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07:08
@LucDanton alright
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@DmitriBudnikov be wary of magic statics
7 hours ago, by jaggedSpire
This a C++ chat room dedicated to emotional support for those who work with C++
this should be new room topic
@BartekBanachewicz lol, yes. :)
> Rewrite Tor in Rust
oboi
click
> Description
Rust provides many features that would benefit Tor like memory safety, etc. Writing C code that is safe is super hard (even for exeperienced Tor devs).
so far so true
07:19
> many features like <list of 1 feature>, etc.
@DmitriBudnikov Well, they should rewrite it in Ada 2012 instead.
Also writing English that is correct is super hard (because he managed to misspell experienced), so.
Man, I want a job writing Ada 2012. :)
@BartekBanachewicz Would do but that would attract too many vampires
@Puppy you sure? After all, vampires need code, not emotional support
I can sympathize with people who have to write C++ all day
07:23
@Zoidberg a couple of people joined the hack channel
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@AjeetKljh look up the precedence and associativity of those operators
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@JohanLarsson cool
what's hack
php with tyeps
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07:25
@BartekBanachewicz the language you liked the code I posted yesterday was written in
@Lalaland I've been thinking and I think that any duplication can be removed in one way or another. In essense, not commiting to one particular event passing or render strategy leaves some freedom for the code I think, which is now still important for me
> Why I’m switching from Python to Node.js
> Why I'm switching from shit to worse shit
07:42
The article concludes with "I ended up switching back to Python"
Both Python and Node.js can be very useful pieces of technology
the fact they're "shit" doesn't really matter when you have a product to make
Particularly when that product is shit itself
we use shit tools because that's what majority agrees on. If people outright refused to start projects in shitty languages and actually demanded better and took time to learn other ways to solve problems it might look different
alas in this very chatroom there are people who are happy to use C++ @набиячлэвэлиь
Not everyone is mentally ill
I'm not happy to use C++
07:45
So please spare us talking how node or python are shit, because you're part of the problem (consider that a general "you" then)
node is shit python is ok
@набиячлэвэлиь This is good.
More people should be unhappy about using C++.
This fucker's too old to take a meme
@BartekBanachewicz not happy != unhappy
what me-me?
07:46
@BartekBanachewicz mee-m
me-me sounds way funnier
@набиячлэвэлиь indifference puts you on my "part of the problem" list
how about you read the sentence and try to comprehend it before responding with 3-letter onomatopeias resembling expression of astonishment
inb4 kek
honestly 100% kek, barket
agreeing to status quo makes technology stagnate
cue uncle bob and his 40 years of experience
07:53
doesn't mean you have to ignore experience
extremes are bad no matter the side :w
@DmitriBudnikov his experience stops to matter when he opens his mouth
I'm not talking about his experience but Experience in general
well okay how do you propose not ignoring experience would work?
for me it's "evaluate this way even if I think it's dumb, because someone experienced proposed it"
well guess what. The other part of the industry (i.e. everyone who is not uncle bob) have been evaluating his ideas and found them to be patently untrue, at least in the overgeneralized bullshit form he sells on his blog.
Evaluating new things isn't bad, evaluating them with disregard for common sense (e.g "why I rewrote my business-critical project in newlang") is dumb
Write small things first, see how it works, etc
Well of course
07:58
Well that's the issue
what do you mean?
Many people are like "OMG JS IS THE SAVIOR let's rewrite everything in JS"
And then "ah turns out no"
but did they believe enough in JS
MongoDB is also a great example
People are like "schemas are fundamentally broken! let's use document stores for everything"
Ven
Ven
oh hello
@DmitriBudnikov s/People/Idiots/
08:00
@Ven those are synonyms
And then 2 years later they realize, oops, database theory is based on pretty sound maths (and maths are difficult to fool)
Ven
Ven
welcome to the pond
Now that isn't to say that document DBs are useless, I'm just tired of the attitude LETS THROW EVERYTHING AWAY and rewrite in newlang because we're young and graybeards are old and annoying
It's exactly like a teenager arguing with his parents
And webdev is full of those people
you're getting old Dmitri
and so am I, incidentally.
