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00:00
not much, I should go to bed
<3
have a good night, then
oh I will
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The only time I had to face really bad air quality was a week when there was a giant forest fire.
I'll dream of MFC
user406009
You really couldn't go outside.
user406009
00:00
It sucked.
MFC that I have to write tomorrow
:(
London's air quality isn't that great either, but it doesn't compare to HK
I'm late again
LA is actually pretty smoggy too
Ah, forest fires. Those natural disasters which will forever alter your association with the smell of burning wood
shocking I know
00:01
very shocking
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@TonyTheLion Not bad in the suburbs though.
good night tony the broclam
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@TonyTheLion Good night.
@Lalaland yea mainly DTLA
@TonyTheLion Not nearly like it used to be though.
user406009
00:02
I still think the most hilarious natural disasters are wind storms.
@JerryCoffin Yes, I was told it used to be way worse
user406009
Everything just gets sorta fucked up.
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Trees are lying around.
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Power is cut.
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00:03
And they just come out of nowhere.
user406009
It's interesting to just walk through the neighborhood and look around.
super Tuesday ... because it's no longer Monday, thus super? :p
soup tuna's day
@jaggedSpire funny man video 1, funny man video 2 :) i thought you might like
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@Telkitty It's a good chunk of the primary elections.
@TonyTheLion First time I saw LA I was truly shocked. Admittedly, I was a teenager, and had grown up in South Dakota. The biggest city I'd seen before was around sixty thousand people. And yes, we saw things on the news telling us about smog, but it was lousy preparation for actually experiencing it first-hand.
00:05
@JerryCoffin wow that sounds like it was pretty bad
@TonyTheLion That was probably around the worst it ever got though (hmm...must have been 1979 or 1980, I guess).
user406009
Nowadays we have must stricter emissions standards and specialized fuel mixes to reduce smog.
user406009
Of course people complain a lot because our gas is more expensive.
@Borgleader Thank you! :)
user406009
And there are always people trying to cheat the smog tests.
00:07
China is like way behind on that
and companies :P
@Lalaland Not only trying--succeeding.
Cleaning up its act on the environment
Move to Tasmania ... it's cheap with clean environment
can't beat 'em, find a cave & dodge
@TonyTheLion I think some of that is kind of an illusion. Some things we (first world) use are made in ways that aren't very eco-friendly. We used to make them ourselves, and now we've gotten China to (literally) do the dirty work, then blame them for the result. If we don't like it, we need to figure out better ways of build them, or alternatives that can be made more economically (or, often, just be willing to pay a little extra for the same things).
00:10
^
We exported all the shit we didnt want to do to China
Once I went to a world heritage national park for holiday in China, and there was a thick fog ... did I say fog? I mean smog.
Still puzzling about why there was a smog in the national park because it's in the middle of no where
probably got blown that way
with enough smog at the origin anywhere downwind is gonna be smoggy for miles and miles
@thecoshman Lol non, far from that.
@Morwenn lol non, how adorably french of you <3
Oh, I let that one slip :x
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00:20
@JerryCoffin My mother actually used to work for the department where they did the investigations.
Ignore <stdnoreturn.h>, <stdatomic.h>, and <threads.h>?
SF F N A SA
18 4 1 0 0
user406009
The state has a rather sophisticated team of undercover investigators and whatnot.
Deprecate <ccomplex>?
Unanimous yes.

Deprecate <ctgmath>?
Unanimous yes.
true, but it's nearly 100km away from the next major city
Provide Annex K functions under the macro dance, including in std::?
SF F N A SA
0 1 6 8 4
00:21
hopefully C won't ever introduce <omplex.h>
Greatest win so far /o/
Rebase onto C11?
SF F N A SA
15 9 1 0 0
user406009
What do each of those initials mean?
user406009
SF = Strong Favor?
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SA = Strong Against?
Strongly For
For
Neutral
Against
Strongly Against
00:23
San Francisco, Something Awful
user406009
Ah, that makes sense.
user406009
@LucDanton That wouldn't make any sense. Those are both describing the same thing.
user406009
I wish all the cool tech companies in SF would abandon ship and move somewhere more reasonable.
user406009
Where you actually afford apartments without a bajillion roomates.
00:34
Apparently the only changes introduced by referencing the C11 library instead of the C99 are a few additions to floating point macros, std::timespec and friends, and std::aligned_alloc.
@LucDanton San Francisco, San Antonio.
