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18:00
@tom_mai78101 I get it; he remembers the future?
"In addition, JavaScript was designed with Java's syntax and standard library in mind. In particular, all Java keywords were reserved in original JavaScript, JavaScript's standard library follows Java's naming conventions, and JavaScript's Math and Date objects are based on classes from Java 1.0.[15]
“ JS had to “look like Java” only less so, [it had to] be Java’s dumb kid brother or boy-hostage sidekick. Plus, I had to be done in ten days or something worse than JS would have happened ”
—Brendan Eich[73]
Java and JSON may be Batman and Robin in disguise.
Omg, I realized there's a JSON and GSON.
G-String Object Notation?
GJ = Good Job. Brother and sister.
G = girl
F = girl
18:07
Hm... Can't tell if I'm making up stories, or there's an actual back story behind all this.
G is Girl's initials
@tom_mai78101 it's a conspiracy
When naming compiler options, be sure to have the team read them aloud at least once...
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A: How do I add a library made for C# without Visual Studio's IDE?

Ben VoigtYou want the /FU option. Or add #using to your source code.

Guess I should either stay away from NSFW conspiracies and 4chan.
It's 2:09 AM here.
Sleep, sleep. -Peon, Warcraft III
18:34
@CheersandhthAlf: I don't see that stackoverflow.com/questions/9774694/… was edited
it took a minute or so of typing
^ lol.
I wonder why anyone would need a woman who knows how to dig worms and clean fish.
18:50
what is the scope of a static member variable, is it program scope, or it's the file scope in which it got "defined or initializated "
@AlexDan What's the difference?
if I've multiple TU in one program
then so what?
they all get linked together at the end
all TUs live for exactly the same amount of time
for example if I defined it in a file a.cpp and I want to use in main.cpp, is it possible because when you make a global variable static, you can't extern it from another file
so my question was, it it the same case with static member variables
no
I understand your confusion now
a static member variable and a static variable are two totally different things
for file-scope variables, static refers to linkage
for member variables, static refers to lifetime
a static member variable may be used from any place that includes the class definition, and has the appropriate access level
18:56
ok I see, thanks a lot
since normal file-scope variables should be virtually never used, I forget that static even has two uses like that
Well, constants in headers come to mind.
those aren't variables
Okay guys, major PC update today: equipped with several hundred Euros, I went to my local hardware dealer and bought... a new keyboard and mouse :)
They didn't have the graphics card, and I wasn't sure about the SSDs.
hehe
19:01
But the keyboard and mouse are really nice for 25 Euro total :) It's a Cherry G85-23100 and some simple OEM Logitech.
19:12
@FredOverflow A modern assassin, like Heinlein's Friday, must not only be equipped with loads of cash, but also the means for communication, such as mouse and keyboard
^ Maybe
Friday is a 1982 science fiction novel by Robert A. Heinlein. It is the story of a female "artificial person," the titular character, genetically engineered to be stronger, faster, smarter, and generally better than normal humans. Artificial humans are widely resented, and much of the story deals with Friday's struggle both against prejudice and to conceal her enhanced attributes from other humans. The story is set in a Balkanized world, in which the nations of the North American continent have been split up into a number of smaller states. Friday was nominated for the Nebula Award for ...
^ The version I have has a much better cover, though.
Hmm, the keyboard has mixed reviews on amazon... 64/15/3/12/12 is not very good for a keyboard :(
@FredOverflow Most modern keyboards suck big time. The best are the cheapest. The rave reviews are reserved for the unusuable keyboards with lots of shining lights and special sillykeys and what not, like old time's "technofreak" stereo amps with bad sound but gold speaker leads to keep additional impurities down.
shoulda checked that before purchasing shouldn't you :P
@CheersandhthAlf For many people, the keyboard only lasted several months.
@FredOverflow then, just be nice to it, and write a nice review after 6 months :-)
19:24
@DeadMG Probably, but I always buy my keyboards spontaneously when I like the touch and feel. I cannot buy keyboards online. Like women can't buy shoes online. (I suppose?)
In my own experience, most keyboards don't mind the odd coffee spill, but really dislike beer and coke
I personally have virtually never had any cause to purchase a keyboard, so I wouldn't know
@CheersandhthAlf distilled water will fix beer and coke
@DeadMG How old is your current keyboard?
19:25
several years
I typically buy a new keyboard every 3-5 years.
