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What's worse, when they started to crack down on people not having licences, there was such a backlog that they basically said, once you've had a few provisionals (which at the time was enough to drive on any way) you can just get a full licence.
With windows 10 coming out next month i want to remind people not to use xbox dvr, it causes huge input lag. To disable XBOX DVR you need to go to XBOX app > settings > DVR for games
Screenshots, records last 30 (or more) seconds of gameplay
@BartekBanachewicz between 300k and 2.5m in France
it's especially bad
because if you don't have a licence, you pay like €130 fine and that's all
you don't get the "points", you can't lose it
@BartekBanachewicz which is cheaper than getting a license
@AlexM. Neat feature though.
10:02
yea if it doesn't cause input lag for you I guess it's a nice way to share the last 30 seconds where you kill everyone or sth
(at least in France, getting a license is close to 1000€)
@AlexM. I hear no complaints on the Xbox One (though I don't really follow anything on it), must just be an implementation problem.
@FlorianMargaine what!
is that inc lessons and stuff?
oh right
works out about €500 here
price of lessons varies see
10:05
indeed
but you have to 12 of them... well, you have to adrress 12 'key topics', which ofc means instructors do one a lesson
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@thecoshman it's at least 20h of lessons here
in practice, it's more ~30h, because at 20h you often are not good enough to pass the license
depends on the cities, though. In Paris, it's more ~40h.
10:08
yeah, 12hrs more or less here.
@Xeo are your cats killing you already? :O
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No, Unreal Engine is.
Be interesting to see a good impartial review of countries driving tests
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Set culture to 'en', shows German text.
like, AAAAAAAAAAAA
see which ones really are the hardest to pass (well, the ones with the highest expectations)
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10:09
Also doesn't show any localised text in shipping build at all
what does AAAAAAAAAAAA mean in German? :P
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fucking shit, why can't this stupid stuff just work
@thecoshman also make a correlation with safety on the road
@FlorianMargaine indeed
It'd be a hard thing to compare. And you'd also have to consider the difference between what is officially tested and what is actually tested most of the time
huh, @FlorianMargaine maybe this is it?
@FlorianMargaine much cheaper
10:13
RED has given no country five stars on the premise that there’s always room for improvement.
I hate the logic
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@thecoshman What is RED?
@rightfold A colour
and once you’ve covered 3,000km driving accompanied
woah
@rightfold English driving school
The pass rate is just 39 per cent, and although the test is intentionally hard to improve safety, the upshot is that many learners end up bribing officials to get a pass. - South Africa ¬_¬
Mexico has a higher age limit than the UK, but gaining a licence here couldn’t be much easier. As long as you’re over the age of 18, you don’t even need to take a test. In fact, all you have to do is buy a licence for 626 pesos (or £28).
what the fuck
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nice
10:17
"not using the handbrake every time you stop. "
this is just terrible
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why?
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using the handbrake every time you stop is stupid
well... sure some people are really bad at not using it enough... but yeah, it's an odd rule
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especially in urban areas where you constantly have to stop
@rightfold yeah it was the other way, "you fail if you don't ..."
10:18
everyone knows the handbrake is for funturns
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Give me a self-driving car already. I'm not a C programmer.
Should I use the Expat library for parsing XML in C++ applications?
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No.
meh self-driving cars
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Use C# or Java when you need to deal with XML. They actually have tools for it.
10:20
@BartekBanachewicz Are you out of Factorio?
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plays factorio
dislikes automation
@Jefffrey I'm having guests so my evenings are taken. I might come back.
@rightfold what about memory efficiency?
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A: What XML parser should I use in C++?

Nicol BolasJust like with standard library containers, what library you should use depends on your needs. Here's a convenient flowchart: So the first question is this: What do you need? I Need Full XML Compliance OK, so you need to process XML. Not toy XML, real XML. You need to be able to read and wri...

10:21
@rightfold self-driving cars are just the least sexy thing on the planet
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yay
they are ok in traffic jams
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I'm not the least sexy thing on the planet!
but why create/be stuck in jams in the first place
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You're always the one who creates the jams here.
10:22
@BartekBanachewicz how long for?