@Lalaland Oh, not all--just enough to make it reasonable again. If they all moved, it'd just move the problem, not fix it.
@JerryCoffin Only if they all moved to the same place.
user406009
@JerryCoffin The solution is simple. Build taller buildings.
user406009
We have the technology
@Lalaland Traffic in SF is already horrendous, and taller buildings wouldn't help that at all. To deal with it, you really need high-speed subways, but given SF's frequency of earthquakes, that's problematic too (yes, we probably have the technology to build them, but getting people to trust that they're safe is a lot harder).
00:41
SF isn't like Chicago or NYC. The subway system doesn't exist. And when it does, it's usually on strike because the workers wanna get paid as much as the techies.
So you need to take the bus - which are usually armored vehicles designed to bounce off any bricks that are thrown at them.
@Mysticial But much of the attraction is having a lot of cool companies in a relatively small area. You need them fairly dense to get the support structure for many of those startups to exist. Spread them out too far, and many can't stay in business, and the rest lose a lot of their attractiveness.
user406009
@Mysticial Yes, but the reason why they feel they need to strike is the high cost of living.
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Which, in large part, is due to the high cost of housing.
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@JerryCoffin What sort of "support structure" are we talking about here?
Supposedly they were gonna try automating the subway system. But the workers managed to sue their way out of it. So of all places in world, SF - the place with the most techies have the most low-tech transit system.
user406009
00:45
These people usually aren't developing hardware. There are no "suppliers" or "workshops" that they need access too.
@Lalaland Not really--BART workers actually make a lot relative to the required education and such. A couple years ago, I was there during a BART strike and talked to some of the striking workers. Talking privately and definitely off the record, they agreed that the strike was silly and they already made plenty.
@JerryCoffin I don't know if I remember the number off the top of my head correcly. But Bart workers make like 70k+ a ton of benefits.
@Lalaland Other companies that provide a lot of services that let startups concentrate on what they want to do instead of getting buried in administration and such.
user406009
Hmm, blog.vctr.me/bart claims to have some data.
@Lalaland If those numbers are true, that's kinda high.
Higher than I thought.
Really... the guys in the middle make more than 100k?
Why the fuck do the mechanics make less than station agents?
Fuck this shit.
00:51
@Mysticial Looks about right--median over $100K.
user406009
@JerryCoffin The story I usually hear is that they go to SF as that's where the investors live.
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And the investors like to personally watch over their investments.
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But that's just hearsay. I don't really know.
@JerryCoffin Now I see why my mom was so pissed off at Bart.
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00:52
Yeah, I admit that some of the Bart salaries seem quite high compared to the education requirements.
And how Google should buy Bart, fire everyone and replace them with robots.
At least that was the joke we floated around while I worked there.
user406009
Why doesn't Google just leave then SF then?
user406009
Most of the employees would save a lot of money.
user406009
The company itself would save a ton.
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I mean, I guess they sorta are with all their new offices in new locations.
00:55
@JerryCoffin 100k is about entry level tech salary...
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@Mysticial Not in SF. At least when I was last there.
user406009
100K is now intern pay level.
geez...
@Mysticial Yeah--people straight out of high school start at 75-80K or so, and by the time the tech guy finishes college, the BART guy is making >100K, and has no college loans to pay off either.
@Lalaland wtf
00:57
I'm going to sleep. See you tomorrow :)
@JerryCoffin That sounds like a good deal! :P
FFS
@Morwenn night
Time to start a GOOD morning with Cancer News
@Lalaland From what I know (admittedly, more hearsay than exactly fact) the investors have just created a somewhat different business model. In essence you have one big company with the investor as its CEO--but many of the companies are small enough that they aren't subject to regulations on large companies, so he can (for example) lay off a few hundred people without paying nearly the fees he'd have to if it was done as a single lay off at what was officially a single company.
@HubertApplebaum ...or maybe Sagittarius news?
@JerryCoffin Off the top of my head, I can name several friends in the medical industry who are basically fucked up with (student) debt.
So a Google car crashes into a bus and suddenly buses are the worst transportation mode ever
user406009
01:02
@JerryCoffin Also, the individual startups can probably go bankrupt without hurting the investors too much, which is probably helpful.
user406009
Unlike if it was just one company.
@Mysticial :(
Ok guys quick question
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@Mysticial MDs?
01:04
A lot of those guys fell into the Asian mentality trap of, "doctors make a lot of money". And now they're all fucked. I'm glad my own parents had some sense in them to let me pursue something I actually liked - such as CS.
