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11:00 AM
I wonder how many calories I burn when I run away from my problems
 
hahahaah :)
 
user1804599
wat do
 
@StackedCrooked lol @ 3:31
 
11:06 AM
@StackedCrooked my setter is different.
Should crop it more
 
that's really a great picture
 
@JohanLarsson do you also have a getter?
 
yeah, he has a nice expression mid air
 
or maybe a retriever lol
 
I have two pointers also so they are all programming concepts.
 
11:09 AM
nice
 
@AndyProwl Haha, that was golden :D
 
wait Anthony Williams was at CppCon too?
damn
 
how come I haven't seen him
@JohanLarsson :P
 
the mid air pic is when he is fetching a dummy btw.
 
user1804599
11:11 AM
Is he also a pointer?
 
a smart pointer I guess
 
Don't think so, he is pretty dumb but a very nice guy.
Did not find a good pointing pic of him
So I grabbed a random
 
beautiful nature over there
I don't like GSL's owner<T*>
it should be owner<T>
 
libstdc++ still doesn't have std::invoke :X
 
11:18 AM
or owning_ptr<T>
 
Maybe a bug they caught while testing. It failed to detect that it was tested.
 
11:39 AM
I searched obituaries for Martin's town and he's not in it.
Enough stalkiness for a day.
Ftr, I found his town through his credit card statement.
 
No skype back channels?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wut. How did you get that?
 
> Your new password is the same as a password you previously used. Try again.
wtf
 
@AndyProwl What?
They can check that by checking if it generates the same hash
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I tried to log in with my password but it rejected it - multiple times. So I clicked 'forgot password' and reset it. I typed the same one and it rejected it because it's the same as the previous one.
 
11:50 AM
The likeliness that you find another password that generates the same hash of your previous one is so little, it doesn't even matter.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Doveridge?
Gonna write him an email
 
Raclette tonight. I can't wait.
 
How are you going to handle that?
 
handle what?
oh I just picked a new password
 
@TonyTheLion You must know someone who knows Martin.
 
11:54 AM
email sent
hope the email is not fake lol
 
@AndyProwl Handle the inability to wait
 
to wait for what?
I might be slow today
 
7 mins ago, by Morwenn
Raclette tonight. I can't wait.
 
Oh, I didn't realize it was for me.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ weren't you the one complaining that I wasn't using reply-to
 
possible
 
it seems we did not share phone numbers on slack
we suck
 
@AndyProwl YOU ARE NOT USING REPLY-TO
 
because I'm not replying to anyone
 
12:06 PM
@AndyProwl WHAT ABOUT NOW
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ SORRY I FORGOT YOUR MOM WAS DISTRACTING ME
 
lol
what u doing?
 
Watching Skins
 
apparently some of my, errr..., friends, believe that ISIS is an ops of USA and Israel
Are people this stupid everywhere, or just in Poland? :/
 
12:12 PM
It could be, everything is possible
 
So I have ordered pizza.
I am like you, guys.
FML.
 
see, resistance is futile
 
I don't think I've ever ordered pizza by myself. At least not for myself.
 
^ someone kick @Morwenn, quick!
 
@AndyProwl I've read today that not eating for 12 consecutvie hours everyday may be good for the organism. I might just start to do that.
 
12:20 PM
I find it hard to believe that, although I've read that fasting for up to 24 hours occasionally may improve your metabolism
 
Umm.... doesn't that mean just don't eat for ~4 hours after getting up?
 
pretty much
if you sleep 8 hours
 
It pretty much means that you don't eat before noon nor after midnight.
 
it also depends on what your lifestyle is
 
From what I've, fasting has some benefits when you reach ~12h without eating but may be bad if overdone.
 
12:21 PM
if you're doing lots of activity that's just counterproductive
 
I do basically nothing all day long.
 
lol ok
that may be bad for the organism
 
Fasting or not doing anything?
 
not doing anything
 
anyone who can read (and translate) russian?
a guy contacted me saying that he translated one my articles into russian, and google translate is doing a good job translating the comments on that translation (which is a happy read). The "problem" is the image - looks funny, so I'd want to find out what it says. So if anyone who speak Russian could take a look, that'd be great!
 
