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17:05
My mumble client keeps disconnecting.
Join the mumble and be cool with us! - IP: loungecpp.sehe.nl
That's not an IP, by the way.
whatever, it works
Ell
Ell
edit it!
host: loungecpp.sehe.nl
@Ell too old
17:16
I can unpin it, and then you do it again.
Alright
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Good?
> Fabled CD-playing, SNES-compatible “Play Station” prototype found in a box
Result of ill-fated Nintendo-Sony partnership to bring CD games to the SNES. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/fabled-sony-nintendo-play-station-prototype-discovered/
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interesting
this is a really sad song :<
it's really bad when sad songs sound great because I can't listen to them often
everyone post what mouse they use
user1804599
> Templates considered harmful
i have scrounged up gift money and I need to buy a new one
17:30
A mouse
Yes exactly that mouse
Except it was cheaper
user1804599
Pros: indestructible, no hundreds of pointless buttons, excellent shape.
cyoot
user1804599
17:31
Cons: not self-cleaning.
5 buttons are the perfect number. left, right, wheel click, front, back
Is @sehe dead?
I have a roccat lua and a razer deathadder that I left in the drawers
I don't know if it's broken because of hardware or because of drivers
but I like the lua more anyway
17:33
I just walked in a store at one point, looked at their mice, and this was the only Logitech model that was corded.
Wireless mice are for idiots.
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel too many buttons.
user1804599
It has more than three buttons.
lol my friend bought wireless touchpad that never moves
@EtiennedeMartel I like that mouse, though I don't like the tiny front and back buttons on it
17:34
hey firefly responded to my complaint about the game on steam
> EaglePrince probably said it best and it's a behavior we've noticed too, so it's something we're currently looking into (at least when attacking the Lord).
@rightfold Have you ever tried a mouse with front and back buttons?
@AlexM. Razer? Boy, you like wasting money.
user1804599
No.
user1804599
Only with front buttons.
@EtiennedeMartel ikr and I'm not even using it
17:35
@rightfold they're really handy
after it started double clicking on single click I just said fuck it
user1804599
What for?
the lua is smaller so I can lift it easier
without my hand hurting
There's never enough buttons
yesterday, by Etienne de Martel
Life is hard in in the French Balkans.
17:37
@AlexM. Why TH would you want to lift your mouse
To throw it
When you lose serious vidya games
@nabijaczleweli To get in shape.
inb4 "do u even lift"
@rightfold maps to back and foward on browsers and file explorers... also in my IDE, it maps to places you start editing or files you switch to. Its really awesome
user1804599
I don't use file managers and IDEs.
user1804599
And I navigate in browsers using the keyboard.
17:39
@nabijaczleweli see the top right youtube.com/watch?v=ct8U06Wonhk
@rightfold vimperator?
user1804599
No.
user1804599
Vimium.
oh you use chromium
user1804599
17:41
Alright. Let's try FogBugz.
logitech g303; small with front and back buttons. Unfortunately it has dumb ricer LEDs and likely an EXTREME PRECISION GAMER sensor that makes it $70 :[
@nabijaczleweli is it clear now?
@AlexM. Still watching....
you don't need to watch the video
just how the hand of that guy moves while playing
10 seconds in the middle or sth is enough
awesome. "Your phone number is invalid" but it won't let me type parenthesis, hyphens, nor periods in the box.
17:43
recently I discovered this great pdf reader
I play with 1000dpi and 1 sens
I think a full swipe on my pad = a 90 deg turn in the game
Interesting....
I have a Logitech G502 Proteus Core.
Pretty good, got it on Christmas.
@TBohne Phone numbers have none of those things
17:49
@CatPlusPlus chrome auto-filled-in my nine digits and I got the error message
@Nooble fancy
@CatPlusPlus apparently I had to delete the auto-fill and type it in manually, and the website's java script inserts parenthesis and hyphens.
@nabijaczleweli the two main ideas are being able to closely follow your enemy's movement when he moves slowly or at a long range and being consistent in your aim
@TBohne lol
user1804599
@Nooble horrible.
17:50
if you need ample mouse movements to do things it's easier to map your brain to them and do it out of reflex
it's hard to be consistent when the tiniest mouse move has serious effects
@rightfold It's fine.
user1804599
no
user1804599
bad shape and too many buttons
Don't argue with rightfold
19 hours ago, by nabijaczleweli
@nick rfold said so. Do NOT argue with rfold
17:52
when did newegg start reselling from stores like amazon?
When they hatched
Recently I've been using my Logitech M510 more. It's more comfortable.
And it's wireless.
Your mouse is broken someone cut your cable
17:55
@CatPlusPlus inb4 flag
Wireless mice are the best
@CatPlusPlus My poor latency!
who cares about latency, its replacing batteries thats the pain
17:56
I haven't ran out yet, and I've been using that thing for like 6 months.
