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10:00 PM
rightfold confirmed furry
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HTTP/IP/TCP/UDP protocol.
 
user1804599
nononononononono
 
@Nooble Or any protocol ending with P really.
 
IP protocol
 
@Nooble That's not how it works
 
user1804599
10:00 PM
Does Beyblade still exist?
 
The acronym of that is HP, which is different from HTTP, you brat
 
@райтфолд Yes.
 
user1804599
:(
 
@Jefffrey Yeah, well, you're a brat too!
How does it feel to be insulted?
 
Good
 
It means someone cares about me
 
most of the music posted here is such crap
3
 
@Jefffrey We all care about you.
 
@Nooble Redundancy detected -- the P in each of those abbreviations already stands for Protocol, so (for example) TCP Protocol would mean Transmission Control Protocol Protocol.
 
user1804599
Korpiklaani ftw.
 
10:03 PM
@Nooble And I care about the people I insult
 
@JerryCoffin Your redundant comment was redundant due to context.
@JerryCoffin What you just said is redundant.
 
@JerryCoffin But but but that was the joke :(
@Jefffrey <3
 
@райтфолд it's a salami cheese, duh
 
That makes no sense
 
user1804599
what the fuck
 
user1804599
10:04 PM
is a salami cheese
 
@orlp Department of Redundancy Department called, they want their redundancy back.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Also please explain to me how drawing very dynamic geometry in OpenGL works
 
@Nooble Maybe next time you could try a joke that was funny instead?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, these people from other countries apparently don't have that.
 
@Jefffrey stream via VBO
 
10:05 PM
Ok thanks.
 
if you keep the size constant you can mapBuffer
 
I can't. The number of vertices keep changing
 
user1804599
Macarena.
 
@caps lol, just caught the double entendre.
 
@JerryCoffin There is no next time.
 
10:08 PM
There always is
 
Writing software that runs the Large Hadron Collider? No big deal. https://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/83497/software-engineer-cern-european-organization
So... Who's looking for a job !
 
I am
 
lol
 
Thanks for taking the whole screen for that image. I don't need to read anything else.
 
Can I use relative filepaths in Windows CMD?
 
10:13 PM
@Jefffrey No problem pal.
 
> Please note that we only accept applications from CERN Member State nationals.
 
user1804599
@sehe Terrible.
 
I know you are
@Nooble IMPOSSIBRU. They removed it because people would not be using eplorer.exe enough any more and they'd miss so much advertising income generated from the tracking cookies
@Rapptz Darn. What does that even mean (you need to be associated with a Uni?)
 
@sehe :p
 
^ The top left monitor thingy. How is this normally called?
"Equalizer monitor" or something..?
 
10:19 PM
@sehe I believe it means you have to be a citizen/live in a specific country.
 
@Rapptz Oh, that's a tad less restrictive
@StackedCrooked Vu-meter?
 
I see. Thanks.
 
@StackedCrooked Looks like a spectrum analyzer output (but hard to say with such minimal output.
 
@StackedCrooked FFT visualization?
 
@JerryCoffin Never seen winamp?
 
10:23 PM
@JerryCoffin I'd say it's a digital vu-meter with delayed peak tracking
@StackedCrooked me neither
 
Just to be clear: a Vu-meter just shows you overall volume level. A spectrum analyzer tells you the volume in each of a number of separate frequency bands.
 
@Nican that would be spectrum analyzer indeed
@JerryCoffin Yup
 
@StackedCrooked I looked at it once--around 1995, if memory serves.
 
The lama didn't appeal to you?
I used it until 2007 or so.
Almost 10 years.
 
10:24 PM
I use iTunes right now
and that picture of WinAMP makes me desperately want to never use it ever.
 
@StackedCrooked I don't remember much detail about what I did or didn't find appealing.
 
After installation it played a short audio clip that said Winamp kicks the lama's ass. Or something like that.
 
@sehe what do you think of my solution here? stackoverflow.com/a/29121713/565635
 
iTunes sucks balls
 
@orlp I upped it. Must admit didn't read it very thoughtfully
May revisit one day
 
10:27 PM
They changed the UI for no reason whatsoever
 
@StackedCrooked winamp WINAMP W I N A M P! It really whips the llama's ass!
 