@nabijaczleweli None, you shouldn't be parsing XML in the first place.
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btw when's the next jam
@thecoshman Not long.
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I wanna participate in Mill.
10:22
@rightfold towards end of the month
20-ish
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meh
@BartekBanachewicz well, in theory... if everyone had self driving cars, and roads were cleared for just cars, they could drive much faster safely and 'optimise' the routes for everyone to travel faster
@thecoshman if everyone had self-driving cars, ho ho
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10:26
Implementing mutexes is so easy.
@thecoshman if everyone stopped driving cars in the cities, it'd be much better as well
@BartekBanachewicz indeed we would
Automated public transports only FTW
@BartekBanachewicz humans are the slow part of a car
10:27
@Jefffrey it doesn't have to be public "the previous guy jizzed on the seat" shared cars
While we're at rehashing dumb discussions that lead nowhere
yeah most of the people can't drive for shit that's certainly true
Do you have any idea how much money the population would save from not owning 1-2 cars per family?
@Jefffrey this isn't even wrong
10:28
Nobody's forcing you to own a car
Also less pollution
I don't even have a license
More efficiency
oh stop with the pollution already ffs
People can drink all the time
10:28
Pollution is important thing to manage
You don't want aliens to fuck up your daily commute do you
can we stop this bullshit discussion now
cars produce like 0.01% of the pollution of the industry
before it evolves into "all motorcyclists are suicidal" again
optimize hot paths not irrelevant things
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Warning: Uncaught exception 'ErrorException'
10:30
@Jefffrey ITT self-driving cars promote alcoholism
Also give me one of those balls from Jurassic World
And force people to use 1-sized balls like that to travel small distances
So that you make efficient use of space
Air is not cheap kids
Ask the chinese
force people to use the kind of transportation I like
that's p much this discussion
try to force people to use self-flying drones and see what happens
oh also
forbid electric cars on the roads because they don't pay the road tax in fuel TIA
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import mill.chan
struct Mutex { private channel: chan.Chan () }
sub new(): Mutex { Mutex{channel: chan.newBuffered[()](1)} }
sub lock(m Mutex): () { chan.send(m.channel, ()) }
sub unlock(m Mutex): () { chan.recv(m.channel) }
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whooo amazing
I thought mill is dynamically typed
10:36
Interesting
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not anymore!
what do you do with the type annotations?
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check them statically
you don't have H-M I guess
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no
10:36
because subrightfolding
ADTs?
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union Option[T] {
    Some(value: T)
    None
}
pattern matching?
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probably, don't know yet
Get stuff done. A problem partially solved today is better than a perfect solution next year. Have an idea during the night ? Code it in the morning, push it at noon, test it in the afternoon and deploy it the next morning.
@rightfold still better than Wide ;)
10:38
sounds like a crazy place to work in lol
my new workplace does rapid iterations as well
Build systems that make the best decision in 50ms, half a million times per second. Across three continents and six datacenters, 24/7.
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and a killer-feature: type aliases!
Even C had those
High stakes, high rewards: 1% increase in performance may yield millions for the company. But if a single bug goes through, the Internet goes down (we’re only half joking).
sounds like a 2hardcore4life place
10:40
@Jefffrey it's hardly a meaningful observation
it's not hard to make a shitty language with a feature X
Try HQ9+
you are hardly a meaningful observator
it's in taking all those features and coming up with something actually nice
C took all those features (lol) and came up with crap
C is nice
it's not by a long shot.
@BartekBanachewicz oh well sure, if you want to start talking about how stupid taxes are :P
10:41
any modern language designer should be able to recreate a better C over one afternoon
We should have taxes in factorio
@thecoshman who should pay for road construction
I think you can actually code it in factorio
With red/green wires
Like the train comes, and you have to pay something upfront to load resources
@Jefffrey yes, well, its more like low level electronics. I've seen someone make a scrolling 'led' display that says 'FACTORIO'
you can't stop the train with wires though
which is retarded AF
this alongside belt meters are two the most needed mods IMHO
10:43
@thecoshman That's only with the new stuff from 0.12 I think
I wanted to make the belt meter actually
some time ago
no one in the lounge was interested
now that we play, would anyone be?
