« first day (1822 days earlier)      last day (3124 days later) » 

12:00 PM
damn
 
40 minutes to Linear Algebra exam.
 
@AndyProwl how?
 
kibi, mebi, gigi etc.
 
@ElimGarak Speaking of SI prefixes...
 
@ElimGarak shouldn't that be 10^6?
 
12:00 PM
> The SI multiplier prefixes may be applied to it to form ka (kiloannus), Ma (megaannus) etc.
 
1^n = 1... no?
 
That's SI.
 
@thecoshman vOv megabyte is 2^20 bytes
 
@thecoshman 1e6 = 10^6 vOv
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes disappointed. My next mathaversary is just 39 earth years. Boring
 
12:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :O mind blown
 
dammit, coshman, you filthy imperial!
 
@ElimGarak mebbe
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes rmf.io/cxx11/2012/08/15/rule-of-zero.html results in 404
 
my next mathaversary is on the 13th of February
 
oh, 14th November I'm 10e years old :D
 
12:02 PM
but that's weird
26 Root-2 years
 
@BartekBanachewicz I removed the dates. Forgot to set up redirects.
 
robofail
 
> Second-positive-integer-which-can-be-expressed-as-the-sum-of-two-positive-cubes-‌​in-two-different-ways days
lol
 
It's more than a year until my next remotely interesting matheversary
 
12:03 PM
22 megaminutes on 8th of March
 
@sehe Old people suck :P
 
is that international women day?
 
cool I'll celebrate it together with all the newsletters I'll receive
 
@Griwes taxi cab!
 
12:04 PM
@sehe It's really annoying to wait so long :(
I've been waiting for 1 gigasecond for almost 5 megaminutes.
 
> End of time ∞ Infinity-versary
lol
 
1 gig a second is quite a rate
 
I'm actually considering starting my yearlong round-the-world trip on my gigasecond.
 
Man, I am so hungry.
 
Eat?
Eating is good, it prevents death
 
12:06 PM
I mustn't, I am watching my weight :D
 
Work out and eat :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes qalc 1 Gs to year - aha
@AndyProwl it doesn't
 
ah
that's sad news
 
breaking news
 
Hungry news.
 
12:07 PM
well it does postpone it though
 
@ElimGarak Eat with your eyes open.
 
I won't ever live to see my 42 Pi-years "-sary"
 
weird bug, readline() can't be found via ADL?? oh it's getline() -.-
 
the moment I see "with your eyes open", I somehow read that as part of a rap song.
Cover artwork is gold, tho. Three Jerry Coffins.
 
@Mr.kbok ...
@ElimGarak opening sounds cool
 
12:10 PM
the lyrics are intense, yo
> Step to face I'll break your ass in two, bastard you -- Rather swim in some fuckin' hot tar -- Before you fuck wit Willie D cause what I got for -- Your ass will make ya shit your meal --Cause it's die muthafuckas, die muthafuckas still
 
I have just cited § 20.8.2.2.2.1 in my answer
 
wut
 
§20.8 is quite expensive
 
you tired? how can a chapter be expensive?
 
So, who is this Jaden character?
 
12:15 PM
cicada
 
just some wannabie developer
@Mr.kbok you say everybody is cicada
 
@Jaden util.smartptr.shared.dest.1
 
yes
I'm cicada, too
 
user1804599
pafpafpaf
 
I am not trying to be cicada. They're noisy as fuck. I respect their affinity with prime numbers though.
 
12:18 PM
hi @elyse
 
ya, hi @elyse
 
can I punch your box?
 
@Jaden I'm so used to checking, I can recognise just by the user number these days
 
@thecoshman checking what?
 
12:22 PM
@Jaden you
 
your reputation
that's the easiest way to notice if someone changed names
 
I don't think
 
Just hover over the link, the user number is enough
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The principle is okay but what if the device you're trying to log on doesn't have any usb port?
 
