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11:00 AM
I keep wondering why the heck does any reputable company accept it
 
> Given the area of a circle is given by Pi times the radius squared, write a function to calculate the area of a circle. Amazingly, more than half the candidates couldn't write this function in any language (I can read most popular languages so I let them use any language of their choice, including pseudo-code). We had "C# developers" who could not write this function in C#.
 
> Most "Best Practices" in Software Engineering are there to keep bad programmers from doing too much damage.
interesting
 
i twote that
 
just now?
 
11:05 AM
@BartekBanachewicz twote?
 
@FredOverflow a few minutes ago
 
@Nooble past tense of tweet
@BartekBanachewicz Wait, why didn't I receive your tweet? Oh yeah, I don't use twitter.
+1 for controversy :). Oh, I know what GOTO's are, I started with BASIC like many of you. We need more GOTO's like we need DOS 8.3 filenames, plain ASCII encoding, FAT 16 filesystems, and 5 1/4 inch floppies. — postfuturist Jan 7 '09 at 8:26
 
user1804599
11:19 AM
Terribleness.
 
s/all that/Microsoft is able to come up with a good solution to keep their popularity up/
losses now are great if they bring winnings later
there's a term for this
forgot it
 
Xeo
aaaah, 30min massage~
 
massages are great
 
Xeo
yes
 
it's always great when grandma comes to visit because she's the only one in the family willing to do it :\
 
Xeo
11:36 AM
and from the feeling of it, my back was in a rather non-good shape
 
I have some annoying rheumatism @ shoulders
so any massage there is godsent
 
Xeo
The massage this time was a bit more involved - I usually just lie down and almost fall asleep.
But since the last massage was a good while ago...
 
god I do not understand what kind of idiot came up with reddit's UI
why would you make a post's title redirect to the video the post links to
you have to click on the comments link to get to the thread
it makes no fucking sense
 
because it's an content aggregator, not a forum.
 
it looks like a forum
it has threads
don't tell me a post's page with comments isn't a thread
 
11:47 AM
this biicode thing looks pretty nice btw
 
@FredOverflow What the hell?
Is that even possible?
 
@AlexM. it was designed to be a content aggregator, not a forum :p
 
12:11 PM
0
A: What is the proper way to create an exception hierarchy?

orlpI have found a reasonable solution that's not broken as far as I can see. It uses a slightly modified base exception type: struct BaseException : virtual std::exception { BaseException(std::string msg) : msg_storage(std::make_shared<std::string>(std::move(msg))) { } virtual const ch...

 
12:22 PM
so hungry
no food in
car's in garage
fucked
 
why would your car be fucked
I did not know you swung that way
haha I made le funny joke XD
 
/me orders £10's food from fish and chip shop for delivery
the one chippy that does delivery in this town at this time apparently
and minimum £10 so I'm loading up on expensive fizzy pop again
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit same, and I missed lunch time D:
 
12:39 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I knew a guy in school that was an international student, and he didn't like any American food
But he was amazed by how cheap soda was
So he lived on soda alone for a couple years
And got scurvy.
 
wtf
how can you not like american food
 
@AlexM. it's mostly shit
 
Xeo
@orlp You don't like entertaining the idea of a std::bad_alloc for the string copies and shared pointer creation, do you? :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz nope
 
@Xeo Could you rephrase that? I'm unsure what you're hinting at
 
12:43 PM
@AlexM. weren't you the guy who thinks pizza you can order by phone is good
 
sorry my english sucks
 
Xeo
@orlp Throwing exceptions while creating your exception
 
@Xeo is a lot better than a throwing copy constructor
 
hah I'm literally getting fish and chips delivered at 12:44pm on a Wednesday. awesome
@Jeremy o.O
@Jeremy he didn't starve?
@AlexM. they do burgers and steaks quite well. southern fried chicken is good.
and we all like the American reinvention of Italian pizza
 
I'd be in my natural habitat surrounded by american fast food
also yes new york style pizza is great
 
12:46 PM
it has hardly anything in common with pizza
 
not as good as actual [Italian] pizza, of course
 
it's a thick mushy bread with bacon on top
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes, "reinvention". I said that already.
@BartekBanachewicz no it's not
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I like it more but that's just me
 
oh yeah that's one thing though - Yanks have no fucking clue what bacon is
those thin strips of fat, burnt to a crisp
yuk
 
12:47 PM
mmm look at how it bends
 
but will it blend?
Jan 13 at 1:47, by Lightness Races in Orbit
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THIS is bacon.
 