It was the best UI ever, and they changed it to add tabs ?!?!?!? for no reason, now some things are duplicated between tabs, and you can't have a button to repeat !?!?!?!?
 
Should have added spaces
 
I don't even... what's going on in their minds.
 
@Pris Why would people want to do that? Did the llama do something wrong?
 
10:28 PM
@Puppy I also use iTunes. But it's become a very confusing piece of software. It used to be simple. Now I have trouble with the simplest stuff, like navigating my music.
 
@JerryCoffin It wasn't being a koala.
That's a sin.
 
@Jefffrey You can't ever be 'done' designing something because then what would you tell all your designers to do? That's why everything is continually redesigned, especially user interfaces
And if the new design is uglier, less useful, more confusing, then so be it.
 
Then designers are getting dumber by the minute.
 
I thought all the music hipsters were using foobar2000.org nowadays
 
I use Clementine
 
10:30 PM
@StackedCrooked I'm just so tempted to say something about how you badly you want Real Audio Player. :-)
 
@Pris And the horrible design meetings.
 
I like MediaMonkey. :)
 
@JerryCoffin wut
@Pris o.O ISTR to have used that. Once or twice
 
@sehe Its a really clean and simple audio player and comes preloaded with a bunch of radio stations / streaming services. clementine-player.org/screenshots
I think its one of the best players for linux
 
@sehe Sorry. I misspelled that. The corrected version is something like: Real Aud...buffering.................................................................‌​...........io pla...buffering.................................................................‌​.....................................yer.
 
10:40 PM
:D
 
If you're writing a compiler, should the compiler output things like syntax errors on stderr or stdout?
What about internal errors, like out of memory?
 
user1804599
It should read them from stdin.
 
iTunes 7 was clean and simple. Now it's all this.
 
@orlp std::cerr is unbuffered and hence very slow. Do you want slow compiler error output?
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Switch to the other view, you idiot.
 
10:45 PM
I do use the playlist view. lol
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow Good thing std::cerr isn't stderr.
 
@FredOverflow I think speed is less of an argument compared to what's supposed to be correct
 
user1804599
It looks like this on my machine: i.stack.imgur.com/encLY.png
 
@orlp cout, IMO. If you use cerr at all, it should only be for things like ICEs.
 
@orlp If you pipe the output of a compiler into a file, do you want the error messages in the file?
 
10:46 PM
@райтфолд Terrible
 
user1804599
No, it works very well.
 
It works confusing very well.
 
@FredOverflow Yes, usually. In fact, that's normally exactly what you want in there.
 
@JerryCoffin Then you can't use error streams, those won't pipe.
 
Here's a live demo: numeric_utils.hpp (patched); Here's the program with the hack disabled: main.cpp and here it is with the hack enabled: main.cpp. Now if I can do this "with existing boost installs" on an online compiler service, I think it's fair to say you have this option too :) — sehe 1 min ago
@StackedCrooked coliru ^ Developer Liberation Army
 
10:48 PM
Why two tabs? "My music" and "Playlists"?
One is a superset of the other
 
@FredOverflow That's why I said the error messages should be written to cout (though you can pipe standard error if you really want to, of course).
 
And when you have an iPhone, you have a specific tab for the iPhone
So you can't see your playlists and the iPhone's in one view.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey so you don't have to create a playlist with all music.
 
user1804599
If you want to listen to everything.
 
wat
 
10:49 PM
@sehe Now if I could only fix the slowness
 
Is redirecting stderr that big a deal?
 
user1804599
Are you an idiot?
 
@райтфолд The tab "Playlists" already has "Music", which contains all music.
 
@StackedCrooked It's Stroustrup's fault
Make one tab "Files" (or, more end-user oriented: "Things")
Killer app!
 
"Playlists" and "Music" should clearly be merged in a whole new tab, called "Don't use tabs you dumbfuck".
 
10:50 PM
@JerryCoffin You can? How?
 
@LucDanton It's not a big deal, but there's no point in forcing users to do so.
@FredOverflow 2>wherever (or 2>&1 to combine it with standard output).
 
