@Mysticial Not any more, sorry. All I got are dual sockets.
But that person doesn't speak English well enough for me to attempt any sort of remote-debugging.
@Mikhail :(
Can you try speaking x86 instead
@Mysticial Why don't you virtualize one btw?
It's like a command-line away qemu-kvm --cpu-count 64 no?
@LucDanton That was quick
@DmitriBudnikov Now that you brought it up, that might be the way to go. The other option is AWS.
00:03
I would just build one, I assume you are making "mad cash" working for some hedge fund.
@Mikhail I wish I made mad cash.
Only sane cash?
@Mysticial You should come build microscopes, at my PIs company. You will be the sole developer.
My thread pool explicitly sets the processor group in a round-robin fashion. But the guy with the 44-core Broadwell shows that it was only able to use 45% CPU on 25b digits. Cilk Plus will get 85%.
Clearly the processor group affinity isn't working properly.
I believe setting it requires some kind of permission elevation. Can you check the error code?
00:12
To set the processor group?
really?
Sorry, not the error code the before and after for the affinity. Thats what I used to debug these problems on Windows.
I don't have that info. All I have a below 50% CPU utilization and a shitty benchmark time.
SetThreadAffinityMask? Anyways, I had to check the return and verify if the status was correctly changing to debug some permission problems. In conclusion I just told the guy to give me administrative rights and the issue was solved.
void SetExtraThreadProperties(upL_t id){
    //  Set the processor group affinity in a round-robin fashion for the
    //  different thread ids.

    //  This will be suboptimal if the number of cores in each processor group
    //  is not the same. Hopefully, this will be rare.

#if _WIN64 && _WIN32_WINNT >= 0x0601
    WORD total_groups = GetActiveProcessorGroupCount();
    WORD group = (WORD)(id % total_groups);
    DWORD processors_within_group = GetActiveProcessorCount(group);

    GROUP_AFFINITY affinity;
I'm assuming that function isn't working.
He didn't tell me if he saw that error message.
Anyways, I would also include a check that verifies the post-conditions of these kinds of Windows functions. They can silently fail for weird reasons including system policy.
00:33
@sehe figured it out. They changed the USE flag from "X" to "gtk"
> Magic energy has been surging around the ley lines.
@DmitriBudnikov hints of Living World season 3
00:58
@DmitriBudnikov Does VMware let you set the # of cores?
> bool operator()(const register x)
I'm more familiar with that one.
what the fuck
register in 2016? really?
oh wait nvm
it's the type
:D
@Mysticial I'm not sure, I've never used it
I know that with kvm you can
00:59
kvm has Linux written all over it. Can it virtualize Windows within Windows?
@DmitriBudnikov I like how you’re all happy and everything, but it’s still quite the wtf—it’s no less a keyword
@Mysticial No, but you can virtualize a linux within your windows if you don't mind the perf
@LucDanton yeah, right
@LucDanton inb4 dragon
@DmitriBudnikov I guess that's out then.
I need to virtualize Windows.
@Mysticial Yeah I believe so
With more than 64 logical cores.
01:01
@DmitriBudnikov who do you reckon is next
At least on linux setting scheduler and affinity are privileged ops
@Mysticial What I meant is, you can have a virtualized 64 core windows into a virtualized linux that runs on vmware on your windows
Oh wait, QEMU is available on Windows
yeah...
VirtualBox was actually the one I was familiar with. It won't go above 32 and it says you "shouldn't" go above the number of physical cores.
01:06
QEMU says max 255
> SMP is supported with up to 255 CPUs.
Which download site do you use?
The "official" one doesn't seem to have the Windows version?
wiki.qemu.org/Links has several links to windows prebuilt binaries
@LucDanton I have no idea, do you?
well there have been hints towards Steve, but there have been interesting fan theories for Kralkatorrik and they’re really too fun to ignore
01:11
Steve is a dragon now?
Steve Klabnik?
