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2:00 PM
RIP
 
user406009
@caps Imagine you are thrown into a random, bad codebase. Now which would you prefer: Java or C++?
 
Making coffee at starbucks
 
user406009
Unfortunately, making coffee at starbucks would not pay your rent.
 
user406009
Or for your various "toys"
 
What toys
 
2:05 PM
@Lalaland I plan to camp in the mountains year in year out
 
@Lalaland C++, really. Because the chances of the code base actually having merit are slightly higher IME
 
user1804599
> I did a gig in a fertility clinic. I got a standing ovulation.
 
1/10 - try again
 
all I need to do is to find a good cave near water & I have a decent tent
 
@Lalaland I think I agree with @sehe
 
user406009
2:08 PM
@chmod711telkitty You dropped the chickens from your avator? gasp
 
you think that I should bring the chickens to the camp as well?
 
user406009
Also @Nooble, when are we doing the theme drawing? Can we announce a time?
 
user406009
I just don't want to miss it.
 
Sup @Tony?
 
2:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes aww sorry, its over now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @Jon pinged most of the ROs for a conversation. It's over atm.
 
We ate all the cookies
 
@Mr.kbok well I actually think I could sell feed handlers and stuff
and market access protocols
considering how BAD the existing ones are
 
user406009
Any conclusions to share with the rest of the chat? Or was it all private/top secret?
 
I saw a baby throw up in the street once and it wasn't as disgusting as the existing protocols
 
2:16 PM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva jeesuz yea
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva lol
 
@Lalaland You all suck
Also stop the fucking flagging
 
user406009
Did StarGazer annoy the mods or something?
 
nothing related to stargazer
 
We can't discuss anything about the topic.
 
lol secret snack meetings
 
2:18 PM
Oh please it's not a goddamn top secret subpoena
@Lalaland No
 
@Mysticial you're already doing it :)
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I used to work at a retail store and this kid wanted a gamecube but his mom said no so he threw a tantrum and puked all over the floor
he got the gamecube
 
Wait, what's the deal with StarGazer? I keep hearing that and I have no idea what tha tis.
 
@CatPlusPlus so, it's a subpoena :)
 
@Prismatic Yep I do that too
 
2:19 PM
@EtiennedeMartel it's over now
 
user406009
@EtiennedeMartel It was an extension which showed you who starred what.
 
@EtiennedeMartel He wrote a websucket filter that logged stars
 
Oh, right.
 
user406009
 
user406009
2 days ago.
 
2:20 PM
@ThePhD Hmm, I haven't done much input layout stuff yet. But my personal preference is to stay away from extension, although at 90% thats almost full support.
 
@Borgleader It's core in 4.4 and there's no actual alternative in 3.3
 
Ell
@anat will you write an open protocol and sell services or what?
 
user406009
@ThePhD Note that apple is sticking to OpenGL 4.1
 
idgi, is the serial flagger an SJW type or what
 
@Ell Many brokers make their own protocol that they sell to clients and those are shittier than a cadaver in advanced state of decomposition
 
2:25 PM
we need a FlagGazer
 
Ell
so you will sell this protocol to brokers and let them use it for their clients?
 
@Lalaland I can simply use the extension version of things since most things were extension by 4.1.
Also, lol mac support
 
Ell
How does the broker actually interact with the exchange? Does the exchange run a server?
I've always wanted to know how automated trading is actually implemented logistically
 
@Ell Yes.
 
@ThePhD sounds mad o_0
 
Ell
2:27 PM
But I Havemt researched
 
user406009
@TheForestAndTheTrees One used to exist.
 
user406009
It also got killed.
 
user406009
A while ago.
 
user406009
If they open up their api again, I'll be sure to make it a reality though.
 
@Ell The exchange runs a server, but most people don't link via TCP at home because it's too slow. So the exchange runs a hosting datacenter, too, where clients who wish to connect can run their clients
 
Ell
2:28 PM
Ah I see
 
@thecoshman My current thing is to have whatever Vertex Shader that gets bound to also bind the input layout describing what it accepts as input. Then, the only thing Vertex Buffers or just plain array dumping do is spot-check their Vertex Declaration against the shader's Input Vertex Declaration. The system works but requires (in debug mode) those checks to be made, everytime a new VBO is bound.
 