12:24 PM
@AndyProwl Well, I clean stuff (including myself) and go out to party when I can.
But it's true that I haven't practiced sports in ~6 years.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp it says "what that constexpr allows itself to do"
 
@Abyx is that some automatic translation? because that sentence doesn't make much sense given the context (mostly referring to the facial expression)
 
@FilipRoséen-refp nah, that's my bad English
 
@Abyx oh, alright - not sure how to interpret the facial expression + text then
thanks though!
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus have you used Sqitch?
 
12:32 PM
expecting a positive review?
 
Haha, that proposal for soft keywords: « all the good keywords are already taken, but we still want to use them ».
 
what's a soft keyword?
contextual?
 
Yeah. Basically, a contextual keyword that would live in the std namespace.
 
user1804599
lolwat
 
user1804599
why'd you do that
 
user1804599
12:40 PM
does it work with namespace aliases
 
@elyse It seems that the coroutines proposal author wants to use yield no matter what.
 
user1804599
Coroutines as a language feature is so silly.
 
namespace N1 { void yield(int); }
auto coro2() {
  using std::yield;
  yield(2);           // yields value 2
  N1::yield(3);       // invokes N1::yield
}
auto coro3() {
  using namespace N1;
  yield(1);           // invokes N1::yield
  std::yield(3);      // yields value 3
}
auto coro4() {
  using namespace N1;
  using namespace std;
  yield(4);           // error: ambiguous
}
What I find fun about coroutines is that I have no idea how they might change the way we program.
 
user1804599
Go all C: call it _Yield and add a <stdyield> header that contains #define yield _Yield.
 
user1804599
Problem solved.
 
12:43 PM
They proposed coreturn at some point instead of yield.
 
@Morwenn I'd just define yield as a keyword and fuck programs that break because of that
 
@AndyProwl I'd like that too, but there's already a function yield in the standard library.
 
oh, really
then I'd rename that function and fuck programs that break because of that
 
user1804599
I'd just make coroutines a library feature and call it a day.
 
But it's a member function, so that's ok: make yield a keyword when it's not a member function name.
 
user1804599
12:45 PM
Much simpler, needs no compiler support, is usable directly.
 
it's not a member function
 
Oh...
 
std::this_thread::yield
 
Force people to qualify it then.
 
@elyse what about await?
how do you do that as a library feature
 
12:46 PM
Who uses using namespace std::this_thread anyway?
 
std::this_thread::sleep() is quite common
oh
that
I misunderstoodedz
 
lulz
 
yeah using namespace std::this_thread is dumb
like pretty much all using namespaces
 
Except literals and placeholders.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl can be a function just fine.
 
user1804599
12:47 PM
See Boost.Coroutine.
 
@Morwenn right, forgot about literals. Placeholders... I'd still use using directives
 
user1804599
It passes await to your entry function, but you could just as well make it a thread-local.
 
ok here I stopped understanding so I'll shut up
 
@AndyProwl I basically don't use placeholders since I don't use std::bind.
 
but it's not like I'm convinced
@Morwenn yeah, burn std::bind
 
user1804599
12:49 PM
std::bind is broken. Don't use it.
 
user1804599
Use lambdas.
 
We should make a list of burnable components of the standard library and what to use instead.
std::basic_string::length would be a candidate for burnination.
 
user1804599
Do that when my I/O library is production-ready. :p
 
> production-ready
 
Seriously, can't we add such a list in a Lounge repo GitHub?
 
12:50 PM
procrastination ready
 
It could be a reference for stuff to remove from the standard.
Then we provide a fork of libc++/libstdc++ with stuff removed.
 