@BartekBanachewicz really? I wouldn't have thought it that hard to just allow you to control the block signals
Short project, just one simple mod adding this one thing.
@BartekBanachewicz a which what?
What are belt meters?
10:44
A belt that has a display on top that shows the flow
vOv belts have a maximum flow, if you are not filling that WORK HARDER!
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@BartekBanachewicz and also reified generics!
would it be like a special part you build, or just a gui mod that gives you extra info?
a special part
10:45
Yeah, I'm not sure what's the purpose of that
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And my favourite: THREADS.
@Jefffrey One room, plus shared kitchen, shared living room, and shared bathroom. (There's two of us)
@Jefffrey showing flow, duh
Yeah, but why
@BartekBanachewicz You can prolly get a nice set for less than 20 bucks.
10:46
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, that's not too bad at all, so long as you get on with each other well enough
@Jefffrey to easily find production problems
@R.MartinhoFernandes "nice"?
It's not going to be top notch quality, but then you're not running a garage.
to be fair, you can work things back easy enough to find out how much you need to put in
but I've found a lot of those tools extremely shitty
@thecoshman that's a different style of doing things vOv
one power spike and your calculations go to hell
I prefer to work with real-world production data instead of models
10:48
@BartekBanachewicz Good enough for personal vehicle maintenance basically.
@R.MartinhoFernandes k
Good to hear I guess
I don't think it's worth investing in the professional range if you're not going to be doing business out of it (because they're damn expensive)
gotta order the engine head and cylinder as well
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've found something looking reasonable for around €80
8-32mm
2 grips, one bigger and one smaller. 3 extensions of different length; pretty much that
@BartekBanachewicz That's more than twice the price of your engine block!
touche.
but I can use them for different things as well I gues
10:53
When I went to get the quotes for a stormwater pit & a mini excavator, I was told 'your plumber should be doing this' or 'someone else should be doing it' ... hilarious, it's really not that hard. Of course they want someone else doing it for $100 an hour, that would make paying $300 for a plastic container cheap. If I could build a house or making apps for 3 different OS and distribute them around the world, I could bloody drive a mini excavator or find a good valued storm water pit
Also retards should not tell intelligent people what to do without knowing what they are capable of doing to start with
oooh
I've just realized I can pay a bit more
and get Moretti parts
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@Ven for JIT compilation we could use new Function instead of eval. This doesn't suffer from the scoping problems AFAIK.
I am sick and tired of people telling me 'you can not do this', implying I am not capable of doing it. I almost want to snap back 'not everyone is as retarded as you are, dumbass'
And no, I don't know everything, but believe me, it's not that hard to find it out
mmm
€10 more
I guess it's worth it
@chmod711telkitty perhaps they didn't think they are dealing with an intelligent person in the first place
I lack some knowledge, that doesn't equal being dumb, besides the idea of talking to them often is aimed at learning something from them.
11:02
@chmod711telkitty Er, suggesting that you contact a professional is good advice in general. It has nothing to do with your intelligence.
@chmod711telkitty 'your plumber should be doing this' is not at all the same as 'you cannot do this'.
buying a stormwater pit isn't complicated, I don't need a plumber to tell me how that thing would work
while (num_remaining_frames >= 0);
{
    // ...
}
silly bug
writing websites is easy, you don't need a programmer to tell you how to write a proper backend
so is writing mobile apps
So it's building a house
or making money on the stock market
hard or not depends on the person
@StackedCrooked Easily prevented by using different brace placement v0v
11:07
Everyone has different depths and domains of intellect.
Maybe you should ask cleaners or plumbers how easy is to write a mobile app
@chmod711telkitty indeed, depends on the qualifications and experience you have. You have neither when it comes to plumbing.
I had little experience in construction before I started building this current house
I also never made or lost money before I start trading shares
I never did a half marathon before I went on and did it
@BartekBanachewicz your point is?
And oh, I would make a sucky cleaner because I don't have the patience like most cleaners
@StackedCrooked My vaporware language will fix that by disallowing not-braced blocks. :D
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@StackedCrooked *bugs, no? >= 0?
11:18
Tell me it's not unsigned.
I mean, you can't have negative remaining frames after all.
