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10:01 PM
building GCC is complicated
 
@Rapptz I’ll pretend that’s what you’ve been doing non-stop ever since you mentioned doing it.
 
So, the C++ REST SDK tutorials show how to fetch the contents at bing.com. They couldn't be more Microsoftish if they tried.
 
@LucDanton I just started looking up how others do it 20 minutes ago.
mingw-builds has specific patches to work around some weird quirks.
 
and that you’ve now come back forever changed from the ordeal
"naw man, shit’s fucked up!"
rip Rapptz
 
it is
I'm not even sure I should bother
I'm checking if these patches have been applied to master since gcc 4.9.2
some have been half-applied and I guess I have to write a new match with just the half applied stuff..
iunno m8 not sure if this is worth the effort
> gcc-4.9.0-ICE.patch
 
10:11 PM
@Rapptz How convenient.
 
Ell
Building GCC on Linux is easy
 
yeah I bet
 
speaking of mingw... mingw64 with gcc 5.1 when? :D
 
I now know why it doesn't exist yet
btw @LucDanton the svn has the tag now
gcc_5_1_0_release
 
alright, I might use that then
 
10:19 PM
the git mirror doesn't though
 
all the crazy experimental patches that didn’t make it in time are always applied after a release, it gets crazy
@Rapptz that’s odd
 
yeah
 
@LucDanton yay/yikes
 
@melak47 Yeah it sure feels like that :) 'OMG they fixed this and implemented that! OMG they broke all the rest!'
 
so 5.2 will have the "use llvm as backend" patch? :p
 
> what came first: the past, the present, or the future?
Some Twitch chat wisdom.
 
none
these dank memes came first
 
The dankest of them all.
 
10:27 PM
> gcc-4.8.2-dont-escape-arguments-that-dont-need-it-in-pex-win32.c.patch
these patch names are getting long
oh hey, this was applied already
> gcc-4.8.2-fix-for-windows-not-minding-non-existant-parent-dirs.patch
gcc-4.8.2-windows-lrealpath-no-force-lowercase-nor-backslash.patch
I have a feeling I'll have to write my own patches
wow #include <windows.h> in GCC code
 
@Rapptz o.O
 
@Rapptz abandon ship
 
@Rapptz Do they at least #define NOMINMAX?
 
I mean this patch adds #include <windows.h> and no it doesn't.
 
@Griwes they have undef's elsewhere IIRC
 
10:32 PM
@Rapptz fail
 
which only work if you include crap in the correct order :)
patch the patch!
 
I don't think it needs it though
 
ugh why is everything so broken
 
it's in a .c file
is libiberty supposed to be clever?
i.e. -liberty?
 
Are there still files compiled as C in GCC?
 
10:34 PM
our build system at work doesn't even recognize the existence of C files :)
 
(I'm not exactly sure how the C -> C++ switch looked like, but I think they just started compiling C as C++...)
 
@Griwes don't think so
I think only specific parts were written/compiled in C++
rest in C
I found this patch called..
> gcc-4.9.0-pr-57440.patch
So I go into here to see what it is
and it's marked as FIXED but I don't see the patch being applied
Oh it was changed in a completely different file.
 
@Griwes Sort of, but the first things they are C++ifying are common utilities. So includes will stealthily bring C++ stuff in.
 
hi
alright done reviewing these 13 patches
what now
 
10:45 PM
@Rapptz dibs on libibrary!
 
lol. I mean libol.
 
Good one. Better trademark it.
GNU libiberty is a software library with a collection of subroutines used by various GNU programs. It was originally intended to be a sort of standard cross-platform library, thus enabling it to be linked (using the usual Unix library form) by just saying "-liberty". The contents consisted of a variety of useful functions. However, the development of standards for C and POSIX took away some of the impetus for this, and libiberty came to be used primarily as a support library for the GNU toolchain. Copies of libiberty are distributed with gcc, gdb, and the binutils. One important piece of libiberty...
 
I'll take libmao just in case.
 
@Rapptz Good idea, looks like there are several libols already
 
It'll be a communist library.
is make parallel by default yet
nope
So.. the default C++ make option is 'run 4 times slower than is possible'? What a strange decision! — Martin James May 12 '12 at 22:36
 
I like ninja and it does parallel by default
 
so, is zlib's binary called libzlib, or libz? -lz probably looks a bit odd as a linker option :v
 
libz
 
what a rebel
 
Is zlib Y2K-compliant?
Yes. zlib doesn't handle dates.
 
10:58 PM
@melak47 yeah it does. I use -lz and it's fugly
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, reading the replies to that tweet... what the fuck is going on in there?
 
it should be libibz.a
 
@Rapptz Let's start from "is zlib sanity compliant?", to which the answer is "no".
 
zlib is the shit
 
@EtiennedeMartel oh just a bunch of moronic, uneducated idiots upset that a newspaper ran a piece about the election without being unfairly demeaning to the Conservative Party
 
11:00 PM
I don't have anything to complain about w.r.t. zlib.
 
There's a pretty good list of things that are not ok with vanilla zlib. :P
(In readme.)
I remember that Sortie (the guy behind Sortix) had a better list, but I can't find it right now.
 
@Rapptz patch in another commandline switch so you can do -zl to link zlib.a :)
 
so zlib isn't sane because it wants to be as portable as possible and because it's old?
 
