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01:00
@AlexM. I have thought about it several times, but I am a college student, and I don't want to get involved in the complexities (tax and stuff) that's associated with it.
I was asked about the kind of projects I've done
and how I talked to clients
if I ever found something I did not like about it
etc. etc.
@DemCodeLines what taxes
oh
well nobody will check on you
Don't you have to pay taxes with whatever you earn in FreeLancing?
I was using odesk when I was in 10th grade
nobody checked on me
but I'm in Romania
01:02
@AlexM. How much money were you making?
so I can see why LOL
nobody gives a shit if you break US laws in Romania, especially on odesk (and you're not a superstar making tons of thousands)
@Nooble directly proportionate to my needs I think
I can't remember that well, but I know at one time I broke my CPU and I needed a replacement
This one's even better
I was able to get an i5 2400 close to release and a motherboard for it in less than a month
so it was probably ok
I'm in U.S., not sure I want to take a risk on tax.
yes, I wouldn't want to take a risk either
01:04
@AlexM. That sounds freakin' amazing. For sophomore year, too.
they probably know about your discussion with me already
Where do you buy shares in data structures? (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) The Stack Exchange (😏 @StackExchange)
inb4 you go to odesk and it says "Sorry, your email address has been filtered by the NSA"
@DemCodeLines Code for food, I'm pretty sure you'll not have to pay tax for doing so (even in U.S.)
@πάνταῥεῖ So he is selling @ThePhD to do web programming?
01:05
@Nooble the trick is to market yourself well and find a certain type of clients
Good morning.
the ones that have money to spend and don't know how simple the job really is
@MarkGarcia That's funny, nah?
@πάνταῥεῖ @ThePhD is a user here. So yes it's funny
@πάνταῥεῖ Until you see cowboy_cast in his server-side code.
01:07
@MarkGarcia Not as funny as Vlad :) ...
@AlexM. What were some of the tasks you did?
all kinds of shit, mostly tools to help this guy with his SEO business
so stuff that parsed web pages to get info
I also did a small game for a guy who wanted to test his prototype
he bought me the X360 controller I use to this day
just for the job lol
he mentioned something about me playing the game the way he plays it
BTW as I'm on it, why not rename Vlad to Igor :-D
sigh Been working on a laptop for a while now and I don't know how to properly do Home and End in a normal keyboard.
I keep hitting Windows Key + Left/Right. :(
@MarkGarcia I had a semester long project for which we had to code stuff on mac (because it was for iPad). By the end, I was mixing up windows/cmd key or wtv it is all the time since theyre inverted.
took me a few weeks after that to readjust
01:14
anyone here from NZ?
Igor, or sometimes Ygor, is a stock character assistant to many types of Gothic villains, such as Count Dracula or Dr. Victor Frankenstein, familiar from many horror movies and horror movie parodies. Although Dr. Frankenstein had a hunchback assistant in the 1931 film Frankenstein, his name was Fritz. == Origins == Dwight Frye's hunch-backed lab assistant in the first film of the Frankenstein series (1931) is the main source for the "Igor" of public imagination, though this character was actually named "Fritz". The sequels Son of Frankenstein (1939) and The Ghost of Frankenstein (1942) featured...
@πάνταῥεῖ Igoretity
@edition My brother lives quite near to you (Sidney), but me nah!
@Borgleader Switching between Mac and Windows, I feel ya
@Borgleader inb4 Vladity?
@DemCodeLines make money first and worry about that later? :D
I mean what kind of tax do you have to pay if you're not making any money
and what kind of tax can you impose on a guy sending you $X for a project
(I know this is H2CO3 and not vlad but still)
@Borgleader Got it anyway :) ...
01:18
I've finally saved up $250 for something I no longer remember.
@AlexM. That's not it. Usually it's you who has to pay tax on your income.
yeah but your income is 0 if you don't earn anything
> sending you $X for a project
and if he earns, say, a one shot $1k he can pay part of that
so it's not like he has to pay taxes while not earning anything
Don't you have to earn a certain amount for it to be declared a taxable income?
01:20
@Nooble You were going to send it to me for being so awesome.
@Nooble monitor
@Nooble The Majora's Mask 3DS XL that is already sold out
@AlexM. Oh yeeeaaaahhhhh.
you're welcome
@Borgleader Don't they have a New 3DS XL
01:22
@Borgleader Does the dedupe guy hang around here occasionally?