I should buy some rechargeable batteries.
@Prismatic omigod last night I had to replace the batteries for the first time in a year, i'm like omigod
I tried a wireless keyboard once at ~40cm or so from the bluetooth thing
often it would stop writing things
it was not very cheap but not expensive either
it was made by HP tho so I didn't expect that bad in the way of performance
@nabijaczleweli I just don't like managing batteries for wireless devices. Its even worse when they have those stupid receivers
They should make mice and keyboards like console controllers; you can plug them in with a standard usb cable to charge
Guys if you're outputting to console, do you put periods at the end of the output?
Whaaaaaaaat
@nabijaczleweli Would you do std::cout << "I like wireless mice"; or std::cout << "I like wireless mice."?
@Nooble Aaaaaaaah.
Depends on whether it's a sentence, I guess
May 30 at 1:12, by StackedCrooked
The person that is typing Pamela's answers is really good at what she does.
The online petition to push Ellen Pao to resign is now at 23k signatures.
lol reddit
18:05
lol cat
she's not very pretty
most people aren't very pretty
One more question: return 0 or return EXIT_SUCCESS in main()?
@Nooble No return
Not needed
@Nooble throw 0;
18:06
@StackedCrooked All koalas are pretty.
@StackedCrooked sorta yea
@Nooble Btw, ..EXIT_SUCCESS? That's STUPID.
tho I gotta say the majority of girls I see while going out consists of pretty
not all but the majority
@StackedCrooked Why so?
guys tend to be unpretty as fuck tho
18:07
It's cargo cult crap.
@Nooble Name an OS which is so fucking stupid to not have 0 === SUCCESS
@Nooble the one that looks the least like C
@Nooble None at all.
no added value, but there people that imitate the practice
@nabijaczleweli Good point.
Xeo
Xeo
18:09
@StackedCrooked BUT ON SOME PLATFORMS MAYBE MUMBLE MUMBLE
Speaking of mumble...
this is the proper way to write your main @Nooble
struct Success
{
	static const int Value = 0;
};

auto main() -> decltype(42)
{
	return Success::Value;
}
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@Xeo THOSE PLATFORMS ARE STOOPID AND SHOULD BE BEATEN TO THE GROUND GRUNT GRUNT
listen to me I know my shit
Use explicit return 0 to annoy people who get mad at explicit return 0
18:10
return NULL;
Xeo
Xeo
@AlexM. Boo, -1, should be decltype(42)
fixed
@AlexM. Ok Vlad.
@Xeo Should be decltype(auto)
More important is to keep the main method clean and clear. But no, people start having discussions on the return statement.
user1804599
18:12
return 2^32-30;
anyone else think windows 10 looks kinda ugly
Recently I had a meeting where I proposed a few practices concerning namespace usage, include headers and directory structure. Most of the time was spent on a discussion about detail namespaces.
@Prismatic I like it.
im just going off screenshots, maybe its different when you used it
@Prismatic Worse...
18:15
I don't care about your detail namespaces.
@StackedCrooked in my newest project, namespaces mirror directory structure... feels really nice actually
Looks exactly as 8
you know exactly where to look for stuff and it makes including files very consistent
@Prismatic That's what I proposed. Like boost, poco do it.
@Prismatic Well, we all hope that the folder structure never changes...
18:16
Also to order headers in descending order of abstraction level. In order to prevent hidden dependencies. And an ordering convention was really needed at this point.
Because it was total chaos.
And now realise that C++ will never have modules
maybe if we insist with the hitler videos?
user1804599
Use Go.
18:18
#import Hitler;
user1804599
It has no re-exporting and leaving unused imports is an error.
Do you think the major people in the C++ committee will ever take a break and say "Okay, lets start working on a modern successor"? Would there even be any point?
user1804599
no
@Prismatic isn't that how D started?
C++ committee members are paid by their company to contribute to C++ in the interest of that company.
user1804599
18:21
C++ already takes too much time to add more horrible cruft to, and alternatives already exist (C#, Java, Haskell, Python, D, Go, Erlang, etc).
Ugh I think I'm starting to be sick
@TBohne I know andrei alexandrescu is involved with D, but I dont know how many other c++ 'heavyweights' are
@Prismatic just him really
So, for example, Michael Wong must never make a vote that would be disadvantageous for IBM. (Like removal of trigraphs.)
@rightfold Yeah the point was that because adding stuff takes so long maybe its time to clean the slate. Look how fast 'new' languages like Go and Rust and all move
user1804599
18:23
uuuuuuh
user1804599
adding stuff should take long
@Prismatic No, we don't want them anywhere near modern languages
@Prismatic It's also how Swift started.
user1804599
the point is that the goal is wrong: they are adding stuff while they should be deprecating and removing stuff for a at least a few decades instead
@Prismatic I think that's more of a bureaucratic problem and less of a language problem.
