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8:01 PM
@AlexM. isn't that the only proper way to make ObjC ? :>
 
no
 
@PTwr The proper way to make Objective C is to eat a lot. Sometime later, you'll be ready to deposit the Objective C in the toilet.
7
 
@JerryCoffin Or in some cases, to the client.
 
Woo I'm sober
 
I like how Apple does "garbage collection"
 
8:04 PM
@CatPlusPlus Are you sure?
 
with inserting cleanup routines at compile time and stuff
 
@CatPlusPlus you must fix it quickly
@AlexM. like gluing free(...) at end of code blocks?
eww
 
ack
I thought that Daemon Tools were the good guys?
just downloaded them to mount an iso of some old game and it came with some goddamn adware.
from their official website.
 
It's been crap for a long time
 
In Objective-C and Swift programming, Automatic Reference Counting (ARC) is a memory management enhancement where the burden of keeping track of an object's reference count is lifted from the programmer to the compiler. In traditional Objective-C, the programmer would send retain and release messages to objects in order to mark objects for deallocation or to prevent deallocation. Under ARC, the compiler does this automatically by examining the source code and then adding the retain and release messages in the compiled code. ARC differs from Cocoa's garbage collection in that there is no background...
 
8:06 PM
Win8 can mount ISOs natively
 
I haven't used them for a long time.
that's true but lol win8
 
Obj-C's ARC feels a lot like C++'s smart pointers without the stinky Obj-C syntax.
 
eww 8.... 8.1 is a tad better ;)
 
@Puppy Who SYN'd?
 
I wonder if we can make PTwr vomit
he seems to be sensitive to things
 
8:07 PM
speaking of which
why do I have Gamespy Comrade installed?
 
I'm using Win8 for several months now
Well 8.1
 
Welcome to the club.
 
I have not used start menu in years, so only differences I see between 7 and 8 I see is faster booting and native ISO mounting
 
Hey
 
8:09 PM
Right now I only use Win8.1 for GAEM.
 
@Nooble Just finished a LoL session
 
GAEM?
 
@BartekBanachewicz How long was this?
 
@PTwr I gaem on my PC a lot.
 
8:10 PM
2 matches
I played guitar earlier
 
@CatPlusPlus I use 8.1 at work and it's not that bad, it's just "Only somewhat crappier than Windows 7"
 
it's better than 7
 
I have not observed any way in which it's better than 7
and that Metro shit is super fucking annoying.
 
yeah, but you suck.
 
8:11 PM
Metro goes a bit more out of the way in the latest Windows 8.
At least my Windows shows the desktop view immediately.
 
I don't use any Metro stuff
 
8.1 loads to desktop if keyboard/mouse is detected
(so on PC's)
 
Well I sometimes look at the start screen to check weather
 
Because looking out of the window is too difficult.
 
@Jefffrey sometimes it is dark outside
 
Looking out the window doesn't tell you temperature
 
@CatPlusPlus I use the windows mail client
 
@CatPlusPlus Opening the window does.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah it does you non-alien.
 
I wanted to use their calendar too but it's unfortunately too fucking retarded
 
8:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Metro one?
 
@CatPlusPlus I never intend to use it. But it happens anyway.
 
Ewww
 
@Puppy lol
 
@Puppy just like you don't intend to implement pattern matching?
 
8:14 PM
You're bad
 
@CatPlusPlus :toot toot:
 
Windows 8 is ok guys
 
Metro is fine... untill you try to attach file to email
 
@Columbo having several popular apps at age 14 is an achievement
 
been using 8+ for a year or two now
all ok
 
8:15 PM
@PTwr I only read emails in it. I don't write from that account
 
haven't implemented pattern matching
3
 
@sehe Who said they were popular?
 
And metro skype... god... that sucks most
 
stared because it's still hilarious
 
@Columbo At least he gets stuff done.
 
8:15 PM
@Nooble I did. And the documentary. I don't care enough to check
 
@Jefffrey Unlike who?
 
@sehe I never recall it saying his apps were popular, just that he made them.
 
(well, skype sucks in overall lately, but Metro one is worst)
 
Facebook is popular too
but is in no way the achievement of a prodigy programmer
 
It is nothing to chimp at either
 
8:16 PM
@sehe Oh, you mean that documentary that assuredly tries to get as many views as possible?
 