I had a keyboard in 1999, another in about 2004, and this one since about 2008, I think
Anyone use Model M keyboard? I bought the Unicomp version a while ago and love it.
Saturn's Children is a 2008 science fiction novel by British author Charles Stross. Stross has said that it is "a space opera and late-period Heinlein tribute" (specifically Heinlein's Friday). It was nominated for the 2009 Hugo Award for Best Novel , and was a finalist for the 2009 Prometheus Award. The novel describes the travels and perils of Freya Nakamichi-47, a gynoid in the distant future. Humanity is extinct and android society has assumed a near-feudal form, with "aristos" and "arbeiters" (a term from the German word arbeiter, worker) having spread throughout the Solar System. ...
Yet another book I didn't know about.
Interesting, there's a 6,59€ Logitech keyboard on amazon with very good reviews.
19:33
so
to continue work on my 3D rendering, or to continue work on my Wide specification?
Wouldn't have thought you can get a decent keyboard for so little (?) money.
@DeadMG 3D rendering
you're a bad influence :P
@Pubby Model M: best keyboard EVER!
3
(although I don’t use mine anymore … but it served me well until two years ago, and it’s as old as I am)
@KonradRudolph Are they still produced and widely available? They're quite price, aren't they?
@FredOverflow The ones still in production (Unicomp) are like $100
19:36
@FredOverflow Not that I know of. I had two keyboards from 1985 (!!!) that I used until two years ago
@KonradRudolph You had your first keyboard at the age of 0? Wow.
The used ones don't really break though and they can be cheaper
Well, no … I got it later second hand, but the year of manufacture was my birth year. It’s impressive that they essentially worked for 25 years without any problems
IIRC, Model M requires strong typing (no pun intended), and I don't like that.
Can someone tell me why adding Foo in the call foo<Foo>(Derived) makes things magically work in the answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/5385355/…
I asked a related question which was an exact duplicate: stackoverflow.com/questions/9776119/…
19:38
@FredOverflow It builds finger strength! I now have the poking strength of 2 stooges.
@KonradRudolph Why would I spend 100$ on one keyboard that lasts 25 years when I can spend the same amount of money on 5-10 keyboards that last only a couple of years? ;)
@Pubby Does using a Model M count as working out?
@FredOverflow Hehe … well, I didn’t spend any money on it, I got it via my father from the enterprise he was working on, where they had been phased out
@FredOverflow Nah, it's actually really easy to press.
LOL, one key for the Model M already costs 5 Euro on eBay :)
@Pubby But Model M is really loud, isn't it?
Anyone?
19:41
@FredOverflow Yeah, but it makes you sound twice as productive
@Pubby lol
19:58
@ATemp the compiler wasn't able to deduce the template argument
So you need to specify it, yourself
You can always dispatch it using a SFINAE wrapper
hmmm
maybe I should stop reference counting my renderer resources and just say they live as long as the renderer object does?
@ATemp check this out for a very similar problem with a few solutions:
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A: operator<< overload for smart pointers

seheSome options, see the second live at https://ideone.com/26nqr Given #include <iostream> #include <memory> using namespace std; template<typename T> struct foo { virtual foo& operator<<(const T& e) const { std::cout << "check foo\n"; } }; ////// // der...

@DeadMG reference count in Debug with an assert, UB in release?
@MooingDuck haha
uh, why would I UB anything?
20:09
What’s missing for C++11 popularisation is a cleanly designed, C++11 coded Open Source project … now that we have GCC 4.7 and clang 3.1 around the corner, maybe it’s time to start this? …
Then again all my code is assert-happy
@KonradRudolph ? I don't exactly see how the premise holds
@KonradRudolph What's missing for C++11 popularisation? Nothing, it's already popular. The only thing holding back is implementation compatibility.
@sehe I get the distinct impression that for many programmers the features are too disconnected … this is (partly) why there are still so many void* programmers out there
@DeadMG I assumed you were using referenced counted renderer resources to guarantee that they lived as long as the renderer does. If so, you can remove the reference count in release, and simply say it's UB if they don't last as long as the renderer. If my assumption was incorrect, then so is my suggestion
20:11
@KonradRudolph void* was terrible in C++03, and that's not gonna change in C++11
@MooingDuck No, they're reference counted between uses. The renderer itself explicitly holds no references to loaded resources.
