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02:00
@Nooble Their fault, should have done what MS did and built their OS from scratch if they want to talk about invention.
it's easier to take what's been done, improve it and market it as something never before seen
it's not a lie if nobody knows the truth!
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My chicken knows how to use a stick to scratch her backside, a baby butcher bird knows how to sing to get food from us ... talents in silicon valley, yeah right
@DemCodeLines In some ways Unix is better than Windows.
They have their pros and cons.
how do you even read "ayy lmao"
is there a recording
@DemCodeLines Didn't they invent Google Chrome? Oh wait.
02:01
yes there is
@DemCodeLines Yes, Apple invented software (and Al Gore was working for Apple when he invented the Internet).
@AlexM. You just do. Ay-Lamao
alien 1: ayy lmao
alien 1: *rips bong*
alien 2: ayy lmao
@AlexM. You could post your nudes here easily. ;P
02:02
lol
@MarkGarcia too fat :(
maybe once I lose weight
@AlexM. Oh, so that's where the too much effort part comes in.
But really though, if a small company is hiring me and someone like Dropbox and Google is rejecting me, I need to take a look at myself and my skills.
@DemCodeLines They wouldn't be doing that if you didn't have skills.
02:04
sometimes companies reject you because they found a better quality/price ratio
You guys made me feel better ;)
Or if they're in the diversity thing.
and given the kind of people that want to work at and end up at stuff like Dropbox and Google
I'd argue that there are better ratios out there
and getting money to keep yourself alive is a better goal than competing with them now
@AlexM. Average koalas would agree to get paid $200/hr to stare at monitor and type.
I mean look at Mysticial
he works at Google
02:06
Yeah.
He has a 5960X.
@DemCodeLines Good thing you're not in the time where they guys here make you feel battered. :)
and he had to break the world record for Pi digits
@Nooble lol
a number of times
JUST TO DO BORING JAVA STUFF
@MarkGarcia The only measure of a persons wealth.
02:07
Google is a nice environment. That probably helps.
"Sorry... in order to work on our high performance server software you have to... uh, go to the moon and back in a custom built spaceship, made out of spare parts in your garage. Breaking the world record for calculating digits of Pi only nails you a Java job."
@AlexM. Hey, I can do this!
So you're saying that if I were to... say learn how to use OpenCL to calculate digits of Pi in parallel, and bought an ASIC to this one thing, I could get a job at Google?
you still wouldn't beat Mysticial
A master plan is emerging.
I know :C
@AlexM. I think Java and C were his two main languages to begin with.
02:09
hey I'm over-dramatizing here to make the plot more interesting
Any word on how long he left the thing running?
If only we had some way to ask him...
@Nooble It's all in his website. (link in his profile)
@Nooble lol
@MarkGarcia Even better!
02:10
@Nooble Yes. I guarantee it!
So apparently it's a whole year.
I love how his website yells "fuck fancy designs, here's some science" at you
@AlexM. But hey, those who do work on the server software get to work with Gru and his minions.
Function > Fashion
@AlexM. The red background is an unusual choice.
@Nooble That was the 10 trillion digit run. The 12 trillion digit run was quite a bit shorter (around 2 or 3 months, if memory serves).
02:13
@StackedCrooked it suggests extreme levels of everything
@JerryCoffin hehe, you underestimated him
I should just take Mysticial's 10 trillion digits, print it, and print random numbers at the end. It would be good enough for the demo, and it would take someone at least a year to prove me wrong.
not really
verifying correctness is pretty fast
or so I've read
I would be nervous having to keep a console window open for that long.
@AlexM. Wouldn't this be P vs Np?
02:15
@Nooble lol
@StackedCrooked Remove your keyboard and mouse!
@Nooble To provide a simple example of how verifying correctness can be a lot easier than calculating some value: try calculating the square root of 34212. Not too easy? Doesn't matter. Just tell me if 190 is the right value. How hard is that?
@MarkGarcia Didn't think of that. Nice.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's about as hard as a soft boiled egg.
Dammit, I want to eat soft-boiled egg now.
Oh, ffs, did they mess up the font style again?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Apparently so.
@Nooble Actually, no. There are ways to generate specific digits of pi relatively easily. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
02:20
@JerryCoffin There goes my dreams!
I guess I'll just have to do actual work instead.
How inefficient.