I've actually realized that I don't want to make 100 shitty mobile apps my life goal
 
@Columbo Any average lounger?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Gah.
 
@Jefffrey hey I get stuff done
sort of
well just wait I'll prove to you
 
You're all just jealous
 
8:17 PM
You are not an average Joe.
 
ask my boss about my productivity
 
Of course he's not a rocket scientist
 
I'll bookmark this message
 
@Jefffrey How complex is his stuff, then?
 
Does it matter?
 
8:18 PM
A puzzle app doesn't sound that complicated.
 
@sehe not saying the kid does. But all of those people being all "#socode" and "I'm a programmer because I can deploy a JS framework" are not the part of the society I want to identify myself with
 
how do I bring bookmarks to the bookmark bar
 
@Columbo from what I seen, it is "I completed tutorial" level
 
firefox so confusing
 
call me jealous and elitist if you want, I'd just say my ambitions are a tad higher.
 
8:18 PM
@Columbo It isn't I've made one in OpenGL as a project last summer. And I was thirteen last summer. Koala > Him.
 
@BartekBanachewicz thanks for explaining that. I wouldn't have otherwise known
 
...right
I forgot I'm OpenSourced.
 
Open source doesn't work.
 
it doesn't if scrubs like jefff don't participate. How's your thing going
 
You mean my uni exams?
 
8:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Still functioning. Thanks for asking
 
When communicating via sockets, is it bad practice to send a packet with the length of the string in the next packet? The alternative is a fixed-length char array (dealing with C).
 
I have 1 in 2 days, one on the 2nd, one on the 9th and one on the 16th.
 
@Jefffrey yes well whatever is preventing you from writing haskell code :D
 
@Blob It's bad practice to talk about them in a lounge
 
@sehe hehe grownups
 
8:20 PM
lol alternative
 
@Bob [length][data] would be better
 
@Blob use an abstraction if you can't figure out the details yourself
BTW @Cat @Jefff I had an idea for hate, I want to bounce it off ya
 
I hate it
 
Cat is a hate expert
 
expet? expat? expert?
 
8:21 PM
considering the fact that the user already gives us their data model, what do you think about an "automated multiplayer" idea, provided by the framework
as in, the FW takes care of connections and keepalives and stuff, and you just specify what parts of your model are to be sync'd
My premise is that since the logic is mostly pure and well-contained, moving to multiplayer should be trivial
sans predictions/interpolation, but let's just talk LAN now, even. (could be solved by FRP anyway)
does it make at least a tad of sense?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I thought about such thing few times, but it won't be good for performance (bad for real-time games)
 
And I thought TV was boring
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
I have no experience with multiplayer so I wouldn't know.
 
Trivial
 
8:23 PM
IMMUTAHBILITAY
 
@BartekBanachewicz IMO the difference between running multiple clients on one machine, a lan, or over interwebs should be well hidden.
 
@BartekBanachewicz PURRDICTAHBILITAY
 
@PTwr ?
 
my golden rule for problem solving is working great
 
8:24 PM
fixed time steps, controlled pseudorandom generatos
 
@melak47 ?
 
@AlexM. delete the code?
 
it should work.
 
@PTwr why would it be bad for real-time games?
 
@CatPlusPlus remember we're talking big gamejam-ish scale here. Or just slightly bigger. Hate isn't UE4
 
8:25 PM
@melak47 any unnecessary overhead hits latency
 
I was just wondering if adding that as a part of a FW is a good idea
 
@sehe it goes like this: if a problem takes too long to solve, you drop it completely and do a workaround
 
:D That will work nicely when your problems are trivial
 
what if the workaround takes too long
 
workarounds don't take too long
 
8:26 PM
Why not?
 
you change the scenario if required
 
@BartekBanachewicz manage expectations and do a smaller workaround :p
 
compromises are better than nothing
 
@AlexM. let's say "the problem is that we're losing oxygen. we can't fix that problem, so we'll kill the crew as a workaround"
 
a matter of perspective
 
8:27 PM
valid workaround if you have enough oxygen for some of the crew to reach another source
 
What if the crew doesn't want to be killed?
 
