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13:00
this issue title reads silly: github.com/mill-lang/mill/issues/68
why is cicada talking to cicada
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@sehe :D
> Especially compared to its sequel, that bloated mess C++
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13:02
It's not possible to automatically fix indentation of code written in languages with inferior block delimiters such as indentation. — rightfold 11 secs ago
oooh, new book by Randall (xkcd you pleb!) Thing Explainer
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Kendall > Randall
> Meanwhile there is a ghost trying to remember what day his dentist appointment was imgur
just wow
@thecoshman repost
reap awst
Ven
Ven
13:08
@sehe did you see the cute kittens "fighting" on your imgur trip?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think we can agree it deserves it, though doesn't need it
@Ven nope. I believe they're there every day though
> c is the greatest programming language ever. everything else is a script language created by a c programmer. if you complain about "c" you suck.
@Cicada It's your photo
13:08
@Aniket Which one?
profile
Well yes, why would I put a picture of someone else lol
silly
it's not that Cicada is troll
@Ven FAKE!!!11
Nice
Ven
Ven
\:3/ or something
13:10
cicada is, LRiO is not?
omg, so ironic
@chmod711telkitty s/n/h/
@rightfold lol the amount of FUD is uncountable
<-- look @ this, it's my profile picture, it must be me!i!
now you can kill people in lori's homeland
13:11
It's like the 2000's all over again
@Cicada you are looking pretty
blushes
lol, if I didn't I would have thought cicada is LRiO
@AlexM. Pakistan?
@Cicada blushes means
13:12
are you saying she's hotter than me, you sexist
@Cicada no @LightnessRacesinOrbit is from London
@Mr.kbok Hotness is proportional to rape rep
@AlexM. Yeah he lives there, but he's originally from central asia (not suure if Pakistan actually)
> he
@Cicada I'm jealous because with all your rep you can read all the shitty drama questions that's been deleted
13:15
@Mr.kbok I didn't like to compare @Cicada with other
@Mr.kbok That's the only reason I ever bothered to reach 10k
oh god, we have some crap SO clone for some internal tool. It's terrible, just truly terrible
> It's no fun to feel envy or jealousy because both make you feel inadequate. Envy is when you want what someone else has, but jealousy is when you're worried someone's trying to take what you have. If you want your neighbor's new convertible, you feel envy. If she takes your husband for a ride, you feel jealousy.
no, you're envious
@Cicada Why 20k then?
Accident
13:16
@Mr.kbok rep whore
@thecoshman this?
@khajvah that doesn't look internal
@khajvah could be
@thecoshman He had this too, and people from the 90's answering C++ questions. It was the mordor of questions.
oh, he means their company wrote it?
13:18
@Mr.kbok but you also look unique one
@AlexM. Thanks, I guess ;)
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wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh‌​hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@khajvah no you idiot. We have an internal website running something like that
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I wish I were cool.
but I don't think it's that one, as that is paid for
13:19
as cool as thecoshman?
thecoolman
ok bye to all
Anyway guys
I'll soon have my pretty face on a uni staff page
I want to do GPU again instead of market access stuff :(
@Mr.kbok Really? Are you gonna teach? Where? That's super cool!
@thecoshman askbot is open source, I think the prices are for hosting and stuff
13:22
market access sucks and is unintersesting
I feel you bro
Yeah it's pure gruntwork
@Cicada Dauphine. Not confirmed yet thou
@Mr.kbok Wow!
Congrats :)
Thanks :)
It's a noob course though
@khajvah oh
13:23
What will you teach?
@Cicada sounds right up your ally
We're all counting on you to teach modern C++ rite
@thecoshman Shut up peasant!
inb4 first lesson "Arrays are pointers"
@Cicada I could teach you, but I have to charge
13:24
C with classes and strings. That's what they taught us at uni
I want to teach modern C++ but I also should prepare them for working on shitty 90's apps they have in banks
is your college preparing programmers who work at banks exclusively
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COBOL
@Mr.kbok no you shouldn't
if we keep teaching outdated methodology the banks will never run out of programmers to maintain their outdated shit, and will never switch
on the bright side
Mr kbok already sounds like a professor
way to go!
user1804599
13:28
@Mr.kbok I wouldn't trust my 90's bank running application to somebody from a school.