18:24
It's also how Go started.
@Prismatic Time and time again this comes up
user1804599
Go started because the compilation times of C++ were too long.
It would not be C++
Which is greatest strength of C++
And it already exists
@Prismatic I don't think Rust is production ready. Go is good at what it does I suppose.
Rust released 1.0
18:26
@StackedCrooked I thought they are being removed in like c++17 (just like modules were supposed to get in c++17 lol)
user1804599
@StackedCrooked you should try Go.
@nabijaczleweli i have the night off
user1804599
I'm sure you'll like the networking and concurrency features.
@Prismatic Probably it will. If the majority votes in favor.
I've never used Go but I saw this example where you had to recreate an entire class for every different type of integer you want to pass to it. It seemed idiotic
18:27
@rightfold Maybe. But I'm busy.
user1804599
@Prismatic You don't.
I still need to learn the visitor pattern.
user1804599
I've also seen many examples of horrible code that didn't represent anything of importance.
Right now I have some fairly lengthy code that I need to template on the type of a FP (float or double)... it would be madness to maintain two copies
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Visitor pattern is a stupid boilerplate-heavy idiom to avoid if (dynamic_cast) else if (dynamic_cast) chains.
user1804599
18:28
because OBJECT OREITNED PROGRAMMING
user1804599
@Prismatic why do you need both float and double?
user1804599
Why does just double not suffice?
Just use float. It is implicitly convertible to double!
Whatever doubles your boat
short would be most efficient.
but it sucks at FP artithmetic
user1804599
18:32
Half-precision floating point number. :p
@rightfold there's a half type in opengl
I like that Clojure has fractions.
6/7 yields 6/7
user1804599
I dislike how in Clojure (* 1/2 2) results in an integer but numerator and denominator don't work on integers.
Most Lisps do
user1804599
@Prismatic why do you need to manipulate both floats and doubles?
18:33
God I hate singletons.
Because he's a manipulative bastard
single moms
@rightfold I could use only doubles, but that means double the storage space
user1804599
Go wasn't meant to be used for solving CPU-bound problems (goroutine scheduling isn't even pre-emptive so you'd pretty much only run into trouble). C++ and Rust are well-suited for that (and only for that). If you need to quickly perform calculations on huge amounts of floating point numbers, don't use a language that was primarily intended for I/O-heavy programs.
The SingleMom pattern is one to avoid.
18:34
Also I pass everything to OpenGL as a float but its weird... because to maintain precision I sometimes need to calculate things in doubles first but not always
If I template on double / float I can also specialize for versions of OpenGL that support double precision without really doing a lot of extra work
thought thats not really too important since I dont care about opengl 4 yet
Well, ok then.
Templates were invented for that purpose.
Templates were invented to warm up houses and kill compile times
user1804599
If you're really desperate, you can use the go generate command to generate code as part of the build process, or use interface{} to store either []float32 or []float64 and then use reflection, but you're probably using the wrong programming language for the problem.
18:38
#define float double
code generation seems handy
@Prismatic and php, of course
mike acton likes code generation
isnt someone here giving a cppcon talk soon or something
My favorite quote concerning caches is this one:
(at the 9 minute mark)
most software == "blips between cache misses"
My software is all blimps
18:42
@StackedCrooked nowhere as cool as #define private public when unit testing
and then leaving me scratching my head with a thousand linking errors
user1804599
@Prismatic Or another solution, where you use float64 in the API and leave storage to the implementation: play.golang.org/p/wtmzmX9wZ_
has anyone played around with swift
I swiftly decided that I'm not interested
Coli... oh fuck error.
ecoli-ru
user1804599
18:44
E. coli
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Busy with what?
user1804599
I bet fapping.
I fap betting.
@CatPlusPlus your puns for the last few minutes have been really bad and you should feel bad
I reddit and couldn't believe it
@AlexM. Cool band
18:47
user1804599
> Sweden’s politicians and judges should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. The only possible defence for their behaviour is insanity.
user1804599
lol
Being mean to kitties is capital offence
Off with their head
@CatPlusPlus Nice voice.
18:49
@StackedCrooked Noice
Thanks, ants
Worst singers are the death metal ones.
user1804599
That's a pie, not a cigarette.
@rightfold A pie that only smokes from one end.
bad bank == your money is screwed
cool
19:00
@MarcoA. I don't get that from the article
Sounds pretty reasonable, actually. If a bank does stupid shit, they have to first pay up before the government has to go in and fix it.
@EtiennedeMartel and the people who make money off the bank
(still reasonable)
Yep.
Now, maybe Italy has a lot of shitty banks which means the entire country is doomed.
