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11:00
It has no restrictions on what you can pass to it.
[1,2,3].forEach(console.log)
1 0 [ 1, 2, 3 ]
2 1 [ 1, 2, 3 ]
3 2 [ 1, 2, 3 ]
okay right it just work for me
somethings is wrong on your nodejs
v0.10.30
user1804599
This is Chrome not Node.js.
user1804599
@rightføld Right, that passes all arguments to console.log.
[1,2,3].forEach(console.log)
TypeError: 'log' called on an object that does not implement interface Console.

Firefox
user1804599
I hope RxJS subscriptions have some specific prototype so I can implement Disposable for them. :V
user1804599
11:04
Try [1,2,3].forEach(console.log, console). :P
try this:
v = console.log
v(1)
user1804599
> Rx.Subscription class
user1804599
Good.
user1804599
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Same problem.
user1804599
foo.bar(); is different from var x = foo.bar; x(); in JavaScript.
11:06
apparently it needs to be called with the right object as "this"
user1804599
LiveScript has syntax for it; you can say xs.forEach(console~log) and it will bind console as this.
so, my new office is pretty cool
11:31
@rightføld Disposable sucks
@sehe lol
That button doesn't do anything for me. v0v
Unless I keep it down for a while, then it powers off.
Isn't that a problem with emacs users too?
It's a problem merely for causing you to constantly miss it.
Pressing power button doesn't do the same as pressing Esc. That's annoying enough.
It doesn't do anything on my Mac.
Which is not the same as pressing Esc.
But yeah, I guess it's annoying.
For like, 1 week.
11:46
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix huh.
They changed it because they removed the "eject" button, so they could fit the power button in there.
They could have placed it in the same spot of the eject button, jesus.
I thought the Eject button was on the right side of the F row.
Oh, you meant that.
Why are we removing DVDs so quickly, again?
because they have inferior quality and convenience compared to a torrent.
Except if you are without internet.
11:49
He said "we", not "Puppy".
Or you have "old" (2013) software/games that you want to play again.
And you are an average user that doesn't know how to get them otherwise.
I don't know why you think it's quickly, though.
Like, what if I want to play MW2 or GTA5?
I have CDs for them.
if you are going to build a robot, why base the physical being off a human, it is much desirable to build a mechanical octopus with A.I.
the highly widespread use of Steam indicates that the average user is quite capable of downloading MW2 that way.
11:50
Do I have to download GB of games because "ewww DVDs!"?
they are easily lost or damaged, and highly inconvenient to store more than a few
and they just don't store that much data compared to 20GB of MW2.
plus reading them takes forever
Oh yeah, remember that family video from 2008 that we have on DVD? Let's watc.... ow.
and drives take up power and space inside my case
@Puppy Yes, there are better alternatives to DVDs. Yes.
not to mention the proliferation of devices like netbooks or mobile that could never support DVDs
11:52
There are better alternatives to C++, but I don't see it disappearing any time soon.
That's a joke.
Don't take it seriously.
@Jefffrey you migrate to BR, I guess.
Seriously though. You guys are DVDphobic.
DVDs suffer from some very unpleasant downsides, I stopped using them as soon as Steam became a viable service.
BR has been around for a long time. I really don't think 'quickly' is a fair assessment.
I haven't had a DVD drive in 6 years and don't miss it at all.
thank god that I am no longer capable of losing CD-Keys and shit like that.
11:54
Guys why did we replace CDs with DVDs
And floppy disks with CDs
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe it's quickly only for me.
CDs were not completely replaced by DVDs.
cd/dvd/br are quite inferior to a plain fast internet connection
@CatPlusPlus Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Show them cat!
@Puppy Is 20Mb/s plain fast?
P sure BR drives can read both CDs and DVDs
11:56
what's that in actual bytes?
@Puppy or they're not.
like 2MB/s?
Because that's all we got on 90% of Italy.
that's plenty.
we got by without DVDs in the swamp and that was much slower.
Since when do we measure internet speed in bytes per second?
11:57
because everything normal is measured in bytes.
Since we're not telecoms
bits/sec is legacy crap
Anyway BR stores more data in the same amount of space, so there's your reason
greetings fellaz
12:00
Speed test measures in bps.
inb4 it's crap
what it really boils down to is that even 20GB for MW2 is nothing compared to a 1TB hard drive, so you only have to download the game once and then just leave it on your drive
DVDs you have to fuck around finding the thing every time you want to play.
so even if finding the DVD is faster than downloading, it's an O(1) vs O(n) cost.