@AlexM. what's wrong with that?
@Mr.kbok AFAIK, you teach what you have to teach
@khajvah because they're not
@khajvah that arrays are NOT pointers
arrays can decay to a pointer to the first element
pff, don't burn me, I know
I was kidding
13:28
@orlp The goal of the master's degree is to prepare you for work, not to pressure the industry into choosing our favourite techs
@Mr.kbok what level of education do you teach?
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Tooth decay is bad.
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We can conclude that array decay is bad.
@Mr.kbok so why banks
13:29
lol
why teach for that specific business
because teeth and arrays have so much in common
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west bank
gaza strip
@AlexM. Monsieur quaboque
@orlp Master's degree.
13:30
@Mr.kbok yes, but on an academic university?
because in that case the goal is not to 'prepare for work'
that's the entire point of it being an academic course
I'd definitely focus on C++ for gamedev
teach that
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can't prepare for work on a school
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because it's a school and not work
What yeah it's not cheeseburger university
does anyone of you have skills in 4930609855567 ?
that must be a pretty darn neat technology
13:31
I come in, and I see 18 flags, and it turns out it's for a lousy question.
Pffft.
work is boring, let the students have some fun before getting a job.
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you can only prepare for work by working
@MarcoA. it's obviously a puzzle
@Mr.kbok then the goal of the masters is to teach science, not business
it's a master of science, isn't it?
13:32
Oh hey, Clion 1.0 is out.
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Still not Vim.
you have to say "it seems the job posting application has some glitches, like this tag..."
then they go "HOLY SHIT YOU'RE THE BEST QA HERE'S THE MONEY"
@EtiennedeMartel did you test the preview versions?
@EtiennedeMartel it's been out for quite a while now :P
@Darklighter No. The only EAP stuff I used from JetBrains was R# C++, and that didn't work very well.
13:34
I'm confused. What are you on about with academic university? How is C++ business?
still has a few bugs, like compilers breaking randomly, and throwing 'no permission to access executable' randomly
@Mr.kbok the point is that it's unethical to choose your curriculum based on business decisions (whatever fits the job market)
@EtiennedeMartel i tried it on our 20k LOC project and it was just pretty slow. I also had a hard time getting used to the workflow of their IDEs. But i didn’t test it intensively.
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@tristan you too :3 — rightfold 10 secs ago
@Mr.kbok you should teach whatever benefits your students understanding of science and knowledge in your field the most - deviating from that for a business perspective is unethical
user1804599
13:36
tristan van der vlis
holy fuck S.H.I.E.L.D. was amazing this week
nederlanders unite
No, I will teach what I'm asked to teach, that's all
@Mr.kbok TEACH THE WORD OF JESUS
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@Mr.kbok you're the professor, you set the curriculum
13:38
WWJT
uh, no
@Mr.kbok and that is the reason why universities suck so much
well, one of the reasons
Well, they would suck even more if professors would insist on "not teaching something useful in the industry"
you cannot match education with hands on experience m8
just teach theory and that's that
@Mr.kbok Is it CS course?
Come on guys do you really want to attend ocaml university
13:41
jQuery University
since when have universities become a training center for jobs?
jQueery
@Mr.kbok no, I'd eliminate universities altogether
but that's just me :A
I would much rather attend a university where they will teach me real computer science, instead of 'java so you can get a job'
@orlp last centurry or so
13:42
they're for science, not to train people
Since the country pays for them?
