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20:00
@rightføld ok
@πάνταῥεῖ That doesn't make my question "a bit of [sic] useless". Ironically, visit the lounge! It appears I was prescient about this comment thread. — sehe just now
but you still suck
user1804599
Hey that story was set in 2014.
> I know, I know, MOST of you have seen the Fallout 3 trailer right? Or is actually playing it right now? (and loving it)
So what do you think is the more superior quote?
MGS4's "War has Changed?" or Fallout's "War Never Changes?"
omg n00b l2fallout
user1804599
I bought the game in 2009. Time flies.
user1804599
20:01
I'm playing MGS3 now.
time to get that steak done
user1804599
It's a great video game.
@sehe Are you asking for our approval or support, or why do you post this here? :P
I'm informing you
@sehe World-breaking news! Some guy get's corrected on the internet!
20:02
I invite someone here - seems polite to let you guys know. Also, it's interesting because I noticed his mood before he made this comment to me (assuming you saw he addressed me in the same ... constructive mode later)
s'okay sehe
we'll treat your guest with respect
and steak, if he decides to stay for longer
oh and wine
I have this unopened bottle of gros manseng from france
actually I'll open it now
@AlexM. (If puppy has fleas, kick him out of here)
curious
@sehe Well, the code seems so much screwed up. I don't see where to put the 1st bolt on being constructive :-P ... May be your comment question is one, but I'm afraid it's a bigger problem of misconception(s).
@sehe Didn't notice your 1st ping, since I wasn't joined in here (I'm rarely you know)
Do NVIDIA cards support OpenGL ES?
20:06
@Nooble Ask rand
@πάνταῥεῖ You were technically joined, or you wouldn't have been in the user list. Perhaps some runaway browser at work (?)
@sehe Chrome actually ...
I meant browser instance.
@sehe One (I hope so), with a number of tabs open. May be I forgot to leave the lounge last time before closing the tab.
@πάνταῥεῖ Oh, no question. It's all dodgy and iffy. Concurring. It's just that if you want to make a point, at least make it properly so it is helpful. (E.g. what was the point of I'm afraid that won't really work to read that stuff from a binary file? I'm still puzzled about that one)
20:09
@πάνταῥεῖ Welcome, I'm the supreme overlord of this chatroom.
@πάνταῥεῖ That explains :)
@Nooble Well, nice to know. Never saw you on any c++ related question from the queue. Did I miss something?
@GuruAdrian hasn't been here in quite a while. I shall assume death by lounge.
@πάνταῥεῖ Uh... yeah! I... make my minions do the answering!
@Nooble Stop trolling. Go home ...
20:16
@πάνταῥεῖ I am home.
@πάνταῥεῖ stackoverflow.com/…
@Nooble Then go to your troll hole instead please!
@sehe Ssshhh don't reveal my true identity! I'll appear weak and measly!
@πάνταῥεῖ ... your mood. It's not working right
@πάνταῥεῖ How does one get this "troll hole" you speak of?
20:17
@Nooble opengl 4 has an extension to support opengles 2 function
Hah. Howard just did a self answer here
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A: What is the best way to form custom std::chrono::durations?

Howard HinnantBelow I'm ignoring namespaces in the interest of being concise. duration is in namespace std::chrono, and ratio is in namespace std. There are two good ways to always ensure that your ratio is reduced to lowest terms without having to do the arithmetic yourself. The first is quite direct: The...

You all notice this, right
A bunch of opengles 2 chip vendors will also give you layers that will let you use opengles 2 function calls but they are actually implemented through gl 2.1
@sehe What do you think is wrong about my mood? Well, sometimes I'm just a grumpy old man with hangover. But I'm trying to improve constantly :-P ...
@Pris Ahh okay.
@sehe Dietmar did a self answer last night.
20:21
@πάνταῥεῖ Well I asked you over because I noticed you were being dismissive not being constructive in comments.
