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16:00
@BartekBanachewicz :D
@Jefffrey Nah, I actually avoided it.
I was planning to play Skyrim with Natalia as our next pair gaming game but we chose KOTOR instead
I just went around exploring.
Fallout: New Vegas, despite the horrible glitches, issues and flaws, still gets me wet, while Skyrim leaves me mostly unmoist.
I agree with Etienne. It's a "huge, good looking, empty worlds filled with boring characters and backed by an equally boring lore." I like that.
Well, the "huge, good looking, empty world" part.
@EtiennedeMartel just realized this is real world basically //cc @R.m
16:01
I think it's a matter of preference. Do you like exploring? You'll like Skyrim. Do you prefer talking to people? You'll like Fallout instead.
@R.MartinhoFernandes So the characters and lore aren't boring?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I liked exploration in Minecraft a lot
there was that article
about a guy in the mountains
I don't mind walking to places and wandering the wasteland, as long as it gets me to a place with people to meet and things to see. I didn't get that in Skyrim, or at least not to the degree of New Vegas.
@EtiennedeMartel I don't quite agree that you'll like Fallout if you prefer talking to people, but I see what you mean.
I played four hours of New Vegas and got bored of too much talking.
Also, the thing that got on my tits in Skyrim was how violence was only the option.
16:03
Plus, the dialog is crap, I think. (which is why I don't agree that you'll like it if you like talking to people; if you like talking to people, you'll probably hate it)
@EtiennedeMartel IMO Skyrim is an adventure game, not a RPG
@Mr.kbok It's quite action-oriented.
I like talking/hacking/stealing my way through problems. In most games with a non lethal run option, I pick it. In Skyrim, if you meet someone out in the wastes, 99% of the time it's going to be a fight.
Both genres can have different degrees of action
I remember that quest where the anti-dragon dudes telling me to kill that friendly dragon who's done nothing but good things for me.
Also most of the time killing is much easier than the alternative.
16:05
@EtiennedeMartel Unless you play a non-action-oriented character. I played a mostly mute straight thief throughout.
In Fallout you'd at least have an option to convince the guys to let him be.
In Skyrim your only option is to leave the quest unfinished. Which I did, but it's not satisfying.
also hiding behind rocks and abusing AI in skyrim
I feel like there's missing a choice there.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Try a mute gay thief next time for extra tolerance points
@EtiennedeMartel There are no wastes in Skyrim!
Hmm.
16:06
Anyone of you plays Clash of Clans?
so I should go home
I wonder if I'm better at orienting myself in Skyrim than Earth.
@Jefffrey is that a facebook game
I play hearthstone lately
@R.MartinhoFernandes In Skyrim you have a map and a friendly marker that tells you where to go.
it's addictive
16:08
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think so. It's a game for android/iphone. You can connect with both Google+ and Facebook though. IIRC.
@EtiennedeMartel I use it under the same circumstances I use my phone to navigate.
Otherwise I use road signs.
I'm hardcore with the non-fast-travel gimmick.
Anyway, I like to have at least the illusion of choice in a RPG, and Skyrim didn't scratch that itch. I dislike JRPGs in general for the same reason.
@EtiennedeMartel I grew bored of that. It's so often just an illusion of choice.
I'm looking forward to the next Deus Ex.
Have you played Mass Effect?
16:10
@EtiennedeMartel Timing!
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's always an illusion, by the way.
Reprogram the game for ultimate choice and freedom
Good game design is pushing you towards what the designers intended while giving you the impression you did it by choice.
I know.
It's why I grew bored of RPGs.
I know you know, just leaving that here for reference.
16:11
Skyrim was awesome, because I could enjoy it in a different manner.
@EtiennedeMartel not really, but it's easier that way.
I felt like a badass in New Vegas when I walked in Caesar's camp and shot the guy in the face, then fought my way out. Fuck diplomacy, I just wanted that guy dead. Later on I talked his second in command to death.
I don't think choice is that important in games.
@Jefffrey They're not terribly difficult (in themselves), but there are some things they can use (e.g., streams' xalloc interface) that are a little more complex, and used just rarely enough that even people who've written manipulators don't all understand them entirely.