So I'm trying to port some Gamecube Controller code from C++ to Java and I see this (endpoint->bEndpointAddress & LIB_USB_ENDPOINT_IN)
Which I'm assuming that operation is doing a bitwise and operation
ANd using the int to bool converter, is this correct?
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@Mysticial Hah, that makes me laugh. I'm in the process of applying to medical school "for the money" even though I enjoy CS more.
> DO NOT REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL
make me
@HubertApplebaum They will find you if you do
beware
01:06
@MarfGamer it's doing a bitwise and yes
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@MarfGamer Yep.
if the result is non zero it's true otherwise it's false
@Lalaland To be fair, I make it sound funny. But it's actually pretty depressing.
it's also using hungarian notation so I suggest you set that code on fire
01:07
@HubertApplebaum Probably--but depending on the types of the operands, that & could be overloaded to do something entirely different, too.
So doing if((endpoint->bEndpointAddress * LibUsb.ENDPOINT_IN) == 0x01) would be the correct code for java?
lol triple nested loop
*endpoint.bEndpointAddress() &
@HubertApplebaum 3-star programmer?
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@Mysticial That doesn't seem to make much sense though. Did they chose the wrong specialty? Current physician salaries for most specialties are twice or three times the competing CS salaries.
user406009
01:09
And that's when you look at "SF tech salaries"
@JerryCoffin given the quality of that code I highly doubt they are even aware operator overloading is even a thing
Thanks for the help guys :D
@Lalaland First, not all of them actually wanted to go into medical. But they were pressured by parents to go medical because "it makes a lot of money". Secondly, the student debt problem is mostly a millennial thing. The parents who did that pressuring didn't have that during their days. So they were misguided from experience. Lastly, the ones who did survive school can't find a fucking a job to pay off that debt with.
user406009
Yeah, if you drop out or don't actually go through with it you sorta get messed up with the debt.
> pressured by parents
good job on fucking up your kid's life
user406009
01:11
The specialties are also sorta a game. There is an oversupply of some of them.
100% positive they will love you for that
So me, being one of the more rebellious kids among our group of family/friends, find myself near the top of that stupid "status ladder", and everyone's like, WTF?!?!?!
Just because I got a fucking job at Google.
I thought it was a programming job
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@HubertApplebaum I think you are being too cruel.
user406009
They just want what's best for their kids.
01:13
they're dumb af and should be shot
I'm getting outputs 2 and -127
Odd
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@Mysticial The counter argument is that there is a serious risk of CS oversupply in the coming years.
@MarfGamer technically 2 is even
I was thinking since the adapter had two USB ports, I was assuming each one was for 2 GC ports
But when I unplugged one I still got the same results
user406009
At every single level of education you are seeing a huge push towards CS.
01:14
maybe in the US
user406009
Elementary school, middle school, high school, college, post grad education, and even bootcamp like things are all turning focus on CS.
Not my experience in France and HK
CS is mocked in HK
Now if I check it is 0x00, I get an input and an output
The output at -127 and the input at 2
"What do you do" "Software engineer" "Haha oh so you make iOS and Android apps? Haha! Well I'm in finance!"
if only they knew
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Articles are constantly coming out about this sort of thing.
I have personal finance in 9th grade
The lectures are really short, we spend like 10 minutes on each one and the rest of the period doing our own thing
@Lalaland It depends. They do make a lot of money. They also start out with massive debt. So, for the first five to ten years out of school, they can barely afford to eat, not to mention making enough to do much else. On the other hand, (assuming they can find a job at all) they're working 90 hour weeks, so they don't really have time to do anything else anyway. Then, when they're in their 40s, the debts are paid off, and almost overnight they go from broke, to having a lot of money.
@HubertApplebaum I have one friend who (from parental pressure) went medical and fell into that trap. He eventually did a code academy crash course and found a job for 100k. That turned out pretty well. Until the parents started getting nosy and started asking about me...
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@JerryCoffin The excess working hours during residency have been somewhat dealt with.
@Mysticial Why, did you guys date
user406009
01:19
@JerryCoffin Also, you can pay off your debts much earlier than that.
@HubertApplebaum No. It's just the stupid Asian culture/competitive thing.