I think I explained a bit before, but you never responded. So, I'll wait
@Borgleader Winter Hats is over. Must be the economy then :)
@πάνταῥεῖ You've tried to insult a koala. A friendly koala.
Would it be ok to rephrase the question title to be about std::ratio instead? It seems like the overarching topic has very little to do with chrono except for the chosen example? — sehe 5 secs ago
@sehe Well, I've been explaining on the answer, and on your question here also. What else would you like to know? I'm open to answer. I've got some difficulties to understand your strategies on the site (but what wonder comparing our rep, you're far more experienced).
@πάνταῥεῖ In particular you never responded to this. If you prefer I can give you the short, one-sided of it :/
@Nooble Not any form of insult. Just critics ...
20:28
oh man this wine is wonderful
thank god it's a lot more expensive than beer, otherwise I'd give up beer entirely
@AlexM. Apparently the reason you have to buy the MPEG-2 license for the RPi is because they have to pay MPEGLA for licensing.
I see
Also, on that topic, putting an HDMI port on a product costs $10K per year plus $0.15 per product sold.
Hi there
Hello
20:31
@sehe Well, all I was trying to say there, was I have my doubts, that answer will fix the follow up problems I've been foreseeing coming up.
Fellow green thing.
Like the monster I'm just eating to get my sugar rush (chestnut cream... That stuff is killer)
Ell
Ell
@Nooble that's why display port is master race
Exactly!
If I dump a Rasberry Pi in mineral oil, would I be able to overclock it to say... 1GHz
I believe that you can anticipate my response
20:39
Okay then :C
the garlic sauce I made is amazing
if everything ends up like this
it'll be a great steak
@Nooble lol that sucks
@πάνταῥεῖ Next time, could you include a specific hint, or not comment? I know being constructive takes time and energy. However, it's too easy to create confusion, and if you're sitting on the hint that seems doubly unfair. If the answer is absolute rubbish, downvote. Do the needful. But also avoid just dumping on things in the "grumpy" way.
also I kinda got myself drunk before the steak was done lol
but it's ok it was aperitif wine anyway
So, let me get this. You finished the wine /and/ the garlic sauce before the steak is done? Must be a really well done steak
@Mysticial Do you know a portable intrinsic for mulq/divq? Or perhaps a simple but robust third-party header library that defines intrinsics for these kind of things?
20:46
nah the steak is not in the pan yet
waiting for the pan to get heated
@orlp The single operand multiply/divide?
it takes a while to wait for an electric top to heat up
@Mysticial the 64x64->128 bit and 128/64 -> 64 bit
The divide is not accessible at all without inline assembly on all major compilers.
The multiply is, but you need to #ifdef it for each compiler.
Unless you're using MULX, then there's a standard intrinsic for it.
basically what I do now is
#if defined(__GNUC__) && defined(__x86_64__)
    uint64_t q, r;
    asm("mulq %3;"
        "divq %4;"
        : "=a"(q), "=d"(r)
        : "a"(a), "rm"(b), "rm"(m));
    return r;
#endif
20:49
I can't find a single USB to Micro-USB cable. I have every connector except a Micro-USB one. I have normal USB to USB, USB to Mini-USB and even USB to USB Type B
Oh look! Pradeep V2.0:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27879050/detecting-most-frequently-recurring-symbol-from-ascii-characters-on-c
I was wondering if you know a simple header library that already has done this for many platforms / instructions?
@orlp Nope
=/
Nobody cares about bignums.
20:49
@MartinJames you mean
prashallow
@Mysticial Even when I'm not doing bignums, I run into 64x64 mults where I want the top 64 bits
I can't find a single USB to Micro-USB cable. I have every connector except a Micro-USB one. I have normal USB to USB, USB to Mini-USB and even USB to USB Type B
@MartinJames mebbe it's second semester. Influx of eternal septemberers
@Mysticial in particular, this is for 64-bit pollard-rho factorization
@Nooble if you lived close to me I'd have given you one
20:50
@Mysticial where I want mulmod64(a, b, m)
wait nvm it's a hdmi->mini hdmi cable
Ell
Ell
@Nooble I recommend these amazon.co.uk/gp/product/…
I don't have the usb thing
@AlexM. lol - it has all the hallmarks. 'The function to be optimized to run on a device with a dual-core ARM-based processors and infinite amount of memory' and shite 'C' code that seems to have Java stuffed in it.
https://github.com/Mysticial/ProtoNTT/blob/master/source/Internals/ArchIntrinsics.h
^^ My `mulH` and `mulF` intrinsics are probably what you'll want. But I have a separate implementation for Visual Studio vs. GCC.
