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02:00
oooh chandler have my babies~
mmmm that's not exactly it
but the idea is the same, essentially
It's fascinating in a way how traditional implementations of classic structures are so cache inefficient
alright bed time for me, its already late. Damn you Chandler for being so entertaining
@Borgleader Nighty niiight.
02:22
@Don You know those downvotes will be reversed right
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva how did you know i was question banned?
Your mass downvote is pointless and it's the second time you do it, should I escalate this to meta?
what the fuck are you talking about, lol are you drunk?
You just downvoted 4 of my answers, again
02:24
What the fuck is going on?
@Mysticial i'm being framed for serial downvoting (again)
So how do you explain your -4 rep loss
Yes, what a coincidence
You have 493 in chat and 489 on the site.
Just like last time, you lose 5 when I get 5 downvotes, they get reversed and you get 5 back. Amazing. What were the odds.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva You can also "verify" the downvotes by deleting one of the answers and waiting for the rep-recalc.
02:26
Or you can go to the users tab and type his name, it shows -4
@edition lol, and I was going to help you on your link issue, but nevermind :)
I'm so so so so so so so so so so so so sorry
But i didn't downvote you
moving on now
Yes, flagged for mod, moving on too.
Yeah, his SE profile confirms 493 for yesterday.
I hope that makes you feel better boss
So why did you do it?
This opengl function loading shit is so dumb. Why does everyone write blog posts, wiki articles, etc. Just give me a fucking chart of when I need to do it and when I don't. Its so half assed
@Mysticial I didn't
02:30
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva If you want me to kick him, speak up. This isn't the first time Don is done childish things. (such as spamming chat stars)
14 secs ago, by Don Larynx
@Mysticial I didn't
@Mysticial I'm fine with the rep loss, but kick on sight if he starts spamming flags or stars
@Prismatic Because it's platform dependent.
Assume system ABI is at 1.x and just load everything
02:31
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva shit she's gone power-hungry
@DonLarynx Your denials aren't helping you.
You know exactly what the fuck you did. And I'm starting to suspect that you may also be responsible for the flagging that's been going on lately.
No that would be an amazing coincidence
I mean what are the odds that posts get starred and flagged at the same time by the same person?
@ThePhD "Hey lets make a cross platform API! But lets also make it impossible to use without having the user do a bunch of platform specific shit. And even better, lets make it unclear what needs to be done for each platform and not centralize the information anywhere, especially not on our wiki. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea."
The star logs show that it's Don but we have nooooo prooooooooooooooooof that the flags too
02:34
@Prismatic To be fair, it's not exaaactly their fault... but it mostly is.
@Prismatic It's cross-platform precisely because it doesn't try to define extremely platform-specific things
@Mysticial you could start from reading here, too lazy to compile all of the accusations chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/25386847#25386847
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva shhh bby~ can you hear it? it's the sound of butthurt~
So anyone here having reputation points in excess of 10K means that they are a disciplinary sudo'er of the lounge?
02:35
I'm wondering if I can write a script that gets all my alts to flag you simultaneously to suspend you
Probably not because :effort:
I'll find the force to left click and plonk you
There
shhhhh~ only silence now
It's approximately 0.00002 newtons, my grandma can do it
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Don't take this personally: to what extent do you accept humorous comments here?
Remember that OpenGL doesn't care what's on the other side of the function calls, it might not even be a local system
@edition goodbye you too
@edition she's on her period bro, ignore her
02:36
Trying to come up with a init procedure that covers all possible targets and also future ones would be extremely bad
ignored
@CatPlusPlus Oh yeah, I forgot OpenGL can be like a server that just dumps calls to a client.
itt I plonk everyone
Things like WebGL would be harder to get if OpenGL defined a specific init procedure
@CatPlusPlus Okay, so give me clear and concise information on when I need to load functions for major platforms. Surely that's within the range of reason for an OpenGL Wiki?
02:38
@Prismatic Always
Just fucking load them always
Seriously.
