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23:00
you would think of it too if you were putting only 5% of your brain in
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@Cicada put coreboot on it
That oughta do something
lol
It'll solve the booting problem yes
@Cicada dell enterprise support is supposed to be great
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I thought coreboot was an open source BIOS
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@Puppy I wouldn't even put 0.5% of my brain into it. Yuck! What an icky thought!
23:01
@CatPlusPlus Is the problem where the machine succeeds in booting up
@Puppy Yes
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Coreboot is firmware vOv
I'm aware thanks
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@CatPlusPlus coreboot is open source firmware
lol
23:02
I'm afirmware thanks
What I'm saying is that replacing BIOS is absolutely non-trivial
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The cat has become aware. That explains a lot.
Work project is killing me so I won't be for long
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@CatPlusPlus you could say it provides the glue between the hardware and the software if that helps you imagine its role
can't be that hard, just learn assembly
23:03
That's what she said
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@CatPlusPlus You ought to have eight more lives to spend on that project, though. Isn't that why they were hiring you?
I'm losing one every week
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How long has this been going?
Less than two months, I suppose?
6 months
anyone knows php here?
23:05
No
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Ha. The cat cannot do simple math.
@IPAddress No, but we do know the door. Shall we show it to you?
PhP? You mean PhD
yeah we know him
> Maybe the last time you heard the words “C” and “stack/heap allocation” was 10 years ago in CompSci 101 (or maybe never)
I swear these webdevs only use computers accidentally
I accidentally everything
i'll have you know, jquery is a very versatile and powerful language
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23:06
> A young enthusiastic developer who can think outside the <div> box!
Oh. my.
> Rust is great for rewriting performance-sensitive parts of your application. It interfaces well with other languages via FFI and has a tiny runtime that competes with C and C++ in most cases
That's easy just add floats randomly
Still 0 fucking benchmarks to back those claims
whats wrong with that
i went to strip club today
it was disgusting
23:07
My last message applies both to <div> and Rust thing lol
@khajvah Go to a better one next time
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@IPAddress This.
not that it is considered a bad one
Prediction: Rust will never catch on.
the idea is just disgusting
yeah the idea is disgusting but the boobs...
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23:09
@Cicada Because it's too rusty? (Oh c'mon. Someone had to do it...)
@sbi unforgivably bad pun
punforgivably bad
> Rust is already great — it’s people like you who are going to make it ever more awesome!
No thanks I'd rather die
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@Prismatic Yeah, but one that comes with an apology!
@sbi Because its community is the wrong one
23:10
Is rust going to be used as mozilla's next web browser core for shizzle dizzle
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@AndyProwl A punforgivably bad un?
or is it an experimental thing even at mozilla
They always say they target seeplasplas developers but most of the community are webdevs
@AndyProwl man, maybe it is just me but I don't ike sluts who run for dollars
Why do we call webdevs developers actually
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23:11
What should we call them?
They're barely humanoids
development != programming
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Websters
@MooingDuck how's life besides that. The... wife IIRC? Or was she still fiance material. Shit. I don't remember anything really. :(
anyways I wasn't "impressed"
23:11
are game developers progammers?
I think I remember you seriously got married back when
@Prismatic depends
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@Prismatic if they programme
3 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
@khajvah Go to a better one next time
Marrying Duck
23:11
:P
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@sehe Didn't he post marriage pix here?
meh :D
@sehe I rarely mentioned her in chat, so good memory. We've been married three years now, two cats, things is good
actually what do you consider to be programming anyway
@MooingDuck Good to hear.
23:12
@sbi I did indeed
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@MooingDuck gosh no way has it been 3 years
That's crazy
it flies
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Time flies
:D
@Ell two and a half years. I rounded
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23:12
@MooingDuck In three years you managed to produce two cats? How in the world... I don't even!
We're still trying to replicate ours
@MooingDuck dang been that long
@sbi they're darned expensive, let me tell ya.
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@Cicada I didn't know you had a girl!
Last time I looked, I was surprised you weren't one!
People change!
23:14
He's not one?