They suck
 
I just realized something amazing!
Next week is regents week!
I have no school for a week!
 
what?
 
Regents week.
 
8:28 PM
School should be a pleasure.
 
school is a pleasure
 
@PTwr I wouldn't call syncing important data between clients "unecessary" or "overhead"
 
after you're done with it
 
Not something you strive to get off of.
 
@Jefffrey Yeah okay.
 
8:28 PM
and see Noobles having to go to school
 
life should be a pleasure
 
@Jefffrey Why would you not strive to get out of school?
That's the entire purpose of it.
 
I'm with Nooble
I'm glad I'm outta school
 
Except that you are trying to skip school.
 
I'm not.
Regents week = No one goes to school
 
8:30 PM
And no, the entire purpose of it is that you learn something. Independently from how much you stay there.
 
jeff reminds me of lrio atm
 
@Nooble Yeah, you shouldn't be happy about that.
 
@AlexM. he's right though
 
@Jefffrey It never is.
 
the fucked up situation of education is a problem
 
8:31 PM
school is 99% pointless timewasting bullshit and maybe if you're lucky 1% of useful learning
 
@BartekBanachewicz school works
 
there's nothing wrong at all with trying to save that 99% of your time.
 
@AlexM. poorly
 
@Jefffrey What on earth are you talking about? Is it my fault that I don't like being trapped within four walls 8 hours every weekday?
 
it outputs people trained to do things the way they were taught
 
8:31 PM
@Puppy Come on, let's say at least 10%?
 
eh I dunno
that definitely feels generous to me.
 
8%?
 
@Nooble his point is that school should be fun. nice. you are supposed to enjoy it.
 
That's as low as I'm willing to go.
 
7%
 
8:32 PM
nah still too much
 
But it probably depends on country
 
I'd only go up to about 4% at most.
 
school becomes unenjoyable when there are other things that are more enjoyable in your life
like video games
 
school becomes unenjoyable when you could more effectively learn on your own.
 
^
 
8:33 PM
If education is 99% a waste of time, it is your fault. There is no other time in your life you are given so much time to make the most of your self.
 
@AlexM. I dunno, single player video games kinda lost it for me
@thecoshman bullshit
 
if by "Given so much time" you mean "Forced to spend so much time on shit like Shakespeare"
 
I dunno guys, I don't consider school helped me do anything I've done so far
 
@thecoshman for us, intellectual elite, school classes are under our level because they are tuned to match level of non-programming peasants
 
I learned a lot in school.
 
8:33 PM
Most of what I've learned is self-taught.
 
if I'd actually been given that time, I could have spent it on something far more useful, interesting, beneficial...
 
I kinda miss my classmates
that's about it
 
But then again, I also wasted a lot of time.
@Puppy that being said, your opinion of what's worth learning is on the level of my university shittiness, so maybe it was good for you that you were forced after all
 
hell, it would have been more usefully spent tickling my dog's stomach
 
@BartekBanachewicz Most everyone learns a lot in school. The question is if you like what you're learning and want to learn it. Better yet, if what you're learning could be applied later in life.
 
8:34 PM
Tickle my stomach Puppy
 
@thecoshman My "freetime" is when I make the most of myself. Precisely when I learn what I want at the rhythm I feel more comfortable with.
 
I won't tell anyone
 
@Nooble "later in life" thing is bullshit.
you apply vast majority of anything you learn
 
it's what really matters.
that's bullshit.
I've never applied Shakespeare to anything.
 
welp, it's not.
 
8:35 PM
or Dickens.
or my expertise on American settlers.
 
Another year passed, I still have not used trigonometry in kitchen. ;p
 
or soil erosion.
 
@Puppy that's because you're a closeminded ignoramus and haven't even noticed the impact
also, vast majority != 100%
 
@PTwr Make some game and you will
 
sure, there are things that you learn and basically forget
 
8:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Not really.
 
Dec 22 '14 at 18:40, by Lightness Races in Orbit
I wonder... does Puppy seriously believe that every school in this entire country teaches Shakespeare on a fucking whim?
lol
 
but actually most of the knowledge is used somewhere
 
@Blob There are libraries for that. But yes, learning it would be beneficial in some ways.
 
doesn't mean you should learn all of the weird stuff in school
 
@BartekBanachewicz More generally, I just don't care. Whether or not our current culture was partially formed by Shakespeare is irrelevant. What matters is how it could be improved.
 
8:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Please tell me where I've used my knowledge of Latin.
 
@Blob I did, years ago! I came out with several cool equations! Two years later I learned in school that some greek, Thales, did it thousand of years before me ;p
 
and a four-hundred-years-dead man has nothing to say about how to approach copyright in the digital age.
 
"knowledge"
 
@Puppy see, your mistake lies in the fact that you refuse to understand that the knowledge of past is necessary to improve upon the present
 
@Nooble You can't rely on libraries to do basic situational math for you.
 
8:37 PM
just like with your ignorant attitude with Wide
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not really necessary.
 
the only knowledge of the past that's necessary is the knowledge that's directly relevant.
 
one would think the latest incident would make you more humble
 
@Jefffrey wrong plural forms in the lounge
 
general shitting-around is not necessary at all.
 
8:38 PM
s/forms/formii/
 
but nah, it just put you even deeper into "I'm a genius" bubble
 
@BartekBanachewicz What, the incident where I ate some tortillas?
 
@Jefffrey I've yet to meet a student who would rather go to school than stay at home doing what they want. Of course, staying at home doing what you want is in no way beneficial to you getting a job (most of the time), but you can't blame me for wanting to stay at home.
 
I want to eat some tortillas
 
cause I admit that that was a failure on my part.
 
8:38 PM
Well good luck on living your disillusioned dream
 
but it had nothing to do with my lack of appreciation of how badly it went last time.
 
@Nooble I'd rather go to school.
 
@Jefffrey Only thing I learned from Latin and still use is "bacterium" ;)
 
My denial of reality makes more sense, frankly. Even as a joke.
 
I was considering it right as I was consuming them.
 
8:39 PM
@PTwr How did latin dudes even know of bacteria?
 
Every era has its own different set of challenges. If we were to overcome them taking inspiration from the past that would mean we are running in circles.
 
ok thread derailed
 
@Blob That's great. If you enjoy that, it's fine with me. However, I have a problem when people start trying to impose their opinions on me.
 
do you have any actual input on the thing I proposed?
 
are you asking me?
 
8:40 PM
@Blob spelling stuff, without knowing it I wouldn't know difference between one and multiple fuglies :) Just an example
 
I'm trying to get the scope/boundaries of the framework
 
because I have no idea what you're talking about.
@Nooble Especially the "OMG CULTURE!!1111" people.
 
wasting billions and billions of taxpayer money
 
guys, the school argument ain't going anywhere
let's all agree that the point is to make the most of your life
and call it a day
 
8:41 PM
@Puppy that's not surprising, considering you lack prerequisite knowledge to understand.
 
No argument go anywhere. Come on people, wake up. That's the whole point of an internet argument.
 
welp, okay. I'm out then.
 
well I have been working instead of paying attention to Haskell projects of other loungers
 
If you are one of those sissies that want everything to have an happy ending, just leave.
 
What's the argument about anyway?
 
8:41 PM
School
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Bartek is "pro-school", we are against it ;p
Or something like that
not really sure
 
Oh, I'm pro school.
 
@Jefffrey u wot m8
 
@Jefffrey nah, I actually want to do something instead of going on for hours without a fucking reason or possible gain at the end
 
I think universities are awesome.
 
8:42 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I said something along the lines of "Yay! No school next week" and then an onslaught of "You should want to go to school"
 
the only thing this discussion can do to you is make you dumber
bye.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Other point of views are the gain.
 
I'm not saying school is bad, I'm just saying that having a break from it is a good thing.
 
@Nooble No school for what reason? Finals?
 
@Nooble oh, everyone loves a week off - it has nothing to do with school.
 
8:42 PM
If your goal is to try to change other people's mind, then yes. You will have probably no gain here.
 
@Blob Yes, but I'm done with mine.
 
A week off your routine is fun even if what you do is awesome.
 
I want a week off from time to time too
 
@Nooble I still have 2 left :C. Monday and Tuesday and I'm done :D
 
I mean sitting in one place for 8 hours a day gets boring
 
8:43 PM
@Jefffrey I don't care about them here.
 