Oh, CHANGES is pretty good w.r.t. that, too.
@Rapptz It's terrible at being portable.
It's multiplatform, but not quite portable.
 
I have never had issues using zlib in other platforms.
So.. not buying it.
 
11:03 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Reading the article, I don't really get this obsession about the Union (with a capital U, of course). Is the whole country holding together with duct tape? Then again, I'm a partisan of nationalism everywhere, and I was disappointed when the Yes in Scotland lost.
 
@Rapptz That's because it's multiplatform.
The thing is, if it was portable, it wouldn't need all that compatibility shit.
 
lmao
these build scripts want me to remove MinGW from my PATH
I wonder how I'll build this
 
to learn the secret of building gcc from scratch you must first unlearn mingw out of existence
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't think it's an "obsession", though I understand that trying to explain this to a separatist like yourself is not likely to go too well.
The "Yes" campaign for Scotland was built on emotion and had absolutely no basis in practicality whatsoever. Independence for Scotland would have been an absolute disaster for everybody in terms of politics, economic stability, social mobility, and basically anything else you can think of.
Please note that this is coming from me, someone who is not at all a fan of gigantic monolithic nation-alliances in many respects. There is a critical point at which you cannot usefully govern any more, and that point is defined partially by population but also by differing needs and different cultures that are found within your constituency. But the UK is just small enough in all of those respects to make a lot of sense.
 
Isn't social mobility nonexistent in the UK to begin with? And the economy not really stable?
 
11:09 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Dafuq?
No and no?
And even if that were true, making it worse would still not be a good thing...
Anyway, a lot of support for Yes in Scotland is based on racism, and I'm not even kidding :P Chavs on the street who hate the English because they're English, and don't want anything to do with the English if they can help it. This is why there was 44.7% support in favour of independence despite the fact that there had been literally zero indication of how such a change would work in practice.
 
Hmm.
Separatism mostly seems to be built on "we don't want to have to deal with these guys".
Someone once said, I think it was Albert Camus, that the basis for independence is a refusal to negotiate.
 
@Rapptz if you manage to build it, will you up it to mingw64's "Personal builds" folder? :D
 
idk how the submission process is for that
so probably no
 
@EtiennedeMartel But you will always have to deal with these guys. You just won't get any of the benefits of being one of them.
@EtiennedeMartel We do not live in that world any more. Nations must interact. They simply cannot survive otherwise now.
(Disclaimer: you probably could, just about, but who wants to live like NK?)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sometimes people will feel like the drawbacks outweigh the benefits.
 
11:23 PM
@EtiennedeMartel The drawbacks are usually purely or almost purely emotional. Which is a pretty bad reason to redraw geopolitical borders.
IMO.
Anyway, that was the reason for the Twitter backlash: idiot people upset at a lack of Tory-bashing.
 
Yeah, but that's democracy. If enough people think that way, no matter their reasons, then it's that.
 
Um yeah never claimed otherwise
 
(but you already agree)
 
That seemed to be a line from some other conversation :)
 
I do that sometimes.
 
11:24 PM
lolk
 
Also, tories are idiots everywhere.
 
...
oh don't you start
 
Hihihihi
 
It's "hip" and "cool" to hate Tories in the same way that it's "hip" and "cool" to go onto meta.SE and whine about SE elitism just because your five god-awful non-questions got closed
Literally the same thing
 
Literally.
 
11:25 PM
Literally
I've only been up for four hours and it's already basically time to go to bed in preparation for tomorrow's day of work :( RIP me
 
But hey, I'm a social democrat. Bashing conservatives is my way of life.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Then those enraged Twitter users are your people. :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I seriously think they should calm their tits.
 
@EtiennedeMartel such a good phrase
 
If they really disagree with the editorial, they could just cancel their subscriptions and move on. No need to scream at them as well.
(I'm guessing many of them will not cancel their subscriptions, or are not even subscribed to begin with)
 
11:28 PM
That's because their goal is to scream, not to agree or disagree.
People [here] don't really "subscribe" to newspapers [any more] (except for those that are paywalled online, I guess)
You just grab one from the corner shop on your way to work or whatever
Or find it via sharing on FB
I for one am actually glad they don't "just cancel their subscriptions" or whatever; it's important for everybody for you to read things you may disagree with
It's how people optionally learn, if their disagreement has any roots in ignorance
 
Yeah, but we all know about the sinister conspiracy in which <people you disagree with> own the media.
Anyway, I need to eat something.
Get some sleep, you handsome dude.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ca sent pu trop la coupe jtrouve
 
@EtiennedeMartel dudette*
 
@Nooble dudesse*
 
This question does not deserve downvotes. I gave you an upvote to bring you back to zero. — Krythic 20 mins ago
ffs
stupid people
 
11:34 PM
@Borgleader Dudessette*
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Maybe I should downvote it to cancel his upvote.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit who thinks there is a lack of Tory bashing?
There is plenty if you ask me...
 
@Ell Toribash is such a fun game.
 
@Nooble lol
@Ell there wasn't on the article in question
Gave me 33% Conservative, 33% Lib Dem, 33% UKIP. Sounds about right.
 
11:57 PM
Feb 24 at 23:34, by райтфолд
Clojure is pretty bad.
lol /cc @rightfold
Night
 

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