@Mr.kbok You mean like a phone?
(Well, mine has vOv)
And my key works via NFC too.
 
12:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah.
 
Dunno, I wouldn't get a phone without a USB port.
 
well then, problem solved
 
Oh, iPhones probably don't have one.
 
what is it?
 
12:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah
 
Yeah, lol, iPhones.
 
"Beyond Sanitizers..." -_- sorry guy, can't hack it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah I posted that a few days ago. It'd be cool to have one.
 
What is your phone @R.MartinhoFernandes?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have one. It's awesome.
@Mr.kbok Galaxy S5.
 
12:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes how much for shipping?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me too.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Twas free. Bought it on Amazon.
 
and which one do i want
 
I.e. not with GitHub discount, because I bought it before.
 
so I want the Premium one right
with NFC
 
12:29 PM
I have the NEO. The NEO-n is neat but can't NFC.
 
oh i see
 
@BartekBanachewicz how much do you want to spend?
 
so the neo-n is the supersmall one
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes.
If you just want U2F, you can buy the special blue one.
 
I think NFC could be cool
Do new iPhones have nfc actually
 
12:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No. Maybe the latest one, but not before.
Yeah, the iPhone 6 does. The others don't.
 
since 6 I think
6s has an "updated" one so
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think 6 is the least I'd buy anyway
 
how does the no-driver thing works?
 
I think I might want the nfc key then
 
@Mr.kbok standardisation
it's a HID
 
ok
 
12:34 PM
fuck and 20% VAT
and then customs
hmpfh
 
@Mr.kbok It's a "keyboard".
 
is the shunting yard the go-to algorithm for turning stuff into ASTs, I see it mentioned everywhere
 
It technically needs a driver, but everyone and their dog has it.
 
I need to whore on codementor more
so that I have imaginary internet money to pay for it
 
Ell
man haskell keeps wanting to be rebuilt by emerge
 
12:35 PM
So when you tap it, it just "types" a key.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, the blue one says it some special U2F HID vOv so... basically a keyboard but fancier?
 
Ell
@AlexM. No
shunting-yard is just for infix expressions, I think o.O
 
fuck if GH accepted my student status
i'd get 40% discount on the superkey
 
@Ell yea technically it's an algorithm that takes infix and returns reverse polish
 
@thecoshman HID is the part of the USB standard for keyboards, mice, etc.
 
12:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, but there are many types of HID... and that (site) made it sound like this was a new category... iow, it's not just a keyboard
 
@thecoshman It is just a keyboard.
 
Ell
> emerge (9 of 76)
 
You tap it, it types a key.
 
Ell
ahh why
 
but isn't there some input too?
 
12:37 PM
Nothing magical.
@Mr.kbok No, that's the whole point of OTPs.
With input it's challenge-response.
 
OTP?
 
One-time passwords.
Each time you tap it, it types a different password.
 
How is the password not reusable?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes right at the bottom "Device Type"...
 
12:40 PM
With TOTP it is time-dependent.
 
user1804599
 
That U2F thing looks interesting. Doesn't seem like OpenSSH supports yet it without patches, though :/
 
With HOTP it's counter-dependent, i.e. the keys form a sequence and the server and the thingy keep a counter in sync.
 
I've reapplied for GH academic status
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... except this time you really aren't a student...
 
12:42 PM
@Griwes The NEO can store SSH keys and act as an agent.
 
vimeo.com/140290854 <--- This is so fucking great :D
Make sure to turn on the English titles if you don't speek Frenchie
 
it approved the discount of 20%
I just want my student discount as well
 
It's a SmartCard.
 
maybe I should email GH separately and ping them about that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ooooh
 
12:43 PM
$5 shipping
not bad
 
@Griwes Also GPG keys.
Like any smart card, really.
 
yeah gonna contact GH about that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does that particular feature work like, out-of-the-box in every not insane environment? Never really used smart card functionalities in any way.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is having your log-in dependent on keys not a bit foolish for you?
 