@DeadMG that explains why my suggestion wouldn't apply then
@KonradRudolph There's nothing missing for C++ popularisation, AFAICT. I see C# programmers taking an interest. You mean, like actual programs using it? That will block on UI frameworks. I don't see Qt, Wx, GtkMM being C++11-ified anytime soon, and rightly so: there is precious little reason to do so in practice
@DeadMG Yes but I think now is the best time ever to make this mentality die, especially by pushing C++11 in Universities and academia
@sehe Good points about UI projects …
you know what will solve this problem?
food
20:12
@KonradRudolph That's true. Academics might be the place for it. So, make Blitz++ C++11 ?
although I just ate
@DeadMG Just make them global, and they live forever ;)
@sehe Hmm, sounds like a good idea …
@KonradRudolph Or look ask @LucDanton about his work on a C++11 port of stuff in Fusion/MPL
But that is heavily geared to C++ infra (C++ for C++ sake) and less immediately applicable in practice
Wut D:
20:14
Hi
Did I wake you up
I'm confused.
@KonradRudolph by the way did you rename that repo that you linked to this morning? Lol. Good thing I cloned it right when you gave the link
Oh shit, I still have to decide between a Radeon HD 6450 and an Nvidia GT 520...
@LucDanton Paraphrasing, Konrad seems to be looking for projects to popularize C++11 in his university environment (@KonradRudolph fair reduction of scope?)
@FredOverflow What's hard about that? Just pick the nVidia for CUDA or otherwise the most silent one (which is also the most green one)
@sehe I don't think Konrad has a university environment, I think his target was "as many C++ programmers as possible"
@sehe I'd go straight for the quiet one myself :/
20:17
@sehe Yes, except that it’s not really “my” University environment. Although I’m still officially affiliated with the University of Cambridge, I currently don’t have anything to do with it …
@sehe Both cards are passively cooled, so I don't expect a lot of noise :)
but from what I remember University would be a quite fertile environment, and one that still uses mostly archaic (!) C++ …
huh, I've never heard of passively cooled cards before. I wonder how well that would work
They are very low end.
Anyone ever dealt with slow program startup time in cygwin? I built clang for it, and it's all working, but it takes like 3 seconds to start anything up.
` time clang -cc1 -version
LLVM (http://llvm.org/):
LLVM version 3.1svn
Optimized build.
Built Mar 19 2012 (11:04:06).
Default target: i386-pc-cygwin
Host CPU: penryn

real 0m3.195s
user 0m0.000s
sys 0m2.807s`
20:23
I don't really need 1GB of video ram on a low end card, right? :)
@FredOverflow that's good to hear
@sehe Are "CUDA cores" Nvidia specific and "Stream Processors" ATI specific?
@sehe lol
@CollinHockey sadly I suppose it would be a feature of windows.
@CollinHockey However, I'm quite sure rebasing all dlls might help:
it seems like a cygwin/windows issue, clang seems to bring out the worst in it
@FredOverflow yeah, they are
20:27
Why is this moderator chat room message so popular?
@StackedCrooked Why don't you pay them a visit. I wouldn't know, because (luckily) there are walls
no idea
@bamboon And what exactly do they mean? :) I guess the question is too broad...
apparently we want to know where the mods are so we can launch a counter-attack
@sehe Tried that, but it looks like I might have done it wrong :-P, I'll let you know
20:28
@FredOverflow well, you can compare them to your CPU cores.
@CollinHockey notice the ^^ angled arrow (inverted 'return')? You can use that to reply to specific messages instead of just saying '@person'
@sehe Keep forgetting to use that.. thanks
you can? I never knew that
I always click the message's arrow on th left side and "Reply To"
@sehe Unfortunately, no faster.. I'll keep looking
20:32
@DeadMG I'll remember that the next time you bitch about clumsy user interface :)
heh
well, tisn't my fault the chat turns the buttons off unless you mouse over the message, which I rarely ever do :P
@FredOverflow how many monitors are you using?
@bamboon just the one
Ok, guys, like I promised, I'm going to get back into a sleep rhythm. Right now, I must go sleep before I'm past the point of 'no-longer-tired' again
@FredOverflow then I would go with the nvidia one.
20:34
@bamboon Can it only handle one monitor?
@DeadMG Ah. That's the issue: it's the 'screen hunting' approach to using computers. Will always be slow. I don't care about what it shown. In fact, I don't care much about mice. Only because the SO Chat userscript doesn't WorkForMe every do I regularly use the mouse to reply. Otherwise: Ctrl-Up,Up,Up,R,type,Enter
@jalf Pingu, how are you?
