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21:00
@sehe yeah, you can check out uBlock Origin instead
@sehe I use privacy badger, it's a good extension
@thecoshman hmm C++ interview
@MadaraUchiha Why?
brush up on your C quickly
21:00
@MadaraUchiha I have never used it
@Puppy They slow the page because lots of uneeded CSS
Also, ad tech bribe them for whitelist
personally
I have an excessively powerful CPU anyway and a bit of extra CSS doesn't bother me in the slightest
@AlexM. oh we'll see about that
way better than getting infected with a virus and having all my money stolen
or my BIOS infected
ITT puppy doesn't realize CSS comes over the network
21:01
@Puppy Use a hosts file
a what
To block all the bad domains
@Puppy A hosts file maps hosts to IP address on the machine level
then I'd have to actually know all of the bad domains
Allows you to bypass DNS
@Puppy Luckily someone already did that for you
@sehe It's fine
21:02
1 min ago, by Madara Uchiha
That ^ or https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts
@MadaraUchiha It'll be out of date in about two seconds flat.
@Puppy You can install uBlock Origin
Same effect, auto updates.
But the main difference is that a hosts file can't be bribed or negotiated with
AdBlock companies and extensions can.;
AdBlock Plus gets payment from ad companies asking to be whitelisted.
Most other similar extensions do the same
I have uBlock, not sure about uBlock Origin
well tbf, the user that provides the host file can be bribed
uBlock Origin, currently, does not.
21:04
switched from Adblock when they got bought up
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“@macfixer: *clicks link* *sees this* *closes tab* https://t.co/yZ1MnUazub” EXACTLY.
@Puppy What I heard about uBlock is that it was an earlier version of Origin that's gone rogue.
uBlock Origin ftw.
Much more comprehensive than AdBlock.
I'd switch.
uBlock Origin exists because the original developer got fed up with the attitude of the maintainer that inherited the project
21:05
uBlock Origin is, at this point, the best out there
It also blocks ads on YouTube which is a big plus (dunno is ABP and others do that)
ABP did the time I used it
I've entirely forgotten that YouTube ads even exist
I used to feel bad about blocking ads and "taking away" revenue from publishers
But then: 1. most publishers out there are garbage that monetize content that can't even be considered "content"
2. Ads are getting more and more annoying
3. I just don't care anymore.
@MadaraUchiha Why the hell not :P
21:07
honestly it's an impossible situation for ad companies to win
the user has complete control over their browser
I manage my own whitelist, for ads I don't mind showing or are useful
you can't force their computer to do as you request
@Puppy Had ad companies been more subtle, they wouldn't be in such a bind now
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@Puppy You mum has no control over her browser.
And they're in a major bind, when apple is considering adding a default adblock to their iPhone browser.
21:08
@sbi No, but she can call me up and ask me what to do about the ads
@MadaraUchiha I thought they already did?
@MadaraUchiha Really curious now where you work.
@caps Taboola.
@Puppy Don't think it's out there yet
Else I'd probably be out of a job by now :D
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@Puppy So does mine.
Over the last decade, I got her trained so that nowadays she mostly calls me before the excrement hit the air condition.
@MadaraUchiha I think you will be soon enough
@Puppy That's very possible.
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21:10
> Get Quality Traffic to Your Content‎
Oh my. Is your family that starved?
When browsers started shipping with popup blockers, all those thousands of companies meant only to annoy users died instantly.
@sbi I don't agree with them ideologically. But it is a great place to work in.
Interesting problems, interesting people
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@MadaraUchiha Doesn't compute. ("You are an asshole, but a great guy.")
Also, to be fair, our "recommendations" aren't nearly as obnoxious as most other ad companies out there
personally
I just don't think that ad companies serve a useful purpose
I've yet to witness any advertisement that actually added value to the page
@MadaraUchiha I'm testing this now. If it works a bit - might as well use that (since I only just started blocking in the first place)
21:13
@sbi I personally think that the entire culture of "I'll steal create content and blow it up with ads to make moneyz" is ugly as hell.
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@Puppy They add value by enabling the page to exist.
Make ad companies handle your contents and blocking the ads will also block the actual contents x)
@Puppy SO's ads are pretty good.
@Lalaland ...and get served (again, at all).
It's one of maybe two sites I've ever clicked on ads on.