@DmitriBudnikov Steve formerly known as Bubbles the sea dragon
Steve -> Klabnik -> Kralkatorix
i.e. in the story we figure out the name of the sea dragon starts with an 'S' so obviously the community has dubbed him Steve
amazing that even dragons use the latin alphabet
well presumably there’s the translation convention going on with New Krytan actually
(try harder)
01:18
lol suckerberg's reaction about whatsapp
> The idea that everyone in Brazil can be denied the freedom to communicate the way they want is very scary in a democracy.
user406009
@DmitriBudnikov What did you think was funny about it?
How disingenuous
user406009
@DmitriBudnikov In what sense? Facebook does tend to be anti-censorship.
@StackedCrooked Yes that's called DMA and peripherals have been doing that for years (no idea why Jerry says it's obsolete, NICs and GPUs do that all the time)
@Lalaland Go ahead and post titties
user406009
@DmitriBudnikov Well, they don't like ban political speech or anything.
01:21
They also don't comply with the law, which is "very scary in a democracy"
Says the man leading Facebook to censor of comments in germany about islamic refugees.
user406009
@DmitriBudnikov I mean, that's sorta an undecided ethical question: Is it just to obey an unjust law?
@Lalaland Is it unjust?
user406009
@DmitriBudnikov Some would say yes.
according to what objective measure ?
01:23
@Lalaland And some others would say no
user406009
@LeandroPezzente Deontological ethics often runs into these sort of situations.
Big companies are feeling very brazen lately
user406009
I would recommend reading about Kant and lying.
What makes you think FB can decide whether they want or not to cooperate with govt of country X to provide information on citizen Y for murder/drug dealing/whatever that was
I mean they do cooperate with the NSA, so why not the Brazilian govt?
Why not?
that's why unless there is some form of metric, it all falls into opinions
01:25
Cooperate and shutdown are different things
FWIG they refused to cooperate
Don't ask for unreasonable things
But then again, not enough data to form an opinion
If the US government told them to shutdown, there would be riots
user406009
@DmitriBudnikov They actually are not allowed to cooperate by US law.
01:25
I just think that message from Suckerberg is extremely disingenuous
user406009
And they don't even store the required data.
> scary in a democracy
what the fuck man
look at yourself in a mirror
@DmitriBudnikov All I see is myself...
I wonder who gets benefited from Facebook lack of cooperation.
@Lalaland which makes the appeal to emotion very weird
user406009
01:26
@Mikhail Well, they were shut down after they refused to cooperate for quite a long time.
user406009
@LucDanton The appeal to emotion is not to have an excuse for their actions, it's to try to get people in Brazil to protest to change the law.
Facebook is too big to fail, its like shutting down the internet.
besides, isn't suckberg behaving under a double standard ?
No such thing as too big to fail
user406009
You are correct that an appeal to US law would be more effective if they were just trying to find an excuse, but that's not their goal here.
01:27
No exceptions to the Law
Your reasoning is dangerous
user406009
@LeandroPezzente In what sense?
If it's too big to fail it should be a public good, not a private company
@Lalaland I wasn’t using the word 'appeal' literally
HE agrees to cooperate with Germany under a very dubious moral reasoning, but no Brazil.
Also titties are censored because ???
user406009
01:28
@LucDanton I know. I was just trying to argue that different explanations can serve different goals. And in this case, they chose the best one for their specific goals.
@DmitriBudnikov Maybe. There is a 'in-between' area that is reserved for "utilities", and in US law they have certain privileges. Facebook in 2011 was pushing to be called a utility
@Lalaland well sure but that doesn’t connect to my reaction
Nationalize the company, then :)
user406009
@DmitriBudnikov Because sharing them doesn't really contribute to "freedom".
^double-think in action
01:30
exactly
Anyway I've got a nice piece of HN quality comment to share:
> Personal property rights are key in maintaining a functioning free market economy. This ruling by the court flies in the face of those rights.
user406009
Well, at least, that was the general company culture when I worked there.
user406009
Most of their actions were explained in terms of allowing freedom of communication.
^ when talking about an Italian judge's ruling about how stealing when hungry isn't punishable
user406009
Like the whole (infamous) Free Basics program.
Some guy was starving and stole food and judge didn't punish him OH MY GOD THE FREE MARKET IS BEING ATTACKED
fucking dumbfuck
user406009
01:32
Oh yeah, that person is an idiot.
