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22:00
id do it if I had infinite time tho
Man, this is old. And not even funny.
Ubuntu, I must try.. ubuntu
user1804599
Install Gentoo.
That was a quote btw
22:03
Mornin
Almost midnight and no food, that ain't good
@CatPlusPlus I have some left if you don't mind driving for a few thousands kilometers.
There's a petition to remove the T from LGBT.
There are petitions for a lot of things.
hey there,who knows how to trim white spaces in asm winapi?
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@Morwenn lol
22:11
Can someone please send this to limbo? stackoverflow.com/questions/33598946/…
@fre3land Well, well.
And considering that TERFs exists, well, I'm not surprised to see transphobia in so-called "progressive" circles.
@Ell That was something... I snickered quite a while.
It's more about the fact LGB and T are different things and that some trans people try to stick to gender stereotypes even more than other people.
But I don't think that it's a smart move overall.
Thanks Elyse.
@Morwenn You're saying now that it is ok to be L and G they no longer want to fight for the T-s.
user1804599
22:16
Ell Gay Bee Tee
I think maybe some sort of Ork themed tattoo would be good... maybe something on the leg... or back...
@CaptainGiraffe What, that's not what I'm saying.
@CatPlusPlus rip your last night
if i do this i get like 30 errors when i hover the line.. something like "error after macro substitution: cant resolve namespace member..." — Ori Refael 2 mins ago
"Doc, it hurts when I hover the line" // "Don't hover the line"
@Morwenn Sorry, please expand.
22:17
@LucDanton Slowly inching towards normaler hours :p
user1804599
If there's soething worth fighting, let's go full GSRM instead.
user1804599
dat guy
@Morwenn Government of Canada Strategic Reference Model?
<raises brow/> why would you use /that/. I'm mildly amused with the speed at which you retort "everything doesn't work". Even to the point of pointing out the correct header name if I made a typo. Why don't you fix that then? — sehe 59 secs ago
22:18
@EtiennedeMartel Haha, no. Gender, Sex & Romance Minorities :D
Ell
Ell
TIL Dirac was educated at the Univeristy of Bristol
Is Ubuntu phone any good?
Romance? What is this? I thought was all about having sex and feeling like garbage.
@sehe That is a classic! Way back when the lab was using plain X11. There was a complaint/bug report. "When I have 7 windows open it stops working." The reply was "DON'T DO THAT!"
22:19
@EtiennedeMartel 50 shades of asexuality.
@CaptainGiraffe Yeah. Very often it's my response. Which is why I'd make a lousy QA engineer
@l0oky Grab a Jolla phone and emulate the ubuntu phone on it and see.
@sehe That's just newspeak for efficient.
Joomla phone? Like that stupid CMS framework?
@l0oky Jolla!
oh
22:21
@CaptainGiraffe Our app had an issue recently. The issue was that when you edit the options for a user, we randomly applied them to a completely different user. We classified this as an end-user training problem and advised them to be more careful.
5
Crap not even https can get a lousy word correct.
@CaptainGiraffe True. When I'm in the (a) flow, there's a limited time I will spend battling the elements. If it doesn't budge, I dodge
@Puppy lolwut
@Puppy rofl @dat issue
@sehe this is what I'm doing, for: XmlAssert.AreEqual(expected, actual);
22:22
we fixed it after all the devs said "what the fuck this is stupid"
@Puppy are your colleagues competent?
yep
@CaptainGiraffe Never heard of it. Can you run ubuntu phone as a desktop?
like plug it in a docking station or something
@l0oky Sure, if you have processor with HyperSpeed Tech. Anything is possible.
oh
22:24
@JohanLarsson Oy reployed in LC.TV chat
@sehe yeah, no idea what im doing :)
Oh, that was another issue. -Yes that is what they do at the consumer shows.
@CaptainGiraffe Is it expensive?
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@Morwenn Asexuals are like asexuals: asexual.
@l0oky Look at newegg and amazon or whatever have you. Do I need to smell your dipers?