20:52
@MartinJames That's good Java code, then, by the averages
@sehe lol
@Ell That looks nice. I might just buy it right now.
would love to get some help on recursion stackoverflow.com/questions/27881061/…
@orlp Is the modulus constant?
@Mysticial Nope, that'd be a lot easier.
20:53
oh
@sehe OK, I think see what you mean. I'm not that grumpy all the way along (and I wasn't at that question in particular). Did you mean I'm going to discourage a young hopper (@0x499602D2), I'm aware of their status, but expect they should see the more non obvious problems and try to answer these instead. That's the reason why I'm often more down/close voting an just leave (may be sometimes gnarly) comments, than answering a question completely beyond the primary problem statements.
It's not about status :) God no. Not that :/
@πάνταῥεῖ I noticed this a few other times, and sometimes in cases where I suspect you simply didn't know that a solution exists (please don't make me search for them - it's not that important to me :S).
@MartinJames Who's Pradeep?
Someone else who writes questions just like her
@πάνταῥεῖ In this particular case, no contest of course. Maybe just don't comment if you think it's a lost cause. Or maybe just comment "don't forget about localization - charsets, encodings, collations, case folding - the whole shebang". And then be content whatever happens.
@Nooble A moron who posed some shite. That Sarah786 asked shit 8 hours ago. 3 hrs ago, it deleted its shit question and then asked it again.
20:58
@Mysticial on average my current code factors a 64 bit number in 0.12 milliseconds @ 4ghz single core
That sounds pretty slow. However, the question is of course: what's the input distribution
@orlp I honestly have no idea how fast that is.
@sehe Well, THX for the advice! I'll take more responsibility in future, and try to improve. No need to search more like these kind of comments, I well know not all of them are really good and helpful.
But it sounds fast.
@sehe uniform over [0, 2**64)
so the average value is around 2**63
21:00
@πάνταῥεῖ Here's a hint from my own experience: as soon as you lower the active answering rate, you'll start to percieve the site slightly differently. You'll lose interest trying to salvage things get more impatient with low-quality or repeat topics. This makes sense. I've found that this change in role requires active mental adjustment; I have to allow others a fair shot at being my own previous enthusiastic self.
@orlp in that case, it might be pretty fast. Perhaps it's something you can SIMD ...
@orlp Does the modulus need to be a full 64 bits? If you can fit it under 50 bits, floating-point division is a lot faster.
Early judging of a post is "cheap", but hurts unless you can make it constructive. It hurts both askers and answerers, because discredited questions get less attention.
And vectorizable.
@Mysticial yes, to factor a 50+ bit number you need a 50+ bit modulus
at least with Pollard-Brent
21:02
because the thing you're trying to factor IS the modulus
I never studied the algorithm, but I was under the (wrong) assumption that there should be no factor larger than 32-bits. So the modulus wouldn't need to be larger than 32 bits.
You have a good point. However I want to keep the focus on durations, otherwise I fear my audience will not see the practical application of the ratio. I've added ratio to the title so that searches for ratio will more easily find this Q/A. — Howard Hinnant 2 mins ago
Hehe. It took me a while to figure out this was more relevant than just to create the elusive microfortnight
@sehe Well, that's much about what I see my nick's telling already. I've noticed such changing phases and need for different mind setups a number of times.