@DeadMG or you can tweak the CSS and just make the icons stay
it's much faster because you don't actually have to know what you're looking for or where to look, assuming the screen actually displays the content :P
@FredOverflow no, actually all can probably handle 2 monitors, but if you want more ati eyefinity is the way to go, as the standard nvidia cards only have 2 "display units", there are some versions from some venders, which support more
20:38
I don't think I'll ever put more than 2 monitors on my table, but thanks :)
@DeadMG You're arguing that you are going to be faster because you don't have to apply knowledge? That would be true if you think slower than you eye-hand coordinate
@sehe More accurately, it depends on whether or not you actually have the knowledge in question.
For 10k+ users: shame about my comment, I believe:
(did I scare the user away, or did he/she notice this was a bit of a duplicate/non constructive)
well-done GUIs don't require foreknowledge to get a task done
@DeadMG True. But it would be rather ... suboptimal to keep working like that with a GUI that you use for hours every day.
20:40
eh
depends on the task
@DeadMG You never reply, I forgot
who is there to be confused about my lack of replying?
there's nobody else chatting right now
@DeadMG lighten up. I'm not saying you should :)
^^
that's lucky, cause even my parents can't get me to straighten up :P
@DeadMG You know, it's a habit - and it doesn't slow me down :)
20:42
no, but it does irritate me
lost me this time
I have to click that annoying thing to get it to go away whenever you reply to me
so if you reply to me, and it was unnecessary, then I'm like "Now I have to move my hand, a whole foot to the right, and move the mouse like an inch and click the button"
@DeadMG Duh. Just type a msg or hit Escape
typing a message doesn't always work
never tried Escape though
@DeadMG Woo there's a whole bunch of keys awaiting exploration :) Really, I'm always amazed that people don't automatically experiment with keys. It comes automatic for me
20:45
there's like, a hundred keys on my keyboard or something
it would take me forever to randomly hit them all in every random application
and half the time, I'd end up deleting something or something
not to mention the exponential amount of time it would take to find any action that requires a key combination
@DeadMG Lesson one: never fear to break things. You don't become zen master otherwise
Anyways, I agree with most of the substantial arguments you brought, and even agree that you usually bitch about the cases in which you need a GUI to help you find the way to accomplish a new/rare task
(see I didn't even plink you. Trying to lose the habit right now)
thanks, but I'd rather expend my time programming my code rather than fixing Chrome or my music library or something that worked fine beforehand :P
I broke Mercurial and it took me way too long to fix, I could have been playing Starcraft 2 in that time :P
right now I'm agonizing over having to re-write a bunch of my code, even though I know it has to be done
@DeadMG That's highly ironic, because half the time you're here you are busy fixing stuff like that, and it always makes me think: "I'm glad I settled on a working set of tools that work and don't spend time on it every darn day".
the time expended to actually learn Mercurial would be vastly in excess of the time I expended this time
Ell
Ell
hey guys
20:50
Know the tools to let your computer work for you, not vice versa - version control, temp. copies, isolated build envs, backups
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Q: The difference between X x(42) and X x = 42;

innochentiLet's say we have class X with defined constructor X(int value). Is this semantically equivalent or not? X x = 42; X x(42); I believe the difference will appear only if we add explicit keyword to constructor of X. Otherwize compiler will reduce expression X x = 42; to X x(42); Please, corre...

I swear this is a duplicate of some other question
But I can't find it
@DeadMG I wasn't talking about Mercurial
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a dup.
@sehe Mercurial is the only tool with which I actually struggle
probably because I run Windows and stick to the "use me" programs instead of the "develop me" programs
@DeadMG You really are an amazing person.
20:52
@EtiennedeMartel What? I'm a user, I use programs. The fact that I am also a developer and happen to develop with them is not really relevant, and I like programs that don't treat me like their bitch just because using them to develop instead of game or word process
I mean that I didn't think it was possible to actually have trouble using Mercurial.
I didn't have that much trouble with it
but Mercurial behaves kinda strangely w.r.t files and folders, and I broke Tortoise trying to perform a clone to remove some recent revisions :P
@DeadMG The rest is just for fun then. Grappling with S3, grappling with HTML, grappling with windows, never quite truly reinstalling it but still reinstalling it, grappling with ...
@sehe I didn't grapple with HTML at all. I had a problem, I didn't know the answer, I posted a question on SO, and an answer was express delivered to my doorstep
@sehe I’ve discovered in the mean time that my ostensible segfault is in reality something else which is (“abort trap: 6”) which is triggered when an expectation parser (a > b) fails
20:55
What is a developme program? I use... gvim, Opera, bash, chrome, Thunderbird. ... erm...