22:25
@CaptainGiraffe Yes please.
:D
Ah, beer and cabbage!
Selfish OS haha
@Elyse Weeeeelll, it's a bit more complicated than that. But you probably already know.
user1804599
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Ok, maybe you don't.
As I said, 50 shades of asexuals: those who really don't want to have sex, those who don't mind but never want to, those who don't feel urges, those who can only in some really specific situations, etc...
And then we enter that realm where romance & sexuality blend.
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I should probably renew my domain
From a few of the questions posted lately I get the feeling that templates are used just for the sake of using templates. No consideration is being made towards compilation or runtime benefits.

It is like template<Buzz<Fizz> ... > is something that needs to exist in good code. It frustrates me.
fuck runtime benefits by and large.
I apply templates when I wish to create a more strongly typed solution.
@Puppy When is a class not enough?
@CaptainGiraffe When it may need to operate on several types in a strongly-typed fashion?
22:35
@Puppy I question that may.
personally I would apply a template when it can.
of course, consider Java
why else would they introduce generics
the only thing to learn from Java is how not to do it.
@Puppy I prefer to use a well thought out name for the type instead of httpreader<sslhandler, cookiestore>.
how is that relevant to anything
22:37
naming it is irrelevant.
what matters is that you can substitute other parameters.
@Puppy please gimme a for instance.
sure.
I have recently implemented a template for a function that takes a function that returns some other shit.
like template<typename T> auto f(T t) { if (fuck()) throw error(); return t(); }
can't be made strongly typed without a template.
Fair enough.
there's trillions of similar examples.
you don't need a template to be most of your code, but having very few is probably a sign that you're an abject moron.
Hey @ScottW did you get a warning text and call saying there's a shooting going on?
I just got 4 of them
Ell
Ell
22:40
oh dear :S
stay safe
eh
I've long since stopped caring about American shootings; they're getting what they voted for, pretty much.
@Puppy I understand your position. Still I hold on to my original statement.
Ell
Ell
are you forgetting that some significant population didn't vote for them?
Also nobody voted for shootings
they declined to enact gun control; they got uncontrolled guns.
22:42
alien abduction zeppelin :D
it's exactly the expected outcome.
@Ell Hey! I didn't even vote for the war in Syria. Still you guys made it happen.
@CaptainGiraffe Your original statement is bullshit. Templates are a tool and should be used exactly as often as the situations they handle the best. There's no correct percentage of code to be templated. It's a case-by-case decision.
Ell
Ell
@CaptainGiraffe I didn't vote for a syrian war either :)
user3790646
Hello
Ell
Ell
22:44
@Andrey hi
Template everything (except exceptions). That's fine.
user3790646
How are you all doing? :)
Ell
Ell
@melak47 I keep thinking your pic is Bob Odenkirk
@Morwenn Why not template exceptions?
@Puppy I'm sorry you think my observation is bullshit. The rest of your comment is obvious and not helpful.
22:46
@Ell Better Call Picard
@набиячлэвэлиь It doesn't buy much .__.
@Morwenn Templates don't buy anything, ever
Ell
Ell
@Puppy voting for uncontrolled guns != voting for shootings everywhere
They are abstract concepts
@Ell It pretty much is exactly that vote.
Ell
Ell
22:47
of course
whatever you say vOv
@CaptainGiraffe It's obvious, but you don't seem to have noticed that it directly invalidates what you said. They can only be used that way or not on a case by case basis, not in such a generalized fashion.
@Ell What other outcome would you expect, exactly?
@набиячлэвэлиь dafuq did I just read - templates write a lot of code for you! :)
there's a clear chain of causation between "Man obtains gun" and "Man shoots gun".
Ell
Ell
the same outcome as uncontrolled most things
man obtains fork
@ScarletAmaranth Read my next message
Ell
Ell
22:48
man eats with fork
story over vOv
right, except in this case, "eats with fork" -> "murders other man with gun".
@Puppy s/other man/a living creature/
And let's be honest: the inherent purpose of a gun is to shoot, generally people.