Cicadas change quite often
Oh you mean he's many
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@MooingDuck That might well be... But the question is: How in the world did you produce them? All I ever was able to produce were humans. (And I tried a lot!)
@Cicada And it needed a change for you to get a girl?
@sbi Better luck next time
23:15
@sbi well, she found a guy who knew a guy...
@sbi ...who sells cats
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Haha
very expensive cats
Well. ISTR she found a guy who sold stars before that :)
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@Cicada Nononononono! I won't fall for that (again).
@sehe Wow, even I'd forgotten about that. Yeah, she bought me a star :D
23:16
@sbi For women or for marriage?
@MooingDuck For the starboard.
@MooingDuck I keep bringing it up when I see you. I'm surprised you're able to forget
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THERE'S A STAR OUT THERE THAT'S CALLED MOOING DUCK?
@sbi Nah. It got named something else. Lemme think
@sbi I named it after my lovely wife of course. Not myself obvisouly.
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23:17
@wilx Trying to produce cats and ending up with kids.
It's in the Palmipedus constellation
Jul 17 '13 at 22:56, by Mooing Duck
@sehe Yeah, named after my now-wife
And I don't think (?) that was disclosed
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@MooingDuck That's an incredibly deep view into the mechanics of your relationship...
@sehe I think he introduced her as Mrs Mooing Duck here.
Guys who's Duck?
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@Nooble Have you tried to ask @MooingDuck?
23:19
@Nooble He's a duck typing
Guy-ducks who?
@sbi :D
He's been around a little longer than you
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@Nooble you're too much of a noob to know
Everyone here has been around longer than me.
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23:20
@Ell He's a noble noob, though.
@Nooble Except for that PHP guy. +#
Not this shit again
ikr
Although I haven't ever seen MooingDuck.
I just finished it
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23:21
Anyway. There's TZs in this world where it's past one. I need to go to bed.
He must be a nice duck.
@Nooble 1212819 messages in this room isn't exactly nothing
@sbi Tell me about it
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@Cicada Yawn!
How do I view the presentation
the clicks, they do nothing
23:22
press space haha
took me a while to figure it out
@MooingDuck :P
thats pretty dumb
what would you do on a mobile
@sbi gn
@Prismatic yeah pretty bad UI from a web dev..
@sbi g'night.
@sbi Time to go to bread
23:24
I met a front end web developer today
RIP
who claimed that their company earns LOTS of money
@Ell Nooble > Noob
ES6 has binary and octal literals
"We make 25 euros per day selling jabbascript and marquees"
23:25
I wish C++ had those
although I didn't believe him, I do believe that jabbascript guys earn as much as c++ guys
it is sad
I don't think so
hey people, how much space is allocated on the stack and heap for the variable char *s = "in a galaxy far, far away ", in C?
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None
none in heap
23:27
C has no concept of stack and heap those are implementation details
@Zaghie Are you aware that there are more memory spaces than just those two? Also it depends on where the variable is.
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Sting literal isnt in either stack or heap
@Zaghie thats a string wot
@Cicada Just because the C spec calls it by another name doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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23:27
Though one pointer I guess
even if it's a local variable?
@MooingDuck LET ME PEDANTIC IN PEACE
Ugh, Robot and his Clang-hostile ways of invoking EnableIf :F
@Ell One pointer yes, but where?
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@MooingDuck of automatic storage :P
23:28
@Zaghie only the pointer is local. The literal isn't local.
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I forgot what they call the not-the-freestore
@Ell Cheater
@MooingDuck it's the local variable of a function
It goes in the cdata secttion of the exe
So no memory in the stack or heap?
23:29
No
It has static storage
@Griwes Sorry for pinging but, is studying the linux kernel a good place to start os development?
@Zaghie one pointer on the stack, and it points to the string literal in static storage
and how much space does it take?
Also lol line_test_data.g.c++ in Ogonek is compiling for 5 minutes already with Clang.
@khajvah Hell no, it's like the worst one.
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OpenBSD is better innit?
Or MINIX 2 or something
23:30
Minix is good apparently
@Zaghie one pointer's worth on the stack, and the string literal amount in static storage
@Griwes I was trying to read the scheduler code today but it is too complicated
@Zaghie probably a byte for each character..