I hate how whenever exceptions come up the whole shape of my code goes to hell
 
12:46 PM
@Griwes You need to user their software to configure the key (basically just to enable the smart card functionality which is off by default), but then GnuPG can handle everything.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sweet.
 
Windows has SmartCard features too (but I'm not familiar enough with those to tell how well they work).
 
Yeah, that's expected. I was more concerned about Linux :P
 
@Griwes ha ha ha
 
@BartekBanachewicz What's so funny there?
 
12:49 PM
The nice thing is that it's a write-only device. They keys can't be read out of it, so they're never in RAM, so it's even usable in compromised machines without leaking keys.
 
didn't Clang support terse notation for templates already
like void foo(auto x)
GCC does but emits a warning
 
It was also really easy to set up Windows login to require the key.
Still haven't tried it on Linux.
 
@Griwes he wasn't laughing, it's just his inflated ego venting some gas
 
Also works ok with Keybase, since it just delegates the crypto to GPG.
 
hmm... is it worth getting extra ones I wonder
 
12:56 PM
@thecoshman Can use them as backups, but you can't set up backups post hoc since there's no way to read the keys (without cracking it open, obviously).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so I'd have to pre-emptively do it?
 
You'd have to essentially make twins, yes.
 
I presume as long as I have one device, I can set up another one?
 
@thecoshman No, it's write-only.
 
Alright, ordered a NEO. This should streamline some troublesome things.
 
12:58 PM
The secrets never leave it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, so I'd have to setup the two of them at the same time?
 
@thecoshman Something like that, yes.
 
I've sent a video of my student card to github
 
But I'm not sure you can make twins of the U2F secrets.
 
12:59 PM
> a video
lol
 
Is it on a wooden table?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well-designed smart cards are designed to make even that extremely difficult (e.g., special coating over the chip, and solvents that remove that coating will also destroy the chip).
 
If you post a "real" question (with sample VRML, actual requirements and what you have got) I would be happy to look at optimizations. Meanwhile also see this answer and specifically the linked second approach. It does raw seeks on a text file and detecting the nearest start-of-line. — sehe 38 secs ago
Teaching people how to get results since 2013
Darn. Too late to edit in a "use profiler" disclaimer
 
@Griwes guess why
 
holographic proof of "genuinity" (?)
 
1:12 PM
@thecoshman Even if you could set up twins with HOTP secrets, using the first one for a while would leave the secondary out-of-sync, which is not irrecoverable, but can be quite annoying.
But I don't see why duplicating TOTP secrets (by writing them down and inputting them manually) wouldn't work though.
 
Xeo
How do HOTPs work, exactly? Say if I accidentally tap it to write a HOTP key, does that desync the generation?
 
terse notation for templates is bugged in GCC :(
 
terse?
 
27 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
like void foo(auto x)
 
that silly notation for writing templates without writing template
 
1:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes say, did you hear any more about unicode WG?
 
@Xeo Servers have some leeway, so they will check key k, k+1, k+2, ..., k+n, for some reasonable n.
 
Xeo
mh
 
They won't check k-1, though.
 
terse notation is awesome
I just wish it worked
also I clearly remember Clang having this implemented but it doesn't seem to be supported right now
 
@Xeo And of course if k+x is the good key, k+x becomes the new k, i.e. all the keys that were desynced count as used.
 
Xeo
1:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Guessed that much, thanks.
and TOTP is just based on the time when the 2FA was established and the current time or something?
 
@Xeo happy you then :D
 
what do those more expensive keys get you then? In stupid talk please :\
 
@ElimGarak they could've left the 30 FPS part out
 
Xeo
more ways to write a password to the device, AFAICS
 
it's not as funny if you explain the joke like that
 
1:23 PM
I'm not sure I would have gotten the joke
but then again I'm not a gamer/gamedev
 
@Xeo Current time. 30s windows. Essentially the same as HOTP but the counter advances automatically even when not used.
 