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dunno if signed or unsigned, my point was a potential off-by-one bug (entering the loop with num_remaining_frames == 0)
Ooh, folder merging in Windows 8 is nicer.
Instead of nagging you about the folders already existing and stuff, it just copies what doesn't exist, and in the end it tells you "there were N files with the same name in all that stuff you asked to copy; what you wanna do with them?"
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Was that different before?
Been using Win8(.1) for so long, I can't even remember
@Xeo Copy in order, as soon as a dupe is found STOP EVERYTHING and ask.
As a scrublord I am still using WinXP (but migrating to Win10 shortly, hopefully)
11:22
(Sure you could say yes/no to all in that dialog, but it still stopped everything)
@thecoshman that looks like it :) for the french thing, you can also start at 18 and pass theory test + 20h of practice and exam
The worst part of pirating music is that I have to look over everything to make sure the tags are proper :S
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@Ven do we want integers bounded and if so how do we deal with overflow?
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And similarly do we want NaN or exceptions?
11:32
@rightfold swap "integers" and "bounded" for a better question.
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Why?
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I like my integers unbounded!
@sehe is streaming RIGHT NOW on livecoding.tv! Go check out the stream!
@rightfold "do we want integers bounded?" and "do we want bounded integers?" are different questions.
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Yes.
11:34
The second one assumes unbounded integers are there already.
The first one kinda excludes them.
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There aren't integers yet at all.
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Only subroutines and strings.
Point is that the second one allows for both.
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ok lemme reprharese
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@R.MartinhoFernandes musicbrainz Picard!
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11:38
@Ven do we want integer types used for literals bounded and if so how do we deal with overflow?
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(For tagging music)
@Ell No need. I have foobar.
(And Picard doesn't seem to be as powerful)
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I have never used foobar
What database does it use?
Oh wait, it as scripting options too.
Haha, it's even the same syntax.
@Ell There are plugins for whatevs.
@Ell From the Picard scripting docs: "The syntax is derived from Foobar2000's titleformat."
I signed up for a music thing
workshops
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@R.MartinhoFernandes ah cool
@Ell I use online databases when ripping. When pirating you already have the data, it's just usually a fucking mess (missing album artist tag, silly comment tags, weird stupid additional tags, messed up capitalisation, etc)
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I've never actually used scripting in Picard
Ive only given it all of my songs and told it to tsg them all
11:43
I have weird tag fetishes.
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It doesn't fill in genre ever though. Which I guess kinda makes sense because subjective
Say if I have a song that comes with track title "Sweet Home Alabama (Lynyrd Skynyrd cover)", I want it to to be 'title: "Sweet Home Alabama"; coverof: "Lynyrd Skynyrd"'.
@Ell Yeah, nuking Genre is something else I do.
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@Jefffrey inb4 incredible amounts of badness.
@Jefffrey peeks in
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11:48
btw robor how bad is JS at Unicode?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes foobar can do this? o.O
or do you script in recognising various patterns?
eg .+\((.+) cover\).* or w/e
@Ell I script to filter some patterns, look over to check for false positives, then run a script to transform it.
No regex, but still usable.
@nabijaczleweli pfft
I'm failing in windows :)
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@Columbo m8 careful wot ur sayin
11:52
@sehe is LIVE RIGHT NOW on livecoding.tv! Go check out how much he sucks amazing he is at Windows!
Wow just wow.
You are the first one here.
Ready to join the video call?
@Jefffrey Very successful
@rightfold Regular UTF-16 level of bad.
Unusable regices.
Apparently it was 55minutes ago
or something
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@R.MartinhoFernandes :v
@sehe your install seems borked
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11:55
ES6 has normalisation features, but I want to target ES5. :<
@sehe what are you trying to do anyhow?
so run that command, maybe even fully quoted
oh wow he's reading what I'm saying
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> 'bukkake\xF1' === 'bukkaken\u0303'.normalize('NFC')
true
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whoo shiny
or he's just really sucking at VS.
@rightfold Actually, more like UCS-2 level of bad.
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i.e. charCodeAt and such can't UTF-16.
fromCharCode(0x1F34C) doesn't work.
You need to explicitly give the surrogate pair.

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