@Ell Being in the exchange's datacenter means you are closest to the exchange (that's good for you) and that all clients are at the same distance, so have the same ping (that's good for the exchange)
 
I was thinking that a more flexible system would just attach the Input Layout from the Verex Buffer, and then ignore whatever the shader says it accepts (and just let garbage go into the system with no checks if the user so desires it).
 
Ell
That's clever
 
/cc @Borgleader
 
Ell
2:30 PM
Well, really simple
 
Ell
But I never knew they did it that way
 
@Ell However, the data link from the exchange's location to where other servers lie may not be that fast (fiber not fast enough), which is why some companies use microwave towers
 
I set "not looking for jobs" on SO careers and still got messages there.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "but our job is special"
 
Ell
2:31 PM
Fiber isn't fast enough? Lordy
 
Also set "not willing to relocate" and BAM job offer that involves relocation.
 
Set profile to private
 
@Mr.kbok That's insane though
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva indeed.
 
@Ell NEED MORE BOOBS
 
Ell
2:31 PM
When you say "other servers", you mean other exchanges?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dear Martinus, I have read your profile with great attention and I may have just the perfect job for you: Java developer on Android in Zaire. What do you say?
 
@Ell Yes. When passing an order you may want to check the price in different geographical locations, so you have to mitigate between the different pings
 
@Ell People are shaving nanoseconds there
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva s/Java/PHP/ s/Android/ Cloud Butt/
 
Ell
so are the clients running artificial intelligences/statistical model things?
 
2:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does your SO rep net you interest from employers? Or is it something else
 
@thecoshman ask rightfold politely
 
Ell
because surely if human brokers are on the other.end, they are the bottleneck right
 
@Ell Yes.
 
Humans are the people who throw stones in the lake, robots try to nullify the ripples. No humans, no ripples. The robots wouldn't do anything.
 
@ThePhD Oh neat, I'm using 4.4 in my ("soon" to be) graphics playground.
 
2:35 PM
@Ell Mostly traders pass big-ass orders into the system (sell 100 mil$ worth of google) and the system executes the order slowly over time with maximum efficiency
 
Ell
Ah I see
did you guys learn this on the job or take some courses at uni or what?
 
Because if you pass the order all at once, then the price will drop, and you will lose money (cause you're selling)
 
@Ell lol
 
@Ell I don't understand a shit about it personally
 
@Ell uni is mostly math.
 
Ell
2:37 PM
I see
Cool
 
terrible code
no finance training
 
shhhhhh
Anyway the maths behind the models are kinda cool
But there's nothing to love really
"let's make monies more efficiently"
meh
 
stochastic finance be funsies
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva 2 boobs + 1 vagina = 1 female with 99% certainty
 
Wouldn't want to be rich
 
user406009
2:40 PM
@thecoshman I think you are a bit obsessed.
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus Why not?
 
Ell
I started learning some machine learning
 
Why not what
 
user406009
> Wouldn't want to be rich
 
Ell
through a Stanford course thing
I didn't finishv
Life got in the way.
 
2:41 PM
@Lalaland how to sarcasm
 
user406009
Sarcasm can be a little hard to tell over the internet.
 
user406009
Especially with Cat.
 
@Ell well obviously, you are not a machine
 
Yes Cat's sarcasm is extremely difficult to detect
 
such hard, much thrust
 
2:44 PM
I think cosh is looking for a mate
 
@Mr.kbok home alone for the weekend
 
user406009
Ok, I think we really need to change topics.
 
cat isn't being sarcastic
 
Ell
Not sure if its worth going to the pub tonight
ill only be there two hours
 
@thecoshman I've sure @elyse would be willing to relieve you.
 
2:47 PM
@ThePhD Whaaa
 
@Nooble Morning!
 
Ell
Does anybody want a OnePlus Two invite? Expires in 23 hours. Ping me!
 
what's that
 
@Nooble come to IRC (see starboard)
 
2:49 PM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva lol
 
Ell
@anas can I have your email to forward it to you?
Or are you happy for me to paste it here and Hope Nobody steals it?
 
no price?
 
@Ell You can /w it to me on IRC
 
I forgot how to connect to an IRC channel. =/
 
@Mr.kbok 3000 HK$ for the 64 GB version
 
2:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus Recommended IRC clients while I begin this bumbling journey?
 