I want a time off from week to week
 
but I don't want the week off if I don't get paid
 
Then bye.
 
so I sit in one place for 8 hours a day anyway
 
Education is good and important, a week off is fun regardless of what you're doing if it breaks your routine. Not sure what the argument here is.
 
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8:43 PM
lol arguing with borket again
 
The argument had nothing to do with Bartek, but w/e.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Education is good and important. If only school actually offered some that people needed...
 
I have a class in grammar and composition. If someone could justify the need for me to learn what a objective complement is and how it is used, that would be great.
 
@Puppy are we talking high-school, elementary or college?
 
can you imagine a world with a perfect educational system
outputting geniuses all the time
no people willing to do grunt work anymore
 
8:46 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum All of the above, but it can be a bit variable.
 
it would be kinda bad
 
How so?
 
also if you could clarify those stages in more international terms I'd appreciate it because I only have a vague idea what each one is.
 
@Jefffrey It would be boring if everyone was the same, don't you think?
 
@Puppy grades 1-12 vs a higher education
That's all I care about.
 
8:47 PM
@Nooble How did you go from "outputting geniuses all the time" to "outputting the same people all the time"?
 
@AlexM. thats where robots come in :)
 
poor Robot
 
user1804599
He has a computer.
 
user1804599
So he must be pretty rich.
 
forced to do dumb coding after a design
because the rest of the world is all geniuses
who don't want to do it
 
8:48 PM
@Puppy Well, I'd like to pick the easier battle since you gave me a choice. College and grad school will often teach you things that are very hard to learn otherwise and are very important.
 
user1804599
geniouses
 
@Jefffrey Everyone's a genius. Genius = Genius.
 
user1804599
gsus sindustries
 
genii
 
user1804599
they have a great icon
 
8:48 PM
lol
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That was certainly not my experience of university. They waffled on about random domain-specific things and that was pretty much that.
and then in our third year we had one month of algorithmic complexity.
 
I learned to use awk in uni
and sed
and grep
that's about it
 
I learned to cheat
 
they may have spent one week on those tools at my uni, but I'm a Windows user and therefore don't care.
 
I honestly never bothered to try linux
 
8:49 PM
@Puppy Then you probably had a shitty university. We had a course on Algorithms (most people did more than one, most three), a different course on complexity and computation and 4 first year math courses that were actually helpful when learning things like machine learning.
 
until I had to take the OS class
 
Thats what happens when grades are more important than passing knowledge ...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Machine learning is random domain-specific shit.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. nice.
 
user1804599
They are great tools.
 
8:50 PM
also, most algorithms I've done are random domain-specific crap too.
learn 9999 variants of sorting algorithms!
 
@рытфолд I rarely use them
 
user1804599
I use them all the time.
 
@Puppy of course it's not random domain specific shit. It's a field of computer science - it was also not mandatory. What I'm saying is that we were well equipped with the math and algorithmics required to tackle those problems when we got to them.
 
user1804599
I think AWK is heavily underrated.
 
Biggest problem of classic concept of school is Internet, it makes learning what you want much easier and efficient
 
8:51 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum It is random domain-specific shit. If your domain does not call for machine learning, then studying it was completely useless.
 
Sorting algorithms were about a week of the first year which was mergesort, quicksort, radix sort, insertion sort, heapsort, and proving the boundaries.
 
and there are cat pictures
 
Regardless of what anyone has said, I will definitely enjoy my week off. And I definitely won't be saying "Oh gosh if only I could have school right now! How fun it is!". Instead, I will be at home, sitting in a chair, staring at a computer, and playing whatever I have in my steam library.
 
user1804599
AWK combines grep and cut in ways nobody could have imagined.
 
@Nooble you could learn archery in that week of!
 
8:52 PM
@PTwr Not a chance, I don't play sniper in TF2.
 
@Nooble you need to stop listening to people a bit more
 
@Puppy the advanced courses you choose were domain specific - but you got to experiment with multiple domains and you had the first two years which were nothing but foundations.
 
a whole bunch of random sorting algorithms is not foundational.
 
@Nooble throwing knifes ?
 
it's just a bunch of sorting algorithms which you will forget the moment you encounter std::sort.
 