I like that bacon
 
Xeo
om nom nom
 
little fat
I actually take the fat out before frying anyway
I don't like it
 
it's not even a good photo and it still looks better than Yank "bacon"
 
12:48 PM
@AlexM. what do you fry on then
 
colonial cretins
@BartekBanachewicz a pan? with a bit of oil?
 
@BartekBanachewicz oil
 
just because the bacon has solid fat as part of it doesn't mean you don't need oil lol. so removing it does nothing
 
you fry bacon on oil?
 
12:49 PM
after taking the fat away
what's going on here
 
@Xeo what I'm doing is standard practice btw, all implementation (have to) copy the argument
 
I think you're misunderstanding "taking the fat away"
it's actually best if you grill it on nothing, but alternatively fry it in oil or butter yes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit chemically smoked "bacon" is not bacon, it needs to be cold smoked and thick cut to qualify as Bacon
 
@Mgetz e.g. plz
not familiar with those terms
 
@Xeo if you want a noexcept copy constructor, which you want for exception types
 
12:51 PM
bartek is barteking again
stop being a .* snob pls :(
 
Xeo
arrrrgh, so hungry
I shouldn't have skipped lunch
after skipping breakfast
 
[barteking intensifies further]
 
Xeo
oooh, I just noticed we got bananas lying around here today. That'll do for a bit
 
@AlexM. what's a "dotstar snob"?
@Xeo I do have one grapefruit available
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit regex
 
12:53 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've never needed oil to fry bacon in my cast iron
 
I tried some random shit I've seen in videos when cooking my steak
like, adding butter and basil and shit
but for some reason just a plain fried steak with garlic sauce is still the best :\
 
Xeo
@AlexM. I recommend not adding the last part.
 
I mean just fry the steak on a pan and that's it
the taste is great, no more condiments needed (cept for pepper and salt ofc)
 
@AlexM. then you underseasoned prior to cooking
 
12:55 PM
@Mgetz wot
 
@Mgetz or maybe they're just realistic enough to realise that the money spent trying to lock people out is just sunk, and bound to piss off the users that will inevitably be falsely affected
 
@AlexM. could be wildcard too
 
@Mgetz I prefer the result to be not dry
@AlexM. salt, pepper, bit of oregano. nothing more.
 
@AlexM. I was a snob when I said delivery pizza is meh. Frying bacon on oil is another thing
 
I made the best ribeye EVER the other week. it was perfect
 
12:57 PM
@AlexM. I like potatoes with garlic butter with my steak.
 
Xeo
stop talking about food aaaaa
5
 
the meat itself needs just s&p tho IMO
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ditto, salt+pepper+ steak into oven for 20 min, then 90sec per side to sear
 
my new garlic-roasted potatoes concoction is great. takes effort tho
 
Xeo
12:57 PM
The banana didn't help as much as I hoped. :(
 
then rest while making whiskey cream sauce
 
@Mgetz hmm I've never oven-cooked a steak
 
Xeo
Guess I'll have to take a late lunch or something.
 
2.5 mins each side in pan. done.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ever eaten a steak at a restaurant?
 
12:58 PM
@Mgetz yes
 
because those are all oven cooked then seared
 
@Mgetz yes, I said I'd never done it
 
ah
 
I might try it now
well, not now
got no steak in :(
 
works best with thick cuts steaks
I usually get a good 1.5" thick ribeye
 
12:59 PM
@Xeo yeah that's really frustrating when you're hungry
 
I don't have a ruler nearby
 
user1804599
I need an algorithm to turn stack-based language into SSA.
 
let me just switch the tab hOH MY FUCKING GOD MISCLICK
Feb 5 at 19:19, by Alex M.
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my steaks are probably ~3 Google Nexus 4s high
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you might be fine, it's worth asking your butcher to cut them a little thicker
 