21:14
@Lalaland They don't really enable the page to exist. That's just wishful thinking.
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@Puppy Many useful tools and companies wouldn't exist without ads.
@Puppy Most publishers' revenue model is these ads.
So they kind of do.
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Google search, SO, etc, etc.
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@MadaraUchiha Yeah. There'*s other business models that are, IMNSHO, ugly as hell. Like making landmines, raping kids, etc. Which is why I wouldn't work for such companies.
what would enable the page to exist is if people actually clicked on the ads
which I didn't before I started blocking them
21:14
@sbi vOv we all set the bar somewhere.
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@Puppy Ads are not just about clicks. There is also the idea of brand awareness.
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@Morwenn You have just described what newspapers basically are.
@Lalaland Can't say that I actually remember any brand that advertised on any site I've been on.
@sbi Right.
I don't really mind working for an ad company (we're not officially an ad company, we're a "recommendation" company), I block ads, but as long as we don't do too many evils (and we don't, honest!) I don't really mind working there if it's interesting and challenging.
21:15
I kinda prefer the older model where, when I need something, I go looking for a good product/deal.
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@MartinJames Would you be willing to give up every modern ad supported service though?
@MartinJames So you think SO (for example) should be a subscription service?
@JerryCoffin SO's business model isn't really dependant on ads.
SO's business model is mostly Careers.
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A subsidised dentist bought a Ferrari "so that he could visit his patients."
@Lalaland Certainly not! I'm merely willing to let other people pay for them:)
21:18
@MadaraUchiha ...which is basically a form of advertising (advertising jobs to people on SO, and advertising people on SO to employers). Don't get me wrong: I don't particularly object to that (I got my current job through Careers), but it's still basically a form of advertising.
@JerryCoffin Well even a very small fee would remove 99.9% of bad questions, so I'm not sure...
@Puppy Ads work for a lot of people. That doesn't mean they have an effect on you.
The main problem is that adtech as a whole is that they got too greedy with the monetization
Rather, just because they don't affect you doesn't mean they affect no one.
So they make ads that pop more, more clickbait, more distracting from the actual content
21:19
@caps They work so well, users are blocking them in droves
It got so annoying that a lot of people decided to block them
And now that trend is unstoppable.
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@MadaraUchiha My compromise is at what I call "the equivalent of producing hammers", I would not produce what I call "the equivalent of a gun": A hammer can be used to build houses, tools to make food, etc., but also to build canons, atomic bombs, and to make a dent in your neighbor's skull. There are good uses for guns (like getting food), but they are a lot fewer. Working in ads would be the equivalent of producing waylaying equipment.
@Puppy Particularly in Germany.
@JerryCoffin I got my job through careers too.
@MartinJames I'd guess it would remove at least 99.9% of good questions and answers as well though--and I'd guess the Lounge, for any practical purpose, wouldn't exist (though looking at it that way, you're probably right: it would be a good thing).
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@Lalaland In a heartbeat.
21:20
hi
@sbi Almost, because our widget is a recommendation (we saw that you read this article, here are others you may like)
Our widget almost exclusively appears at the bottom of the article.
We don't distract you while you read, we don't freeze the page and demand your like on Facebook
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@MadaraUchiha I hate these.
@sbi I disagree that working in adtech is that bad.
(but I also work in adtech)
@sbi vOv block us then.
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@caps Whodda thought?
21:21
@MadaraUchiha I hate those widgets everywhere I see them...
@MadaraUchiha Yeah. Hollywood did that to me with DVD DRM. I bought a new machine and found out that I could not play any of my large, legal, paid-full-price-for, receipts-in-a-drawer DVD film collection. I scrapped my DVD's and installed uTorrent.
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@MadaraUchiha Either my adblocker blocks it, or I close the page when I get across it.
I use an adblocker, but I wouldn't if so many sites didn't have onerous ads.
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@MartinJames >insert appropriate Oatmeal comic here<
I think that the last time we did the survey
21:22
SO's ads are not onerous at all. Most of the time I don't notice they are there.
We got somewhere around 15~20% of all users using an adblock
Those are huge figures.
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@caps Especially with an adblocker. (I didn't even know they had ads.)
@sbi There's only one I can remember. It's for SO careers. It says "Work. From home." And has a picture of a puppy. That's it.