Xeo
so changes every 30s (like conventional authenticators)?
 
@Xeo If you mean the likes of Google Authenticator, that's TOTP
 
so is this kind of like the 2fa thing I have on my phone, that I open it up and it has a code that I can enter for google or what not?
 
@thecoshman The cheapest can only use U2F. The most expensive can do U2F, HOTP, TOTP, static passwords, some challenge-response thing, it is a smart card, and it has both a USB interface as well as NFC.
 
1:29 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well that mostly washed over me.
 
@thecoshman That's TOTP. The difference is that the secrets are not stored in the phone, but in the key and never leave it. The 2FA app can't do anything until you provide the key. And then the only thing it does is give the current time to the key and display the codes it gets back.
 
o_0 I give up
 
@thecoshman It lets you store different kinds of crypto stuff.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes vOv I guess that's useful...
 
The whole point is that the small device does all the crypto itself and just gives results back. The keys themselves are never in the phone/computer/whatever memory.
You might leak some one-time passwords to malware, but never the cryptographic secrets that generate them.
With say, Google Authenticator you can grab all the secrets from /data/data/com.google.android.apps.authenticator/databases/databases
 
Lounge<3F2D7CF4663D75F330CDEC8ACAD42F69B8F1D2CBE7F11210770F80B1FEE1C0B2DB5A1418‌​CF12F30BD28A087D30788CC61DD36CB1BEA14DD3487A623025AFBE61>
 
@thecoshman O.o
 
broken image :(
 
@TonyTheLion Chairman of Lounge moms' association :D
 
@ElimGarak lol
 
1:46 PM
@Mr.kbok No, it ain't
 
@AnalPhabet The app assumes Android phones will not be compromised.
That's a reas--nevermind.
 
kekekek
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes can... any app read that data?
 
@Xeo It's in /data/data/, so yes AFAIK
 
Dunno.
It's an SQLite database.
 
1:52 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see...
 
@Xeo I think you need be root.
 
Xeo
that'd be something, at least.
 
adb pull works too, so malware on the PC can grab it if you plug it on USB and have dev-mode enabled.
 
2:09 PM
I have std::vector<Friend<T>>, but... <- prelude to racist comment. :D
 
user1804599
I have std::vector<Friend<T>>, but I'm not a racist.
 
@elyse ... but I'm not a typename T::ist
 
2:29 PM
nice
what does starring a chat do?
 
@Adam adds the room to your fav list
 
@ElimGarak I always wonder what is the dude actually talking about.
 
About losing his frying pan in the tide or something
 
wow, wxSizer()s work really well. except when they don't.
 
2:36 PM
@AnalPhabet My favourite youtube.com/watch?v=BdwUsalwBJ8
 
repcapped :toot toot:
 
"Sometimes I wonder how we're still in business..."
Me too, every day :D
 
repcap for users under 100k should be weekly
as in 1400 rep/week
 
This is an excellent answer. Can you provide information about your source? — Ben Key 20 mins ago
lol, "It's a confidential informant, sorry."
 
2:43 PM
LRiO editing answers and stuff
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nice
 
> Taylor Swift Broke Up With Calvin Harris Because He Got a Happy Ending at a Massage Parlor
Looking forward to her new album.
 
2:58 PM
@ElimGarak Isnt that illegal? (I mean, unless I have the wrong definition of happy ending, doesnt that fall under the category of prostitution?)
 
what code do I read to see some good and idiomatic C#?
 
anyone used premake?
 
@ScarletAmaranth Anything by our lord and savior Jon Skeet
 
@Borgleader Law only applies to poor people :D
 
@Borgleader really? oki, thanks
 
2:59 PM
I have one of his books.
He breathes C# :P
 

« first day (1822 days earlier)      last day (3124 days later) »