1:01 PM
> The new £1 coin will feature a drawing by a 15-year-old who has won a competition to design the "tails" side. David Pearce, from Walsall, was told the news by Chancellor George Osborne, who said the image will be "recognised by millions in the years ahead". It features the four plants associated with the four nations that make up the UK.
Hah, yeah, until Scotland fucks off within the next 10 years
Then you have to make a new one, dipshit
@Mgetz lol butcher
you think I can afford getting my meat from a fucking butcher
I don't even think there is a butcher anywhere around here
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit even a supermarket has a butcher at least in the US. I get my steaks at Costco though, they do a dry age prior to sale.
 
oh, true, the fresh meat counter
could do that
I typically pick up packets. I live alone and need the vacuum packed ness
a steak that will still be edible from the fridge in five days' time is far more useful to me than a steak I have to eat today or tomorrow
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't, at least here in the US those are filled with a very questionable tenderizer
 
can't be going grocery shopping all the time
@Mgetz dunno what that is. ours are pretty much just well-packed fresh meat
 
easier to just by steak less often and by better quality
 
1:04 PM
afaik
@Mgetz I'd rather have less quality more often
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit this is going to sound strange... but I'd rather it not be "Fresh" but dry aged
 
particularly because I've found that the "less quality" is damn delicious still ;p
@Mgetz I think I meant that
I'd check a packet but as previously mentioned I don't have any
 
user1804599
Nice, I know how to do it.
 
could probably do it cheaper with minimal additional effort, but again it's the storage
plus you can't recycle the plastic a steak-from-the-counter comes in
 
@AlexM. looks beautiful
(morning)
 
man I wish I could go back in time
when arena was made
and show the devs skyrim on a laptop
 
@AlexM. what and bitch about how much it crashes?
 
it never crashed for me
 
@Mgetz seems about the same size
jesus christ that's expensive
 
@AlexM. eh, tbh morrowind (my favorite) crashed a lot more
 
1:11 PM
$17 per steak are you shitting me
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Organic, prime, grass fed
 
that's fairly commonplace over here now, unless you go for the "Basics" ranges
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sadly it's not here
it's not like we don't have the space too
 
I want InternalCombustionEngines.SE
 
@Mgetz lol yeah
 
1:24 PM
 
WHERE ARE MY FISH AND CHIPS
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you sell fish and chips?
I'd like to buy one portion please
.....
typical webshop coding
ordering food
food = 13.55 + 2.00 delivery costs = 15.55, food + drink = 15.45 free delivery
(anything over 15 is free delivery)
 
1:41 PM
ok seriously i'm hungry hurry the fuck up
it's been an hour and 20 mins
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can send you some of my food
might be a couple days for it to arrive
 
it'd probably get here quicker
 
Xeo
@orlp That's not a coding problem
 
@Xeo 2.00 delivery costs, anything over 15 is free should be coded as if price < 15: price += min(2, 15-price)
 
user1804599
1:50 PM
TIL &! is & disown.
 
nice
stay away from the comments, as usual
it'll make you lose your faith in humanity, as the saying goes
 
is that the new JJ Abrams one?
 
are there any particular features removed by new standards from older versions? say, C++11 and C++14 removing something from C++03
not necessarily general breaking changes, more like things that existed before and now they don't anymore
not documented as obsolete, just removed
 
2:00 PM
apparently food is coming
they blamed the online ordering system (bullshit) but if that's true then at least it'll be fresh still
or it had better be
my car's ready to be picked up so I could have just gone somewhere myself by now
 
@lightness 2 PM fish and chips aw yeah
 
yeah I don't mind that so much but it was supposed to be 12.30pm fish and chips
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit offer to write them a new ordering system
deep down, you know you just want to be a web developer
 
Adaptive Virtual Texturing @Borgleader @ThePhD @melak47 @Pris @thecoshman
fucking list of people to plink growing bigger
 
@Jeremy -.-
@BartekBanachewicz plonk*
hmm that's interesting
I have an interest in 3D graphics, yknow
that's some remarkable attention to detail
the PDF kills Chrome of course
good job, Chrome
 