Ah yes
THE internet
@Mysticial Speaking of which why don't you apply to work in HK/SG or Tokyo even
@HubertApplebaum I was already in finance at that point. But someone (not my parents) leaked a number that wasn't entirely true. And it sorta "spreads like wildfire" and before long the fucking rumors start appearing. That kind of bullshit happened when I moved to Chicago.
What number was it e or pi
problem is the finance salaries are completely unfair to the rest of CS
it's not really comparable and popele don't realise that
also work hours :+1: and STRESS
It's also very secretive.
01:26
speaking of secretive
should I go for breakfast yes/no
@Mysticial get a job yet? last i heard you had a billion interviews lined up.
@HubertApplebaum yes
Yeah. I picked one of the two offers I had.
Turning down the other one was probably the hardest thing in the entire interview process.
still in shitcargo?
Cool, a) do you have to move b) when you starting?
01:27
inb4 NDA
I haven't picked a date yet. But it'll be in the March/April-ish time frame.
Ah, so a few weeks of "vacation" left
Yeah. Up until now, there hasn't been any real rest with all the interviewing.
I'm gonna use these last few weeks to finish up my NumberFactory project on Github and see if I can push that out on Pi day.
At pi hour
Also what happened to your thread pool
inb4 NDA
01:32
Nothing. I fixed that bug and it's done.
Non-Disclosure Alexander
is this 1990?
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@Mysticial If we are both going to be in Chicago over the summer it would be cool to have lunch with you one time or something.
@HubertApplebaum If you want more details on the thread pool, I have some benchmarks on a 56-vcore box with my Pi program.
@Lalaland sure!
01:34
@Mysticial O.O 56
you have the coolest toys
The guy said that he does notice a difference in the thread worker randomization.
@Borgleader Not mine.
*access to the
:P
Snrk.
@ThePhD Hey bby <3
On smaller computations where there's little work and limited parallelism, randomization hurts performance. For the larger ones with larger work units and greater parallelism, randomization helps. The difference is on the order of 1 - 3%.
On my 8-core box (16 vcores), I didn't see a goddamn difference at any size.
01:37
> #MakeDonaldDrumpfAgain
247K Tweets
John Oliver OP
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@Borgleader There are now a ton of anti-John Oliver stuff from Trump supporters.
@HubertApplebaum When I fixed the deadlocking bug and booted a few mutexes off the critical path, he did notice that the pool got slightly faster with respect to the Windows Pool. But at sufficiently large sizes, the Windows pool still wins on his 56-vcore box.
The Windows pool never wins at any size for my 8 and 16 vcore boxes. lol
@Lalaland s/Trump supporters/idiots/
@Borgleader /racists
that too
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01:42
@Mysticial He does have the vast majority of racist supporters.
user406009
They have done studies.
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Let me see if I can find one ...
@Lalaland How dare you accuse me of exaggerating? Why, if I ever did that, the entire earth would be punished with earthquakes, plagues, and the sun refusing to shine!
Question.
@ThePhD Answer.
01:42
> Can you pay off your debts by being racist?
@Mysticial lol 56
p sure we don't have more than 24 cores
maybe 16 even
user406009
"Trump, definitely not racist, but number 1 with racists."
@HubertApplebaum Dual 14-core Haswell with HT.
01:46
@Mysticial crazy
It's worth nothing that 56 cores is a particularly bad number since it's slightly less than a power of two.
Does Sublime Text make you pay for a license with every new version?
user406009
@ThePhD Technically, you never need to buy a license.
user406009
> Upgrade Policy
A license is valid for Sublime Text 3, and includes all point updates, as well as access to prior versions (e.g., Sublime Text 2). Future major versions, such as Sublime Text 4, will be a paid upgrade.
01:48
I'm disappointed there isn't like a 1 hour video of a woman with a sexy british voice saying random things
That's my kink
Is it worth it, getting a license?
@Shoe Have you tried watching Anime? :P
2 days ago, by Morwenn
And trust us, we're generally well-versed in Japanese anime fetishes.
@Mysticial Anime usually have american dubs :(
@ThePhD Depends if you like this editor enough to buy it and support the devs
Buh.
01:50
@Shoe Watch Harry Potter? Hermione is pretty hot.
@ThePhD Depends if you're a nigger and you'd steal a bike
@Borgleader Can't stand that girl, sorry
There's no additional functionality that gets added if you register, other than a window reminding you to register every Ctrl+S in a while that doesn't exist in registered version
70 USD to not be nagged while Ctrl + S the fuck out of my documentation...
@ThePhD use Atom instead ;)
What
Atom isn't stillborn?
are you a javascript drug injector
A javascript syringe.
there exists an open-source spiritual successor to ST, but it's in very beta
lametext it is
they don't even distribute binaries, that's how beta they are
user406009
@Shoe Subs > dubs.