1:04 PM
lightstdc++
notsostdc++
 
I guess I can't have a decltype() with unexpended pack
wait no that's not true
 
Maybe you miss a typename before decltype.
 
oh gosh thank you
I can't C++ anymore
 
:D
When template things don't work, add random typename and template everywhere, and then it sometimes solves the problems.
 
it seems Clang does not yet implement static asserts without a custom message
 
user1804599
1:14 PM
@AndyProwl -std=c++1z.
 
@elyse doesn't help
 
user1804599
Then upgrade clang.
 
maybe it's just the version on coliru
 
@AndyProwl isnt static_assert(false) == static_assert(false, "") ?
 
@Borgleader not sure if "" but the left one should be valid
I think the message is implementation-defined but I'm not sure
 
1:18 PM
@Morwenn Better to just know the rules for when they are required
 
Perhaps, again, he was mildly joking
@Abyx maybe "Who does constexpr think it is?" ? /cc @FilipRoséen-refp
 
Only mildly. I often have such errors and guess quickly enough where I should add a keyword, but to be honest, I don't always remember the exact rules.
 
@sehe yeah that sounds better
 
@JohanLarsson Maybe a beetle they missed while testing
 
1:36 PM
@AndyProwl Err, clang most certainly has implemented that already.
IME it was GCC that didn't understand those... :P
(...and that was in May.)
 
21 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
maybe it's just the version on coliru
 
If my GPU is on this list does it mean it supports Cuda 7.5?
 
@Borgleader it means that cuda supports your gpu…
 
@Borgleader probably, question is the capability profile/thing
 
@melak47 Care to elaborate? Last time I touched cuda the latest version was 2 :P
 
1:42 PM
gpus have different compute capabilities
which support different features
the cuda version is independant of that
 
Like for example I have a GTX 670, which means I have compute capability 3.0 (while some cards have 5.0, 5.2) is there a chart somewhere that says exactly which features I'm missing out on if I only have compute capability X ?
 
idk of any
 
lame =/
that should be a thing
how is that not a thing
 
i guess it’s not that important
you can do most of the stuff anyway
 
@Borgleader I'm not up to date, but IIRC new architectures often come with new capabilities not available on older ones
this goes up to 3.5
 
1:51 PM
hmm ok cool, im sure there are a few things im missing out on by not having 5.x
but 3.0 seems to have most of the stuff
thanks
 
anyway I think the SDK comes with a sample app that will enumerate all the capabilites
 
cool
 
CUDA, which stands for Compute Unified Device Architecture, is a parallel computing platform and application programming interface (API) model created by NVIDIA. It allows software developers to use a CUDA-enabled graphics processing unit (GPU) for general purpose processing – an approach known as GPGPU. The CUDA platform is a software layer that gives direct access to the GPU's virtual instruction set and parallel computational elements. The CUDA platform is designed to work with programming languages such as C, C++ and Fortran. This accessibility makes it easier for specialists in paralle...
there's big tables there
so looks like you're missing "Funnel shift" and "Dynamic parallelism" on 3.0 feature wise. whatever that is :D
 
2:07 PM
> Hi, I'm Gregor McGregor from Norfolk, Connecticut. People like to make fun of my name because it is kind of repetitive repetitive but that's because my parents are from Irish descent, like 10% of Americans. On the bright side it is a homonym (or homophone? but not homophobe!) of the famous General Gregor Mac Gregor, and it also gzips kinda well because of the repetition repetition. Funnily enough my name matches the regular expression (\w+)\sMc\1 which by the way is an exceptionally rare property.
 
so of the two features, dynamic parallelism seems the most useful, funnel shift is some sort of bit shifting it seems
 
Why is std::vector<bool> not a Container again? What part of the Container requirements does it not satisfy
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ the bools arent bools theyre bits
so you cant take refs to the elements
 
lelelel
 
@Borgleader So what requirement is not satisfied?
 