2:07 PM
hmpfh 2 hours more
 
oh, look - a computer problem that can be solved with an indirection layer
pretty cool stuff :)
 
std::gets is removed in C++14 completely
this should be enough
I should have worded my message like "new standards can include breaking changes" instead of "new standards can remove things"
now I've got a shitcrap noob onto me trying to tell me that nothing ever gets removed, it's just marked as deprecated
and like hell I'm gonna pay for Scott's course where he enumerates removed and changed features
 
@BartekBanachewicz get a chat room. Problem solved
 
Actually I have no problem to use a very simple C++ code with my MSSQL Server.: RETCODE xp_firstfun(SRV_PROC *srvproc) { Sleep(5000); return 0; } only if I use srv_sendmsg, when I build the code, I get this error — Kaja 21 mins ago
> What we have here is a failure to communicate
 
2:17 PM
@AlexM. There's almost always some documentation about why features were removed, but there are also certainly features that absolutely have been removed from the language. In most cases, they deprecate the feature first, and wait (at least) a version before removing it. In a few cases, however, features have been removed without moving through the "deprecated" phase first--the most obvious would be that exported templates were part of C++03, but completely removed in C++11.
C++11 does still consider export a reserved word, but does not include the exported template feature at all.
 
@JerryCoffin IIRC it was only ever implemented by one compiler, and caused issues
 
Xeo
@Mgetz That same compiler team also argued for complete removal in C++11, and not just deprecation.
 
I would guess they had very good reason then!
 
@Mgetz It was fully supported by Comeau. That's based on the EDG front-end. A few other compilers that use the EDG front-end (e.g., Intel) apparently had at least some support for it, but it wasn't documented. It wasn't so much that it had issues, as that it just didn't accomplish much (especially, essentially none of what was intended).
@Mgetz They did--specifically, that implementing that feature (alone) in C++ took an effort roughly equivalent to implementing a complete compiler for many other languages (IIRC, EDG also has a Java compiler, which they said took less effort than export).
 
@JerryCoffin exported templates is a good example, thanks
in case I get something like "but std::gets is a piece of code in a library, that's not a FEATURE"
"you said FEATURES"
sometimes I wonder why I still post on this forum
 
Xeo
2:23 PM
@JerryCoffin They also didn't want to have to support export any further.
 
@AlexM. I suppose you could argue about whether it was a feature or a bug, but export was definitely part of the language anyway.
 
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A: Using export keyword with templates

Matthieu M.First of all: most compilers (including gcc, Clang and Visual Studio) do not support the export keyword. It has been implemented in a single front-end: the EDG front-end, and thus only the compilers that use it (Comeau and icc) support this feature. The feedback from the implementers at EDG was ...

 
Xeo
if it was just deprecated, they'd kinda have a reason to.
 
@AlexM. on the library side std::random_shuffle appears to be getting shuffled off (pun intended) to the bit bucket in C++1y
 
@Xeo Yes--not to mention that as a commercial product, they have (for example) a mode that attempts to conform to VC++'s bugs, so they also needed to support the compiler working with it turned off as well. A great deal of pain with essentially no gain in return.
 
2:32 PM
Sehe, will do next time, some people -- no need for name calling-- however did get it mentally compiled ;) Thanx! — user1875444 11 mins ago
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thanks!
 
Just that some people are domain experts doesn't mean they like the "extra challenge" of dealing with shitty questions though. ^
Would have added that if I could think of a non-flamey way to say it
 
Xeo
@sehe Aaaaand... you answered anyways...
 
If sehe doesn't answer Spirit questions, who will?
 
LRiO starved to death yet?
 
Xeo
2:44 PM
30 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
IT'S HERE
 
Wow spirits is complicated
Just finished understanding sehe's answer :|
 
@Xeo Orite - missed that;(
@Blob Walk to bar. Say 'double Bells please'. Wait a bit. Pay money. Drink.
 
I don't agree with you. you can copy an object which holds unique_ptr. for example, I might implement LinkedList class which holds unique_ptr as the pointer for the next element. does that mean I cannot or shouldn't copy a liked list? I might want to copy the linked list itself and save that copy in the unique_ptr of the copied object — David Haim 15 mins ago
 
I'm reading a book that claims objects allocated in the stack in some function are destroyed by the exception handler (which I assume refers to the exception handling try/catch blocks) and not in the function itself where the exception was thrown. Is this true?
It goes against everything I know :C
 

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