Italy isn't Brasil
user406009
@Mikhail Different thread.
you are quite bright @Mikhail
aw man I could have got that answer
I gotta be quicker
01:33
> I'm apparently in the minority, but, after reading the article, I still maintain that there is never a reason to steal from your fellow man. The potential for abuse due to hunger being subjective notwithstanding, there are social programs in place to accommodate the needy. Do they not have these programs in Italy? I am a very compassionate, empathetic (to a fault) person, but I just don't see the justification for the theft.
Well then go ahead and starve
lol
user406009
"Let them eat cake!"
too difficult to empathize when you're a rich webdev living in SF
SF isn’t Brasil either
working on your next app to disrupt garbage bins
@Luc got me there
user406009
@DmitriBudnikov Did you this(news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11615639) thread?
user406009
01:34
Supposedly the best HN can come up with.
user406009
Still 99% shit.
> It's a little hard to understand how this ruling won't cause a certain degree of chaos. Can any hungry, homeless person now steal food from any store in Italy without repercussion? Certainly as a matter of compassion, this ruling can be argued as being reasonable, but how can it work as a practical matter?
I think I’ve got the hang of this
inb4 chaos in Italy
how are these OPs even able to breathe
user406009
01:35
Shoot, now I feel like an idiot. Copied and pasted the wrong link.
It's the same link
user406009
That's because my mad editing skills are too leet to be seen by the slow poke eyes of Cicada.
> Hacksplaining: Online security training for web developers
@DmitriBudnikov bonus question round: which is worse, that OP thinks hunger is widespread in Italy; or that under the premise that hunger is widespread in Italy OP is more concerned about the potential for unpunished theft rather than, well, obviously the hunger
01:36
> Jury Board: Helping attorneys win cases through jury selection
lol
user406009
The Jury Board one is actually one of the few that sounds legit.
@LucDanton That 1 judgement throws the country in chaos
But then again I'm not really that surprised by the reactions
It's USA after all and the cultural gap shows
> Brodlist (brodlist.com) is new ground-breaking database that aims to replace the relational database. Its features include Schema-on-Need, so that you don't have to model your database, just start using it.
/cc @CatPlusPlus
what could possibly go wrong
does that make it dynamically schemed
> SQL and the relational database has been around for 50 years. It's finally met its match.
are these people even serious
> You have schema. The default, though, is to let the data tell you what it is rather than the other way around.
okay these people have no idea what "schema" means
next
Wouldn't that be a glorified csv file ?
01:40
it would be a catastrophe
and a relational database also
> I'm still wondering about one thing: if everybody has a basic income, then who will be doing the dirty jobs like collecting our waste? Will the price for waste collecting go up?
Someone on HN isn't aware that garbage collectors earn their life quite well
maybe they are using the word "scheman" in the sense mongoDB devs use it.
Can't we just get more illegal immigrants? Then we can have high official wages, but still have our waste collected. And the Bernie Sanders supporters won't be able to complain.
Also garbage men get paid a lot (due to unions or something else) but a maid working at a hotel might get minimal wage.
> Éboueur, un métier qui séduit - Francetv info
actually because it's a dangerous unsanitary job
you won't see a maid changing jobs for sewer cleaning
even if sewer cleaning pays a lot more than maid
> Reminds me of the third islamic caliph, Omar ibn Khattab, who suspend punishment for thief on famine.
what the fuck
:hn:
01:45
that must have been a hell of a food raid
> Also, surely the store from which he stole is still victimized by the theft. Is every supermarket now de facto required to set up small food pantries for the poor to protect themselves from theft?
why am I reading this
> If you're gonna force business owners to give to the poor, [...]
what
dunno, you might like politics.
do these people even read
I do wonder why people who claim that "the goverment should help the dont haves more" also refuse to let the goverment take away 40% of their salaries in taxes.
where do these people think the goverment gets the money to fund welfare ?. prayers ?
> Who decides if a person is truly starving and homeless, or just acting it to get free food?
01:48
QEMU is turning into a rats nest.
It looks like Windows might have a boot option to set the number of processor groups at startup.
user406009
@Mikhail Even better, we can just not pay them!
user406009
We just have to repeal this little, troublesome, ammendment. Banning slavery of all things.