This is a solved problem
Use something like GL Load, call one function and there, nothing to worry about ever again
Why would platforms where you don't need to load them give you an explicit way to?
Because it doesn't hurt
So I can use glloadgen on android? or mac?
02:39
Yes.
And it'll 'just werk'
OSX still requires loading
glloadgen has apple, sun os, etc. loading
I dont even think there's a function to load functions in android like glxGetProcAddress or whatever
I have a feeling it wouldnt work
Function loading is a consequence of extension-based architecture
It's p much only Apple that might get away with static set of extensions
Android is GLES so you need a bit different approach anyway
02:43
yay... won 5 games of MTG on the trot... happy puppy
@CatPlusPlus what the hell man
OpenGL Embedded Something
user406009
I believe there is a common subset though.
@Prismatic It looks like for Android, you quite literally just get the OpenGL ES functions defined for that machine. I'm not sure gllload, glew, or even glad do Android...
Let's find out.
user406009
02:52
@ThePhD For interests sake, why do you care about android? Wouldn't it be better to focus more on one platform? I highly doubt a mobile game would work really well between the two platforms anyways.
user406009
The user experience is just so different.
glad says it supports OpenGL ES right off the bat.
I think Android and iOS let you call gl functions directly by just linking against the library. However I think you can (pointlessly?) load functions with eglGetProcAddress which I think glad supports
yeah
@Lalaland The entire point of OpenGL is to write once, deploy everywhere.
user406009
I'm just arguing that gameplay designed for a PC isn't likely to port well to a mobile phone.
@Prismatic Does not explicitly support OpenGL ES: bitbucket.org/alfonse/glloadgen/issues/67/…
user406009
02:54
Touchscreen vs mouse, keyboard vs no keyboard, the sizes of the screens, etc, etc.
@Prismatic Not really
@Prismatic If you know the right function, perhaps you could patch it into the file.
"Write once" only works when you settle for lowest common denominator design
I'll probably stick to glad so I can go harass the author on #opengl if something goes wrong :p
Which is shit
02:56
Depends on what you want to do. A simple 3d application is just fine with lowest common denominator design
At the top, you can see the loading functions and defines for signature
If you want to make the latest and greatest game with Metal on iOS, ES 3.2 on Android and DX12 on WinMo, go for it
I suppose all you'd really need is to export for the OpenGL version you want that matches the ES version and then set up the eglGetProc blahblahblah
OpenGL is not LCD that's the point
Botany++. Hmm, is this a new name for Lounge<C++>?
02:57
No
user406009
I would argue that WebGL is one scenario where porting code will be useful. @ThePhD Have you looked into WebGL support yet?
user406009
@DeanSeo It's a temp name. Don't expect it to last the week.
It sounds like a deep work of genious.
It's a deep something
user406009
I really think we should change the description text as well to match though.
02:58
No
I like things that are deep.
user406009
"It's not a bug, its an important part of the ecosystem"
Well at least people in Lounge<C++> are the funniest ones on SO.
user406009
The JavaScript room also has some great jokes.
user406009
I think my favorite of the week was:
user406009
03:00
> I still use vim. Mostly because I have no idea how to exit.
What do you call a drunk C++ developer?
Java developer?
@DeanSeo I suppose, why do you think that?
aha
Lol
Drunk code is never a good idea. Neither is Java.
ballmer curve
03:02
@Lalaland I like that joke :)
user406009
Eh, Java has some benefits.
user406009
Its class loading system is very good.
user406009
Not to mention the easy cross platform compatibility.
user406009
(And of course memory safety is a big plus)
I'll take Java over C++ any day
03:06
im done being mad at opengl
user406009
@Prismatic Are you going to join Elim in the dark side of DX?
hell no, Ive just calmed down is all
maybe I will eat some candy and relax
user406009
@CatPlusPlus I really find it odd how people hate Java so much. My theory is that Java is used more by "lower quality programmers", and people attribute the bad Java code they have experienced to the language itself.
grr java
grrrava
03:13
Hey @Dean
His name is Dean.
We like Dean.
".... Deeean."