Oh skype. All of these are solid 'use-me' programs
Skype is the most annoying piece of crap ever
you just can't get it to shut up and go away when you don't want it
Ell
Ell
@DeadMG its better on linux than windows
@KonradRudolph You didn't catch the expectation_failure then. Aha.
@KonradRudolph kudos for using expectation points :) They make grammars more robust and (usually) (much) faster
… normally this should throw an expectation_failure which I catch (!) … for some reason, my code no longer catches this exception, even though this used to work
@DeadMG: There is a way to make the process go away without having to use Task Manager/Process Explorer.
20:56
@KonradRudolph Let me guess, you are using a grammar from another shared library?
@Insilico Well, it's been a while since I was last tortured by trying to use Skype, but it sure wasn't the "exit" button, from memory
in particular, I have even included a catch (...) in my code just to be sure, but even this doesn’t catch
@sehe Not from another shared library, but another (statically linked) object file
@KonradRudolph I had that problem on MSVC once, had to clean and rebuild.
You did mention that you used a unique_ptr-ed pimpl
@DeadMG: You have to right-click on the icon in the taskbar and select Quit
At least the newest versions do that
And the process goes away completely
20:57
@DeadMG Already tried the clean build, didn’t work unfortunately …
@KonradRudolph Check the exact compilation options to both. Also, I remember having to tweak with -fvisibility ... things but that could have been on AIX. What's your platform?
@sehe Platform is GCC 4.6.2 compiled without patches (!) on OS X 10.7.3
@KonradRudolph Does it work with everything compiled -O0?
Hmm, gonna check that
@sehe Uncatchable exceptions across binary delimitations is indeed a symptom of visibility issues when using GCC. Boos.Exception has an open issue regarding that.
20:59
It might be an optimization loophole/bug. Loophole would sort of imply throw() being used, I guess
Meh, Lion gets all the cool compilers while those stuck on Snow Leopard have to deal with GCC 4.2.
@LucDanton Thanks for confirming my loose 'reminition' (is that a word? too lazy to look it up).
@EtiennedeMartel Hah, don’t make me laugh!
I'm going to bed, it's final.
Lion gets nothing
zilch
21:00
Nigh all
@sehe Nope, doesn’t work either
night
g’night
I need to refactor my code, and it's gonna take forever :(
@DeadMG I hate that feeling, but it's so nice to get it done
21:02
true
the problem is that about five days after my previous refactor, I have another refactor
seems like I spend most of my time deleting existing code
@sehe Just so you’ve got something to read for breakfast, I’m not using throw() anywhere in my code … ;-)
@KonradRudolph Are you still interested in catching that exception?
@LucDanton Oh definitely
otherwise I would just swallow it in the other compilation unit
Try a release build then. Something like -O3 and possibly -flto if you can have that.
I’m beginning to suspect that this is an error specifically with this compiler version. I can’t remember this ever working on the current PC – the project was developed on another computer until a few weeks ago
21:05
hmmm
Hmm, worth a shot (FWIW I’m usually using -O3 anyway …)
@KonradRudolph Doesn't that kill build times?
@LucDanton Haha, with Spirit I’ve got other problems …
the renderer needs an octree to go from bounding box to list of render objects, and the sim needs an octree to go from the same bounding box to list of sim objects
That said, I can’t use -flto, I compiled without support for it
because it apparently doesn’t work in 4.6.2 on OS X
21:06
FWIW my release builds can catch exceptions where my debug builds can't, and I don't use LTO atm as it appears to wonk out.
Visibility options are the same in both cases so I'm not sure how that works, but ah well.
ok
I need to decide if I'm going to do a larger full 3D space RTS game, or a "space is flat" smaller 2D space RTS game
well, the exception actually isn’t my top priority … I want to fix my grammar and now that I know that the exception is probably caused by this exception, rather than a dangling reference somewhere in my grammar, I can continue
Okay, I've personally used that technique because I wanted to inspect an exception once.