@DmitriBudnikov you might enjoy e.g. /r/badlegaladvice (also sometimes /r/bestoflegaladvice) cos you get a lot of that 'reasoning' there
> This is why it's so important for your prison system to have a strong culture of sexual abuse. It allows the society to pretend they have a liberal justice system, while in reality all crimes are punished by rape.
> By this logic, money theft is 'not a crime' if poor.
user406009
@DmitriBudnikov Obviously sarcasm.
01:51
It's HN, no such thing as sarcasm
> The computer needs to restart to finish installing updates.
what country is this
windows
okay enough HN for today
next torture: MSVC
Alright, rebooting that box with 4 cores per processor group.
I kinda preffer the term welfare ripe culture
Alright. Windows thinks my 4-core box has 2 NUMA nodes.
01:54
NUMA NUMA ye, dragostea din tei
okay wtf. The program used both processor groups no problems.
some song about how he likes trees
Setting processor group affinity works.
I can't repro that guy's problem. Fuck
Could it be that he had hyper-threading disabled?
Then it would affect the denominator as well.
So that's isn't it.
01:58
@LucDanton amazing
Well if your code assumes half the cores aren't real, but in this case they were all real...
Processor(s):
    Name:              Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2696 v4 @ 2.20GHz
    Logical Cores:     88
    Physical Cores:    44
    Sockets:           2
    NUMA Nodes:        2
    Base Frequency:    2,199,986,063 Hz
Everything's enabled.
how can our cores be real
oh no, my cores are floating
Oh, he didn't turn off the NUMA. I thought he said he did.
02:00
@LucDanton there goes my day
> a home invasion is by its very nature a threat on your life. They aren't there for tea and crumpets
@DmitriBudnikov sheesh, save it for a rainy evening under the covers :)
Not being here for tea & crumpets => threat on your life
I too can do false reasonings you see
@Mikhail I'm looking side-by-side comparisons of the v0.6.9 and v0.7.1 on his box. It looks like the parallel memset is backfiring on both his dual Sandy and his dual Broadwell.
He also didn't turn off the NUMA on his Sandy.
i want to convert java to c++ programmer,is it possible?
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@wangyiran Look up the Edison Design Group, they have a comprehensive summary about that.
02:08
thanks very much!
Looks like a 15% performance hit for using 2 processor groups vs. 1 on my 4770k. That's actually not too bad...
Clik Plus seems buggy with multiple processor groups. lol wtf
Oh... The latest version of the Cilk Plus binary seems to be okay...
Doing the backup for the second time, this time the right way .... hopefully ...
after 10 day, it's currently at 74%!
02:33
> This paper garnered a lot of interest in the security community and even made it to the front page of Hacker News.
The highest distinction a scientific paper could get
nobody ever said hackers are scientists
the closest would be ... computer scientists
but then again you could call some hookers high income earners
02:47
is 'cf.' appropriate in a post about programming? I get the feeling that it doesn't appear as much in English as it does in French, but I don’t know for sure
> While the cf. abbreviation has widespread use as a shorthand for "see", particularly in citations, The Chicago Manual of Style recommends against its use in this sense and prefers instead that cf. be used only to mean "compare" or "see, by way of comparison".
curious
@LucDanton who cares
impose ton style
communication is two-way etc.
@DmitriBudnikov jsais pas les petites fioritures latines ça m’emballe pas en anglais comme ça me le fait en français, cf. ceci
03:19
langage de pécores
le francer ya que sa de vrer
03:33
@LucDanton At least in American English, it's rarely seen outside of academia.
04:02
non-breaking snake would be a good name for a band
04:21
hypersnake
> fanciful: over-imaginative and unrealistic
@Lalaland @Ell oo that seems fitting
oh my I haven't mentioned my abject hatred for MSVC2013 in two months.
Don't worry "Comeau C/C++ is $50 for most platforms. Order Now!"
@Lalaland @Ell I mean for my pseudo-iterator concept of yesterday, this isn’t a slight at you sorry @_@
@jaggedSpire I prefer 'river-filling snakes'
but I thought rivers were the trails of whitespace across multiple rows of text
04:31
when you justify it yeah
fill 'em with snakes!