I see
16:15
@EtiennedeMartel It's also why I shifted so much from computer RPGs to tabletop. I can also see how that had a huge influence in my GMing style. I am disappointed (with myself) if my sketchy plans for an adventure are still intact after an hour with the PCs.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pen-and-paper RPGs are not constrained by the relatively rigid set of rules of a software-based system.
A GM can override the rules of the game. To do that in a computer RPG, you need to mod it.
That's a lot of work.
However, PC RPGs can be played alone.
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, but that also gives you a lot of power to railroad the players.
It can be used both ways.
Rock dies, everyone falls.
@EtiennedeMartel ...and can reasonably include mechanics that are unreasonable to expect players to carry out in desktop games (e.g., can take many more factors into account in a fight, so outcomes depend more on character's attributes and less on rolling the dice).
That said, the more factors, the harder it is for the player to make an informed decision.
16:20
That's not really unreasonable. There are RPG systems with no dice-rolling at all.
Really, tabletop RPGs are better in most aspects, but you need a bunch of people to play them, and they require a skilled GM.
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Hello.
PC RPGs are just easier to use.
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Massively multiplayer table-top role playing game.
MMTTRPG? Epic.
16:22
GMing seems like so much pain and work and it's so easy to do it wrong.
(never did it, not my experience, it's just what I heard)
@EtiennedeMartel Not just skilled, but willing to put a lot of work into the job. From what I've seen, success is more often a result of putting more work into the job than of sheer skill.
I'm a total newb at tabletop RPGs, but the few times I did that, I always had a very good GM to easy me into it.
That made all the difference.
Errrr I hate my lecturer :(
@EtiennedeMartel Yup--and a mediocre (or poor) one can pretty much ruin it all.
@TheArtist You're the "learning ultra-basics of C"? Try asking stuff after the lecture, it helps a lot.
16:26
@EtiennedeMartel When I started, all six of us were total newbs :D It was awesome.
@milleniumbug yep ur correct :) now doing functions :) I know the theory that she teaches, now I dont know how to execute :P coz she doesn't demonstrate running it.
@milleniumbug I'm surprised, u actually remember me....
am I the only one who is just disgusted by things like
> The studio environment is energetic and creative and I’m part of a friendly, talented team who make coming to work every day a pleasure.
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in The Ink Spot on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 hours ago, by joojaa
@TechnikEmpire In general GD.SE is MUCH nicer than stackoverflow
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:O
16:28
I find first-time programming courses largely useless. Books and personal effort is the way to go in my opinion.
Got to retrieve some clothes.
I managed to dry everything yesterday.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Later.
@milleniumbug omg i figured it out :D by experimentating :D
@TheArtist That's the best way to learn in my experience.
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@sehe hoe doe jij dat met je kinderen? speld.nl/2015/06/02/…
16:30
Other is reading books
user1804599
What the fuck is wrong with these people.
user1804599
Go inside with your chainsaw or something.
So I try doing it both.
user1804599
Jesus Christ using your chainsaw outside at fucking 18:30.
@milleniumbug ya! i feel so great right now.....
16:31
@milleniumbug By themselves, books can't really teach much though--most of us need to apply the knowledge to really know it well enough to retain it and use it in the long term.
why do i feel like I'm a genius right now O.o
user1804599
You are a genius.
> It's arguably much cooler to see a bigger M anyway.
@rightfold thanks :)
@Pekka웃 that may be but, OTOH,it's another chance to downvote Bartek. — Martin James 59 mins ago
lol
16:35
@JerryCoffin I find books are better for finding knowledge (as in, finding what you can learn) and experimenting better for acquiring it (as in, you know what you should learn, now you're trying to remember it).
that's where the personal effort kicks in but I guess I wasn't very clear on that.
books for learning that some things exist and then practice to actually learn them.
@milleniumbug Sounds about right to me.
argh materials lab examination in two days and I don't know shit.
The "learning that some things exist" step is too often overlooked, but it's essential, and more important than the other.
When you don't know that something exists, you can't just "google it".
@milleniumbug Yup--Google makes a good reference but a poor teacher.
