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10:00 AM
It didn't, really
 
@rightfold If your regular expressions aren't regular expressions then maybe you should change the name to be not confusing (e.g. "matching expressions")
 
user1804599
It's a joke. I occasionally laugh at regular expression languages that fail to be Turing-complete.
 
Algorithm for partitioning hard drive into distinct primes
 
1. Get an axe
 
easy
 
user1804599
10:01 AM
Also those that inconsistently escape metacharacters.
 
user1804599
Is ( special or is \( special? No idea! How about [ and \[? No idea either but probably the opposite of parentheses!
 
"Matching expressions" is a better name than "regular expressions"
 
and don't forget to escape the escape char...
 
Ell
turing expressions
 
\\\\\\\(\\\\\\\\\*
sounds about right ^
 
10:05 AM
@FilipRoséen-refp For you then ^
 
@sehe will read. thanks.
 
@sehe Sounds like the movie Predestination was inspired by it
 
Heinlein inspired many
 
@sehe bored again, seen the movie Predestination.
 
I didn't.
 
user1804599
10:08 AM
> Independent observers from Zimbabwe, China, Russia and North Korea say that the elections in Turkey may have been conducted fairly.
 
@rightfold inb4: awesome eyesight
 
mmm got a response from the dean
 
user1804599
> They noticed a worrying number of seats for the opposition and expressed concern about the proper conduct of the elections.
 
he got interested when I mentioned FP
apparently he's doing his own research in this area
sounds really cool
 
@rightfold Oh is this from the onion
 
10:12 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes @thecoshman also the mention that police has to fine a set number of people is actually true
they have to catch 1.7M people speeding
 
user1804599
@TheForestAndTheTrees no.
 
it's more that in the previous year and well
 
I just grabbed my pack of smokes (thinking it was the mouse), slammed it on the table and let out a little-to-loud "fucking piece of shit never works". I am probably famous at the university soon enough.
6
I am bored, in desperate need of coffee, and I'm on a computer running ubuntu - someone, please, shoot me in the head.
maybe I'm menstruating.
 
@Xeo are you coming to Uncon?
 
@AndyProwl I don't think he is, and that might be my fault
:(
 
10:18 AM
How come?
 
because originally he was going to stay at my place, and then I had to decline because I had planned to be out of the country in June.
Now I am in the country, but I think its too late
 
Oh, I see. I thought you made sexual advances to him :D
 
wat
 
nothing, bad joke
 
user1804599
10:20 AM
Is there a terminal UI for DF?
 
user1804599
I don't want to install SDL.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp That's good stuff you smoke :P
 
@AndyProwl I am good at smoking, that's for sure.
pretty much my only skill
 
12:23, still no sign of anyone
god
These fucking people
 
10:24 AM
@FilipRoséen-refp Pretty sure that's not why university hired you
 
which people are those?
 
@CatPlusPlus If they're fucking, no wonder they don't show up
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Ubuntu is pretty good.
ducks
 
ISP techs
 
@AndyProwl brown, kinda-young, guy who sags his pants; I reckon it's because of diversity
@Griwes no comment
 
10:25 AM
@AndyProwl Good, original joke
Heh I complained and they showed up
That's how you do things
 
Do I win a prize
 
Prowly not.
 
Hello buttefly
 
Hi Andy
 
I am probably overthinking it but these benchmarks do not make sense.
 
10:33 AM
user image
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^ Buttiful sutterfly
Ok, I know where the door is. Cheers
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'll stay with lua for a while
yay I passed all college stuffs today
 
The plural would be stuves
 
@AlexM. Saw it too. Ambidex (meh) and too small for my taste really.
Bigger roccats look nice though
 
I am here for students who would like to have their work reviewed (in order to get a higher grade) before the summer starts, the problem is that the sun is shining and I reckon most will come in later this week
that, in turn, means that I'm bloody bored with nothing to do
I just sit here.
higher grade includes going from F to.. non-F
 
user562566
@sehe I couldn't vote to delete and besides, after bringing it up on meta, it was a mistake on my part and the moderators part.
 