BPS = bullshit per second, a unit in which one measures the crap your (non-technical) boss sometimes spews at the office
I only use DVDs for long-term backups
As I said, it's not a matter of "does something better than DVD exist?", it's more of my perceived quickness in removing it from the market.
And only because I can't afford a tape drive
12:01
it's been removed from the market quickly because the "better" thing is very easily obtainable.
@Jefffrey DVD was introduced in 1995
it's just "The stuff you already had used in an obvious fashion"
And BR in 2009ish
Plus I'm still p sure BR drives can read both, so really the only limiting factor for adoption is price
It's more like: "oh hey, yeah, your old coin? yeah, that's not worth anything. now only euros are worth something. good luck".
I feel like they didn't give enough time for us to complain about DVDs.
As I said, maybe it's just me.
You had literally 20 years
12:04
@CatPlusPlus The day in which they invented it is irrelevant. hth
So which day is relevant, the day you learned about them?
How dare they not wait another 10 years from that date to adopt a new format!
No, the day in which an alternative was cheap enough to be used, obviously. I'd say when TB became a thing that anybody could afford.
lol
"they" instead of "day"
People stop adopting stuff, it's too expensive for you
(Except it's not)
@sehe Well I have the same config on linux / macos and the boot time of vim on linux is much faster. I usually wait few seconds on osx before it gets responding
12:23
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I didn't consciously register a launch lag on OSX myself. Anyways, I guess I'm not continuously opening/closing vim either
"Saw this book 'Die Java Enterprise Server' and I thought 'My thoughts exactly' until I saw the book was in German." - @olivergierke
11
That's a joke nobody did before
> If you can't tell the difference between a hacktivist group and a foreign intelligence service, you're in the wrong field. If you believe that the ability to differentiate between the two doesn't matter, you're a menace to society.
So far that article has been a very good read
One suited for a group of relative pedants youtube.com/watch?v=e065UxcQIOQ
/cc @Borgleader hell wut
Irony is, seems he needs Asio, not threads.
12:51
bah
VMWare player destroyed my VM when I ran out of disk space
OMFG, 2 dudes assaulted the building of the newspaper "Charlie Hebdo" in Paris this morning. 12 deaths and counting ...
@Puppy Software rocks
@sehe I spent like a day setting that shit up.
Yeah. Not saying it's fun
Use Vagrant to manage VMs (doesn't work with VMware Player though)
Disposable VMs best VMs
13:07
did not have fun with vagrant when I tried it
I like this response:
We do not serve plates as in a restaurant. Bake your own food and we tell you what's wrong about it — Begueradj 2 mins ago
@Puppy should have spent longer
@CatPlusPlus what VMs then?
What VMs what
is Vagrant hosting the guest machines as well as managing the VM? fyi, I've only played with running a VM singularly with vbpx or vmware, not automatic fancy stuff
but you know, learnings
Vagrant is not a hypervisor
It manages images and VM configs on the hypervisor (VBox, VMWare, KVM, etc)
13:19
I take it then that a hypervisor what we call the software that 'runs' the guest vms.
#learning
@Rerito lol "Muslim fighters for freedom came to teach their supporters about the freedom"
so you using vmware?
VBox
Workstation is 230€
13:22
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I already have R# license queued up, won't buy that for a while
I thought vmware had a free guy now... or is that not for what you;re using it for
free vmware is worse than vbox
Player is free, but Vagrant doesn't support it
ah right
iirc there was some draw back to vbox that made me try vmware...
13:23
It's missing some stuff, and some stuff can be unlocked but VMware said that Vagrant really shouldn't
@Abyx That's insane right, in 2015..
@Rerito why? not at all
@BartekBanachewicz vboxsf (the shared folder filesystem) is shit
If Player was supported I'd use it
Aren't we supposed to be civilized ?
@CatPlusPlus is that what lets vbox other one your hosts folders as a network share to a guests?
13:24
It's more direct than a network share
It's just a special filesystem that forwards to the host
oh I see
But then again network shares are faster
Just slightly more difficult to manage
@Rerito they are civilized. but their civilization is different.