@Cicada maybe in the US
I don't know what the US is
@Mr.kbok what's that to do with anything
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we're all living in america
13:42
@rightfold south america
uppercase us
suramerica
ajajajajajaja
Go on, study CS for five years, and let me teach something useful to people
@Mr.kbok There is software engineering for that, not CS
"Open your bibles on chapter 4, non-static data member initializers"
13:44
I'm still amazed at how fast WW1 escalated and all because Austria decided to take Serbia
So C++ standard is a bible now
can't people just stay put and work for a living
Most people don't declare wars
@milleniumbug not 'a', it is 'the' bible
@Darklighter Here, we're probably not going to move away from Visual Studio any time soon, so R# C++ is more interesting for our use case.
user1804599
13:47
> we're
> editor
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lol
It's probably easier to make Visual Studio to make use of Clang, gcc, gdb and lldb than to make an IDE that's slightly better.
@milleniumbug so declarative war vs. imperative war!
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@milleniumbug I would argue with you on that one.
Hitler vs spaces
13:48
Tabs vs Hitler
Tabs vs Hitlees
Stalin used tabs.
Tabs is Hitler
Hit(ler) of the season
@Cicada missed opportunity
13:48
The Free World used spaces.
@sehe I'd pick a Hitler over tabs anyday
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Spacelin versus Putab
@Cicada Collabo.
tabs = 3 spaces: Third Reich Indentation
you guys are nerds
13:49
@EtiennedeMartel Better that than tabindenting
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Oh god
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Collada
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;~;
Piña colada
13:50
Always happy to fuel your alcoholism
Hakuna matata
Mañana Hara Kiri
sssssssh
The walls have ears
Qué te pasa cara de pasa tu mamá en la casa
copypasta
13:52
Tabs are superior
You communist.
@kbok Did you do market access for a long time?
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I forgot what I was doing again...
Individualist spaces are superior to collectivist tabs.
Et tiennent deux martellent
13:53
Prout.
caca
L'escalade de la violence.
> Les éleveurs bovins en crise lancent un ultimatum à la filière
Je ne savais pas que les boeufs pouvaient devenir éleveurs !
flag reason, too much french.
There's never too much French
14:00
@maveň do you really talk in all those chat rooms?
Blessing this crass world with class and refinement
french is nice
@Cicada the elevated cows launch an ultimatum in a crisis for the path
what
(that was alex m translate)
@AlexM. Bovine elevators.
2
right
14:01
What, they don't teach you French in the French Balkans?
yes they do, ~9 years in school
fuck if I learned it
I went through both German and French
Who elevated the cows up? Who? Who who? who who?
No.
@AlexM. "went through"... sounds painful.
here: "J'aime la pizza." and "Ich mag Pizza."
I mean, those two are usually in a war. You don't want to walk in a crossfire.
14:02
I'm basically a guru
Like a windshield.
@EtiennedeMartel languages are painful usually
Non-capitalised noun? You fail.
Apr 23 at 9:39, by Alex M.
my german is limited to "Ich mag Pizza."
it was a typo, see proof
14:03
Should be in all caps.
Hurr hurr German sounds angry hurr hurr I'm so funny
Once you go full pizza, you can never go back.
I was a useless today
It's been a while since I had pizza. Like, 22 hours.
time to go home
very nice job. This crappy internal site fails to have comments on questions, or markdown.
14:14
What do youguise use for internal documentation? Some kind of wiki?
I need a word like "intra" and "inter" that means "surrounding"....
any ideas?
and I need it DAMN FAST
@Cicada hahahaha
Internal documentation
Good joke
@LightnessRacesinOrbit circum
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "circum"
@Cicada Never but I know some people who do it
"circum-event data"
anything more accessible?
circumcision
litterally "to cut around"
event circum-data
14:17
circumlocution
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What is that meant to mean?
That was a weird sentence.
@CatPlusPlus So whhat is it then, word of mouth? :w
@R.MartinhoFernandes a system uploads measurement data for the period of "an event", and for x time before and after it
@Cicada Confluence, mostly. We're thinking about switching to Wordpress for some things.