@AlexM. You're supposed to report that extra income. If you don't, then that's considered under the table and you could be audited. (This is in the US -- but I feel like it's generic enough)
I need to sleep you gave me that link damnit
@Rapptz ooooh dubious business
@πάνταῥεῖ dedupe?
I like that
@πάνταῥεῖ deduplicator? I don't remember seeing him here.
01:24
@DemCodeLines can do it to learn what programming in da hood really is like
@JerryCoffin Didn't you... Save my life from being attacked by a wild chupacabra?
@JerryCoffin That guy I meant, exactly.
@Nooble Among other things, yes.
@DemCodeLines after making an empire out of programming on odesk under the table sosickwithit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/…
not programming under the table
it's just the income that
anyway you get it
@AlexM. I usually program above the table.
01:29
@AlexM. I get it? Cool. So send it to me (right now!)
@JerryCoffin Sure! I'll send you the money quickly and no questions asked! That'll be your credit card number, the 3 digit security code, full name and address, and if applicable your social security number.
@Nooble Liar! You said "no questions asked", but then turned around and asked for half a dozen things.
@Nooble dude we need his car too
@JerryCoffin Those aren't questions, those are just... things your obligated to answer if you want the quick and 100% free no questions asked money!
01:33
I should go to sleep
but I'm too excited for tomorrow
@AlexM. We'll just buy one with his bank account. Sshhh.
I mean, I look at companies like Amazon, Microsoft, Google, IBM, Apple, Oracle etc. and find software engineer positions, but they all require either past working experience or demonstrated experience with who-knows-how-many technologies.
woah wtf
layout change?
wut?
oh wow
01:36
@DemCodeLines if you want a big company you should also focus on being able on jumping into someone else's code and working with it asap
you will take it easier at first but sooner or later, the learning will really be you working on a real task with code you've never seen before and failing constantly
Stack Overflow just became officially uglier.
@thecoshman what is this?
To avoid the nonsense results, enter a word here then ping me it in the lounge. *
@Mysticial Looks like it. In usual SO style, you were given plenty of warning that it would happen, a chance to participate in testing, and a chance to provide feedback before it went into production. You were, weren't you?
do you know no form validation methods?
Initial reactions to UI changes are usually negative.
01:38
this is embarrasing ... for the loungers
@chmod711telkitty its probably to identify the results as actual loungers
I see something changed
but it's not that ugly
it looks ok
a form wont verify that you are a regular here
I'm on mobile, can't see anything yet.
@StackedCrooked My initial reaction to you and I is usually negative.
:P
01:38
the new layout looks virtually identical to the old one
still no dark colors :(
the fonts seem more comic sans-ish
I don't really like it either.
@Pris In fact, noticeably lighter than the old layout.
@JerryCoffin yeah... i dislike the thinner fonts trend
it makes everything seem brighter and (at least for me) harder to read
@DemCodeLines consider startups and tiny companies
they're more ok with hiring less experienced personnel for cheap
(IME)
01:41
Welp, time for complaints to meta.
@AlexM. Depends. Bigger companies tend toward the "middle", so they're happy with somebody who has (say) 5 years experience. Smaller companies tend more toward extremes, so some are fine with somebody who nearly no experience--but others want somebody with 20+ years experience.
I do have an internship with a small company. Working on and expanding their product.
@JerryCoffin yeah, that's why I added the IME, I was sure I could be countered with a small company employing really good guys
actually I've built this reflex where I make a full stop after every time I generalize something and then I decide whether or not I add "some", "IME", "imo" or an equivalent lol
But when I applied for summer internships (I'm in college) to companies like Quora, Box, DropBox etc., everyone rejected me. They all replied with an email saying, "Thanks for the interest, but we don't have any position for you at this time" :(
One company I worked for preferred to hire people who just graduated because they are "moldable".
01:43
@DemCodeLines then stick with them until you gain experience?
@JerryCoffin I have 20 years experience. Spent the first 6 being non-existent.
@AlexM. Yeah--one company I used to work for really looked for guys who'd just retired, but still wanted to do a little work.
malleable is probably the word
@DemCodeLines why are you aiming at those big guys
@StackedCrooked The Google model.
01:44
you know you can work there 10 years from now too right?
I'd stay at the current internship and then a year or so more
then move
@DemCodeLines Who'd hire a dog wearing sunglasses? :P
@AlexM. Working there as an intern over the summer might possibly guarantee a job after I graduate.
you can get a job at the place where you're having an internship now
is Google the only company in the US or what, wtf
(translation: are the top dogs the only companies in the US)
Mostly US.