2:16 PM
How does somebody do 333 days in a row
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ indexing operator cannot return a bool&
 
profusely ignores last part of URL
 
@AndyProwl Indexing operator is not mentioned in the requirements for Container
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ No, but the iterators rare
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ can't remember the exact details but it's related to that
 
2:17 PM
> reference T&
 
yeah
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I guess that std::swap on two elements doesn't work the way you would like it to work.
 
@Puppy If Container::reference is guaranteed to be T&, then why do we even have that?
 
legacy code.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Generic code
 
2:18 PM
why do we even have what?
 
@AnalPhabet How does that help with generic code?
 
vector<bool>?
 
also
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ reference might be magical_proxy
 
oh, the type alias
 
2:19 PM
not allowed
 
@Morwenn I doubt the requirement of swap on std::vector is the problem
 
And if it was enough alike, it could theoretically work
 
@AnalPhabet currently I don't think it can be a magical proxy
 
@AndyProwl It can't, but it might
 
2:20 PM
@AnalPhabet what does that mean?
 
In some weird third-party container
but v0v, anyway
 
@AndyProwl It can't be.
 
So the real problem is that reference is unnecessarily guaranteed to be T&?
 
yes
 
@AnalPhabet The fuck
 
2:20 PM
not sure about "unnecessarily" but yes
there were discussions about removing that requirement
actually the discussion was related to iterators IIRC
I think Eric started it
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ More accurately, the language can never support proxies in this way.
 
I don't remember the details, man I should get back to C++ shenanigans
 
@Puppy Why not?
 
because there's a bunch of observable differences between any user-defined type and real references.
 
Are you saying that std::vector<bool>::reference is not a proxy?
@Puppy Oh right, operator.
 
2:23 PM
no, I'm saying that there's nothing magical about it at all and you can't just substitute it for a real bool ref.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ It's a test repo for travis-encrypt#1
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ IIRC, there's a lot more than that.
 
@Puppy Such as?
 
taking address
 
2:24 PM
well, for example, you might rationally assume that &proxy gives a T*, but it can't.
 
I think
 
addressof() or bust
oh wait
 
@AndyProwl You can overload operator&
 
indeed.
so addressof(proxy) and &proxy give different outcomes, which is highly awkward to deal with at best.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ addressof
FTR Bjarne has a proposal for smart references
 
2:25 PM
then you come to the issue of, for example, calling a function that takes a T&.
 
not sure how sound it is but the problem is being discussed
 
for example, a simple operator overload.
 
@Puppy That's exactly the reason why std::addressof was introduced in the first place, no?
 
user1804599
 
not really.
addressof was introduced because overloading & is fucking dumb.
 
user1804599
2:26 PM
Never overload unary operator &.
 
std::addressof was not introduced to get the real address of a thing despite operator& overloads?
 
it doesn't solve the problem of overloading & being fucking dumb.
it solves the problem of ignoring the fact that we allowed people to do it despite it being fucking dumb.
 
user1804599
It's as dumb as using spaces in filenames.
 
user1804599
It breaks all sorts of existing stuff.
 
@elyse For some reason that title made me believe it was done as a legal thing
 
2:27 PM
programs that can't handle spaces in filenames are fucking dumb
 
user1804599
In Windows how do you disable that misfeature that enlarges a window when you double-click its border?
 
user1804599
I never want that to happen.
 
you probably can't if I had to guess
 
That's nice, didn't know about that one
 
Once operator dot is overloadable, we're going to be stuck with operator dot-star as the most inconsistently non-overloadable operator in the language.
 