I can see why google would like Mysticial to work for them - he's good with multithreading, has a dedication towards computing & possibly suffers from autism. I doubt even @R.MartinhoFernandes is able to get into google. Not because Mysticial is any better than robot in C++ or any smarter, but because pi guy lives near silicon valley and is not a job hopper.
that's why I believe it's better to focus on your output instead
Google has offices in London and Switzerland.
Also, they're annoying as fuck trying to recruit me.
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@chmod711telkitty What's autism got to do with it?
a great product can be built by anyone
02:22
So yeah, good conclusions.
@R.MartinhoFernandes They've tried to recruit you?
@R.MartinhoFernandes they tried to interview you, it's different from trying to recruit you
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup! It's MEH, but I already got long enough dwelled for it at MSO, not to just puke over my keyboard.
if you make knowledge and being smart your goal, you'll only end up seeing others better than you all the time
and usually they have an advantage you can't surpass
I would like one order of your skills, please.
02:23
they wouldn't hire job hoppers
@chmod711telkitty I don't even.
@Nooble yes, I believe his main advantage is age and experience
you should probably wait to get that
you don't get it, do you. it's not about talent, it's what fits the roles
as I said
2 mins ago, by Alex M.
that's why I believe it's better to focus on your output instead
@chmod711telkitty vOv
02:23
make your work matter
@AlexM. But waiting is hard work.
knowledge and experience comes naturally with time
telkitty works at Google HR.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You should throw an exception at them.
They won't be able to catch it :D
Those 2 days before getting my Pi were painstaking.
02:24
I would think autistic people would have difficulty in the workplace.
@chmod711telkitty Autism? I really doubt it. If so, he certainly covers it up incredibly well. He's actually quite sociable.
@Nooble She's a psychiatrist.
@JerryCoffin There you go :)
I know someone who had first class honours in computer science from a top university (the same one I attended), plenty of experience from good companies, invited to apply to google, flew over to the U.S. for the interview, then rejected because his job hopping
02:25
Impressive.
Tell us more nondescript anecdotes.
@Nooble This room is so nice.
@Nooble Thanks.
oh wow telkitty giving career advice
@StackedCrooked I know.
again
02:27
@StackedCrooked Psychiatrist. Psychiatric patient. Something like that, anyway.
@R.MartinhoFernandes how about you apply to google and see how far you could go?
How about I don't? I've rejected their opportunities about half a dozen times. Why would I apply?
@R.MartinhoFernandes oops
@chmod711telkitty That would be fraudulent if he didn't intend to take a job with them (and he doesn't seem interested).
@R.MartinhoFernandes They keep asking after you declined?
02:31
@StackedCrooked He's that good.
@R.MartinhoFernandes did they offer you the role or just wanting you to apply for the role
@StackedCrooked Sometimes from different offices, sometimes to check if things changed after, dunno, a year or whatever.
@R.MartinhoFernandes They asked me last year to give them a list of people who I thought were competent programmers. Fuck me.
That was you?
02:32
@Mysticial Did you mention Vlad?
Realization
@chmod711telkitty Do I care?
you just scarred Robot for life Mysticial, good show
I might not have been the one who got you into the system. But it could've been. I don't know for sure.
Did you mention me? You did right? I mean you know, just in case they need a guy?
02:33
Oh, yes, Ireland as well.
Latest e-mail I can find is from March.
@AlexM. I could give you advice on how to have a failed career, after all I had 9 professional jobs before
But it mentions a previous contact.
@Mysticial aw shit
the font is much smaller
too lazy to bust out the user scripts
Ah wait, October 2013.
the font looks ugly when I zoom in
and I have to zoom in
02:35
but I have also sorted my finance quite well, if my current project is successful then I would never have to work again (although I might still do)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fuck, then it really might've been me.
Sorry.
@AlexM. You'd think they care about readability.
02:35
@chmod711telkitty don't teach anyone that stuff
I don't even know your real name. All I gave them was your SO account and a twitter handle.
I guess they do stalk people.
It's Martinho Fernandes
My SO handle is my real name (well, but the "R.")
@Mysticial The Github technique works quite well.
It's like his username bub
02:36
What's the R.?
Ronaldo?
:)
Roman?
Ronaldinho
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's the part I didn't know. :)
Ronaldinho Martinho Fernandes
02:36
mystery solved
Ramon?
lol..