@Zaghie Depends on where you define this. If it's a global, then it'll all (probably) be in constant storage. If it's a local, then the string itself will be in constant storage, and you'll have one pointer to that allocated locally (unless you only use it in ways that the compiler can optimize it out).
23:31
@khajvah Well... Linux is a complex, pretty much complete OS, written in a terrible way.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes count the stars in the sky
@R.MartinhoFernandes Go fix your EnableIfs to work with Clang!
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Rapptz Syndrome has infected you.
@Zaghie which "it"? You have two objects there.
Or go make Clang people fix the bug with SFINAE in empty template argument packs.
23:31
@Rapptz heh that's what I was thinking
Time to work on lucpm
lucpm is great
@Griwes so osdev.org wiki is better place to start I guess?
@R.MartinhoFernandes learn javascript
@khajvah yes. infinitely better
23:32
@khajvah Lion's book, sheet 19.
@MooingDuck I meant to ask how much space is allocate in the stack and heap for the local variable char *s
alright thanks.
line_test_data.g.c++ is compiling for 7.5 minutes now.
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But an OS is more important than the kernel
Uh
I can't talk
@Ell wat
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23:33
An OS is more than just a kernel
@Griwes fuck clang.
@Zaghie (Typically) one pointer on the stack, nothing on the heap.
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That is what I meant to say :p
> but support for both GCC 4.7.2 and Clang 3.2 is planned
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also no, fuck gcc.
23:34
@JerryCoffin how many bytes is that?
@Zaghie one pointer's worth on the stack. Pointers are different sizes on different platforms. None on the heap. The string is stored in static storage, a number of bytes usually equal to the number of characters plus one, but it might take more depending on encoding and other factors.
Fo working nicely?
> 2015
> gcc 4.7
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol "gcc" and "nicely" in the same context
Griwes is a clang fanboy
23:34
Fuck your fanboyism.
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GCC is good
thanks alot everyone!
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Clang is good
fuck your lack of support for sane compilers
23:35
@Zaghie Depends on your compiler. Typically 4 bytes on a 32-bit compiler, 8 bytes on a 64-bit compiler.
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Msvc is bareable probably. Idk I never used it :P
@Zaghie Np, consider marking the answer as acepted by clicking the little flag on the right of the message that helped you
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@Cicada lol
Somebody star
@R.MartinhoFernandes But seriously, it's a single goddamned fix. But blergh. I guess you will also reject pull requests that actually make that change the silly way of invoking EnableIf to actually work on one of the primary compilers on *nixes?
@Cicada lmao, I'n not that much of a n00b...
*I'm
23:37
I'm not gonna get bullied into that clang cult. It's that simple.
cultlang
@R.MartinhoFernandes lolwat
Your library is close to useless if it doesn't compile with both GCC and Clang.
lol no
Its close to useless if it doesn't compile with MSVC and either GCC or clang
23:38
Wanna fix it, go ahead. I'm busy.
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@Griwes just write your own patches I guess vOv
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, and I have every right to be angry at you for that.
@JerryCoffin Tony the lion?
Well, fuck you.
btw
23:38
Wait what
@R.MartinhoFernandes Very mature approach.
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Also I thought GCC and clang are both 14 complete?
@Griwes Because yours is
idk what's going on
@Ell Yes, just clang has a retarded bug.
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23:39
How is it that something doesn't compile on one of them if they both implement c++14?
@Rapptz vOv let's talk about Rust instead
Because marketing.
@Cicada Being angry at a library maintainer for not supporting a major compiler is immature? Well okay, I don't want to live in your world.
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@Griwes surely fixing clang is preferable to "fixing" ogonek :P
does Rust compile with Clang?
23:39
@Griwes That's great neither do I. Pull requests welcome as Luc would say.
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Or w/e library it is
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@Griwes You could always do it yourself
@Ell "Fixing" ogonek is infinitely easier than fixing Clang.
I'll get it done at some point.
@Rapptz Try and find out!
23:40
My library is incomplete.
Being angry at me for that is silly.
He doesn't want to live in your world
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I agree
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's not what I am angry about.