When your ORM helpfully pluralizes your "person" schema into a "people" table, I think there's a mentality issue
(this is not a joke)
08:03
lel
do they have a dictionary or what
Let me find that for you, one sec
yeah there are tons of npm pluralizer modules
you name it, there is an npm module
exports.uncountables = [
  'advice',
  'energy',
  'excretion',
  'digestion',
  'cooperation',
  'health',
  'justice',
  'labour',
  'machinery',
  'equipment',
  'information',
  'pollution',
  'sewage',
  'paper',
  'money',
  'species',
  'series',
  'rain',
  'rice',
  'fish',
  'sheep',
  'moose',
  'deer',
  'news',
  'expertise',
  'status',
  'media'
];
there's probably a spectrum analyzer npm module, lol
Sanity check: your ORM is doing table name pluralization. Yes.
what the fuck
Someone, somewhere, at some point in time, had this idea and thought it was a good one.
08:05
@DmitriBudnikov Indeed. Getting old is no joke :)
@DmitriBudnikov moose tables are srs bsns
it has no choice, because its api generates names
Ven
Ven
@DmitriBudnikov you havn't even seen Rails yet.
if you want to give it all the names, you can
@doug65536 What do you mean it has no choice?
08:07
complete strawman
You always have a choice in making dumb decisions
Ven
Ven
Rails' ORM also has a pluralizer (well, it's another module, but the ORM uses it). But the thing is, some names are not pluralized correctly, because of historical reasons (people created their models before the inflections were added).
ORMs should not be pluralizing anything
It's an ORM.
@DmitriBudnikov ahahah that's hilarios
Ven
Ven
read my message and tell me where I said it should.
> * @author TJ Holowaychuk (extracted from ext.js)
08:08
I'm not replying to you lol
FOLLOW THE ARROWS
Ven
Ven
now that's even better, they copy-paste code! hey at least, you're sure the author can't pull it from you like left-pad did
Imagine them if I'm not using them
Ven
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@DmitriBudnikov there are no arrows on that message
And what did I just say
Ven
Ven
I imagined you replied to me, and gave you shit for that.
08:08
@doug65536 doesn't change the fact it's hilarious
time for the morning coffee perhaps
I, for one, welcome our new @Cat overlord
@doug65536 Great symptom of JS cancer IMO
how's it going in the butt castle, we're discussing Node.JS ORMs here
@DmitriBudnikov It's funny because even MongoDB docs say the document schema matters a lot for query performance
08:12
I'm not even mentioning how pluralization doesn't even take locale into account because I don't want to get started on the topic
What do you mean other languages & cultures
This is Internet this is AMERIKA
ɴᴏʙᴇᴊs ɪs ᴅᴜᴍʙ
hurr durr someone clean the slime on my shirt
Ven
Ven
if you're coding in russian you deserve what's coming to you
@CatPlusPlus cyka blyat, ɴᴏʙᴇᴊs
I just realized I have no idea how to say "bave" in english
Ven
Ven
blblblbl
08:14
I hope slime conveys the idea
Ven
Ven
lol
utiliser ce mot serait une bavure
@CatPlusPlus this is even more hilarious
commence pas à faire ton luc toi
Ven
Ven
@DmitriBudnikov stop drooling over luc
@DmitriBudnikov altough, if RDBs being based on "solid maths" makes the idea universally good, wouldn't the same be true about say deptypes? Meaning that while current implementations such, in principle it's possible to make that the best thing we can get
08:17
Well yes? Deptypes are obviously great lol
pas de jalousie svp
Many great maths theories have made for great CS tools
RDBs, regices, types, asymmetric encryption, compression, what else
Ven
Ven
Monads.
calculus
anyway I'm preaching the choir I guess
since this room is aptly not-titled Javascript
08:20
@DmitriBudnikov I r8 your rant boring/10
> Coeffects are the dual of effects. Effects represent what your program does to the world while coeffects track what your program requires from the world.
woah
That's interesting, because it would seem a monad represent effects, coeffects or both.
No it's not you should be using NodeJS etc
Did you know programs are proofs
Javascript programs are a proof of incompetence
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I am going to log in to twitter to post that
Ven
Ven
08:23
@BartekBanachewicz you don't do comonads, guarded corecursion, or coprograms? :P
22 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
hmm I think I should really read more about comonads
@Ven as long as you are a coworker you don’t have to do anything
Ven
Ven
:D
@BartekBanachewicz may I propose some reading?
some conor mcbriding
> IS MY INFORMATION PRIVATE?
Yes! We will never sell your information to anyone else.