8:52 PM
@AlexM. Oh the paradox.
 
@Nooble think about it like this
you're old
you have kids
 
@Puppy No, but for us it was just one week and an example. The emphasis was on the divide and conquer approach and theoretical analysis - and proving the bounds.
 
@PTwr Fish.
 
which is also random domain-specific shit.
 
and you tell your son "Son... go and have the fun I never had. I had to force myself to enjoy school because a sneaker from a chatroom told me to."
 
8:53 PM
well, divide and conquer, hm.
 
@Puppy I had little conflict in uni with one prof, because on task to "write program using most efficient sorting" (he meant quicksort) I just made .Sort() in C# ;p
 
No, it's not - divide and conquer is not domain specific, neither is formal analysis of algorithms and proving correctness.
 
formal analysis of algorithms is specific to academic research.
 
@AlexM. I wouldn't want him to attack me with his crotch.
 
if you are a web developer it's pretty unlikely you will need to start proving the bounds of algorithms.
 
8:54 PM
@Puppy No, it's really not - I have applied it several times at work.
 
@Nooble I was serious there though
I had one guy on Steam who insisted on expressing his opinion wrt everything I was doing
silenced him
 
I believe I learned more about physics from hot topics on SE.Physics that during all my school years
 
@Puppy if you are a web developer you really should not be getting a computer science degree. I'm the first one to agree that most web developers know shit about what they're using.
 
I'm not arguing that web developers don't know shit
 
removed myself from a forum too, where it was all noise thrown around by people with different opinions
I feel sort of free
a very special feeling
 
8:55 PM
@Nooble You have missed the point entirely.
 
I'm arguing that if you're a web developer, you don't need to know formal algorithmic analysis.
 
A computer science degree trains you to be a computer scientist - not a developer or a programmer. It's definitely not useless either it's very interesting and valuable.
 
feeling like you don't have to answer to anyone
 
@AlexM. I'm not listening to Mr. Sneaker though, I was just surprised that this whole argument stemmed from me liking to have a week off.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well, I'll agree that if you want to be a dev or programmer, then CS is not that.
 
8:56 PM
And as web developer you do not need to know 10 year old technologies (specialty of all unis)
 
let's rephrase then
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's interesting to you maybe.
 
@Puppy oh, I completely agree, you also don't need to know operating systems, algorithms, linear algebra, complexity, calculus or pretty much anything else related to actual computer science. You can be a perfectly competent web developer without knowing what P = NP means.
 
it's clearly useless to only offer CS courses to people who want to be devs.
I'd argue that most people have little need for more than the basics of complexity.
and that CS should not be considered a dev pre-requisite.
but I would argue that some CS basics like complexity basics should be included as mandatory for all devs.
 
CS isn't considered a dev pre-requisite in many places. We certainly don't require it.
 
8:57 PM
lucky for you :P
 
this action queue concept I came up is so fun
having a blast just programming it
can't wait to see how it goes
 
hmm?
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
Hmm.
 
Hummm
 
user1804599
8:58 PM
AWK in Perl is just for and if.
 
@AlexM. like in HoMM 6?
 
A good developer still benefits a lot from knowing algorithms and formal analysis. For someone who just does DB skins all day nothing matters anyway.
 
@PTwr what?
HoMMs don't have action queues
 
@AlexM. I meant that thing queuueueueeing units
 
your Pokemon seems to have what I'm doing but I haven't taken a look at it
 
8:59 PM
action queue?
 
but apparently I misunderstood
 
I can't think of any proper PC RPG that did this before
 
Queue<Action<...>>?
 
> on each turn the party has a queue of actions that it can fill and each character can contribute with a number of actions, and they complement each other; e.g. character 1's water splash causes character 2's lightning bolt to do 2x damage
 
@Puppy My point is that university is valuable since it teaches you things that would otherwise be a lot harder to acquire and it ensures via a diploma that people who have studied there cover the curriculum. That may or may not be required or correlated to work but it's definitely not useless. I think we can both agree to that.
 
8:59 PM
4 hours ago, by Alex M.
e.g. lightning does 2x damage against targets that are wet, and water splash causes targets to become wet unless they're already on fire, in which case they become normal
 

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