R. Daneel Olivaw is a fictional robot created by Isaac Asimov. The "R" initial in his name stands for "Robot," a naming convention in Asimov's future society. Olivaw appears in Asimov's Robot and Foundation series, most notably in the novels The Caves of Steel, The Naked Sun, The Robots of Dawn, Robots and Empire, Prelude to Foundation, Forward the Foundation, Foundation and Earth as well as the short story "Mirror Image". He was constructed immediately prior to the age of the Settlers, and lived at least until the formation of Galaxia, thus spanning the entire history of the First Empire, the...
It's a reference to this.
oh...
Robots again.
02:37
not football
@Mysticial Even though I'm not interested (if nothing else, relocation right now is a deal breaker for me), it's the kind of thing that is nice to be annoyed with.
don't know anything about that
I don't read
Didn't you watch I, Robot?
Oh, wait.
lol
if it's not kawaii I probably didn't watch it :(
@AlexM. lol I am not talking about my apps, more about mine ... and to some extend family real estate investment.
tbh telkitty
to me you look like you're in some financial limbo
I made some money on the stock market too
not dead yet, but without a proper source of money either
02:39
@R.MartinhoFernandes The movie didn't really imply that it was based off the book.
Regardless, the movie sucked on its own.
I definitely don't recommend anyone to follow in your footsteps
Is that Will Smith peeing on Asimov's grave?
@Rapptz Er, it kinda does. It takes all kinds of characters names from it. Plus the laws that it promptly decides to ignore.
> I am not talking about my apps, more about mine ... and to some extend family real estate investment. I made some money on the stock market too
@AlexM. that's why I will have 2 rental properties and get $1000 a week soon, isn't it?
02:40
@StackedCrooked Yes.
I'd recommend an actual job over these any day
@R.MartinhoFernandes They mention it was "inspired" which I take to mean differently than "based off of"
telkitty, what do you do for a living?
you know the thing where you input work and output money
What SF movies did you guys like?
I liked Contact a lot.
02:41
@StackedCrooked SF?
But I can't think of many others.
Science Fiction.
actually don't answer that
Context.
I'll go to sleep it's 5 in the morning already
02:41
@Nooble SourceForge
@MarkGarcia Haha.
@Rapptz I don't care. I hate how they made Susan Calvin. And all the fucking advertisement.
I haven't watched too many movies lately.
@AlexM. Night.
The movie is bad even if you disregard the strange adaptation.
@AlexM. Sleep well.
02:42
iunno I didn't like I, Robot at all
@StackedCrooked I liked A.I
If we're talking about old-ish movies.
I saw that one many years ago.
It had some good parts.
@AlexM. 1st you use money to get more money (investment), 2nd I work on my apps and owner building a 2nd house on my 650 square metre land that't taking 10 hours a day time
yes I am weird
How about that movie where some guy becomes a robot.
And lives like 200 years.
@Rapptz I didn't like the Spielberg half.
Bicentennial man or something.
02:44
@Rapptz The thing I haven't settled with that movie is its ending. It's just too... different.
@AlexM. but I would not want to work my whole life just to rent a place and put food on the table
@MarkGarcia Which one?
I think he means the aliens thing
@R.MartinhoFernandes The aliens part.
@AlexM. I would much have things make money for me so I can work on whatever I want to work on (apps in the past few years)
02:45
I didn't like that part either
It was good otherwise
@MarkGarcia That move ends like, seven times.
@Rapptz There was some kind of cage-fighting scene between robots. The crowd cheered at the smashing of the robots. But they protested when it was kid's turn. I liked that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah yeah, I also get that feeling.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably an effect from the development hell the movie underwent.
@AlexM. you get a paid to be told what to do because you don't have the money
I have been there done that before
02:47
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't actually know what that means :(
What half?
The Spielberg one.
:)
@StackedCrooked Real Steel?
@Nooble No, it was from the AI movie.
@Nooble In AI, they didn't make the robots fight.
He was 1 y/o when the movie came out lol
02:50
@Rapptz The second one. It feels like a completely different movie after David gets separated from his mom. The first half feels a lot more like Kubrick.
> But in fact it was Stanley who did the sweetest parts of A.I., not me. I'm the guy who did the dark center of the movie, with the Flesh Fair and everything else.
Kubrick did the lame alien part too?