Couldn't put it in better words
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@TheArtist I was just kidding.
it's just too hard to not be racist
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@BartekBanachewicz lol wat
why does it have to be india again
16:42
> the "m" in "1.5m" doesn't mean the SI unit "mega". It is an abbreviation for "million". If that number got to billions, we'd see "1.5b", not "1.5g"
user1804599
I wrote an amazing tool today.
@BartekBanachewicz Hey, I posted that before
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@BartekBanachewicz lol that's awesome.
@BartekBanachewicz Hitler is always welcome on (star)board
:D
@TechnikEmpire how is it awesome? It's fucking sad
16:43
May 28 at 15:24, by Mr. kbok
user image
@Mr.kbok well ok
different pic tho
why ? just why
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@BartekBanachewicz This type of speak is not meant literally. It's sarcasm.
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I really liked the hat lol
May 28 at 15:22, by R. Martinho Fernandes
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3097640/The-Luft-wafer-Ice-cream-cone-na‌​med-Adolf-Hitler-sale-India-sparks-anger-Germany.html
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@BartekBanachewicz In this context it's more like "the level of stupidity is awesome"
16:45
> awe is modeled as a combination of surprise and fear.
> tart_date = fixing_date;
lol nom nom tart date
It's not stupidity.
It's ignorance
Shit. No one's home. I need my clothes!
16:52
I am sure.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I will take a guess. Is your situation comparable when you are taking shit and you realize there is no paper and nobody at home?
errr now my next program is not displaying anything while running :/
It'd be more like you threw the toilet paper out the window before going into the bathroom.
that sounds more interesting
16:56
there are no errors, and there are printf texts....not even the text is being displayed
Well, I'll retrieve my bicycle and come back later for the clothes. Maybe someone will be home by then.
This gives a different meaning to the previous post
it's like narrating
There is shit
and noone is at home
I'm just terribly disorganized
When i run gcc filename.c , it just enters to a blank line and i can keep hitting enter, and nothing is written. nor an error appears, but if i type some number it says "-bash: 4: command not found" ......anyone know whats wrong ? a hint?
17:02
Restart terminal?
Reboot?
Restart everything.
If nothing happens, that means compilation was successful.
Now you just need to run your program
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can't be that simple..
Can it?
OMGGGGGGGGG
17:04
@MartinJames I inferred, that gcc is taking forever and the situation is happenning.
i think its becaus I'm having less sleep which means short term memory loss or something like that, i was being stupid.........
@rightfold you were right, now i feel non-genius about myself (if something like that exists)
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genious
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep
17:09
@R.MartinhoFernandes WTF 'a blank line' is not 'a command prompt'!
maybe he export PS1=
Tonight I'm going to give a jabbascript course to my beloved girlfriend
2
We'll see how it goes :D
Xeo
Xeo
@Mr.kbok You gonna cosplay as Jabba the Hutt and show her how to script?
3
@Mr.kbok inb4 'OK, I'm on the beach'
later everyone
This is awesome, a shame you can't filter the specific rooms
@jalf
lol I imagined this thing like
constantly generating sandwiches while idle
2
23:34 minutes until next sandwich
78% of sandwich done
Sandwich: Passive Skill - You generate 0.1% of a sandwich every minute.
OMGROTFLWTFLOL
random question : whats the longest period that u have stayed up without any sleep?
17:26
@milleniumbug I know I'm funny but I need to eat too
you can buy me dinner as thanks
@TheArtist Maybe 24 hours
@Jefffrey hmmmm (Y) :)
@AlexM. I can't buy you dinner, but I can send you a pizza over chat.
Are those boobs?
no, it's rightfold's vagina
3
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17:28
(Y) is legs.
@TheArtist I did stay up for at least 25 hours for last year's Extra Life marathon.
@TheArtist Around 40 hours (yes, that may explain some of the dain bramage).
So probably that.
@JerryCoffin thats amazing!
@EtiennedeMartel ahann
17:34
@TheArtist More agonizing than amazing.
Seriously, staying up for long periods of time is hard.
@JerryCoffin no thats almost 2 days, its unbelievable. What made u stay up so long (curiosity)?