Ell
64Gb model is 389USD
 
@ThePhD KVirc
or HexChat
 
HexChat, KVIrc, or just the webchat one because you probably don't need anything advanced
 
Any prominent differences between HexChat and KVIrc?
 
Ell
@anat I'm on mobile so I can't IRC atm. I'll check the email to see receipt time, I'm home in 4 hours or so
 
2:54 PM
Sure, thanks a lot :)
 
Ell
No probs
Received at 12:40 so there's time
 
Ell
I would buy it myself if I hadn't bought the One last year
I want laser focus and USB-C :'(
cant justify that money though
On a poor students budget
Time.to board the plane. Later folks!
 
Have a safe flight, don't forget to shout ALLAHU AKHBAR during take off for maximum safety
 
@Ell See you back in home country son!
 
2:59 PM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I wonder if they can kick you off the plane for saying that.
 
most likely
 
In the USA they probably shoot you ASAP
In the civilized world I don't know but probably not happy
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva As is tradition.
 
Land of the free
bullets
 
@EtiennedeMartel idk what you mean with the backend thing because it runs better than snackchat
 
3:01 PM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I should probably not do that on my flight in two weeks, due to my beard that's growing wildly these days...
 
@Nooble yes, directly into prison
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, most of my problems are front-end related. Which means I'll have to invest some time in finding a decent client, because as it stands with WebChat, that shit's unreadable.
 
HexChat or KVIrc
 
mIRC supremacy (not reall)
 
@Lalaland Let's say 1700 Friday.
You shouldn't worry about it anyway, you can't work on anything until Saturday.
 
3:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes so erm... I'd hate to start sound like whore after her crack, but did you send on the screens yet?
 
@thecoshman You dirty, dirty screenslut.
 
user406009
@Nooble if you edit that with full context, we can pin it on the starboard.
 
The drawing of the theme shall be done on Friday at 1700 UTC!
 
@Nooble s/on/at/
pleb
 
Bring pens and paper
 
3:10 PM
@Nooble Put that in the google doc.
 
@Nooble Make that 1645
 
why?
 
because then the jam starts at 17
 
well we'll surely be gathering before fucking 5pm
 
okay
 
3:11 PM
you don't turn up for an event as it starts
 
ignore my suggestion then
 
the jam starts once we draw themes, it's the starting gun if you will
 
pew pew
 
@Mr.kbok Wait...
 
user406009
I thought we draw themes in advance? So people can come up with ideas?
 
3:12 PM
@Nooble On friday???
 
user406009
I think it would increase the quality of the product.
 
Fuck I said friday instead of saturday
YEAH I KNOW
everyone ples unstar
 
lol
noofaible
 
what a noob
 
The drawing of the theme shall be done on Saturday at 1700 UTC!
4
 
3:13 PM
faible means weak in french.
 
@ʞɔᴉN NICK
 
bring pens and paper
 
@Nooble Put that in the google doc.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I like writing my code in pen and paper first
 
@Nooble So nothing changed?
 
3:14 PM
@Lalaland do don't jams if you want quality :P
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Pretty much!
 
user406009
Sorry, I thought we were doing the theme drawing 24 hours in advance.
 
@Lalaland Yeah me too.
But then again, that's a 24 hour head start.
 
@Lalaland If you think about it, then you're already jamming (kinda)
 
user406009
@Mr.kbok No theme = no game ideas yet.
 
3:17 PM
so?
 
Lalaland has an avatar!
@ScottW Hey baby welcome back. ♥
 
@ScottW We're using a generator :v
@ScottW Well if everyone's alright with it.
 
@ScottW TELL US
 
And you don't choose something filled with sexual/explicit content.
 
woops push to talk key
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
3:21 PM
@ScottW kick
 
Fucking hell.
 
Not again...
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva why do you think we brought the bag?
flags or rape?
 
I didn't know bats had eyelashes
 
or flag rape?
 
3:22 PM
Do I need to slap someone?
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva ofc they do, they're mamals
 
I flagged the rape thingy
 
@EtiennedeMartel scott
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ why?
 
Cicada is pissing me off so much on IRC
 
3:22 PM
I can't tell if you guys have a lot of fly-by trolls or regulars just make new accounts/name changes to troll.
 
He keeps changing nicks and whatnot
It's so annoying
 
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
To be fair, he needs to cool down because it's getting ridiculous.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ lol no she doesn't
 
@EtiennedeMartel who is it?
 