Ads that try to take over my browsing screen and/or start playing in the background piss me off.
@sbi I had 600+ DVD's. I packed up the lot in boxes and dumped them for recycling.
do you put rent in the bills & utilities category
hmm
21:23
But some sites do that with their actual content. So obnoxious. Not really a thing that's unique to ads.
@caps Ads that start playing music. eye twitch
@sbi If memory serves, they voluntarily block (at least most) ads for anybody with rep over 10K (or some number well below what you have, anyway).
@JerryCoffin 1k
@MadaraUchiha Yeah. Terrible.
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@caps Ah. I don't consider SO Career ads as bad. It's a site-owned business related to what they do.
21:25
@sbi I don't consider ads, as ads, to be bad. They pay for the publisher to display their content without the user having to give up any $$.
@MadaraUchiha yup me too. I was a principled refuser (refusing to block). But I got convinced by the sheer number of privacy attack-vectors that are dominated by ad networks
@MartinJames Exactly.
When did game piracy drop significantly?
I consider ads that detract from the user's experience to be bad.
By now - it's sad - the bad apples spoil the bunch: you'd be naive to not care about your privacy at all
And I hate the way that advertisers, ad companies, publishers, etc. all collude to invade the privacy of the viewers.
21:26
When Steam and co came along and offered easy, legal and cheap alternatives. People don't like to pirate, most people don't like to block ads and withhold revenue, it's just too annoying otherwise.
TBH, I'd forgotten about the SO ads that you get with low rep. Must be hell for the one-account-per-question students. Shame.
@MartinJames It's not hell. I'm a couple rep below 400 and I barely notice them.
@caps lol, lots of publishers don't even care about user experience
@MadaraUchiha It had already dropped a lot before Steam came along.
@caps I have changed my mind (after years, you can ask everyone on here that ever watched my stream for proof), not because of the disruption (I don't mind at all) but because of the hidden agendas of the ad business
21:27
10 Things You Would Never Guess, Your Reaction Will Be Priceless!!!@#!@#$%
And each Thing is in its own page, 10% content 90% ads
@MadaraUchiha Worst things ever.
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@caps Maybe I'm too old. I have been around when the Mosaic browser was a new thing, and "the web" consisted of a few university pages. (I remember Yahoo being www.something.edu/~username/yahoo.) I was there before the publisher tried to push their content at me, and I do not think the web was a bad place back then. Less exciting from today's POV? Definitely. But this is not the same as "a worse place".
@MadaraUchiha Or music. The same
@sbi Music is still not globally available in reasonable price
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@sehe The baskets of bad apples spoil the few non-rotten ones hidden underneath.
@sehe To sell things to you more efficiently by tracking what "segments" you fit? (i.e. young or old, male or female, programmer, likes such-and-such music)
21:28
The US and most of Europe got Google Music and iTunes
But most of the rest of the world did not.
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@MadaraUchiha Indeed. What they pay the musicians nowadays is not reasonable.
@caps I wonder if that's an accidental correlation. (SCNR.)
@MartinJames SO's ads aren't that horrible really.
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Have you guys heard this news?
@caps oh don't give me that. Of course they can use the data "legitimately" too. About the same way that my news paper delivery guy can use my mailbox legitimately. However, the anonymity and ignorance factor on the one side, and the huge business incentives on the other hand make it a no-brainer who to trust.
Get that lock on your mailbox
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At least some bad ads are going to get stopped.
21:31
Open SO in an incognito window and check it out.
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@Lalaland Nice.
@MadaraUchiha Maybe I should open another account just to see them:) It could double-up as a burner for posting grossly and inappropriately truthful comments and custom close reasons.
Joking:)
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Guys, when my local repo already knows about new changes in a remote branch (I did a git fetch --all when I was connected), how do I pull those changes into my branch when I'm offline? git pull doesn't work.
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@набиячлэвэлиь Yeah, but what do I merge?
21:37
@sbi FETCH_HEAD with HEAD, IIRC
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@набиячлэвэлиь Ah, thanks. Lemme try that...
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@набиячлэвэлиь Doesn't seem to work.
$ git merge FETCH_HEAD
Already up-to-date.
It's not, though.
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@sbi git merge. Or git rebase.