I hate not-justified text
@jaggedSpire I mean I prefer it as a band name
And then people try to justify (hah) their broken decision by how THE WEB IS NOT A BOOK
@LucDanton ooh yeah, that's a nice one too then
oh no someone posted dumb code on r/cpp and almost made me react
04:39
tricksy hobbitses
I just casually realized that given this protocol design, payload represents less than 50% of the transmitted data
brilliant
04:54
@DmitriBudnikov sometimes ragged edges are better than the abomination of spacing you get with full justification.
But that's QoI
Especially on small screens (like a Kindle, not a phone; phones are always shit)
@Feeds Somebody should make this a TeX package. :D
> in order to increase fault tolerancy
oh the irone
What if we send the data twice?
05:11
Oh wow now YNAB is evil cloud, too. @Cat, @Tony what's up with that?
Ven
Ven
Yo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't upgrade to the latest version and don't intend to
Plus it's a subscription now
It's pure evil.
Glad I only decided to get it after they came out as dicks.
Now I need to wait for something to fill in that void
"Hipsters ruin everything" is really threatening to become my motto.
You just earned yourself a kicking and a mod flag.
@R.MartinhoFernandes And I bought it about ~3-4 months before :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes I started working on something, but it's for personal use atm
And it allows me to PLOT THINGS
05:26
@DmitriBudnikov how ambitious is that?
start-up project unmasked
inb4 making a business out of it and suddenly switching to subscription model
Ven
Ven
That's GettingBoring
That said, if you have ideas, @Luc @R.M, I'm open to suggestions!
I wanted to add tags to expenses and better filtering
Also multiple currencies
05:35
@sehe Also changed the GCC slot names :/ It's now "4.9.3" instead of "4.9".
@DmitriBudnikov Didn't YNAB have categories already?
Yes, but it's one category per expense
I think I'll give GnuCash a try.
Seems the least horrible of all the alternatives I've seen suggested.
Sigh.
Sometimes I find myself wanting several categories for an expense, for example [atm] [holiday] [philippines]
@DmitriBudnikov tmi
it's an example you sinister fool
[surgery] [penis-shortening] [malaysia] [healthcare]
05:42
stay wild my friend
@DmitriBudnikov The funny thing is that I really see a benefit in syncing between my desktop and my phone, but I can do the syncing myself, TYVM. Fuck the cloud.
Also, lolwut, they let you sync directly with your bank account?
For some supported banks
Only slightly less horrible that way.
It seems they looked at all the horrible features of the competition and decided to replace everything with those.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suspect that’s a US thing
where did we discuss this
Feb 6 at 13:40, by Rapptz
I don't know if mint.com works outside of US/Canada btw
I think
Feb 6 at 13:40, by Hubert Applebaum
what do you mean outside of US/Canada
obligatory
05:52
I noticed that whenever Americans (and I guess Canadians, too) talk about budgeting software. They seemingly input bank information wherever and then… magic? but not the fraud kind
06:12
Also I just fucked up and sent payment for 10 rents.
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Why oh why
> Like honestly, I thought the fact that the legendary had a proper story was enough, but then I was completely blown away by how awesome the tigers and raising them is. It's strange really, its the only legendary so far that has felt like it's a 'journey'.
@DmitriBudnikov Maybe that’s why they stopped developing the legendaries
looks like the shortbow has impressed many folks
06:30
@LucDanton Quality takes too much effort
Ven
Ven
and effort quality takes much too
morning
hello guys i am the guy yesterday who is askin about the boundingbox
Ven
Ven
yo
@CarloowLescano what is boundingbox ?
06:42
someone told me to use octree to make the detection of min and max value of the vertex3d, to make it fast
OBB
but i dont know where to start
what is boundingbox, what is octree, what is OBB .. why not use full terms, I'm not an expert in that field.
@CarloowLescano Well read a tutorial on octrees lol
And BVHs (bounding volume hierarchies)
ohh.. that stuff
it's not rocket science btw
ok ok im so sorry. maybe im the guy who look for specific problem
i read it already
and still cant figured out how i am going to start it
06:49
okay
my guess is there's probably someone who already done what you are trying to do.

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