Xeo
10:43 AM
@TonyTheLion Nah, I got my two cats right now.
 
people copying their assignments is such a big problem that I got a "I see you've done this on your own so I'll give you a 9/10" today :\
 
Xeo
Gotta get them used to each other n stuff.
 
Rule 1. never bring anything to meta unless you enjoy being wrong about something
 
@Xeo ah ok
 
Xeo
Not having a place to stay just gave me another nice excuse :P
 
10:44 AM
heh
 
Xeo
So yeah, no Unconference for me this year, unfortunately.
 
@xeo woah two
 
@Xeo Oh, it's two now?
@Xeo :(
 
Xeo
Ye
 
Did you post pics of the 2nd?
 
Xeo
10:45 AM
Way ahead of you.
 
user562566
@buttifulbuttefly shockingly, I didn't get 40 downvotes.
 
Xeo
13 hours ago, by Xeo
Log Entry, Day 3, Evening: Less hissing from both parties. Stella doesn't hide under the couch when I enter the room. This day of Project 2nd Cat ends on a slightly positive note.
 
@Xeo Nice kitty.
 
Ell
@FilipRoséen-refp do they pay you?
I forgot how old you are. Are you currently doing a degree?
 
Xeo
10:49 AM
@TonyTheLion She has really shiny fur.
You can't see it too well on the pics
 
I love black kitties
fit my black soul well :P
 
Xeo
Taiga has fluffy-wuffy fur, and Stella got sleek-silky fur.
 
@Ell I get paid. 25 years old, no degree
 
Xeo
*paid
 
I wish I could keep a cat. Damn rental agreements
 
10:50 AM
@Xeo thanks.. I'm mad tired today for some reason
 
no degree no gramer
 
Xeo
Go take a nap :P
 
@TonyTheLion genetically modify it so it is no longer considered a "cat", ???, profit.
 
Xeo
@FilipRoséen-refp Degrees are overrated! (unfortunately by the people that will pay you...)
 
@FilipRoséen-refp erm no
 
10:51 AM
@Xeo agreed, muchly, very, yes.
 
I don't have a degree, I have a moderately well paid job.
 
Xeo
Same
 
not that I have any relevant experience in such field, but still
only from what I've heard from others
 
@Xeo oh wow, for some reason I thought you had a degree.
 
I also assumed @Xeo have a degree
 
10:52 AM
> Any kind of size assessment
 
not sure why
 
@sehe hehehehehehe
 
Xeo
Well, I kinda do. I got that Games Academy certificate thingy.
 
You have more than I do
 
Xeo
But it's a private school thing and I don't really know how widely accepted that is
also, my grades aren't too good.
Because I stopped giving a fuck about a lot of the subjects
 
10:54 AM
how can i get the fractional part and whole part from given number ?
ex: 3.563
 
Xeo
So yeah. Ordinary level education, kinda-something game-related certificate.
 
lol first year in college and I am already there. Jk I need to pass this shit.
 
@underscore fpart and ipart (also consider parting from this room ASAP)
 
Xeo
Luckily, the degree situation here is by far not as crazy as in the US or so.
 
@buttifulbuttefly why ?
 
10:55 AM
no justification
 
@underscore std::modf.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ffs get you act together!
 
What's robot done now?
 
#include <iostream>
using namespace std;
std::modf;
 
Xeo
He's too kind, he's giving away everything to strangers - even his wallet with ID n stuff. :P
 
10:58 AM
@FilipRoséen-refp ?
 
@TonyTheLion gave his wallet away to strangers
 
@underscore yikes don't use using namespace std;
@thecoshman oh robor
 
31:28: error: invalid operands of types 'float' and 'int' to binary 'operator%'
what is this say
 
listening to students explaining code written in haskell is fucking hilarious
 
@underscore it is an error diagnostic, ask on stackoverflow (prepare for down-votes) or read a book. the latter is recommended
 
@underscore make your number variable an int, problem solved
 
i can't
i going to find the binary number for any given floating number
just like
31.659
 
How often do we have to link to modf?
 
ffs, someone's already linked to it
why did I bother
 
11:13 AM
Hello!
 