Yes, but it's no where close to being recognizable or having a legit product (and users of it) compared to companies like quora and dropbox
01:46
there are tons of small software companies in my city alone, in Romania
and students go there
work for a few years
then move to others like Microsoft
@AlexM. Usually the "dream" job.
yeah I kinda see that in demcodelines
I'll complete a year in about 3 months.
@AlexM. Yes, but even one tiny company usually masses at least several tons.
01:47
Coffined!
Ehh, I am not really about dream job thing. I just want a good job that is satisfying and pays well, so I can help my parents take all the loans out.
78453 kilogram of companies
@DemCodeLines you kinda are
@MarkGarcia This is a thing now? I need to start saying this more.
Jul 16 '13 at 3:57, by Borgleader
Coffined!
01:48
@AlexM. I couldn't care less about whether I work at a company as large as Microsoft or a company as small as DropBox.
> small as Dropbox
@Nooble compared to MS...
you can't even spell their name properly
let alone work at them
anyway, with that out of the way, dropbox is pretty big
how else do you spell dropbox or microsoft?
here, let me search for a small software company based in the US for you
01:50
Anyways, I'd be more than content with creating games from home and selling them to Microsoft for $2 billion each.
@DemCodeLines Dropbox™ and Microsoft™.
fine, lower-case "b". Ok.
Don't forget the ™
@Nooble The TM is overkill and makes you seem try-hard.
:D
But companies in Silicon Valley are also trying to get the best talent out there, regardless of their size.
@StackedCrooked Try Harder™
Hehe.
It's alt+0153 numpad if you're on windows.
01:51
They're basically looking for talent that companies like Google are looking for and they reject everyone who doesn't satisfy that condition.
@Nooble I'm pretty sure Microsoft is a registered trademark so it should get a ® instead.
@Nooble If you're in the 90s then Microsoft ® .
@JerryCoffin Thanks. :)
@MarkGarcia Surely.
most likely not in your area of expertise
01:52
·You mean M$
but have you ever considered working for something like this?
I think I got it...
@DemCodeLines dat dot
@AlexM. How the heck did you know I'm in Mass?
Microsoft®
Hell yeah!
01:53
@MarkGarcia Have no clue where that came from.
yesterday, by Alex M.
I will find out where he lives now
don't underestimate me m8
@MarkGarcia I thought it was a little speck on my monitor.
@DemCodeLines Some people say that with their pimples, but those all come from their faces!
I'm reminded of something I said a while ago:
Jun 30 '12 at 19:21, by StackedCrooked
Scumbag noob: Can't formulate a proper question, refers to Microsoft as M$.
@AlexM. That's from a different conversation!
01:54
I'm just kidding
I had no idea you were from MA
but now I do know
so thanks for telling me
+1 Nooble Point™ for accidental social engineering.
(No it's not registered)
anyway, you should really consider working for a company that has a lesser known product than dropbox lol
@Nooble lol
it's not that bad
it's probably better, in fact
at the tiny company I worked everyone was like OMG WE'RE FRIENDS LET'S BE NICE AND HAVE FUN
not the place for me
And if you're really ambitious, make the next Dropbox.
01:56
@AlexM. Yeah I know, I came across in a wrong way. It's not like I don't want to work in a company that's not named "Dropbox" or "Microsoft".
@AlexM. s/really consider working for a company that has a lesser known product/do webdev/
@Nooble Too many cloud storage companies
@AlexM. Eeuw, nice people!
@DemCodeLines By that I mean next big idea thingy.
@StackedCrooked ikr
I like it where I'm now
everyone's neutral towards me
01:56
@DemCodeLines Yeah. Don't want a storm to form. Or have those clouds from the Matrix.
I'm neutral towards them
@Nooble The next big thing will likely be an improvement of something else.
@StackedCrooked Ugh nice people being all nice! Why are they so nice?
@JerryCoffin lol nope
@DemCodeLines Apple® would like a word with you.
01:57
to hire him?
@Nooble What was the last legit invention from Apple?
@AlexM. ayy lmao
@DemCodeLines Firewire?
I meant software.
@AlexM. Ah, stable neutrality. How nice ..I mean, neutral.
Invention, lol, that invention - 30 years on, we are still trying to sort information, millions of people spending many years solving the same problem. Talents, what talents?
01:59
@DemCodeLines What do you expect? Most everything is Unix-based.
trying to come up with something never before seen is too much effort anyway

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