21:07
@πάνταῥεῖ Okay. Enough about this I say! I'm sure we all have moods. I do, certainly. I just noticed it and thought (~week ago) that it was an odd change of character for you, and just wanted to hold it up in case you weren't aware of things. All the better!
So readable...
^ I wonder how accurate is the information is that video.
@orlp Wait, if the number you're trying to factor is the modulus, doesn't that mean it's constant?
@Mysticial Oh like that, yes it's constant while finding one factor
@Mysticial It's not constant between all the different calls
21:08
Maybe lift it to a tempalte argument (if you can afford the bloat).
@orlp So you are going to be doing many modulus over the same number?
@Mysticial Are you hinting at doing a montgomery ladder?
Might be worth it
@sehe It's not compile-time constant
I understand. It wasn't a simple no-work tweak
@Mysticial actually, I'll check how many often I take the mod with the same moduluses
ITT Lounge doing cooperative manual profile guided optimization
21:12
@orlp Either that, or Victor Shoup's multiply-mod. For (a * b mod c). If you precompute metadata for c, it's 6 multiplies/mulmod. If b is also constant and you precompute metadata for that as well, then it's 3 multiplies/mulmod.
No divisions at all, but you'll need conditional moves for off-by-one corrections.
> 1400 Years of Fear - Czech Sub-titles
lol
@Mysticial On average I use the same modulus 2800 times
That's enough.
So probably worth some precomputation
> "How did North Africa go from European, Christian, to being Arab, Muslim"
Wait. When was N-Africa European, Christian. I'm not sure that's an accurate description
21:15
@orlp Your multiply mods are square-mods? Then Montgomery will be faster Shoup's version of multiply-reciprocal.
yes, they're squares
actually
not all
Scrap that, they're all squares
I also had a full multiplication in powmod, but that's not this code
@sehe During the days of the Roman Empire?
I'm not that familiar with that time period but it's my understanding that the Romans at least tried to conquer that area.
Very Christian. Cough. Yes. Maybe that counts
Ell
Ell
I need a new graphics calc
any recommendations?
depends on the time period, I think
the Romans weren't always very Christian but from memory towards the later stages they mass converted to Christianity
21:25
It depends more on what one considers Christian. (Or European for that matter)
yes
all I'm saying is that the later stages of the Roman Empire could be a viable candidate for a time period in which culture in that area could have been Europe-inspired Christianity.
That's not very christian!.. That sounds like arguing bad motherfucker glance
whats not very christian
@Puppy Nothing, that was just a reference to a breaking bad scene
Ell
Ell
I need to start some kind of work diary
I guess a private twitter
21:29
@sehe The crusades? I don't know.
Or, not the crusades.
They didn't go into Africa AFAIAA
@sehe According to one of his slides, there was some crusades related battle somewhere near Egypt.
' i know but at the moment I don't know how to use a debugger :( this is why i asked here'

Has anyone got a virtual pickaxe-handle I can borrow?
@VáclavZeman Wow. That nearly explains the whole picture/claim o.O
@MartinJames Mine is out for cleaning
Ell
Ell
man these calculators are £100
how can they be so expensive
user1804599
21:39
No competition.
Ell
Ell
I guess so
user1804599
They probably cost like five bucks to manufacture.
More like $15-$25, since it's a graphing one. And don't discredit software costs these days. Having the hardware isn't enough
Ell
Ell
Yeah I figured software costs would be a high proportion
Aaaand there's sales & marketing. Because the CASIO/TI/HP domination is heavy
Ell
Ell
21:47
it just seems so ridiculous for it to cost so much
Yup
Bring your laptop
Ell
Ell
if only I was allowed to
Even Americans use seconds and not something like microfortnights.
hilarious answer
@sehe THX again! I'm trying to change my mood a little: stackoverflow.com/questions/27881067/…
user1804599
Привет, камрад!
21:54
yum
k I'm done eating
I need to find something to do
@Mysticial hmm, I didn't realize one thing
I'm not dizzy anymore so I should fix that for starters
I have a beer I think
@Mysticial I'm not just multiplying these numbers
@Mysticial I'm also taking the absolute difference of two numbers, and taking the gcd of two numbers
@Mysticial I'm not sure whether I can do that when they're in montgomery form
@rightføld Ni hao!
user1804599
Да.