Everytime any of my phones does network IO, performance drops terribly. I mean, if I'm playing AngryBirds, and someone sends me a text, my framerate drops to zero for like 5 seconds. I can't figure out which of my apps is causing the problem though :/
19:06
what phone is it
user1804599
lol this guy goes 67km/h on a bicycle
user1804599
he uses a chainsaw
@Prismatic one Motorola, one Samsung, and one... I forget
so its android
@CatPlusPlus nobody else seems to be encountering this issue
19:08
I wonder if Google will ever phase out Android
@Prismatic unlikely
user1804599
The only subreddit I care for that went private is /r/ImGoingToHellForThis.
user1804599
It's the only interesting subreddit.
@EtiennedeMartel it is reasonable, but people who store money there have no fault nonetheless
there is no simple solution
19:17
@MarcoA. The press release mentions "share holders" and "creditors", not the people who have accounts there.
@EtiennedeMartel that is true, although another article I found mentioned owners of bank accounts
perhaps I misread it
@EtiennedeMartel ...repetitive?
@CatPlusPlus All music is repetitive if you're reductive enough.
You really don't have to be reductive here
@EtiennedeMartel nope, also account holders (repubblica.it/economia/2015/07/02/news/…)
19:20
@CatPlusPlus Also, no, they constantly jump between time signatures and stuff. It's no more repetitive than any other kind of somewhat progressive rock.
I can't find an English source. Anyway it mentions that "banks internal problems will have to be solved 'internally' with shareholders and owners of bank accounts above a certain threshold"
the threshold seems a bit reasonable though, 100K€
(not terribly reasonable.. it's the amount of money you need to buy an apartment)
@MarcoA. That's a ridiculous cashdown.
gah, I wrote a PR and R# formatted stuff creating a noisy diff.
Anyway newspapers are already crafting fake titles: "banks will take your money if they fail!"
clickbaiting ftw
~~journalism~~
19:23
~~Italy~~
~~Grand Theft Government V~~
(The very existence of Berlusconi will always make think of Italian journalism as a long overdue running gag).
Newspapers are not selling journalism to readers, they sell clicks to ad buyers.
Etienne is well informed
@JohanLarsson Yes, because everyone wants news but nobody wants to pay for them, so news outlets have to turn to advertisers because at the end of the day you need to pay your rent.
19:26
poor strategy long term.
but newspapers are dead any way long term
Yeah, well, desperate strategies are rarely thought for the long term.
s/desperate/corporate
Never accuse people of thinking
4
Voltaire right?
Evening
19:28
@Puppy evening puppy
user1804599
@Ven I implemented a prototype for channels for in the JS Mill VM: jsfiddle.net/f9d3jvrt/6 (currently without select).
@Puppy Good evening.
Getting out of Paris tomorrow morning, yay!
19:44
At Dubai airport guis
Arriving at Paris tomorrow morning, yay!
This WiFi is shittier than usual WiFi
Why are you in Dubai, @butt?
Business trip?
@buttifulbuttefly Can't you just fly like a butterfly to Paris?
Like a Buttefly 380
It's 9pm on Friday night, do you have your drink ready?
19:55
I'd prefer a Butterfly 747-800.
@nabijaczleweli Going on holiday to the best country ever: Yurop
@buttifulbuttefly Ah
@buttifulbuttefly Shame it only has one state, fooked
@thecoshman Necessarily an alcoholic one?
Yeah the capital is London and they speak French (or Polish?)
19:55
@nabijaczleweli yes?
@buttifulbuttefly Polish
@buttifulbuttefly Those are the same languages.
All Yuropans speak Polish
@buttifulbuttefly No silly, London is just an area, England is the capital
Also wow only 1h of free wifi looks like someone wants to force me to change MAC address
19:56
Yuropantoona.
> paying for shitty wifi
> 2015
@buttifulbuttefly nah, just clear cookies
@buttifulbuttefly Oh god they had that at JFK airport.
Xeo
Xeo
#buttifulwifi
Clearing cookies will not work.
Not for JFK airport anyway.
19:57
You're in an airport, I'd be amazed if you didn't have to pay to sit
@buttifulbuttefly Why are airports so shit with this
In Korea it's like wifi grows on trees, you're nearly always covered by free high speed wifi
I don't know how they do it
Also no login page
Korea best Korea
fuck I hate those shitty login pages
though I do love toying with them, "Please enter your email" "sure, [email protected]"
(which don't necessarily work on all mobile devices)
@BartekBanachewicz you around for some factorio shortly?
god damn fucking fly right up in my face >:
19:58
@thecoshman And then they'll send a confirmation link.
@buttifulbuttefly With money and political decision making.
No I mean the coverage
@Nooble nope, just let your right on in
Even the subway has LTE :w
holly shit really?
19:59
butt is spoiled so hard
I bet they scoff at LTE though
@buttifulbuttefly So does the NYC subway.
The Montreal metro is starting to get LTE coverage in some sections.

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