Fucking WiFi works worse than the goddamn LTE modem
How I loathe this piece of shit technology
 
Ell
@Mr.kbok hi
 
I use cables
 
Ell
where is @scottw again
I use EoP or w/e it's called
 
@CatPlusPlus Works OK-ish for me. Of course, I don't use it for anything latency-sensitive.
 
11:16 AM
@Mr.kbok hi
 
time for a smoke.. again
 
@MartinJames Cat doesn't know the meaning of "OK-ish". It's only either shit or shit.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah.. forgot that:(
 
the parallel computing prof was nice
too bad I never went to her labs
:<
 
user1804599
Amazingly comprehensive map of every country in the world that uses the MMDDYYYY format http://t.co/aNFOHW3oiC
 
11:23 AM
she seemed to be the listen-more-than-talk-and-listen-a-lot-and-well type
I get along great with people like that because I get someone to not mind listening to me
e.g. my best friend is like that
 
@MartinJames I get more lags on SSH than I did yesterday
TECHNOLOGY OF THE FUTURE
Hell even chat is lagging
 
> use shitty hardware
> complain about shitty experience
 
laffo
 
> Mobile phones are shitty
> I won't pay €300 for a phone lol
 
300€ mobile phones are no better, just more expensive
tip: its the platform
 
11:25 AM
> I am using cheap wifi from my isp's crappy router
> LOL WIFI IS DED
 
@rightfold I had a colleague who told me that this format was better because if you name your files like this then they're ordered by date.
 
ID RATHER SPEND 300€ ON WIFI EQUIPMENT THAN 10€ ON CABLES
 
user1804599
They're ordered by date if you do YYYYMMDD.
 
Xeo
@Mr.kbok YYYY-MM-DD is best for that
 
OTOH he was a crazy asshole
 
Xeo
11:26 AM
MMDDYYYY groups same days from different years together
 
Yeah ^^
 
@CatPlusPlus you can also spend that on potatoes and it will be as relevant
 
user1804599
Also stop making presentation dictate your data structure.
 
I think someone told him about Y/M/D and he messed up
 
11:27 AM
You have no sense of cost efficiency
 
yes, cat, you're the only one who possesses this unique ability
 
@CatPlusPlus Well I guess it depends on where your cables have to run
 
False dichotomy
 
If you have to drill a hole in the ground I can understand the need for wifi
 
@CatPlusPlus your statement was equally false so 1:1
 
11:28 AM
I think Cat is having a bad case of "The Mondays"
 
Wifi won't penetrate ground so
 
You mean "the cats"
 
@BartekBanachewicz What
 
@FilipRoséen-refp agreed
 
Spewing out shitty rants based on anectodal experience with shitty hardware is what keeps the internet going
 
user1804599
11:28 AM
Oh, is a mountain.
 
user1804599
I thought it was a house.
 
@CatPlusPlus um, yes it does
 
@Mr.kbok his router's doesn't, so clearly no-one's can.
 
@buttifulbuttefly oh that. Took me forever to spot the context for that ping
 
but then again false dichotomies everywere ain't they
 
11:29 AM
Yes, race has implications on size assessments. But that's not politically correct
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well from his POV 0% of wifi routers penetrate ground lol
 
Do you even know what that means
 
It means that everybody knows penetrating the ground isn't satisfying
 
user1804599
> Symbol ⌂ (HTML hexadecimal code is &#x2302;) represents a house or a home.
 
user1804599
11:30 AM
AND I WAS CORRECT FUCK YOU DF
 
@CatPlusPlus it means you just keep on hating for the hating itself and it's tripping me up time to time because it's the same old boring unbased anectodal opinionated crappy BS
 
Also keep assuming I only base this on one isolated incident
 
but then again I remind myself who I am talking to and it kinda blows over
 
Ugh
Yeah bye
 
lol
(my turn for that)
 
11:31 AM
U+2302
Name: HOUSE
 
Speaking of drills I gotta borrow one
 
I think my girlfriend actually enjoys programming
 
Noun: permeability (usually uncountable, plural permeabilities)
  1. the property of being permeable
 
it's for the convenience you see
@Mr.kbok nice!
 