Vagrant can share the project directory over CIFS or NFS
But NFS requires Linux and on Windows it can't delete shares when VM is destroyed
If you want to see how slow and shitty vboxsf is, just run git status on a medium-sized project
@Abyx The guys who did this are barbarians. Now of course there were (and apparently there still are) barbarian civilizations
13:27
I've been thinking I might host a windows vm for my friend... he's working on some animation project that's too beastly for his laptop... I think I can run a more powerful guest then his laptop...
but then I have to sort out all that port forwarding stuff so he can access it.
GUI over network doesn't really work that well for any real-time graphics stuff
it's mostly him playing with large images
from what I can gather
then he needs to render the final video too, which again I'm sure I can spare him more horse power
@Rerito barbarians? no, they're fighters for freedom and democracy! You country supported them when they were fighting in Libya and Syria
now enjoy the consequences =)
If it's just final rendering that's too much, he could run an Azure instance to do it or something
They have some really powerful ones that are like <1$/hour
would that work though... he'd have to install his software, copy the project and render... it's not like he can just 'use a remote cpu'... is it?
13:32
Copying could be done transparently with network shares, but yeah he'd have to install the rendering crap
@Abyx The more likely hypothesis is that the gunmen are self radicalized individuals (that may have gone from France to Syria to join the fight against Assad's gvt). We don't know yet so keep your condescending tone to yourself. 12 ppl are dead show some respect
@CatPlusPlus I don't use shared folders that much. I typically clone the repos directly on VMs disk. But then again, your needs are different.
@Rerito pfft what is 12 people? it's nothing comparing to how many people die in different wars daily.
lol, prices in kr
how much is kr4.1349?
13:34
$115/mo for a 4GB/2core machine
@Rerito Hint: stop talking to him
I'd rather pay for electricity directly, TYVM
in unrelated news, my additional steam streaming server is go
They're hourly priced
@CatPlusPlus Already following that advice
@CatPlusPlus so is electricity if you have reasonable power management
13:36
@thechoshman which kr?
How many 112GB RAM machines do you have?
oh, picked up my Sweedish ip :P
9sek ~= 1 eur.
Running cloud instances whole month and using them for one-off tasks is two different stories
@CatPlusPlus bleh, disk space is ~ free
13:37
RAM
Not disk
oooh
yeah, that's fancy :P
how nice. welp fuck you, the one who kicked me.
D14 is 16-core, 112GB RAM, 800GB SSD for 3$/hour
If you have something that can finish under an hour with this kind of thing, then it's basically free
to be fair, he's a tight fisted bugger (well, poor) so unlikely to par for it.
it's not just rendering though, his machine is struggling to even run the software to create the stuff
Working remotely on graphics is really not the best workflow
13:40
I could (reasonably) happily run him a 15gig ram machine
better work flow than not at all
Arguable :v
¬_¬ I 'work' with a remote desktop... I know the pain
@CatPlusPlus you can get those for about 12k PLN, which is more or less $4k. That's two months' of work of D14 instance. +electricity, but still, it depends on desired load.
@CatPlusPlus GPU streaming is a thing though. Having mobile devices as p much screens and video stream decoders is a really nice concept.
Ell
Ell
13:47
Steam in home streaming works :P
Not sure about latency on a mobile connection though
@Ell I've played Borderlands on shitty PCs at my uni via teamviewer and it was bearable
well anyway I imagine it should be more of a GPU stream, and compositing should be done on device
instead of blindly compressing the whole video, if only for the UI
oh hey, anyone running 4k screens? ¬_¬ no puns about stealing stuff please.... oh go on then
Urrgh.... I'm awake. Anyone else up yet? :)
I've been at work for five hours
OH MY GOD PUPPY HAS A NEW AVATAR
13:53
you just noticed
I did just notice.
well you have a new avatar and I have a new shiny desk with two new shiny screens on it and a new shiny workstation to go with it
I just noticed.
@thecoshman I'm thinking about one
@BartekBanachewicz OK, you'll be fine until the sun comes out.
I also have blinds.
13:55
IW nailed it with this menu theme
disagree
perfect for playing while waiting for the match to start
you should see some of the early Demigod menus
@BartekBanachewicz me too, but €€€ that I'm not sure how well linux OSs work at such resolutions
@BartekBanachewicz ergh, matt screens
by shiny I meant shiny new not shiny as shiny

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