22:06
Nou nou. Kort van stof zeg
user1804599
@rightføld She wants the Д
@πάνταῥεῖ o.O :)
I have a very big Д
Everything is relative, mate
22:09
@sehe Any criticism is much appreciated to improve here (I didn't close voted the question yet ;) )
Sooo. I bountied this question
5
Q: C++ template static integer constants: out of class definition

HectorThis question is about the relationship between templates and static integral constants in Visual Studio C++ 2013 with flag /Za. It has implications for the boost library. First, let us check the code without templates: struct easy { static const int a = 5; const int b; easy( int...

@πάνταῥεῖ Well, it's not an answer I'd give. I'd prolly suggest Boost Process in a comment. And you commented a bit... grumpy on the other answer. So I'm torn. But all in all, I'm sure you'll keep things in mind. No need to go and over-compensate. Just - try to not stamp authority on everything in a comment - lest you want to be renowned like a LightnessDrowiningInH₂CO₃
So do you guys know how are these lamps called? youtu.be/-oWg4XM5Fyw?t=18m38s
I want to buy one but I can't figure out their name
Ell
Ell
@CeceXX lava lamp?
Lava lamp?
22:16
Oh thank you guys!
... lover lamb
They are too cool!!!
@CeceXX You should say hot!
@CeceXX In fact, they run quite warm. Which is the primary reason my kids didn't get one
Although they both requested it on their wishlists
How much hot?
22:20
I'd say ~40°C
Oh well. I didn't know. They are nice though
Ell
Ell
it has melted wax on the inside
Lava lamps are cool again?
Oh it'd look cool on my desktop
It's like COBOL making a comeback.
user1804599
22:23
Conjugation is terrible.
@sehe "LightnessDrowiningInH₂CO₃" Interesting analysis. I certainly not want to end up as the new lpapp :-P ... I was always open for learning, since my brain was constructing up into existence. It's my nature. (And yes, that was a drunk overreaction of course)
> "Enough About You Let's Talk About Life For A While"
Yeah!
Enough about @sehe!
@sehe it's nice
@CeceXX yeah
is that really sung live?
it seems too flawless
user1804599
22:31
@sehe My ears.
They have just been audited
Alanis? Sound "flawless"? That's strange.
If any artist specializes in adding raw interpretation artefacts into their singing, it's her, IMO
Ell
Ell
What do I search for more piano music similar to this? youtube.com/watch?v=Bs5QGN-zhwM&list=PL45BFAFA6F4563575
... in a generator?
@sehe You want to know what I think of Alanis Morissette? I think she should cut her hair.
4
Ell
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lol
user1804599
22:36
@StackedCrooked What an egocentric asshole, singing in the train like that.
@StackedCrooked I've never seen her. Consciously
Ell
Ell
@sehe was that for me?
> Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same
And there's doctors and lawyers
And business executives
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same
@Ell of course
Ell
Ell
I'm not sure what you mean o.O
it was composed by Jerry Martin and Marc Russo so I guess I could look their other music vOv I know it's not the height of classic piano but I like it :P
22:38
It sounds like generated "music". I'm pretty confident it is. Or at least the "left hand" side was played independently, then a lot of runs "improvising" the right hand side. And just went with a run that was "pleasing"
> classic
HEHEHEHEHE
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@sehe I'm pretty sure it's not generated o.O
People hear acoustic instruments, and voilà: classical
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@sehe No, that's what I was saying :P
that it isn't classic(al)
@rightføld She was stopped by angry passangers shortly after.
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but really I meant the former (classic)
22:39
@Ell Well, then I demand to have an excuse for coming up with those useless, nowhere going scale figures
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Good.