03:32
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Sup
Same ol'
Summer is almost over now.
Yep
Here all is fine, my sanity has never been higher
Cool wind from the window brightens my shit code and makes it look a little better.
Thanks that helps
03:35
Learn Mandarin.
Lol.
Get long dong
What does that prefix Fix_ mean?
Fix is a shitty ASCII-based trading protocol
The Financial Information eXchange (FIX) protocol is an electronic communications protocol initiated in 1992 for international real-time exchange of information related to the securities transactions and markets. With trillions of dollars traded annually on the NASDAQ alone, financial service entities are investing heavily in optimizing electronic trading and employing direct market access (DMA) to increase their speed to financial markets. Managing the delivery of trading applications and keeping latency low increasingly requires an understanding of the FIX protocol. == History == The FIX Protocol...
It is, needless to say, a complete horror
Are they still refusing to use any version control system?
They're slowly learning git
03:38
"Guys, I am working on Main.cpp! Don't touch it!"
No that was at my previous job
@CatPlusPlus at some point, at your and other RO's convenience, I'd like a private meeting?
What for
I am still waiting for the buzz words for my resume teehee.
> The checksum algorithm of FIX consists of summing up the decimal value of the ASCII representation all the bytes up to the checksum field (which is last) and return the value modulo 256.
Jesus christ.
This format looks like a nightmare.
03:40
do not criticize everyone uses it hence it must be good
the latency is horrible because ASCII but nobody cares
> The latest version of FIX Protocol implements "Transport Independence" by permitting multiple versions of application messages to be carried over a single version of Transport Independent FIX Session
..... What.
"The latest version says that you can use any version."
"At the same time."
"Interleaved."
Thanks, 1.1.
That just means messages are versioned separately
Not that unusual
But isn't the point of this for real-time trading?
Don't you want to... you know, slim things down?
That would require changing and that's unacceptable
And if you think Fix is awful wait until you see the ~~~custom~~ protocols developed by each exchange
That sounds like too much business rules remembering over actual programming.
03:45
@ThePhD That doesn't mean all endpoints are talking the same version
The diaper of a baby with terminal diarrhoea would be a cleaner thing to work with
The Korea protocol is hilariously bad for example
It's full ASCII, but then you encrypt it with AES (for no reason at all because there are no intermediate peers between you and market), then base64 encode it because the server only supports text???? what???
When someone shits bad code, bad code itself starts to shit.
So shit shits shit that shits shit.
So for about ~40 bytes of useful information you send a packet of about 300
good job low latency
Yo @Mysticial you still around
03:47
Mysticial is always around. <3
Ell
Ell
04:05
I'm sad that I'm awake now
@Ell :D
04:19
@Ell Why?
Would you rather be dead?
04:40
> CIL (.NET bytecode) to WebAssembly compiler
rip jabbascript
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva shut up bitch
compilel
What the fuck's going on?
Ell
Ell
Fuck I almost fainted just now
04:53
@Ell What happened?
Ell
Ell
Apparently blood leaking out of the tip of my finger does it :V
Well, maybe me seeing it
Blood has never bothered Me before though
Ah, yes, cutting yourself at extremities can make you faint
What? How much blood got leaked out of your finger?
Ell
Ell
I sliced my finger with my razor by accident
maybe running.it under water was not the wisest idea o.O
Auch.
Ell
Ell
04:55
It didn't hurt that much actually
Just lots of blood
Razoring with Loungers.
Haha.
Warning: I know who keeps raising those flags for no reason... if you don't desist, then well, you're up for a bit of a timeout... don't make it come to that - thank you.
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Flag trolls
05:15
> Approved by the ARB on 2012/06/12.
FFS.
That's REALLY early.
Or, er.
Rather.
That's really late.
Which means support from a hardware perspective might be piss poor...
extension ARB_vertex_attrib_binding
The one where you can have an input layout separate from the actual vertex buffer.
Is there a place I can look up extension coverage?
Every GPU should list its compatabilities with OpenGL, and I should be able to take GPU market share and cross-reference that with the declared latest driver support.