@Mr.kbok can your wifi penetrate that
 
11:32 AM
She's taking a, uh, ahem, PHP course on codecademy
@sehe Do wifi penetrate people ?!?
 
.... uhoh. Spoiled forever
@Mr.kbok Yes
 
@Mr.kbok dude
this is not how you programming
 
Well, she wants to make a wordpress theme so
 
0
A: How should boost::lockfree::spsc_queue's read_available and write_available be used?

seheAny kind of size assessment is going to be a race in the lockfree world. Simple reason being that the size might be changed on other threads before you act on the "measured size". Single-Producer/Single-Consumer is special in the sense that the consumer knows nobody else can read from the the q...

Do y'all agree Boost docs are wrong here?
Because then I'm off filing another issue. I will actually, but pondering never hurt
 
11:35 AM
@Mr.kbok dunno if starting with shitty tech is the way to learn "proper" programming though.
 
You know, she's probably only going for web because that's the only things she needs to get done
Going for theming wordpresses is good because you can learn the frontend
 
@BartekBanachewicz you'll be surprised at the fact that "getting" the concept of programming really doesn't depend much on the cleanliness of it
 
Afterwards I guess we'll see. Maybe she'll do some node
 
Remember how you learned to play (any instrument at all)
 
@sehe mmm, yeah. Don't see the connection (yet).
 
11:37 AM
@sehe PHP is very difficult to "get" though. Most of it doesn't make sense.
 
Good for you
(so that's what they call it these days?)
 
While explaining things I realized how crazy PHP is
 
Most of programming doesn't make sense
 
Yeah but PHP isn't even trying
 
@sehe I think it's important to make it as clean as humanly possible. You don't need to understand 20 years of industry development in C to sort numbers or strings you want to print out.
 
user1804599
11:38 AM
I need a simplex noise implementation.
 
@rightfold there's one in my minicraft repo
1d, 2d and 3d I think.
 
Besides beginners don't know or care it doesn't make sense
It's all the same
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz nice lemme see.
 
@CatPlusPlus they do care if things like that introduce additional complexity
 
user1804599
11:39 AM
Translating it to Go should be fairly easy.
 
it's dumbed-down C, so yeah
 
I subscribed on airpair and codementor
I really didn't know what kind of rate to put
 
@Mr.kbok by "subscribed" you mean "registered"?
 
yeah
 
got an accept on CM already?
Puppy didn't make it I think
 
11:41 AM
no, I just did it
How long does it take?
 
> clean as humanly possible
contradiction paradox detected
 
@Mr.kbok I can't say because I got it pre-approved. @Ell has a verified account IIRC
 
Anyhoops. People learning to program are really trying to "understand what the computer does". The computer simply holds a lot of state. Programs are about mutating that state.
 
Ell
@Mr.kbok didn't take long for me
a day or two
 
11:42 AM
@sehe I don't like you at all. (implied "what you're saying" but this sounds funnier that way)
 
@sehe s/mutating/f*cking up
 
Of course, reliable programs abstract over this and leave it to the OS to do persistence and other nastiness
 
PHP was designed with a specific usage in mind, so from a design point of view it's terrible but also very work-efficient for what it was meant to do.
 
Where is @Jefffrey?
 
Ell
but imho the requests on CM are as bad as the ones on SO
 
11:43 AM
@BartekBanachewicz We noticed this pattern. You don't like reality because it's not simple enough to build on.
 
@Veritas like adding dates to static HTML documents perhaps
 
Guess what. Reality is our building blocks
 
@sehe True.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Pre-approuved?
 