If I were to not sleep for two days, I would probably see some hallucinations later or something
DO NOT mess with your sleep
lol in one motivational vedio, that guys says sometimes in order to be successful you have to stay up 3 days in a row. Has anyone heard this or thinks this is nonsense?
@milleniumbug haha agree
17:38
yep he actually motivates those kids to stay up three days in a row lol
Every time when I mess with my sleep "I need to do this today, or else...", I regret this decision next day.
@TheArtist Work--had to finish papers for a large (well over a billion dollars) court case, no possibility of getting the deadline extended, and only a couple of people authorized to work on it.
@TheArtist Sounds pretty insane to me.
@JerryCoffin Read as long scale. Was extremely confused.
@JerryCoffin that sounds very ...... but now thats what u call a unique reason to stay up
anyone interested in watching that vedio ?
Yay, got my clothes and my laptop.
Forgot the AC adapter, it seems.
17:48
If you're man enough, shout at your laptop to charge it.
prepare your wallets
Yeah, Summer Sale starts on June 12 I think.
My body is not ready
What?
Summer Sale during the Unconference?
Hnm. On the last sale I only bought gifts.
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@AlexM. prepare your anus
17:51
@AlexM. what does mysterious card 8 give u ? I googled it and ended up in stack exchange , it says " its mysterious and no one knows"
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Alright.
user1804599
What software to make?
The Unconference is on the day of Jurassic World's release!
What a useless piece of trivia.
@rightfold Something like ncurses that does not suck and is not built on top of ncurses. Something that parses terminfo and runs with it.
user1804599
lol, no
17:55
@wilx And compatible with Windows
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@EtiennedeMartel It's also on the day of the death of a thousand women.
@nabijaczleweli Well, maybe. My point is, something that is not as retarded as curses.
user1804599
A lot of women die that day.
user1804599
Just like every day.
17:56
@wilx Even more painful. Curses are hella C. Object-oriented maybe?
@rightfold High-level language compiled to BANCStar
user1804599
What is BANCStar?
user1804599
No.
@Jefffrey lol
17:59
so them I saw that Sepp Blatter quit
seems a bit odd to incredibly arrogantly demand (and get) your re-election for basically nothing, and then quit five days later
user1804599
Who cares.
user1804599
The next one FIFA leader will be paid by Blatter.
They should have the two terms and you are done policy like normal states.
@rightfold The amazing thing would be a day on which only 1000 women died. Based on the current population of the earth (~7.125 billion) and average life expectancy (~71 years) and percentage of population (~50), women die at a rate of about 137,375 per day (on average).
@wilx That's not a normal-state thing.
that's a kneejerk-reaction thing
18:01
@Puppy State as in national state. Like the USA.
the USA is not a normal state.
and I know what you meant and my comment still stands
@Puppy facepalm
ThePhD removed his account. What happened?
Xeo
Xeo
gawd, again?
Finally got a real life?
18:07
he got his PhD
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XD
hey sorry im late i didnt want to come
this excuse might be useful some day
yeah baby i am an animal in bed. more specifically a koala. i can sleep for 22 hours a day
/cc @Nooble
This guy is my hero
> TIL every Google Maps street view of a KFC blurs the face of Colonel Sanders due to Google's security policy that every human's face gets blurred.
TIL Colonel Sanders is a human
@fredoverflow Yup, downvoted now
oh, you know your cooking on full power when a tiny splash of oil burns of the hobs in a whoof of flame :D
So many badlets there
@thecoshman The most fun part is pouring all the oil and frying it for like 10 minutes; when you put anything there, the oil goes apeshit.
> Yes, you can, and yes it is still simply a pointer. The type information given to the compiler will infer how much space to allocate on the stack to make room after that pointer.
oh god, why
@thecoshman noob
18:18
@khajvah vOv not really.
I like cooking more than my current web dev job
I should quit
@milleniumbug Me too. Also, I provided an explanation.