Ell
Ell
I'm not going to get into this
it ain't worth my time
but to say that people vote specifically for shootings is complete shit
no party says "if you vote for us you will get lots of shootings!"
it's not a vote specifically for shootings.
22:50
I'm with @Puppy on this one.
Ell
Ell
no voter says "oh that's good, lets vote to get these shootings"
it's a vote for circumstances that blatantly cause shootings.
which is not really any different.
What'd use a gun for if not for shooting?
you can't ignore the consequences of the conditions you create in your society.
@Puppy Well, I was commenting on a trend in the question queue. I don't think we have a disagreement
22:50
and pretend that the benefits are the only results.
if you vote for a thing, then you vote for everything that thing is known to do.
Ell
Ell
@Morwenn when I say "shootings" I mean mass shootings, not for self defence (just clarification)
Alright, let's fully control anything, that can be used lethally
Ell
Ell
also sport
And we've got literally 1984
@набиячлэвэлиь Only things that are designed to be lethal.
22:51
doesn't matter.
it doesn't matter what the other consequences are.
Think guns are lethal? Try a good bow with a great shooter
mass shootings are a known and fucking obvious consequence of uncontrolled guns.
if you vote for uncontrolled guns, that includes mass shootings.
@Ell You can do pretty efficient self-defence without a death machine.
@Morwenn Now tell me, how are you gonna cut yer bread?
Ell
Ell
@Morwenn I'm sure that's true
22:52
it's easier to avoid getting into a self-defence situation where you need a firearm when the other guy also doesn't have a firearm.
Or... how are you gonna get that stain off your clothes quickly?
@набиячлэвэлиь See: knives are designed to fucking cut bread unlike guns.
Or how are you gonna unscrew screws?
Ell
Ell
@набиячлэвэлиь your gun, of course :P
user3790646
Wait... Are there still people who are not agaisn't uncontrolled guns?
22:54
@Morwenn laughs, precisely throws knife Don't you be so sure
Screwdrivers are also cool weapons
@набиячлэвэлиь It hits him handle first.
> precisely
We make no mistake
@JonClements Oh no, I mean to imply that. I don't have the time or the patience to do that anyway.
@набиячлэвэлиь I'm not even trying to pretend that things can't be repurposed. Just that we can do without things whose only purpose are to efficiently kill.
Good eve @all from fool_me://freecodewritingservice/antarctica
22:55
Also you can't do mass shootings with knives.
@Morwenn Well, knives are one of those things
So young. So naive. So innocent...
@набиячлэвэлиь Only purpose? Haha, I don't think so.
it's a lot easier for an unarmed dude to survive a knife attack
just run in the other direction.
So simple
Because no-one, ever, knows how to throw knives
22:57
@Puppy you are an idiot
Nobody throws knives
Or doesn't have a fucking axe
user3790646
Hey let's not compare how easier it would be to survive a knife attack or a gun
being unarmed has nothing to do with ability to run away
user3790646
22:58
both are terrible ways to kill
Nobody telegraphs knife attacks either
running away has nothing to do with survivability
Katt has a point
You'll just get sliced and won't even know it
Ell
Ell
@Andrey I don't think so, people disagree on the form of control though
@набиячлэвэлиь You'd need quite a few knives though.
22:58
More tricky to detect by bystanders
By the time you know you're being attacked with knife you're probably already getting stabbed
@thecoshman Who said anything about being unarmed? I was merely referring to what armaments the other guy possesses.
in short, ignore @Puppy, he's stupid.
@Puppy this works just as well for avoiding getting raped
@Puppy So?
Knives are trivial to hide
user3790646
22:59
@Ell Well, in Rio de Janeiro (in Brazil) it was prohibited to walk on streets with a knife in your backpack, hand or hidden in your clothes
Especially small, throwing ones
@набиячлэвэлиь So it's considerably less practical to carry and throw two hundred knives than it is to carry two hundred bullets.
@Puppy either those two statements are directly linked together, or you are even more stupid than I ever thought.

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