21:11
@DeadMG Managing units on a 3D space is nigh impossible on a computer screen
Homeworld did it OK, I think
Guess I haven't played that one, I'm thinking sins of a solar empire (which was flat) had very nice control
not really the same feel
SoaSE was a series of small locales
I mean, supposedly it takes place in space, but the actual playable regions were pretty small
I'm thinking of something much bigger
the thing is, then I'd have to have super-duper octree collision, instead of just consuming 10MB of RAM and easymoding it
and frustrum culling and stuff
21:21
Hmm, I think I'm gonna spend a little more money on the graphics card and get a HD 6670 for 80 Euro. I don't really need the "power", but who knows, maybe I'll take up gaming soon? :)
GPGPU computing is an interesting hot field right now
Too hot a field for a passively cooled card? ;)
lol
nice
speaking of gaming, I'm going to stop thinking now and go do some gaming
Are there any 3D Linux games besides Tux Racer? :)
damn, I wish I had time to play more ME3
21:26
Linux is an incredibly small minority of the gaming market, so I wouldn't really know
0
Q: How fast is dynamic_cast<>

Jonas Byström... approximately compared to a typical std::string::operator==()? I give some more details below, I'm not sure if they are of any relevance. Answer with complexity or approximation is good enough. Thanks! Details: I will use it inside a for loop over a list to find some specific instances. I es...

^ Does that mean I'm currently grumpy?
@FredOverflow um... I believe most of the quake games are available on linux. And, uuuuh....
@jalf Oh cool, I loved Quake 3 Arena.
@FredOverflow I learned to type on old-fashioned mechanical typewriters. Hence I tend to hammer keyboards to smithereens. I suspect that gaming activity might have about the same effect...
And there's always Wine, I heard even Diablo 3 runs on Wine.
21:28
practically every game I've ever heard of does not run correctly on WINE
@DeadMG s/every/no/ and s/not//
I mean, I presume it must run some games correctly, but I've never heard of any
from what I've heard/seen it runs plenty of games correctly
well, for a suitable definition of "plenty"
anyway, I'd better get some sleep
21:46
lol
"troll" is just troll, i'm not sure what "hättan" means.
"The name Trollhättan is translated as "Troll's bonnet". The latter part "hätta" could also mean mountain top." - Wikipedia
^ This is just north of Trondheim, in Norway
The place name is Hell. The picture is from the (old) railway station. "Gods expedition" means the place handling freight and packages, don't know what that is in English?
Hell is a village in Norway. While there's very little to see there, except for an annual blues festival in September, it's always fun to get a picture of yourself outside Gods Expedition (freight forwarding office). A great climbing site can be found. Understand The name Hell stems from the Old Norse word hellir, which means "overhang", "cliff cave". The Norwegian word hell can also mean "luck". The Old Norse word Hel is the same as today's English Hell, and as a proper noun, Hel was the ruler of Hel. In modern Norwegian the word for hell is helvete Get in Hell is adjacent to Trondhe...
freightfully quit here today
ow hell
21:59
helo
oh hello
i think you were here yesterday also, is that right?
is "john smith" a real name? i know it is the most common name. still, it's unusual to see it!
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: youtube.com/watch?v=dTCNwgzM2rQ [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
22:21
@FredOverflow Dwarf Fortress has 3D!
@CheersandhthAlf haha nice comment
but yeah, hell or hall (with two dots over the a) is not a bad word in scandinavian langs
hell can be the stove for example
"fan" is for example a word for satan in swedish
:D
well, i learned as a kid, on vacation, that norwegian "is" (for ice-cream) doesn't work in sweden. then later i learned that norwegian "eliminator" (for a mains adapter) doesn't work in england. it's like every country has its own language!
cheers
you seems to be a very briliant man
thanks
i wish i was
:-)
and a swede would understand u if u wanted is
or isglass
ispinne
so that's not really true
22:35
maybe they just pretended not to understand
yeah. we dont like norway
he he
:D
but i think swedish meatballs at IKEA are very nice. and cheap! and free bus to IKEA and back!
^ Norwegian Jahn Teigen (lead vocals here) is one of the few (the only?) who has managed to get 0 points in the Eurovision Song Contest. So he let out on the Swedes. Maybe.
Is that popular in Scandinavia?
No, it's very old. I think it was popular in Norway for a few weeks in the middle 1970's?
i miss sweden
we dont have ikea in nz
:(
22:45
^ The norwegian wikipedia article about it, translated to english by google
Would it be weird to write a resume in HTML?
latex
ye
s
@Maxpm What you write it in is not really relevant.
^ Check out Jahn Teigen's entrance here. (It's his first Eurovision Song Contest appearance, in 1978)
22:55
@Maxpm latex is pretty much like html and it looks nicer imo

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