2:31 PM
Guys, agar.io
 
@elyse decrease the double click timeout
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ what about it
 
user1804599
should I open-source my project or not hmmm
 
user1804599
yeah why not
 
user1804599
under AGPL
 
GPL for androids?
 
user1804599
2:32 PM
hmm I'm not sure what the implications of that would be
 
You should include the minimal example that triggers this. Right now it could be anything. — sehe 48 mins ago
OP: "bla bla bla"
You forgot to include that minimal example. — sehe 2 mins ago
 
user1804599
The GNU Affero General Public License, often abbreviated as Affero GPL and AGPL (and sometimes informally called the Affero License), refers to two distinct, though historically related, free software licenses. The first is the Affero General Public License, version 1 which was published by Affero, Inc. in March 2002, and is based on the GNU General Public License, version 2 (GPLv2). The second is the GNU Affero General Public License, version 3, published by the Free Software Foundation in November 2007, and based on the GNU General Public License, version 3 (GPLv3). Both versions of the AGPL...
 
user1804599
Basically it's GPL, except exposing a network interface is considered distribution.
 
hm.
 
so it's GPL but somehow even dumber?
 
2:36 PM
yep
 
user1804599
I'm not sure what restrictions that would give to me myself.
 
user406009
Depends on why you want to use the GPL.
 
user406009
IMHO the GPL is pretty dumb for a volunteer project.
 
user406009
But the GPL (or AGPL) makes a lot of sense if it's a commercial open source project.
 
neither of them make any sense
 
user1804599
2:37 PM
I think I want BSD with the network restriction.
 
user1804599
Nah, AGPL should be fine.
 
@melak47 PLAY IT
 
iSneezed
 
Use the MIT License
 
user1804599
No, I never use MIT.
 
2:50 PM
Why?
 
user1804599
I always use BSD 3-clause "New" or "Revised" License.
 
user1804599
@AnalPhabet Because I don't know what MIT license is.
 
MIT/BSD/etc are way better than GPL.
@elyse It's very similar to BSD.
 
user1804599
For this particular application I want the network interface restriction though, and AGPL gives me that.
 
user406009
@elyse Why though?
 
Nab your name is weird.
 
@Nooble How so?
 
@AnalPhabet I dunno.
 
user1804599
Sqitch works very well.
 
2:52 PM
It's not a derivative of nabijaczleweli.
 
user406009
I can totally understand using the GPL license when there is money involved. Like you have a product you want to opensource, yet still make money off of.
 
@Nooble Well, it is the name I use to kill people with
 
guise
 
user406009
But for volunteer projects, being nice to the user tends to be the goal.
 
@Lalaland Why would you put those two things together
 
user406009
2:52 PM
And MIT/BSD are much more user friendly licenses.
 
if you want to make money, keep the source for yourself.
if you GPL the project, some other dude is just gonna compile it for free and use it for free and you won't get shit.
 
user406009
You make money off of support.
 
@TonyTheLion Hi.
 
then fuck GPL, go MIT to get the broadest userbase
 
user406009
And open source is a nice feature. It allows you to fix things if necessary.
 
user406009
2:54 PM
Well, the GPL is to prevent another company from forking the project.
 
user406009
When money is involved, the cost of forks and competitors is much higher.
 
how does GPL prevent other people from forking your code?
hell, it's practically the entire intention of GPL to permit other people to fork it.
 
@Nooble whats up?
 
@TonyTheLion What is it? Dragons?
 
there's nothing in GPL as far as I know that stops anybody else from selling support or forking your code.
 
2:56 PM
Here be dragons
 
@TonyTheLion Not homework.
:)
 
user406009
@Puppy Sorry, should have been more specific. GPL prevents people from creating closed source forks.
 
yes, but who gives a shit about that?
forks are just as bad whether their source is open or not
the other guy is still eating your lunch
 
user406009
Open source forks are less damaging as you can always just include their changes.
 
user406009
2:57 PM
A closed source fork is able to have all of your features and more on top of that.
 
Never going out during a typhoon again
 
user406009
I would argue that closed source forks are much more damaging.
 
@GregorMcGregor bit windy I imagine?
 
Extremely windy and rainy
@Lalaland How about closed source spoons and/or other ustensils
 
Sporks.
 
user406009
2:59 PM
@Puppy I totally agree with you that the GPL licence is shitty to potential users.
 
user406009
It's just that sometimes you have to make tradeoffs.
 
user406009
Better an open source GPL product than a closed source one IMHO.
 

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