And that entitlement annoys the fuck out of me.
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Speaking of entitlement
23:41
you re-enabled gh issue tracker?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Jesus Christ. I just fucking mentioned it, and you started with that retarded "you are a clang fanboy" bullshit.
If you complained about nonius, I'd give you that
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Let's complain about apple
I ask a guy on a flatsharing website: "Which tower and floor? Is this the small or big room? When does the lease end?" and he replies helpfully with: "The studio is size of a hotel room." (discarding the other questions).
@Zaghie Of course you're not, that would be me.
23:42
Now where can I find the ISO standard for hotel room sizes
@Cicada its not very big
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The trick is to ask questions one at a time
That way none can be ignored
@Cicada ISO/IEC 19283:2009
"When does the lease end?" "After some time"
This guy must be a troll
all of your questions will be answered in time..
23:44
@Griwes I give the same treatment to people that ask me to support MSVC. I'm not dealing with that kind of stuff now, and that's it.
meanwhile pls pay security deposit
@khajvah No. Lion's Book. Full source code to UNIX sixth edition, with full commentary by John Lions.
@Ell so young and naive...
And if clang gets fixed I'll probably just move the goalposts.
@JerryCoffin jesus that's almost 40 yrs old
23:46
Once I get to 1.0, you can expect me to be serious about support and stuff. Until then I reserve the right to not support shit.
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@MooingDuck true :D
@nick Yup. Outdated version of UNIX written in an outdated dialect of C. Still the best available for the job at hand though.
There's also a reason why I don't recommend ogonek at all and why I recommend people to not recommend it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fine. That's what your reaction should've been, not a "stop being a fucking clang fanboy".
@nick Send the security deposit to me (along with one virgin) and I'll get it all taken care of for you.
23:49
@JerryCoffin ok i'll come to your house with some money
LOL
@nick Consult the transcript for my definition of "virgin".
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It means young
So it's implementation defined whether while(true) {} does loop infinitely or not?
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Why would it be?
23:52
Aug 13 '14 at 23:58, by Jerry Coffin
@Borgleader I've pointed this out before, but my definition of "virgin" isn't so much about virginity as it is about young, hot and (most importantly) female.
@Ell LRiO says so
Aug 18 '13 at 18:01, by Jerry Coffin
@Jeffrey Also needs to be virgin, which implies "living" (and remember: I get to judge what qualifies as "really hot").
There's a boat chilling in front of my building for whatever reason
well i'm both so
@Jefffrey yes, basically.
23:53
@sbi I guess
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@Cicada where the hell
@Cicada what is that thing on the front of it, a railgun?
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@JerryCoffin hey I knew it!
Fwiw, I dislike the "stop whining and send a PR" attitude in OSS. When I say above "wanna fix it, go ahead", it just means that I'll accept a PR, not WONTFIX. I just don't prioritise that to work on it myself right now.
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Now I wonder how I can mail a virgin while still keeping it alive. I guess liquidizing is out of the question
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23:54
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just don't post anything on suggestionhub problem solved
@nick It's a landfiller boat. They carry sand and gravel (not Mark Gravell) and they fill the water to build reclaimed land.
The nose is what carries the stand outside the boat
There are hundreds of those
10 years ago the place where I'm standing was water
do you feel like jesus?
@Ell "Liquified" and "living" tend to be mutually exclusive.
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I feel like Keith
I wonder if there is a difference begween liquifying and liquidizing
i dont think liquidizing is a word but i could be wrong..
23:58
liquifying isn't a word either
it's "liquefying"
eh ok it is, just the british way of saying liquefy
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Liqueefying
crazy brits getting english all messed up
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U wot m8
In case you care, the official wording (from §1.10/27) is:

The implementation may assume that any thread will eventually do one of the following:
(27.1) — terminate,
(27.2) — make a call to a library I/O function,
(27.3) — access or modify a volatile object, or
(27.4) — perform a synchronization operation or an atomic operation.
[ Note: This is intended to allow compiler transformations such as removal of empty loops, even when
termination cannot be proven. —end note ]
23:59
Don't let lori see that.
/cc @lori
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Lori
That's cool

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