@Mysticial if I have a^-1 mod M and b^-1 mod M, is it easily possible to compute |a+b|^-1 mod M?
user1804599
Time to make a video game.
guys, is there any version of Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS (or any Linux distribution), which comes with gcc 4.5?
@Ell whatever that is. Something can be "classic instrumentX"? "classic rubbish" maybe
It's pleasing. But it's all made of ticky tacky and it all sounds the same
user1804599
22:41
Fade to Black is a classic.
I can find 4.4.x and 4.6+, but cannot find v4.5 anywhere.
Ell
Ell
maybe it's the nostalgia that makes me enjoy it
just trying to avoid building it manually..
Ugh, outdated compilers...
22:42
I see more and more, it has it's advantages and fun hanging around in the c++ lounge. I should keep this tab open ...
@πάνταῥεῖ You'll regret saying that ;)
soon enough
@Borgleader Certainly ;-P ...
@πάνταῥεῖ Escape while you still can! Here there be dragons.
user1804599
@sehe do you still enjoy your job
22:44
@JerryCoffin wow, she actually did
@StackedCrooked awesome clip. I get the joke now. I had never seen her :)
@rightføld erm. Maybe. Sometimes.
user1804599
fail
Wow you actually had really never seen her.
@StackedCrooked "Ask and you shall receive."
@JerryCoffin Flying right away from my nose, I well know. That's the reason why I've been retaining that much hanging around here in the past so much: UNDEFINED BEHAVIOR.
22:45
@sehe, does this come with any Ubuntu released version? like if I do apt-get install gcc it gets the right version: 4.5.<anything>? I need the minimum version of glibc to work with 4.5.
@StackedCrooked Perhaps on the album sleeves. But I listen to music
@JerryCoffin Damn you.
@StackedCrooked In fact the only reason I own albums is because I was already truly hooked, so it was formality buying them
She was all over MTV and TMF in the 90s. I watched a lot of TV back then.
@sehe cool
@πάνταῥεῖ consciously, this time?
@StackedCrooked I think I never watched a lot of TV. But I definitely watched the most of it in my student years ('96-'98)
@rightføld Meh. Nobody knows the future. I forgive them
Why'd you ask anyways?
user1804599
22:48
Why not?
Good point
Thanks for asking.
How's your job?
user1804599
This guy is so cool.
user1804599
He catches a snake and then eats it.
user1804599
@sehe fun
I catch a train, but I don't eat it.
I catch a cold, but then I miss the train.
22:49
@sehe I'm going to leave it open this time, yes. As I have the newest queue tag open, and newest MSO as well.
@rightføld Sounds like a good deal. Still living @home (I mean, @parents?)
@πάνταῥεῖ hehe. I have this: stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/… (and chat, intermittently)
user1804599
@sehe Yes :<
TROLOLOLOLOL. @StackedCrooked going for YT fame
Come on guys. This needs stars
22:52
@StackedCrooked What? But she's the original source of that statement. youtube.com/watch?v=tA3dzBrXYtc
@sehe Good niche. I'm still working on a bit broader regarding c++. I've gained some more expertise in embedded c++ programming the last years.
@JerryCoffin I saw that movie a long time ago. It was pretty funny.
@πάνταῥεῖ I've narrowed when I actually got really bored with all those questions that you'll recognize as grumpers.
In this niche, far fewer traffic, but a relatively high ratio of interesting subjects. Not necessarily rewarding or answerable questions, but frequently learnables
user1804599
I want to learn how to hunt.
@rightføld What do you want to hunt?
22:57
Hunt animals or people?
user1804599
> Om te mogen jagen moet u aan een aantal voorwaarden voldoen. Zo heeft u een jachtakte nodig. U mag alleen op bepaalde dieren en in een bepaalde periode jagen.
user1804599
pauperland
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Frogs and snakes and rabbits and rats.
Hunting frogs?
user1804599
With bare hands.
22:58
You don't need a license for that.
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Can't buy frog meat at the butcher's so I gotta get it myself. vOv
Is that dutch?
Ja
user1804599
Да. It's from the website of the Dutch government.

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