@Mysticial Some people are ..strange.
I liked the part with the robot hookers tbh.
02:52
Spielberg said the first 40 minutes are word for word from Kubrick's screenplay.
I thought it was cool in its own way.
I need a fake dog name for this project I'm working on.
Does anyone have a good dog name?
I remember @LightnessRacesinOrbit old profile picture...
@edition You mean the one with the girl?
yeah... but I'm too young for @LightnessRacesinOrbit.
02:53
@Nooble Daisy?
@Rapptz They were never meant to be aliens, btw. Somehow they seriously fucked up the characterisation.
They're meant to be highly advanced future robots.
@JerryCoffin Perfect!
@Nooble Someone doesn't get it!
Or you do and... well it's still a good name.
02:55
Robots would have been cooler.
@StackedCrooked That link goes to this which is apparently LRIO.
The aliens thing was way too weird tbh.
@MarkGarcia Nope don't get it.
What is it, I must know.
@Nooble Dog.
02:57
It's self-documenting.
@MarkGarcia Ahh.
I'm doing a German project assigned over 2 weeks ago.
Due tomorrow.
Not going to sleep until it's done.
Until. It's. Done.
@StackedCrooked They loaded so many people on the elevator my fiance was pushed solidly against me. Heavenly!
Alternative reality?
@JerryCoffin It's the city of love of course!
03:07
Anyway, regardless of how they put it, it just feels like a stupid cash grab. There's almost nothing inspired from Asimov's stories in it. His stories have next to zero violence. Robots are intelligent beings (almost) inescapably bound by The Laws and don't start stupid murderous uprisings to "protect" humans.
Asimov explored the same idea that underlies the motivation of V.I.K.I. in the movie, but he managed to do it in a way that matches his robot's intelligence and inescapable bound to The Laws.
Not really defending it -- I didn't really enjoy it.
I don't like apocalyptic movies in general.
Robotic uprising is usually the most boring one too.
There was an anime movie about robots programmed to obey Asimov's laws. Forgot the title, but it was actually quite good.
Ah, it was Time of Eve.
@Rapptz I like dystopian movies, which aren't necessarily apocalyptic (though some are post-apocalyptic).
post-apocalyptic is okay
I'm not much of a fan of 1984 and Brave New World.
but at the same time I like them on their own
and find it weird that people compare them when their premises are different
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou is also great. (But perhaps not really fitting in this context.)
03:17
also most recent pictures of my current construction project :p
Also not context-y, I just watched Non-Stop and I just want it to stop at the middle. I mean, it's too much streak of the bad guys winning.
there are so much to learn in every trade
I am glad I have been given the chance to try quite a few >_<
yes, I know I am a weirdo, because most people probably want to be relaxing in a conditioned room instead of working on a construction site
lol, Liam Neeson really got typecast as a badass one-man army.
but it certain gives me some kind of satisfaction to build a new house
With that said I did hire a few tradesmen to do a few thing and will hire a few more. But I have so far done more than half of the work up to this point
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. And family and stuff. But I still like most of them, even if I have my preconceptions.
03:29
Is function composition associative for higher-order functions?
@user1667423 I don't know, ask a proficient programmer.
(not me)
03:44
Try find a counter example.
04:04
What does ark in ark.intel.com mean?
> Q: What does the acronym ARK stand for?

A: Automated Relational Knowledgebase. ARK provides automated access to the relational database that drives Intel’s Corporate Product Catalog; delivering on-demand product characteristics, features, relationships and product comparisons.
I'm sure it's really a frequent question.
04:33
I am reading data from a file, where I am expecting a sequence of data (Array of data).
05:02
Hi all.
Jan 9 at 13:59, by Cat Plus Plus
Read the rules.
Read that newb.
@MarkGarcia Sorry, I don't know how to read.
@MarkGarcia For the sake of a poor, handicapped person can you send somebody to show me the rules in sign language?
05:08
@MarkGarcia Nothing beats the idea of an old newb, nothing ... I remember the days when I first came here >_<
youtube is giving me 500 errors
@JerryCoffin You need to have faith first, then you'll speak languages and show signs!
500 Internal Server Error

Sorry, something went wrong.

A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation.