Now register you dumbfuck!
why do they give it away for free
08:25
May 27 '14 at 16:29, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> teach a man to pred and he will pred to zero. teach a man to succ and he will succ forever
if only they charged a reasonable amount and gave me a cut, maybe I’d agree
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@BartekBanachewicz And then long live the nation state!
lol that discussion was p hilarious
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And the lack of incompetent politicians who didn't get elected for their own country's parliament anymore.
> Cello – a programming language for living cells
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08:26
@DmitriBudnikov news.mit.edu/2016/…
"I wonder what name we can find for this CELL programming language"
cellar
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Energy cell.
Ven
Ven
it's a pretty good introduction, imho
@Ven gotta love the 90s style slides in 4:3 format
Ven
Ven
08:27
at least it's not SPJ and comic sans ;)
I like the vintage vibe though
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Ven
quand j'étais petit, je me demandais ce que signifiait "comique sans ms". //cc @DmitriBudnikov
brings back memories
What do you want, a fancy HTML5 .io telling you how type annotations are the future?
Ven
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz btw, gist.github.com/vendethiel/7133634 if you're interested
08:28
Look at my WebGL accelerated presentation of how javascript solves famine
Ven
Ven
javascritp solves frames
by dropping them on the floor, shattering them as well as your dreams.
YIQMV
>contributting on githerp
>2016
Ven
Ven
tg
I've had more constructive discussions on /b/ tbh
Ven
Ven
avec tes /b/ros
08:31
@Ven now I know where you're getting all of those from
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Ven
@BartekBanachewicz ..from my list :P – not that surprising
> LiveScript is a language which compiles to JavaScript.
Ven
Ven
transpiles*
When I read that I always imagine the compiler is akin to some ruminant that eats grass forever and then produces shit.
Daily reminder that JavaScript is the new PHP
@Ven ...
Can we actually ban "transpiling" here
08:33
I think Bratek missed the memo
Ven
Ven
^
imb4 bartek takes me seriously when i'm just a retarded kid
you of all people should know i'm full of shit, bartek
I think someone said something about transpiling and how it's compilation
@Ven don't worry I still <3 you
Ven
Ven
teh iron-y.
> MVC to FRP
hmpfh someone wants to give away tickets to cycleconf
Oh wait this Cycle.js things looks almost like what we've been talking about /cc @Puppy @Lalaland
Look it's JS reinventing the message loop
Ven
Ven
08:37
:')
@DmitriBudnikov mm, not quite
yes quite jfc
I plan to video taping my chickens snoring
> Cycle.js has components, but unlike other frameworks, every single Cycle.js app, no matter how complex, is a function that can be reused in a larger Cycle.js app.
this is exactly like Hate-UI's components
and quite similar to React as well
wow someone invented function composability???
unheard of
08:39
@DmitriBudnikov this is on a level higher than functions I think
most prolly applicative functors
I'll tell you where the significant difference lies: it's javascript. Hence, it's better. And new.
I actually wanted to inb4 "but CPU memory has state and assembly is imperative so functional programming doesn't really exist"
When was reactive programming invented again
Previous millenia
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@BartekBanachewicz That's how Haskell I/O worked before >>=.
see, even Ramses II knew how to FRP
08:42
@DmitriBudnikov the new FRP is pretty fresh I think
the elm-like, signal based
@Zoidberg lol, good point
I often comfort myself by thinking that while I might not know the shiniest new JS framework that is trending now, there's a single haskell operator that replaces it.
and was invented 20 years ago
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Cycle.js isn't shitty.
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It's very good.
@DmitriBudnikov making progress in the Guild Hall
try not to mind the ugly trail of super clouds, guild mate was drunk with the power of 2000 clouds
lol
that's quite nice, a bit arid though
08:53
Oh guys. This'll be fun! Web Developer Test
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@DmitriBudnikov the one tree you can see I added, it’s a WIP (there’s even a hint of the other tree in the pic)
@Ven He fails. He already agrees. Let's wait for the real asshole
Ven
Ven
@sehe he doesn't exactly agree, but you're right
> 10. How many failed startups have you worked at?
> > d) My life is a failed startup
Ven
Ven
FeelsNabijaMan
08:55
Well. Trying to sound reasonable is not part of the ass-hole starter pack
@sehe That low res image of a workdesk with SUPER AWESOME TEXT AROUND IT totally makes me want to complete it
Ven
Ven
you're right. I'm getting a bit too hastily on my high horse

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