@khajvah me too, well I don't have a web dev job, but I like cooking way more than what I do :\
Well fuck, I think I just wasted money on that steak, these sweet potato fries are so frigging tasty
@Borgleader: "structs" are classes too. — Lightness Races in Orbit 11 mins ago
i fucking dont even
Hey guys, I have pretty much no experience with C, C++, C#, however I'd really like to use NIST's statistical suite for random number testing (csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/toolkit/rng/documentation_software.html). I tried compiling it with the built in Windows C Terminal (like I said, no experience).
It seemed to work but some files won't compile because they don't have some dependencies. I'm not sure whether those are libraries, missing files, or what not. Does anyone who has a setup C environment mind trying to compile this?
18:25
how was i supposed to phrase this so LRiO would just shut the f*** up?!?
@fredoverflow You might want to link to the chist.pdf to which you refer.
@Borgleader "The class types declared with keyword class", but that kind of writing makes everyone go away
@Borgleader Just ignore him. Nothing you can do will help anyway.
Well, that explains why he's in another room
If he's away from everyone, everyone's away from him.
Why is LRiO so bad? Actually curious.
18:29
He's not bad, he's just extremely pedantic.
Ah, thanks
Also there was an episode where he decided to stay off this room
Pls friends, sorry for bothering, just try compiling it?
@milleniumbug Pointlessly pedantic about subjects that don't warrant it. Sometimes you really need precise terminology to prevent confusion--but it's pretty rare.
@JerryCoffin Hmm yeah, I should learn to not give a shit.
18:32
@JerryCoffin Damn, I can't find the document under that file name. I changed from the file name to the title of the paper :)
Also, I provided a second answer.
@fredoverflow Unfortunately, some moron at AT&T (or possibly Alcatel-Lucent) apparently decided it wasn't worth keeping dmr's pages on the web now that he's gone.
@Howcan It seems to assume Unix environment, if you can download MSYS2 or something like this, compiling this would be a piece of cake.
@JerryCoffin Maybe he thought "dmr probably means delete my resources"?
oh i hate C right now >.<
@Howcan You need Make and gcc
18:41
@milleniumbug Thanks, will try some stuff right now!
@TheArtist Why?
cue thephd
hey
What does this error mean :
arrayadd.c:24:25: warning: incompatible integer to pointer conversion passing
'int' to parameter of type 'int *'; take the address with &
[-Wint-conversion]
printf("%d\n",arrayadd(A[5], B[5], R[5]));
it means ask your professor to stop being such a tremendous moron.
Have you tried googling the warning message?
`std::cout << arrayadd(A[5], B[5], R[5]);`
however, i have a weird feeling "arrayadd" takes "A", "B", and "R" instead
Just copy the content into the google, and there should be an SO question that ask this
30 seems very low
> Walter and Andrei were asked if a macro system was coming to D. They both answered flatly: no.
aww...
> DConf 2016 has already been announced: it will be held in Berlin, Germany
interesting
@fredoverflow Why would it? The mixin system works quite well there and replaces most of the uses of macros.
@milleniumbug Is that where you put custom strings into the lexer pipeline?
18:46
@milleniumbug I tried it a lot :/ nothing or almost useless results :/
99.99% of macro uses in C++ can be replaced with other D facilities.
@milleniumbug Then clearly C++ macro system > other D facilities
@Blob Except not really.
You can replace 99.99% of goto uses with loops and ifs
@TheArtist If you want to pass an array A of size 5, you just write A, not A[5].
doesn't matter, goto still sucks
18:47
@milleniumbug #define JMP goto
@Blob Hey, I did that too
"I'm not using a goto, see?"
@fredoverflow The mixin(compile_time_string) feature
Where compile_time_string can be created with an equivalent of constexpr functions (as in, any function ever)
@fredoverflow I'm guess it was some sort of manager or executive--which generally means "thought' wasn't part of the process at all.
@fredoverflow oh I did that now :) no error, but it gives only one number as an answer......but A is a array.
And
@TheArtist You're printing an integer ("%d")
@fredoverflow Mysogyny! Paging j*lf.
18:54
Why? Could be there were 30 men and n women...
or maybe there were no women at all
What about the toilet lady?
@fredoverflow You know I am just joking, right?
@fredoverflow There were undoubtedly n women (but perhaps n = 0).
@wilx Everyone here is always joking, unless explicitly stated otherwise.

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