Cicada, again.
It's not even funny. He's just flailing his arms around looking for attention.
 
3:24 PM
Yeah
 
I've seen that user in here before. known troll? or just bored user?
 
Bored troll.
 
~~~(o_o)~~~
 
apparently you can run some variant of windows 10 on a raspi
 
It's Cicada
 
3:24 PM
@rlemon bored user
 
@rlemon regular
 
quelle surprise
 
invalidate all flags
 
@rlemon both
 
Is there a way to call C# code from a C++ program?
 
3:25 PM
@Mr.kbok C++/CLI is your best bet
for any interop
 
Fork and exec
 
== another_cicada has changed nick to thecoshman
 
I know it sucks
 
3:25 PM
@Mr.kbok C++/CLI, host the CLR, or use COM interop.
 
@Mr.kbok yes, system("myC#Program.exe");
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ the bastard
 
@EtiennedeMartel Thanks
 
and I can't remember the password to claim that back
 
Good job
 
COM interop has the added benefit that you can do it cross process, if that's your kind of thing.
 
3:27 PM
@Morwenn unst unst unst unst
 
@EtiennedeMartel I have to host a CLR anyway right? What if there's already a CLR hosted somewhere in the process?
 
@Prismatic Unst?
 
@Mr.kbok Unlikely
 
@Mr.kbok By default, there's no CLR, unless you're doing C++/CLI.
 
Unless you don't know what your code does
 
3:28 PM
yes
 
Yeah, there's always the possibility of hidden black magic.
 
how would you describe the surprise CLR threat
 
@Prismatic Oh, it was an appropriate answer then. Sorry.
 
@Mr.kbok But hosting the CLR gives you by far the greatest amount of flexibility.
 
3:30 PM
What does "slapping" someone on IRC do?
 
I've never heard it used in a way that has a sexual connotation, just to make fun of rave music lol
 
Don't do C++/CLI.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Nothing
 
We don't do it because our C++ code runs in a separate process because those pesky engine devs like to do error handling with asserts and we don't want our tool to crash just because someone decided to pass an invalid parameter to a component.
 
> FLIGHT(S) CALCULATED AVERAGE CO2 EMISSIONS IS 1358.90 KG/PERSON
YES THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN A FLIGHT CONFIRMATION.
 
3:31 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lol, I'm sorry
 
I COULDN'T FLY WITHOUT IT.
 
Oï, those caps.
Knock it off
 
The app I'm working in has already a CLR running. Dunno how it works. It calls my native dll via LoadLibrary/etc. I want to create and show a WPF window.
 
Terrible architecture
 
yes
 
3:33 PM
WPF is seriously underdocumented.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Wait, can't you disable asserts?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Yeah, you just compile in release mode.
Asserts are only for debugging.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ What do you think happens after an assert?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Code is executed?
 
3:34 PM
Guess again :P
 
asserts are assumptions
It'll likely crash anyway
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ So you're telling me that, instead of asserting, it should crash?
 
@Griwes what is a comparable stat for someone driving in a car?
out of curiousity
 
It shouldn't do either
 
for like 3000 miles to be fair
 
3:35 PM
@EtiennedeMartel What do you think it should do? Throw an exception?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Instead of asserting, it will crash. Asserting is to find the cases where your code is passing parameters that will make it crash and fix your code so that doesn't happen.
 
Here's something to chill with.
 
@caps No, really?
 
@CatPlusPlus Be nice, cat.
 
3:36 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Probably, but then that means the code has to be exception safe. With an assert, you don't need to clean up anything! You just crash.
 
@ʞɔᴉN I don't know. What I do know is that you can't get from Wrocław to Seattle in a car.
 
So "just" wrap it up and throw exceptions
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't think @R.MartinhoFernandes will appreciate having to check the "I'm not a robot" checkbox
 
There's a longstanding effort to clean up the engine's error handling, but for now, the core issue is the engine is built upon the assumption that any error is a programmer error.
 
3:38 PM
Assertholes.
 
@Mr.kbok Anywway. What you need is to somehow get the default app domain, load your assembly and then do whatever you want with it.
So for that you need a ICorRuntimeHost.
Or wait, a ICLRRuntimeHost.
 
@EtiennedeMartel whoa, PITA
I'll have a look.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's still dumb because asserts are for invariants
It's never correct to do error checking on interface boundary with asserts
 

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