@FredOverflow There's some stuff you can do though. I like this answer very much.
 
> This is where the Vim editor came in handy. Of course, we could develop a corresponding plugin for any of the other tools, but Vim appeared to provide this option by default. Analyzing Vim with PVS-Studio
 
user1804599
Any decent shell language (lol) has syntax for piping stderr.
 
@райтфолд That's a question only an idiot would ask to another idiot.
 
10:52 PM
I actually don’t remember off hand if GCC requires you to, even though I have a custom command that calls GCC while shoving the errors into a file.
Illustrating how not a big deal it is :v
 
Am I the only one that wants to see a javascript system shell? I find JS so much nicer than bash-like syntax
 
> Excellent knowledge of OO principles and software patterns (GoF).
lol fail
 
Redirecting stdout and stderr to separate fifos opens many possibilities.
 
@StackedCrooked Twoten!
 
@Pris lol javascript
 
10:53 PM
Twoten?
 
@Pris C Shell forever.
 
@Puppy imo its pretty good as a scripting lang
 
@StackedCrooked to tweet, twote, twoten
 
your o is clearly less than optimal
 
Go for it :)
 
10:54 PM
@JerryCoffin If you want to get that crazy, I vaguely remember a c++ interpreter
 
No shit
 
user1804599
ITT two people who are completely clueless about shell scripting are arguing about shell scripting language.
 
@sehe Hardly. Twoten, threeten, fourten.
 
@Pris Not hard to write with Clang.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked your mother's digestive system is FIFO.
 
10:55 PM
@JerryCoffin Duh. Homonyms Happen.
 
@райтфолд Indeed it is.
 
user1804599
Unbuffered.
 
@райтфолд You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. You're only mostly clueless about scripting languages.
 
user1804599
What a surprise, an original Coffin joke.
 
user1804599
Totally different from all the other ones, luckily.
 
10:58 PM
gg pantoona
 
Tcl is the worst scripting language.
 
@StackedCrooked Perhaps--but the competition for that title is fierce.
 
It may lose its position ..swiftly.
 
kinda like describing one particular shit as the stinkiest
 
"I'm off to bed" - Translation: "I'm off to stare at my phone in another part of the house"
 
11:02 PM
I require additional pylons sleep
 
I stopped by to say that Emscripten is gorgeous - I build C++ unit-tests with it, run them on node.js and they work just fine - gyazo.com/22dbdc8b13cc755b1bbb5946e73d19a0
 
typeid(*this).name() in a base constructor gives you the name of the base type regardless of the final type. hmm
 
@Abyx which libraries?
 
@Pris Sounds reasonable. At that point, the object is a base object. It'll eventually become a derived object, but isn't yet.
 
@sehe Catch if you mean unit-test library
 
11:04 PM
That too. But I know it's header only
 
I read some blog posts by people who do high performance computing in Java.
It's kinda silly.
Java has a memory model but does not have facilities for controlling how your objects are laid out in memory.
 
@Abyx I was wondering how far their autotools-based library support was
@StackedCrooked It is not silly. You can do it well with a lot of tweaking. Exactly like in C++
 
@sehe uhm? autotools? I use cmake+ninja
 
Just, it's possible to run into limitations of the VM at some point
 
They have to resort to tricks like allocating many objects at the same time to increase the likelihood that they will be close in memory.
 
11:06 PM
@Abyx Yeah yeah. I mean for libraries. Which is why that's what I asked
@StackedCrooked Gosh. That is never a talking point for C++, right :)
 
I read there's a way to add padding around objects to avoid false sharing.
 
Do you notice a pattern? I do
 
@StackedCrooked At that point why not just use JNI
 
@StackedCrooked Yes, but it beats the alternative (admitting that they were idiots when they believed the Java propaganda claiming that it was going to give them the performance of C for drastically less work).
 
Java's Optional<T> can be null.
 