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I usually just do git rebase --onto origin/master
21:41
you git guys freak me out
git guis freak me out
all I ever do is right click the project folder to get the latest version make shelvesets and check in my code
in TFS
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Ah, $ git merge origin/<branch> did the trick.
with the mouse
@sbi no-arg git merge works for me
@AlexM. B A D
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21:42
@набиячлэвэлиь Oh, I didn't get that! sheepish grin Well, now it's too late to try this.
@набиячлэвэлиь I even get paid to do it
what do you get for writing some commands in your terminal?
allowance?
rekt
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@AlexM. Sometimes the manual commands allow you to deal with merge conflicts easier.
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@AlexM. Oh, don't get me wrong, I love TortoiseGit. It's great. It's interactive rebase is fantastic. I mostly use this for doing git. (I wish I could use it with the keyboard, though.) But before I try to understand if I can do this offline pull in Tortoise, and how, I'd rather type in a command or two. Especially in a git-enabled bash, with syntax help etc.
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Rebase in particular can be quite useful.
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21:44
@Lalaland I doubt it.
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I just watched a refreshing video about the EU.
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I am sorry for you.
I solve merge conflicts in the thing that visual studio opens for me I look at the code and the colors and try to see what happened
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It was refreshing and gave hope.
I actually enjoy using TFS with VS a lot, much more than when I used TortoiseSVN & co
21:46
@Lalaland Rebasing is a pretty powerful tool.
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A refreshing video that was refreshing? How refreshing!
@AlexM. Git?
I use git at home but it's really a backup tool for my code on bitbucket
I don't do anything fancy, I rarely even branch for features, and my commits are using messages like "-" which mean "I advanced with the project(s) today"
Feature branches are overrated
TFW boost/confih.hpp isn't part of boost.core
21:48
git is mostly about making collaboration easier
@ThePhD No, it's Boost.Config
for a one-man project most features not necessary
@набиячлэвэлиь .. I.... wha- you know what, I'm not even going to ask.
good lord! This place is hardly Amsterdam at all!
21:49
@thecoshman Most places aren't
It's like the same distance away as Rotterdam
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@thecoshman Hold... You're applying for a job in NL?
more like Rottendam amirite
And good lord, the Nerthlands really are a wet place o_0
@sbi vOv I'm not turning down a place simple because it's there.
Hi btw :D
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@thecoshman I didn't know you were applying abroad.
21:50
@thecoshman If only they knew how to build dams, they might be able to fix some of that.... :-)
Who else lives in Netherlands? I know rightfold does
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@thecoshman sehe.
@thecoshman sehe, IIRC.
@sbi for once I'm sober :P
oh yes
@thecoshman How did that happen?
21:51
any idea where abouts the two actually live?
@JerryCoffin erm... I went to cinema last night... just a spot tired today :\
@sbi They contacted me, it sounds interesting enough.
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@JerryCoffin How about you ask them?
@thecoshman Yes, in the Kingdom of Netherlands
@набиячлэвэлиь ¬_¬ you really are pushing me towards a drink
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@thecoshman I see, How did they contact you?
@sbi email. Doing phone interview with them tomorrow
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21:55
@thecoshman I mean, how come they found you and your email? What made them aware of you?
It's a C++ job... but I got my current Java based job whilst not knowing java
@sbi LinkedIn iirc
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Ah.
Wait. You're in the country, but do a phone interview??
@sbi I did ask him. What "them" would be involved in his being sober?
@thecoshman is there a lot to learn about java
@sbi no... I'm here, they are there...
@AlexM. vOv apparently not
21:56
@AlexM. Only one thing really: where you can get a quick, painless lobotomy.
on a difficulty scale from java to haskell java should be java difficult to learn I think
Your perfectly-round emotiheads are disturbing
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@JerryCoffin Oops, sorry. That was meant to be a reply to the pirate's question about where the Dutch regulars of this room live.
oh yeah, that could work... they are trollish people though...
@sbi Ah, that makes more sense. I guess if I'd been paying closer attention I'd probably have realized that, but I made the mistake of actually doing some work instead. :-)
21:58
@sehe @MadameElyse How close are you Amsterdam/Rotterdam? If I have a rare show of optimism, and think I might make it over for a real interview, fancy meeting up/helping me get around?
Doesn't @Xeo live in west Germany... sort of close to Netherlands?
Rottendam
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@thecoshman ye

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