@Mr.kbok I got a personal invitation when the site was starting
 
11:44 AM
@Mr.kbok hehe gallicism
 
@sehe Maybe I am just bad at solving hard problems. I'd rather make them simple first and then solve them.
@Ell IOW you can find really nice ones, but majority are meh.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nah. It's good taste to reduce complexity to essential complexity. Not saying anything about that.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah
 
And yeah. Our minds might require it
 
Yeah but it's paid
 
11:46 AM
@sehe Are you a mentor or something?
 
Although I think all smart minds reduce complexity.
 
@sehe see, that's why I don't like languages that won't let me push the things I find hard to remember/understand under the blanket of abstraction
 
@sehe There's a lot more to it, though
 
@fredoverflow Right there I think I was. But otherwise, no. I have kids though :)
 
i.e. C requires conscious effort all the time
2
 
11:46 AM
What you said might hold for C or assembly, but there's a lot of concepts that are created by programmers, for programmers, to reduce complexity
 
@Mr.kbok That's more about the craft of programming than about the concept of having the computer sit up and do tricks
@Mr.kbok Gah. I think you missed the topic before.
 
Maybe :)
 
and it just makes it so hard to analyze code
when you say (bad example) have to backtrack from void fun(Object* o) to find out what the contract on nullability or (im)mutability of o is.
 
@sehe teach them php
 
No way
Why would I go through the pain of (re) learning that myself
@BartekBanachewicz You also forgot about the topic. This is hobby-horsing
We're all convinced that good programming sense is Good Programming Sense
 
11:51 AM
well, (when you are a beginner), you're bound to read code
I am a strong proponent of learning one thing at a time
learning both abstract algorithms and your language intricacies can be overwhelming
(that's why I also criticize "learning OpenGL and C++")
once you are familiar with the fundamentals of teaching the computer to do what you want it to do, you can spend time on "how do I tell it to him in a different way via a different language"
 
When I first began programming C++ I used to write pages and pages of code. I suppose it was all copy-pasta crap. Can't remember exactly. Now my time is 97% reading / analyzing and the rest actually writing code.
 
@BartekBanachewicz So what language would you suggest?
 
if I wanted 97% writing, 3% reading I would have chosen js
 
@fredoverflow I'd ask more before answering that question.
 
sbi
@Etienne: The reason this doesn't compile is that you're doing it wrong. The reason you're doing it wrong it's that you don't understand it. The rain you don't understand it is that you didn't take the time to learn it. Again: My code compiles fine as it is. If you use it right. Adding friend is unlikely to be what you want. — sbi 3 hours ago
Is it me? Am I really expecting to much or is he just lazy?
 
11:56 AM
What do you want to do? Do you want to just program casually, or do you see yourself as a professional developer? Would your rather code apps or Applications? Robots or data centers?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Let's say you have a class of pupils in school and everybody has to learn the same language first ;)
 
I spotted a bug in today's tdWTF what.thedailywtf.com/t/required/49304/8?u=sehetw
 
@sbi that is a whole lot of text to follow up a discussion. It might take some time
 
Xeo
> The rain you don't undestand
 
@sbi holy mother of comment threads
 
sbi
11:58 AM
@MarcoA. No. It's only half a dozen messages. The other ones are old. @AlexM.
 
@BartekBanachewicz "How do I make sure I don't trip over myself while telling the PC what to do"
 
@fredoverflow Assuming I'm supposed to teach, it'd probably be Haskell. I could see JS, F#, Lua, Python, perhaps others as potential candidates.
 
sbi
@Xeo Yeah, I typed (swiped) this on the phone this morning, and this one slipped through.
 
@sbi Did you mean "Raisin" instead of "rain"? o.O
 
sbi
@sehe raisin d'etre
 
11:59 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Haskell and Python are at completely different ends of the spectrum, aren't they?
 
@fredoverflow what spectrum
 
Pretty much any spectrum you may wanna pick :-)
 

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