11:07 PM
@Pris Because of 98% of the code doesn't require tweaks, you win out in productivity
 
There's a proposal for value types.
I'm curious what will come of it
 
C#.
By the time Java reaches (crippled VM) C# status, C# has become F#
 
@sehe I'm assuming if you need high performance code and you have certain requirements, its probably easier to drop down to C for certain things where you can manually manage memory and inline assembly than "create a bunch of things at once to hope they are aligned in memory"
 
@sehe Well, there's a small segment of developers that use it for high-performance stuff. Java has the atomics and memory ordering and lock-free mechanisms.
 
@Pris How constructive. You're basically assuming you're not discussing anything, so you don't need to consider the arguments :)
 
11:10 PM
But it's silly how much the basic design of the language works against using it effectively.
 
@StackedCrooked And they do so really well. In fact, volatile is actually useful and the fact the language doesn't leave things undefined is a tangible benefit.
Of course, the amount of tweaking is always the same. But it's not "silly" to have high-performance code in Java
 
Does Java not have UB? Certainly there can be races, not?
 
Well, I mean, bit shifts or integer additions don't incur UB quite so easily. There's no returning of refs to temp, no forgetting a return statement and so on
 
Martin Thompson, who did some impressive stuff says that switching to C++ could result in around 20% performance improvement. (For his type of application.)
That seems reasonable.
 
I can't believe I'm having to explain the difference between C++ and a managed language
@StackedCrooked Yup. However, real life performance often hinges on other factors enough to make that a bit flattering
How naive is this first PR to MSbuild? https://github.com/Microsoft/msbuild/pull/1 Ya really think MS is going to go for the GPL license? ;p
 
11:15 PM
@sehe I think concurrency is hard to make safe without impeding performance. Especially with the atomics/barriers stuff.
 
@StackedCrooked Seems like the Java designers felt that garbage-collected reference-typed inheritance was the only possible solution to every problem.
 
@StackedCrooked I think you have broken down enough open doors for now :)
 
@sehe Attempting to open that commit DDOSed my browser.
 
Yeah. That happens with all MS projects that were open sourced. They do the work in-house and just push ginormous squashed commits/merges
We analyzed 10 Million hacked passwords for complexity and randomness. Here are the results http://ctt.ec/VwOGo+ #dataviz via @wpengine
I'm so going to wow my son with that ^
And tomorrow the moon is going to wow my daughter.
Everybody happy o.O
 
@sehe What kind of user base is that? #26 is "psy", while only #46 is batman. :(
 
11:20 PM
Yeah. Nevermind people chose poor passwords. But chosing them in poor taste...
 
@sehe That list of 50 most used passwords...
> 40. hunter
lol
 
I also hate how half of the charts are comparing male/female. Although the passwords used by the Rich and Powerful is pretty good, but again, probably not their strongest password for a service they care either.
 
they dropped the 2
too complicated
 
hmm
if I was making a website that required passwords, I'd try to hack the password every time you sign up, and then if it takes more than a minute or so, accept it
 
> Company: Google. Position: Senior Engineer. Password: muffins. Crack time: 0.2 seconds.
 
11:26 PM
right. It always takes more than a minute, unless you use a wordlist and if you do, you don't have to stop it after /so much/ time. You just run it
 
time for anime
 
time for fuck my life
 
@Puppy "for fuck" or "to fuck"?
 
This intro is amazing. http://t.co/4EdjqXkHSc
Shall I plink @wilx? Mmmm. Seems apt
 
@sehe well there are better ways to fork make, and MS has nmake anyway
 
11:41 PM
?
 
@sehe lol congrats to GitHub
 
I'm going to sleep. That's early these days.
Night all
 
night
 
@sehe G'night.
 
Experimenting with ptmf for task queuing. For some reason, with PTMF the situation always quickly gets out of hand.
Posting simple callables is probably the way to go. But that sometimes requires slightly more verbose syntax at the calling site.
 
11:58 PM
why would you bother using PTMFs?
especially considering that you then just bind a bunch of arguments anyway
 
Well, you get this silly duplication if you post lamba:
// silly duplication of the "latencyCounter" name inside the lambda
latencyCounter.post_task([&]{
    latencyCounter.processBar{}, Har{});
});
versus:
latencyCounter.process(&LatencyCounter::process, Bar{}, Har{});
 

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