And therefore create a big ol' graph of "what the fuck can I use"
If it doesn't exist, I'm tempted to stop doing what I'm doing and create that graph for myself, for both D3D and also for OpenGL.
05:39
FML.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva source?
06:10
wait. webassembly is a lisp?
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva What search terms
did you use to get that?
I searched all manner of "OpenGL vendor support" and "OpenGL vendor extensions list"
Morning folks
@ThePhD opengl list of supported extensions by gpu
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds like even more minimalistic Kraftwerk.
06:21
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Huh.
I'll have to remember that.
@ThePhD Remember? :) What about a bookmark in your browser!?
@wilx Effort.
> GL_ARB_separate_shader_objects (not) [?] 635 67.7%
Not to bad.
2/3 market penetation if I use that
GL_ARB_program_interface_query (not) [?]	620	66.1%
Yeeesss.
Now, the last one.
GL_ARB_vertex_attrib_binding (not) [?]	900	95.95%
HOT DOG
I mean, it probably won't work on mobile at all.
But fuck mobile, Console and PC are all I need! \o/
What're you making? :)
WAIT
GL_ARB_direct_state_access (not) [?]	101	10.77%
... Wow.
WOW.
ONE LAST ONE
Arguably THE most important performance-boosting one
10 fucking percent.
GL_EXT_direct_state_access (not) [?]	636	67.8%
Well, thank god the EXT version has better support.
06:29
phabricator is very nice
Phabricator?
@OMGtechy I'm not really making anything.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Are you using it or looking at using it? I could do with looking at better tools than post it notes atm
@ThePhD what's the purpose of all this OpenGL shizzle then?
@OMGtechy To dick around, of course.
Of course xD
@OMGtechy looking at atm
I'm looking for Gitlab alternatives and Phabricator seems alright
06:36
Awesome, if you could let me know if you find anything else it'd be much appreciated
there's also redmine but meh
Phab appears to support memeing, i'm sold
and some atlassian product I forgot the name but $$$$$$$$$
Confluence?
possibly
> Written in PHP so literally anyone can contribute, even if they have no idea how to program.
06:38
We just stopped using JIRA talking of Atlassian
Ahahaha
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva What does Gitlab do, exactly?
Oh. It's Github, but with a bunch of CI tools.
@ThePhD Eat up all your ram then crash
@OMGtechy What did you elect instead?
Okay the list of features is quite impressive
There should be an extention of Atwoods law that states that if it shouldnt be wrtten in PHP, it will be
06:41
Did anyone mention teamcity for CI?
@OMGtechy How? That implies that all software will be written in PHP
@sehe Fogbugz </3 for political reasons sadly
Which political reasons could that be o.O
And true xD
Someone is a shareholder
I'll take a look at teamcity, forgot about them, thanks
06:44
Political reasons? You mean someone at your work is a Jeff Atwood fanboy or what
As for fogbugz, the customer support folks use, as do one of the other dev teams (although they don't like it), so rather than segment the company we bowed to peer pressure
Tbh we don't use any of the fancy features anyway, as prior to trying out JIRA we used post it notes
Yay. I answered an " question" again. :S
@OMGtechy IMO they're pretty awesome
Apparently it has nice customer suppott features or something
@sehe the quotes imply deeper meaning
True. Sadly the assembler can't go there
Here we use excel as bug tracker and feature list :D
06:48
Well now I feel better about fogbugz xD
Where do you work?
Small finance company
Real time trading kinda thing?
Awesome, London?
Forgive the 20 questions
google.com etc. won’t resolve ._.
06:54
@LucDanton sign of the end of the world
Does anybody know if you can have torn writes on x64 on 32bit integers?
@MichaelWalz People tend to dislike c/c++ double-tagging, and the sight of ` (X*)0` is a sign that this is needlessly flirting with UB. Also "what does this code do" without an idea is basically "dear lazy-web", could trigger some people. There's not a lot to love about this question, honestly (I didn't downvote) — sehe 6 secs ago
A beauty of a questino

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