^ this
> written in go
01:59
^^
dubs = shit
user406009
The problem is the quality of the voice actors.
user406009
The dubs have lower budgets and get worse voice actors.
yo chinese accent ain't no british accent bae
user406009
I might be crazy, but I swear the quality matters.
user406009
02:00
The worse ones just don't transfer the emotion as well.
@Lalaland You are crazy, but quality matters anyway.
user406009
Not the mention the shenanigans they have to do to make the lip syncing work.
user406009
The only dub worth watching is Ghost Stories.
@Lalaland That's the biggest part about dubs that make them suck. Unless you're as popular as Pokemon, they're not gonna redo the lip syncing for a dub.
02:02
@Lalaland Maybe of Anime. Run Lola Run is worth watching, even though it's a dub. German is a lot more like English though...
From what I understand of Anime production, the voicing is done first. That way they can do the lip-syncing later. I may be wrong though.
It's difficult to tell the seiyu to sync to the anime. So they do it the other way around.
This 1million Nonius benchmark has been running for over 8 hours.
There's no incremental output so if I kill it now I lose everything.
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@Mysticial I am always impressed with how high the animation quality for anime is.
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It tends to be so much better than our western animation.
02:13
Lol.
@Lalaland You need to watch more South Park. Now that's quality animation!
@JerryCoffin Lucky Luke is best western animation
@Rapptz Did you buy a Sublime Text 3/2 License?
Huh. So you just power through the nag?
user406009
02:19
@ThePhD It actually doesn't pop up that much.
Welp.
on the other hand: ghost stories
I need to watch that show sometime
just dusted my laptop. Let's see if it overheats less now
With one of those air cans?
yeah
so far it appears to be handling chrome better
which was actually what made it overheat earlier :|
chrome had nothing to do with it, its all those damn cookies youre baking
02:29
>_>
Lmao.
I'm only making ~114M/second
ffs
how did you do that
im at 13M
Efficiency.
02:31
~Cookie Monster~
at this point it's a matter of clicking on the appropriately colored icon
a strategy which apparently pays massive dividends
and I have no regrets because I did the vanilla version before for weeks on end my first run-through with this horrible, horrible game
i should really sleep now T_T
user406009
@Borgleader The endless Lounge dilemma.
user406009
To sleep or not sleep. That is the question.
then journey onwards towards yon mattress
You should.
But do you really want to?
02:38
yes
Is not the camaraderie here pleasing?
imagine how you'll feel tomorrow if you're tired
Great.
it's occasionally awful to do the responsible adult thing, but beds are comfy anyway
user406009
02:39
Staying up late is like borrowing happiness from tomorrow.
user406009
There is always interest.
imagine how it would feel, to sink into your mattress with the covers nestled around you
snug and warm this winter's night
user406009
Heh, winter.
user406009
Winter doesn't exist in California
if I were convincing you I wouldn't be using winter. :P
know thy audience and all that
you could fall asleep as a burrito!
user406009
02:41
I would pay so much for an anti-sleep pill.
they even sell it in liquid form, in a variety of excellent flavors
user406009
Caffeine doesn't count.
user406009
Those side effects.
this is much better. I should have dusted ages ago
02:46
@jaggedSpire in the mass effect universe a duster is a drug addict.
@Borgleader heh
and on that totally irrelevant fact
good night!
@Borgleader night
user406009
Lol.
s IT BEGINS.
user406009
02:51
So, my mother just asked me to help her scan something.
@Borgleader Night.
user406009
It turns out she was trying to email a document to someone by printing it out, scanning it in, and then emailing the scanned image.
user406009
I thought people were joking when they said old people do that.
yeeeeah
I think they get it from people who send documents that need signing. If you don't keep a copy of your signature you can't edit it in, and you don't have some digital drawing mechanism the simplest way of providing a signature is, well, printing it out and scanning it back in.
I assume they just choose to remember the one way that works with all requirements even though it's unnecessary most of the time
@ThePhD needs more hipster fonts
02:58
@Borgleader I so wanted to come back with an advertisement for Best Western hotels that used animation, but as far as I can tell, they've never made one (or else I suck at searching on YT).
@ThePhD Looks nice

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