14:17
I just checked and I have everything ready for tonight: pizza, extra pepperoni, extra cheese, jalapenos, habanero sauce. I'm all set..
I wanted a good way to refer to all the data except from during the actual event
@Cicada shitty comments
@Cicada Bat country
email's already gone out now anyway
@LightnessRacesinOrbit event-neighboring data?
14:18
that's horrible
event metadata? >>
no offence
@Cicada no, that is things like start time, end time, avg value...
Metadata: data on data. Could mean anything if you try hard enough.
Extra-event data?
anyway
@R.MartinhoFernandes not inaccurate but bound to be misunderstood by these morons
14:19
Context?
Butte?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh, lost cause.
Why are monitoring solutions universally shit
@R.MartinhoFernandes You see my problem
I think "extra" is probably what I was after though so thanks
@CatPlusPlus any solution in particular?
All of them
14:21
I'm intimately familiar with how terrible oracle enterprise manager is, but I haven't really used anything else.
Terrible. Not only it's "enterprise", it's also a "manager"
But the worst word being 'oracle'
Yeah, they are the one.
I want something that can graph and collect metrics and alert based on that
You'd think that'd be easy
Would you really think that?
14:24
@CatPlusPlus good luck
Sensu kinda can do that, but it relies on a separate message broker, so I'd need external monitoring for more things and a more fragile setup overall god
If you find anything suitable let me know
@CatPlusPlus what are you attempting to monitor?
System metrics, app metrics
I know New Relic is pretty popular right now, but that's pretty web-app focused.
14:28
lol like anyone will pay for this
and someone showed me Netflix' Atlas, that looked pretty cool.
I just had this wonderful idea to survive the heat: wet my clothes with cold water. Brilliant.
Cicada's wet t-shirt contest
@Cicada Try with hot water, that might work even better.
aaaaaa euro increasing again rip my salary
14:39
So, I have to do a project for my database course. What business should I pick?
restaurant
Prostitution.
Prostitution does not have many constraints.
Like there are not many triggers that I can write.
Insurance company
@Jefffrey That's good, right?
14:41
No, I have to write a certain number of triggers, and procedures and views and inheritance trees and such
Like there's a minimum of complexity that I have to satisfy.
@Cicada Did that already for another project
@milleniumbug Looks easy
Someone did a Pokèmon data store or something along those lines
Another group did something about Magic the Gathering
sigh I really hate when something C++11-compatible works on gcc and clang.. and fails miserably on MSVC
MSVC is a second class citizen.
You either target C++ or MSVC
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portable_native_application : MSVC = website : IE
@CatPlusPlus let me star that..
Don't use cplusplus and you'll have no issues with cplusplus
14:45
Don't use MSVC and you'll have no issues with MSVC
@milleniumbug More like eighth class citizen.
MSVC flagged that
wtf? (what a flag) ?
Fuck, I misclicked
@milleniumbug OMG LEMME FLAG THAT no just kidding
Yeah no there's a confirmation
14:47
@CatPlusPlus I'm using a retarded chinese tablet
I'm out of strength for today
The OK button was on the same position
ITT Cat gets called a retarded chinese tablet
Fear and loathing in this fucking project
Time for some vidya games maybe
@CatPlusPlus ikr
14:49
What gaem to play
Don't you have work to do?
@Cicada No, that would be Embarcadero C++
gonna play some pokemon classic later
(was trying to tap on the arrow, tapped the flag)
Sorry about that
everyone fears my all mighty vaporeon
14:51
@milleniumbug TIL there's a shortcut
I open up the dropdown to select reply to LOL
Good job
@AlexM. TIL there's "reply to" in the dropdown
this isn't working in MSVC.. I don't think posting it on SO could help
compiles with 2015
Play agar.io
14:58
@Predelnik uh? Really? I'm using VS2013
cool, perhaps they fixed something
Or broke something
Maybe both
Probably both
@MarcoA. yeah, check on webcompiler.cloudapp.net

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