If you see them, show them this information:

AB38WEN7UNSloAclmX48ZP8kVgRwzYcSv78iWp_fiIcJUFgTv5IOlm5NuEa-
RpOOt88s9c5STDZdH1CCEf01J8jB1rhyA-0zaL1aEwvPX2fp9BvrloyAO-KC
dewwDjcIYtVLqulS6II047t3UMvVkV2Dc-2bkJDGIY1yot_Rb6ltfquq4kn4
ksFDESLnvUwHHGz8omDL6EDUpVU-CNVEC2FrngJfhveLKIRd7NGpZRZUFzTJ
9vRq7HkM1XScFKvoqmYAFV5XviFl8Y_XqiR_1xRt5jd3qHN_fdfGaBq9-WRh
3KCDgESNxybrgcoDnOD8K6EdLbHGphYouYFL2RKpUIPMZtsYYYdeQcqhMNsV
@Mikhail That's a nice, round number. Mine mostly just gives around 493.
@JerryCoffin how do you know the pie guy is sociable, did you get meet all his friends or he is just being friendly with you - another geek elite software developer?
05:12
I wonder if its a gcc dump I can unscramble. Doesn't Mysticial work for those loosers?
@Mikhail Clearly that's their SSL private key. Quite normal.
I didn't know __gK09RCZWNADaneQuNZ8cR was a gcc intrinsic
@chmod711telkitty I met with his 271 closest friends.
05:31
I cleaned my desk.
Now I have a ton of junk that was on my desk strewn all over my bed.
Now brush the junk off your sheet.
Back onto the desk?
It's not trash. It's just stuff that I dunno where to put.
Hm. Should I name a database column for country code something like iso_3166_alpha_2 or just code? It should contain ISO country codes, and having an explicitly named column might help, though too explicit.
Well iso_code would also be good.
05:50
What's the table? Countries?
iso_code sounds good.
All of a sudden I want to move to my own place.
I decided to go with iso_code_2 and iso_code_3 (just learned there are two).
ISO 3166-1 is part of the ISO 3166 standard published by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO), and defines codes for the names of countries, dependent territories, and special areas of geographical interest. The official name of the standard is Codes for the representation of names of countries and their subdivisions – Part 1: Country codes. It defines three sets of country codes: ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 – two-letter country codes which are the most widely used of the three, and used most prominently for the Internet's country code top-level domains (with a few exceptions). ISO 3166...
Thematic:
Morning, dudes.
@MarkGarcia Interesting. Also, this is interesting: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUTS_of_the_Czech_Republic#NUTS_codes
06:02
@VáclavZeman dat CZ01 holed up inside 02.
@MarkGarcia Heh. Prague as a capital city has its own status, sort of like Washington DC, USA.
Hey guys , anyone familiar with parallel programming here? I have a simple scenario i'm having trouble with
Need some quick theory crafting
@SyntacticFructose Shoot!
Are C++ iterator read safe? If say I pass an Iterator 'Last' into an asynchronous function where there many be many calls to access the value of Last at once
is this going to give me a race condition?
I think so
06:09
gah
I'm getting some wonky results and am guessing this is the culprit
only problem is how do i work around this? I mean I want to check if the current chunks iterator is equal to last
but I don't want to give myself a race condition
can you put a unique_lock on data acess?
like in intel TBB
I was really hoping to avoid using a mutex here... though i do see what you're saying
I guess in my mind I thought all types had atomic read operations and boy was I wrong
so basically they are read safe, but I don't think you are doing read-only
The most I'm doing is comparison inside an if statement for the return value, such as
if(iter == last)
return iter2 == last2;
where last and last2 are the iter's passed into the asynchronous function and iter iter2 are the iterators for the chunk being executed at hand
it's baflling me, I thought this was safe, no?
can the value you're reading change while its being read?
you can always try wrapping with a mutex to see if concurrent access is your problem
06:17
@pris true good point
ok this is weird
the asynchronous function is a lambda, I was passing in the two iters as [&last, &last2]
or instead of a mutex use a const?
changing it to [last, last2] and running the test right now I'm not getting any skewed results yet
could it really have been passing ref?
25+ loops of the test no failed results
that's peculiar, seems to have fixed it
don't understand my life right now, but it works who caaaaares time to commit
@SyntacticFructose I'm about to ship some code with random memory corruption. So w/e
Mietschuldenfreiheitsbescheinigung
I know this word!
i don't...

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